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03:57
Is this a new low in posting images of code? stackoverflow.com/a/73697588/9473764
04:14
@Nick At least it isn't a photo of a dirty screen with OP's reflection.
 
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06:46
search for screenshot (of the day) here in the chat and enjoy the results ;)
@jps nice! the angle of the shot just makes it that much harder to read the code :)
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and even that one was not the worst, they always find a way to make it worse
@jps I liked your one from the 7th...
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the Korean one? A real beauty!
07:22
Is anyone a SME in ? Because I just encountered all these very specific tags mysql-error-* and I'm not sure if we need them at all.
@Lino I have a gold badge, does that count? ;)
@Nick That does count, yes ;) AFAICT there are multitudes of sql errors, do we need a tag for each one?
@Lino Not really. Generally if you search (on google etc.) for MySQL error 1064 (or whichever) you get the appropriate results anyway, without ever needing to search in a particular tag on SO.
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the situation is similar for Oracle (ORA-xxx) and probably other db-systems too.
Darn, you're right...
There seems to be a limitation with the wildcard search though. for mysql-error-* and for ora-* I always only get 20 tags.
07:33
@Lino It'd be interesting to know if anyone has a tag badge in any of those...
Ironically it seems the highest rated Q&A for mysql-error-1064 isn't even related to that error...
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07:49
@mickmackusa You don't think that answer is worth keeping?
@Nick I don't think the question should have received any answers. I can't see myself using that page to close anything else because the mcve is just too blurry/incomplete.
@mickmackusa yeah but it did... I'm not saying it should be a dupe target, just that there's enough detail in the answer that it might well appear on a google search
@Nick So, nuke them all? synonymize them? Merge them? What should I do here?
@Nick perhaps this is a suitable dupe for that low-focus question. stackoverflow.com/q/3053580/2943403
@Lino You can't synonymise them as they do refer to different things. You could certainly argue a case to burninate them all but there's a lot of questions to clean up
08:03
@Nick and what about merging them into their respective db-tag? That would not yield a lot of cleanup AFAICS
@Lino that could be done. I'd be interested to see what the feedback on meta was...
@mickmackusa but it's already closed...
@mickmackusa I would not want to delete a question with a high quality answer just because the question is unclear.
08:25
@StephenOstermiller but how do you know if the answer is actually correct when the question requirements are poorly defined? I think all of us here have seen bad content upvoted -- so let's not be swayed by upvotes either.
@mickmackusa It looks like the answer is useful to people searching for similar questions, even if it may or may not answer the OP
@mickmackusa "not enough focus" is a close reason, not a delete reason, you need to give us better reasoning if you want us to delete a page with valuable content
@StephenOstermiller Yeah, question has >13000 views...
09:11
Is this camera calibration question about programming?
Feel this request got lost in the sea of comments - chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/55215126#55215126
@user692942 you might want to review FAQ #13
@Adriaan Doesn't seem programming related imo.
@Adriaan I'm not pressuring anyone it's just difficult to see requests when a sea of comments are left and not moved to the graveyard.
@user692942 IIRC there are userscripts that allow people to filter for (open) requests. In your case it may also take longer because duplicate closure may require some subject matter expertise, in contrast to, for example, a debugging question with code behind a link to some repo.
 
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@Adriaan Seems very possible. But I'm also not certain enough to flag it.
The user does have a website in their profile with the same domain name as their username. It could be a way to promote it. But again, I'm not sure.
Interesting. The user also has another very off-topic question about iPhones, as well as a plagiarised answer.
@StephenOstermiller my opinion is that the upvoted answer is "incorrect" because it does not satisfy the vague requirements dump in the question. Because of this, I utterly disregard the upvote tally as unearned/misleading.
@Cristik I meantioned "not enough focus" because the current close reason is no longer in use. I meant to fortify that the question definitely should not be reopened.
@Nick The view count may be largely a result of an attractive title -- not the actual content quality. For a page with >13000 views, I'd think a "good answer" would have a helluva lot more upvotes.
For example, this answer is 100% incorrect, but has received upvotes over the years. We enlightened few curators must differentiate between in/correct content for the betterment of the site instead of blindly following the collective ignorance of the crowd. Otherwise the snowball grows and researchers will mistakenly assume quality because of the ballooning score.
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@mickmackusa 10 is a pretty good score for that view count. I've seen questions with more views and only down-voted answers.
12:58
@mickmackusa wow, that's really an incorrect answer, especially since the OP clearly stated that array_count_values() didn't do the job for them. But for the question in discussion, the top-voted answer looks correct, and it helped a few people, so we might loose valuable content if we delete the question
FWIW, I've found explaining why it's not correct, rather than simply ranting that it's not correct, is more effective in the long run
13:18
Sounds like ESL... But not sure if its a comment or answer
@SurajRao No, it's an answer, but just wrong...
hmm.. What are they trying to say?
I'm having a hard time parsing that as well.
@SurajRao it's not really clear but I think an NAA flag would likely be declined
perhaps VLQ :) :) :)
One might consider it an attempt at answering a question and so I wouldn't flag it as NAA, rather post a del-pls request in here once it's eligible.
@Nick If an NAA flag is declined, a VLQ flag will also be declined (unless someone edits it in the meantime).
13:23
@JeanneDark ooh... strange... it seems to be eligible now...
@JeanneDark yeah, that was the point of the :), it was a joke
as is the VLQ flag in general...
13:46
> TL;DR THIS IS NOT AN ANSWER, JUST A SIMILAR SITUATION
Um... Thanks for making it easier to flag, I guess?
(IMO of course)
Preface: this is not a request for moderation (I'm involved), it's mostly a curiosity. I don't understand how this answer to a 2 year old question got 3 downvotes less than 10 minutes after being posted.
@IanCampbell It's... not an answer
Yeah, obviously, but how did the users find it?
@IanCampbell It was recently active, so it showed up on the front page, I suppose
Or in NATO
Heh, ninja'd by miken32
15:15
Yeah, I guess the front page, good point. Thanks.
It generated a review item (First Answers) but it was invalidated. So, I guess nobody looked at the review. It must have been people finding it based on activity.
in SOBotics, 23 mins ago, by Natty
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@Dharman I'm a goofball. Thanks.
The answer is always robots.
15:21
I was looking around for an SD report, but I should have checked SOBotics.
Well, I delete voted it and didn't flag. That 8th one wouldn't help. =P
It'd help artificially inflate your helpful flag number. :)
Since the only thing that's good for is running for moderator, not interested =P
15:43
Regardless of the question quality, am I right to be suspicious about a question with 30 views and 5 upvotes? Was about to mod flag it, but not sure if that's enough to warrant it.
How old?
6 days
Just seems fishy
Unless it has an extremely niche tag, I'd say smelly.
@miken32 It must be the best question ever written. The views to upvotes ratio is, quite literally, unbelievable. That or there is indeed fish smell all over.
15:49
@miken32 Also, from the timeline, you can see what days the upvotes came in. If all 5 are on the same day? More fish.
@IanCampbell 4 on the same day. 1 more almost a week later. The first four are also not in rapid succession - there is between 30 minutes and two hours between them. The question asker did have 1 rep, so it might just be votes out of sympathy.
@IanCampbell That's a good point – 4 upvotes on the day it was posted. I guess I should trust my instincts! That would likely be 4 upvotes on 10-20 views which is even more unbelievable than 5 on 30.
16:09
> I am also having the same problem,can anyone sort me out! Thanks
17:00
@StephenOstermiller @Machavity Please bin this request, the question was edited to remove the text screenshots
> I really don't know how to explain this
17:18
@GeneralGrievance oof, sharepoint 2010
18:17
@Juraj That doesn't look like a debugging problem to me, so it doesn't necessarily need code. There may be other problems with it though. I'm not sure if it is a programming question at all.
@StephenOstermiller it is about emulating an USB keyboard with Arduino. the library got internalization recently github.com/arduino-libraries/Keyboard/tree/master/src
19:46
@miken32 Is this suspicious then?
@mickmackusa mildly
It's highly unusual/unlikely that a question that only got ~45 views, especially on such a high-traffic tag, had such a significant number of those views come from users who have upvote privileges
@VLAZ OK, I finally have to ask, how do you know the time of the votes? I thought it was in the Votes table of Data.SE, but that's only got the date.
The high reputation of the answerer might account for the upvotes (users recognized quality) but doesn't counter the surprising point above (that a significant number of the lower total amt of viewers were 125+ rep users)
it could just be an indication of a high rep user who has been committing fraud (note -- I'm not suggesting that's what this is, just that it's a possibility)
@IanCampbell in the timeline of the post you can select 'toggle vote summaries' and it will include date information for score changes of the post
Back in the day (e.g. pre ~2017/2018 or so) you could also see time information which was super useful but that was removed when they redid the UI
@TylerH It doesn't tell you the time though "there is between 30 minutes and two hours between them"
@IanCampbell Ah I didn't notice that part of VLAZ' message
You can go to the author's profile and look at their reputation page to see when they received the upvotes
19:56
Right, thanks.
For ex: stackoverflow.com/users/157882/balusc?tab=reputation the current top result for this user has 3 votes on a single answer; you can expand and hover to see down to the second when they occurred
That's going to be a pain to find in this case. (So much so that I don't care =P)
Don't volunteer for moderator then :-P They enjoy that kind of thing
Well, as I'm sure you know, there are tools more easy to use than that (although not much).
20:49
@IanCampbell Check the user's reputation history. It shows the +10 or -2 for each up-/downvote they've received with a timestamp of when they received it. Doesn't work for 1 rep users who received downvotes (no corresponding -2s) nor for deleted posts (though, maybe diamonds can get more info there) but it does cover all other situations, which should be the majority.
@VLAZ Got it. Thanks for the info.
Oh, sorry. Didn't see Tyler already covered it.
21:06
@mickmackusa it does seem like a lot, but in general people are far more likely to upvote an answer than a question and I'd be less inclined to question it.
22:27
Does a downvote on an answer count as self-interest/involvement when raising a question's validity in here? (Either as a formal cv-pls request or just as a general discussion.)
Your downvote on an answer?
And, just for fun, should we add, "a common dupe that some rep-hungry glumstrük will answer" to the list of, "...one of the following criteria."?
I don't think there's an ethical issue, and more practically, there's no way to police that, even for moderators.
@IanCampbell Yes - downvoted answer. My 'involvement' is getting the 1 rep. point back when the whole thing eventually gets deleted.
1 rep. point matters, when you're 2 rep. points short of being able to buy a baby unicorn.
You and I both know there's no point in having rep if you can't spend it on downvotes.
22:37
But (somehow) I just don't want to blow away ~x downvotes a day on bad answers. There's just too many of them around. :(
... or is that what I should be doing?

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