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12:24 AM
 
@Dharman Given how many tutorials there are out in the wild from the PHP 4 days, I wouldn't be at all surprised that its corpus is tainted with a lot of bad code.
 
 
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6:20 AM
nvm, will roomba
 
6:31 AM
@Dharman You call 2020 outdated? Clearly you don't work with Java :D
 
 
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10:30 AM
This question looks somewhat strange. Could it be from ChatGPT?
 
@JeanneDark Maybe? But IMO AI generated questions should be pretty much all closeable. I've not invested time in trying to hunt some down.
Well, closable on SO. Other stacks might have more of an issue.
My guess: it's not ChatGPT generated. Unless it can very accurately simulate the usual garbage questions we get. It seems to prefer to generate more polished garbage than that. Well, unless the user edited the output.
Wait...the beginning two sentences are plagiarised?! windowsreport.com/permission-denied-error-code-3
 
@VLAZ This was also incorporated.
 
OK, just baffling garbage, then.
 
10:50 AM
@JeanneDark so not chatGPT then.. Dont think AI has learnt to plagiarise
 
@SurajRao that's the essence of what chatGPT does, but of course, it is more advanced than simple copy/paste
 
stackoverflow.com/a/74715502/4826457 anyone more familiar with C# can tell me if this is NAA?
@tripleee yeah ctrl c + ctrl v atleast it does not do
 
11:30 AM
Is this and the connected question on-topic? stackoverflow.com/q/74709899/1839439
 
@Dharman the older question - IMO, yes. Dealing with API keys for Google is something we'd had to do at work. And it's pretty much exclusively dev work. (aside from a weird corporate policy, where we had to request the API key through accounting, so they own it, technically, we don't...)
The newer question seems just like a dupe.
 
11:59 AM
Is this a case where Natty "got it wrong"? It's not a brilliant answer but looks like an attempt, to me.
 
@AdrianMole yes, but the answer needs to be edited
 
@AdrianMole Looks like an answer. See this for why Natty thought otherwise.
 
@Dharman I gave the "Needs editing" feedback to Natty. :) (And Natty then pinged its keepers in SOBotics.)
 
12:43 PM
 
12:56 PM
Morning
 
1:22 PM
^ Uh, what?
How to even flag that? My hunch is it's flaggable. Also technically plagiarism. But also complete trash.
 
I flagged as spam.. Smells like a troll or a bot
 
1:53 PM
@VLAZ Quite possibly filler bolted in to meet character requirements
 
So, is there a particular 'system' we should do when we suspect answers of being ChatGPT (or similar) generated? Raising a post in here for others' input is likely sailing close to the "moderating a user", as the implication is that we've seen other suspicious posts by the same account.
 
I don't understand tag spam. I just saw a Q with I want to make game in python as the title and it was also tagged with C and C++ sigh
 
Maybe they wanted to rewrite Python itself, to make the game better?
 
@NathanOliver For some reason I saw more of these recently. Tagged C, Python, Java, JavaScript, C# for example.
@AdrianMole Raise a modflag. Explain why you think it might be generated. Also, fee free to request access to the private room where you can discuss users more directly.
 
I think it just happens from bad tag recommendations but not sure.
 
2:01 PM
They want more people to see their question or don't have a clue which suitable tags to add or their question is too broad ("please write my code for me, programming language doesn't matter").
 
@NathanOliver I've seen users over the years claim that they were "required by the system" to add 5 flags. That's after they were quizzed on why the irrelevant tags. This doesn't really make sense. But later on it hit me that the system recommends "up to 5 tags" which some users probably misinterpret as "you need 5 tags".
But also some do deliberately tag spam just for exposure as Jeanne said. I've also seen multiple users directly state that "maybe somebody who knows X can answer my Y language question".
 
@VLAZ I think that is a big factor, especially if English is not a native language.
 
And defended their choice that it's better to have more people see it. And maybe some Java developer also knows C.
Also, others did say something to the effect of "My question isn't C related anyway and anybody who knows programming can answer". E.g., something like how to write a loop or such.
 
those are people that don't know about the tag.
 
Is this by now spam? OP dumped this link now for the third time within 15 mins, but there's no clear affiliation
 
2:09 PM
@NathanOliver Maybe they don't. But many aren't even language agnostic. How to do a loop in C and Java is going to be mostly the same. But not across all languages. And even then in C and Java you can have differences while(foo = nextValue()) is valid loop in C. Let's assume nextValue() returns numbers or something. In Java you cannot use non-boolean for a condition. The equivalent will be do { foo = newValue(); } while (foo != 0)
 
@Adriaan I don't think it's spam, certainly not when looked at in isolation. If the user is posting that same answer all over the place then I think a mod flag would be appropriate.
 
@NathanOliver already done (and dusted)
 
Swedes are nice people. They don't spam. A bit stackoverflow-ignorant maybe.
 
Yeah, just checked. I don't think it's spam, according to SE interpretation. That doesn't mean not that the repeat posting is good or anything, just doesn't seem like promotion.
 
2:42 PM
@GertArnold have I got news for you ... metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/domains/tags/2302
not a lot by any stretch, but definitely one of the languages we see in spam occasionally
 
3:00 PM
I found some rude posts in Finnish and some random garbage in Estonian, but no spam by quick check in either of those two
 
@tripleee So your spam check is Finnished?
 
(naïve regex search for "ää" so really quick check)
 
@tripleee That must be foreigners using VPN. Or maybe there's something with my Swedish people sample size...?
 
I wouldn't know how to check for Arapaho or Ndonga but pretty sure we don't have those either
@GertArnold I know where you can find more (-:
one of the really early email spammers was Swedish, he had a network of sites with constellation names, like IIRC deneb.net, halcyon.net etc (dang, can't remember exactly enough to find anything in Google)
 
3:14 PM
@tripleee Oh yeah, they're innovative too. Wonderful people.
 
A quick search for "Swedish spam" yields this. :)
 
I couldn't find any Swedish spam but I did find plenty of meatballs
 
I was trying for a smörgåsbord joke/pun but failed utterly.
 
Today on world languages with Adrian Mole, I learned smörgåsbord comes from Swedish.
 
Yes. One of two words that the Swedes have proudly exported to the English. The other being ombudsman.
... although I guess we should also include ångström.
 
4:26 PM
I mean, that's a really good word. I use it almost every day. How tall are you Ian? Oh, you know, 1830000000000 ångströms or so.
 
@jps this should be flagged as R/A instead
 
Indeed. A key give away is the "please dislike" comment at the end.
 
"ban speed run" ..interesting...
 
jps
of course, you're right
 
4:33 PM
By calling attention to the troll behavior you're potentially giving them exactly what they want.
 
I thought SE had blocked off Tor out nodes.
 
No they have not. In fact, one of our friendly elected moderators on Crypto connects exclusively from Torr. See also Can SE block actions from Tor exit nodes?
 
There was definitely a post on Meta.SE saying they had (at least, temporarily) done so, when the DDOS attacks were at their peak.
 
jps
@IanCampbell I'm not feeding the troll by interacting with them (other than flagging, which is necessary)
 
keep in mind that chat rooms are generally public; some trolls like to monitor what's being said
 
4:48 PM
There were a couple of times trolls have done exactly that to this room
 
jps
@NathanOliver feel free to delete my last messages. Sorry, I didn't want to cause trouble.
 
@jps the one with the link?
 
jps
yep, that's the one we talk about
 
5:58 PM
Over the past few months I've noticed that it's not uncommon for Stack Overflow pages (and other actions) to take 3-4 seconds to load. Usually it's fine, but slight delays occur frequently enough. Anyone else noticed this? Maybe there's a Meta post somewhere? I looked around but didn't see anything, and I'm not 100% sure it's not on my end
I know there were DDOS issues a while ago, don't know if that's still a problem they're facing
 
I don't think that's true. It takes more than a couple seconds. Sometimes it results in an error page. I wish pages would always open in less than 5 seconds.
 
6:14 PM
@CertainPerformance There are definitely momentary blips on SE. Some times you might get an error page or not depending on when you start opening a page. Let's say the network is unavailable for 30 seconds, if you open it in the first 10 it might time out and give you an error page. But if you open it in the last 10 seconds, it just takes longer but loads.
So, it's not just you.
And you probably won't see reports, because the "outages" are so small. People will mention it in chat but the site is usually back within a minute.
 
6:34 PM
@CertainPerformance I suspect it's due to their DDOS protection system
ever since that went live, the site has really sucked, performance-wise
 
7:03 PM
 
7:58 PM
Anyone else experiencing "We are off for maintenance" every few minutes?
 
yes
 
Yes. The ChatGPT Gods are angry
 
good thing we have a stackstatus to tell us what's goin on
 
@KevinB Am I blind or you are just being sarcastic? I cannot see anything there.
 
Pretty sure that was a joke
at lest it had me laughing
 
8:02 PM
"Stack Overflow problems can be resolved by rebooting the affected systems. I hope that helps you solve your problem" - ChatGPT
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I am laughing too, but I literally don't see that good now due to a headache.
 
Ah. Pretty sure there isn't anything on stackstatus
 
stackstatus is a joke because it always says SO is online
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In all fairness, most status pages have two indicators: "Everything is fine" and "We've called the fire dept"
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true
Well, at least you can read about regular maintenance there. I bumped into those few times, so it does serve some smallish purpose.
 
8:06 PM
well
if they post it there
 
I was lucky I guess :)
 
8:22 PM
ripoverflow
 
 
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9:45 PM
Hey mods, is it weird that you cannot instantly redact an unedited post? You actually have to edit it, then redact the previous version (and get approval from another mod). Is this just another clunky mod tool experience?
 
@mickmackusa What would you expect it to do? Delete the post entirely everywhere?
 
@IanCampbell be able to redact the unwanted portion of the post without having to do a separate edit-then-redact_edit
well, considering that another mod has to approve the redaction, I guess the preliminary edit does serve to superficially remove the offending text from the public eye; then the edit history can be cleaned up in due course.
 
10:02 PM
Yeah, I think that most cases are going to have already been edited by a user before you are flagged. So the development effort is too high for the pay off.
 
why dont' users just not post stuff that shouldn't be public
 
I don't wait for flags before I take action. Proactive curation. I'm trying to figure out how to craft a reasonable SEDE query to sniff out emails and phone numbers (in my tiny corner of SE). I didn't trial PATINDEX yet, but I am under the assumption that regex cannot be used.
select q.Id AS [Post Link], a.body, a.CreationDate
from Posts q
inner join Posts a on a.ParentId = q.Id
inner join posttags pt on pt.postid = q.id
inner join tags t on pt.tagid = t.id
where a.Body LIKE '%@%'
and a.Body NOT LIKE '% @%'
 
10:18 PM
 
@mickmackusa I'd be interested to hear how many true positives that need to be redacted you find on Joomla
 
@mickmackusa no no, you can definitely use a regex
it just has to be 10,000 lines long
although for the purposes of "help a human process", just a few lines is probably good enough
look for anything matching ###.###.####, +##.###.###.####, or +#.###.###.#### and you'll probably catch 80% or more of all posts with very very few false positives for phone numbers (repeat the same matches for when users use dashes instead of periods, plus ones where there are no separators, too)
or whatever the main formats are
same for *@*.* will catch mostly true positives for email
 
@Dharman is the DharmanBot code public somewhere?
 
11:01 PM
@blackgreen maybe
 
I already looked through your github FWIW
 
ohh no
Is there anything you are looking for in particular?
 
inspiration
 
Good stuff there. I already borrowed the magic button script.
 
DharmanBot looks like its doing stuff that I would like to replicate
in particular, I'm interested in how it fetches the list of posts to analyze
 
11:03 PM
Can we move this convo to Sobotics?
 
Yeah, but maybe tomorrow, I was just about to log off
I'll ping you there in 10-12 hours
 
ok
 
thanks
 
@blackgreen Also interested in this. FYI, I had a brief look at Boson and it might be able to save up on some of the work. It can fetch comments, answers, or questions and dump them somewhere. At least from the docs I saw - so maybe you can make something that processes that output and save up setting up your own feed to the API. github.com/SOBotics/Boson/tree/master/docs
 
@IanCampbell I am having very low accuracy with that posted SEDE query. Fortunately, JSE isn't a community with a high volume of content. What is DO like is the "Perform this automatic redaction" feature, when purging the same redaction on earlier post versions.
@TylerH can you show me an example WHERE condition? You don't actually use hash symbols, right? What is the MSSQL keyword? Is it PATINDEX?
 
11:19 PM
@mickmackusa But why do it if no one complains?
 
@Dharman Why pre-emptively make Stack Exchange better? Let's assume that I am complaining to myself, then taking action. It's also a good chance for me to exercise mod feature usage.
 
@mickmackusa I thought you were redacting email addresses. How does this make the site better?
Redaction should only be used when users accidentally post PII and they ask us to remove it.
 
@Dharman I think so. I am redacting email addresses. It theoretically prevents my beloved users from receiving spam.
 
This one has come up before on the Moderator Teams. I'm happy to superping you both a link if you want.
 
I'd think that most of these emails are fakes. Either generated by faker or just made up email addresses
 
11:33 PM
@Dharman On JSE, I found 2 legitimate offers off support outside of SE: 1 and 2. My redactions are pending approval from our only other mod.
@IanCampbell Thanks. I'm interested, but I need to stop engaging with SO for now. Got worky work to do.
 

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