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np. Thanks.
 
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02:40
false alarm, but an interesting detection rule
 
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@AdrianMole cc @TylerH @Vega For what it's worth, I have no objections to that being opened after the edits that were made. Arguably, I had insufficient subject-matter expertise to judge whether that was a "make a big list" question, or a "point me to the official docs" question. Tyler's edits have done a fantastic job of making it clearly the latter, which is definitely on-topic here. Thanks for that!
@KarlKnechtel thanks, it was originally designed for a particular spammer who had a very distinctive template which was used with dozens or hundreds of distinct domains etc
@M-- See my message above. Also, please don't refrain from reopening a question just because I (or any other moderator) closed it, as long as you have a good reason. That reason might be that you know way more about the subject than I do, so you are in a better position to understand why what looks superficially like an off-topic question is actually fine, or, even better, you or someone else have submitted an edit that substantially improves the question (which is what happened here).
It's definitely reasonable to second-guess your instincts when you see that they've gone against what a moderator has done, but we're not gods or infallible, so don't use that as an excuse to take no action.
@jps Eh, no, because post flags shouldn't involve assessing the intent of the user. I do wholeheartedly agree with raising a R/A flag on that post, though, because it was just gibberish, and the consensus is that gibberish should be flagged.
 
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Will this roomba if it has a reopen vote? stackoverflow.com/q/74990039/2943403 How should I contact Vishe about their vote to reopen? stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/33547263
the presence of reopen votes don't prevent roomba; but obviously, actually reopening will
and even then, if it goes unanswered after reopening, it will probably eventually roomba because of the downvotes
I don't see why you would contact the user who voted to reopen, but of course, feel free to if you want to
I don't think you should be contacting users about their casting votes....
stackoverflow.com/a/75015224/1841839 <--- does that look chatgpt to you?
@DaImTo The HuggingFace detector scores it at 99.71% fake ... so, yeah.
@AdrianMole sweet a new detector the one i used before seems to be gone.
... and it found plenty of tokens, so the score is going to be 'reliable'.
Do we flag them as low quality? or ..
08:11
@DaImTo Custom mod flag. I generally start the text with "ChatGPT answer", to make it easy for the mods to filter their flags searches.
... rumour has it that some mods are so lazy they only ever read the first three words of the flag text. ;-P
Including the reason(s) why you think it is ChatGPT is also helpful. It can save us some time.
lol @Adrian implying mods read stuff.
@CodyGray I would assume that the fact that the HuggingFace thingy gave it 99.7% would be sufficient reason.
@CodyGray I was being (uncharacteristically) kind. :)
@AdrianMole Right, sure, but it helps to actually mention that in the flag text.
I generally do - just forgot to mention that in the message, here.
I can only nitpick your messages in here, as flags are confidential.
08:24
... the format, "(Probable) ChatGPT answer: HuggingFace gives a score of 99.xx% fake." seems to work, from my experience. It's also worth mentioning other posts from the same user, if you've found some that are also likely AI generated.
I hate to bother the mods they are so busy, and they scare me. You never know what they might do.
How are we scary?!
Aren't they/you supposed to be scary?
... like a math(s) teacher who has the veiled threat of punishment if you don't properly learn your 37-times table.
@CodyGray good question, I think its a me thing, I'm scared of Jon Skeets to if that helps.
@AdrianMole YEAH exactly
man i just had a flas of Cody standing at the head of the class with a stick in his hand.
Haha, I did used to be a teacher. No sticks, though. Words are so much more powerful. ;-)
08:34
@CodyGray yeah I had one of those teachers to.
The threat of a stick is far more powerful than the stick itself.
There was some people, years ago, in a lab downstairs from me, who wanted to measure stress responses in the brain (PET scanning). Hurting people wasn't enough to stress them out, so they set up a system where they were told that, once a buzzer had sounded, they may or may not get an electric shock. That worked.
@AdrianMole unfortunately it never worked on my sister.
@DaImTo You probably needed a higher voltage. :)
That's a different kind of stress
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Q: What's the sense of [sql-and] and [sql-or] when we have [logical-and] and [logical-or]?

DominiqueWhile browsing the newly created tags, I bumped into sql-and and sql-or. There are just a few questions about those tags (two and three) and I don't see the need of having those tags, as we already have logical-and and logical-or, hence this question for a synonym-request. Edit: seen the comment ...

 
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10:29
@CodyGray Mods are scary because they enforce the rules, often while punning mercilessly.
Mods may be scary, but that doesn't stop some from lashing out at them.
Mods are not scary
@StephenOstermiller Did you accidentally type "scary", when you meant "sexy"?
Scares are not mody.
@CodyGray I guess maybe I meant "deluded"
10:35
That doesn't even start with the right letter.
Will following a question with a bounty alert me when the bounty and grace period are over and I can finally close the question?
The only thing I know for sure that following accomplishes is filling your inbox with noise.
Crazy idea: all new users see a diamond next to the name of a user with at least one curation badge (Reviewer, Steward, Deputy, Strunk & White,...)
The purpose of this would be to ensure correctness when they refer to the people who close their question(s) as "moderators"?
It always bothers me, too, but it seems that giving in to it is not the correct approach.
It would be so that new users learn to respect the curators who edit/close their questions.
10:38
Oh, right, of course. Silly me. I forget how much new users to the site respect moderators and everything we tell them.
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@CodyGray I felt it was a bad review -- a teachable moment.
Good point. Maybe we just need more comment filters.
@mickmackusa Perhaps should be a moderator flag, then, if the user made a bad review and should be contacted about it.
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I have questions regarding flag handling: when a post gets mod flagged for plagiarism, will the offending user get a message from the moderator that plagiarism is not ok? And if it's the second case of plagiarism, will the moderator who handles the flag see directly that there was another plagiarism case before?
10:50
Moderators see everything, if they look.
@jps Generally, yes. If a mod investigates a plagiarism flag and confirms that the post is plagiarism, the minimum that would happen is that the post would be deleted and a comment left pointing out the plagiarism. The mod should follow up by sending them a warning message about plagiarism, but it's possible that step is omitted or forgotten.
The mod should also follow up, preferably before sending the message, by checking all of that user's other answers for plagiarism. (This is why plagiarism flags take forever to handle...) If they find any others, they should handle them all, and then write the message accordingly. (Egregious cases might even result in a suspension being handed out, instead of a mere warning, and all of their answers being deleted.)
If it's a second case, and you know that it's a second case, then it never hurts to mention that in the flag, because it's possible that a moderator in a hurry misses that information.
There are various ways that they can see that information, depending on how the last case of plagiarism was handled, including looking at the list of flags on a post and looking at the annotations on an account, but it's possible that those things might be missing, depending on how the previous flag was handled, and it's possible that those things are missed.
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@CodyGray thanks. I ask this because yesterday I flagged an answer of a new user for plagiarism. The stupid kind of plagiarism, just copy a code snippet from a good answer. At that point, it was the user's only answer and the flag was handled within short time.
Later I checked the profile again and the new user had posted another plagiarized answer after the first one was handled. This time copied from somewhere on the internet without attribution. Again the flag was handled within hours, this time a different mod. Today I found a third answer, again posted after the second onr was handled, again plagiarism. I just want to figure out if the user is just naive, clueless what's going on, or very stubborn and ignores all warnings.
11:08
@jps Every mod wants to figure that out. We never know. :-)
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In the first case I left a comment about the plagiarism, so they can't be totally clueless. I'll flag now the third case and mention the older cases. But actually I don't really want to dive into that area of moderation.
So, yeah... The user you flagged was not contacted, by either mod, either in response to the first flag or the second flag. Likely the mod who handled the first answer thought it was a first offense, deleted it, and moved on, hoping that the deletion would be enough "notice". And then, likely, the second mod failed to realize that this had already happened before, so simply deleted the second post.
It really helps if you dump as much information/context as you have available to you into the custom mod flags. You aren't taking any action, so you shouldn't be concerned that that veers too close to moderating users. And it really helps mods make the right decision.
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@CodyGray thanks again. At least in the first case, there was my comment, so maybe the mod thought it was sufficient. I now raised the third flag with a note about it being the third time. But you might have seen it already.
I see it was handled already, same mod as in the second case.
And the user got 7 days suspension for plagiarism
The English language is odd, indeed. Asking, "Why can't we have 3-day weekends?" sounds perfectly reasonable (grammatically speaking). However, "Why cannot we have 3-day weekends?" just sounds awkward, if not wrong.
(Not totally out of the blue, that wee rant - just came across this question as a dupe target to a Q I answered.)
I guess, "Why can we not ..." should be the edit?
11:35
Yes, "Why can we not..." would be correct.
The contraction subverts the rule, pretending it's a single word, so it works grammatically like "can", not "cannot".
Hmm. Grammatical subversion - the worst kind of sub'n.
Maybe English would be better if we just dropped contractions altogether?
Now, where was that Meta.SE post that claimed one of the moderators' duties was correcting grammatical errors? ...
@AdrianMole Honestly, that sounds like way more fun than dealing with plagiarism and deleting ChatGPT-generated drivel.
... hmm, it was a job advert. :o:
At least ChatGPT generates decent grammar (mostly). That's actually one of the "tell-tale" signs.
12:38
A mod may want to remove and add the tag to the announcement to Chat GPT since it should be removed today by the community bot
Good note, @Ethan.
How time flies; a month since that stuff was banned, already.
yea already a month
and we are going to say this again in another mmonth
For what it's worth, it would be reasonable to raise a mod flag on Meta as a way of bringing that to someone's attention. The flag volume on Meta is relatively low, so it'll likely be seen, and it wouldn't be overly burdensome. (Of course, posting it in here also fine, since there are tons of mods lurking.)
forgot about flags
12:46
I came to see if Jeanne posted some easy deletion requests and all are handled by Cody
You're just too slow to delete, Mr Deleter. :)
Should we burninate the tag? Discuss
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Hmm. There's a pun there, somewhere, about a "Burninate shipping fractal."
I just have to find them before Jeanne does
Set up a bot to ping you every time they post a request
speak of the devil
12:51
Why bother with a bot? Just wire directly into the brain. It's much simpler.
@CodyGray to make?
I would need to disagree
@Dharman They are, unfortunately, not hard to find. I could post such requests all day.
Sounds fun! :-D
Is Roomba broken again?
12:59
It may have had a positive score for a while, and a score of 0 is also still not enough for Roomba to delete a duplicate (unlike questions closed for other reasons)
@mickmackusa according to my roomba forecaster it still has one day to go before it qualifies. it didn't get down voted until today so it didn't qualify before
I wonder why we need to delete it, when it's been marked as a duplicate?
@mickmackusa "Roomba 1 day (weekly)" on my side too
Does this need details or clarity or is it fine? It's somewhat unclear to me, at least it doesn't look useful.
@JeanneDark Seems more like a typo.
13:03
clearly useful to OP only...
thanks
@Cristik What do you mean? It's clearly useful to someone who is trying to check and see if they have hypothermia. Obviously, when you're in a state where you are concerned you may have hypothermia, you are going to want to execute that Python code, enter your temperature, and see what it means.
Does python 'allow' stuff like if 10 < x < 20?
@CodyGray hypothermia is a thing of the past due to the global warming
@AdrianMole Apparently: "unlike C, expressions like a < b < c have the interpretation that is conventional in mathematics"
13:06
@Cristik tell that to the people of Buffalo NY
@CodyGray Which seems to contradict this answer, then.
@NathanOliver pffff, currently +3°C, is that supposed to impress anyone?
weather.com thinks -7°C is "bitterly cold" C-:
Is that better or worse than "umami cold"?
13:11
depends on your mood?
they don't seem to have anything worse than that, Arkhangelsk has -22° and that's still "bitterly cold" which I think I can agree with
@tripleee The Friday before Christmas it was -23C with wind chills of -40C where I live by Chicago
The Friday Before Christmas sounds like a movie I haven't seen yet.
'Twas the Friday before Christmas and, all through the house, nothing was moving, not even a fried mouse.
@CodyGray It's the long awaited sequal to friday after next
13:18
The Friday the 13th Before Christmas
We have a Friday the 13th coming up in just over a week.
What day will that be on?
A week next Saturday?
@CodyGray Depends what UTC offset you're in. If you live in Texas, that's Saturday in UTC +12
13:46
@SotiriosDelimanolis gotta love a good Java enum.
Is it reasonable to close this as a duplicate of the OP's earlier question? The problem is the exact same thing(s); they've just changed the name of their print_binary function a wee bit.
@AdrianMole those look like different problems to me
The root cause of the problem is the same. UB in the bit-shift.
(And the answer to the earlier Q would work equally well as an answer to the latter, with only very minor, cosmetic changes.)
@dur should this one still be closed?
14:49
@DaImTo Sorry to bother, but I just wanted to pass a long a suggestion with regards to your comment here, "There is a 99.59% chance that this answer was generated by ChatGPT." since you were discussing it here.
The paper about the model notes that it was trained with 50% AI generated content and 50% human content. That means that the model expects the prior probability to be 50/50. On SO, human content is much more common, so the probability put out by the model isn't directly a probability of AI content. Thus, in my opinion, the detector should be used with caution and as supporting evidence.
I love it, I get a comment on a 4.5 year old answer saying it doesn't really answer the OP while my answer has the green checkmark with a comment from the OP that they wouldn't have even asked the Q if they had know about the component I used in my answer
@NathanOliver Can't even delete your answer to stop the comment deluge. Drats.
It should be okay, just made me scratch my head until I realized I posted a "frame shift" answer and the person that commented probably want an answer to the literal question, not the actual problem the OP had.
 
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With the edit I made, could it be considered a request for official resources?
It's not really asking about Visual Studio Code. It's about opening remote files locally. They just happen to be using a VS Code extension to try and do it.
In fact I'm not sure they're even trying to use the vs code extension to open the HTML files locally... I think that's a totally separate request
Well, I removed the sentence asking for an extension. That's on me.
both the answers are basically wrong though in that they don't answer the question
regardless of the state of the question
I'll agree with that. But the question seems potentially on-topic. How do I preview a remote html file in VS Code?
I'm not too worried about it though. I don't think the site will have lost much if/when that question is Roomba-ed.
17:02
@IanCampbell That's fine. I know enough about this topic to know that the answer itself was not related to the question asked. They responded with a same for a completely different api.
Just to be clear, I totally agree that instance was AI generated, just a word of caution about trusting the detector.
 
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19:35
Wow, they could at least have kept the cell phone images from being so blurry. Did they get instructions from rene? Kinda rude.
sheesh
 
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What has smokey done?
:-)
Huzzah, the double backtick issue is allegedly fixed: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/421118/…
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22:43
is it ok if I ask here for reviewing/editing a question of mine, so it won't get closed? or that would be considered self-promoting or possibly being against SOCVR rules?
@M-- AFAIK it's okay to ask for help improving your own post, we just don't allow cv-pls/reopen-pls on your own posts
@M-- Well... let's say it like this: no harm has been done (yet), and we all can see your profile.
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@Turing85 yeah, but @NathanOliver says it's ok, let me get help :)
@M-- I am not against help. I am just saying that we all can see you.
Just remember that the scornful gaze of SOCVR, much like Meta, is often accompanied by brisk and uncontrolled downvotes. =P
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22:51
@IanCampbell I don't mind the downvotes, if I can get an answer.
Hehe, I like that attitude.
i mean
like
if you share a question with people who are more likely to use their tools
it's more likely your question will be closed, or downvoted, if it should be, and if your goal is to avoid that...
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come on guys, it's not that bad, I put some effort into asking that question, it may lack the right lingo considering I am a noob, but ... :)))
stop threatening my question, lol
@M-- how the turn tables :)
My experience is that some users react negatively to statements like "I'm a newbie in javascript".
22:57
the question seems fine, but i'd like it to have forced an error or something
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@IanCampbell right, that's especially the case when the question starts with that statement. I brought it up later on so hopefully less hate :D
23:29
@M-- Well, you managed to not get any downvotes or close votes, so I'd say you did well. Just wait until you can start a bounty. You'll attract some ChatGPT answers, and hopefully an actual answer.

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