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Q: What to do about [tablename]?

Jakob LovernAlthough it (probably) doesn't pass the burninate test, it's also generally not a useful tag to apply to questions. The tag has 140 questions but no usage guidance or tag wiki. They're about SQL table names mostly, but what exactly users are doing with table names isn't exactly clear. Sometimes t...

 
12:49 AM
 
1:08 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis @VLAZ @tripleee a question that was deleted in response to a del-pls requested here is now being discussed on meta
 
1:54 AM
@HenryEcker thanks for the notice
 
2:19 AM
 
2:32 AM
@HenryEcker Thanks! Missed that Meta post. Will take a look.
 
 
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6:30 AM
is this non-english, accepted, answer, NAA or not: stackoverflow.com/a/73624051?
 
@Cristik Non-English is always NAA.
 
had the same feeling, however they throw in some commands, and the asker accepted the answer so looks like the solution was good
that's why I was in doubt :)
 
7:21 AM
@HenryEcker Thanks for the heads up i have posted a comment.
 
 
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8:52 AM
 
When a post with a pending suggested edit is deleted, the edit is still reviewable, isn't it? I remember there are some (older) complaints on Meta about people getting to review such edits.
 
I'll see if I can find a suggested edit on a post that is (or should be) deleted. We can do an experiment.
 
@AdrianMole How about this one?
 
Can't find that in the SE queue.
 
Thanks
 
9:42 AM
@JeanneDark I believe the edits are normally deleted, but sometimes that doesn't happen for unclear reasons.
(for example, the post you linked doesn't even show the suggested edit in the mod timeline)
(maybe it's different if the post is deleted by a mod vs. a queue?)
 
I'll keep an eye out for delete-worthy posts in reviews that have a suggested edit on them.
 
^ recent activity: deleted spam
 
At what point should we start to be concerned over a long-time pending mod-flag? 6-8 days/weeks/months/years?
 
Can anyone see a reason why this question is closed? How to reverse a string while retaining the position of punctuations?
@AdrianMole is it plagiarism? then you can wait a few months.
 
@Dharman I can see the reason why it is closed but I can't see why that reason is relevant. I have voted to reopen it.
@Dharman That's what I thought. I put "plagiarism" as the intro, so mods probably think it will take some investigative work (but it actually won't). No bother.
 
9:52 AM
I just marked the only flag you had as helpful
not much to do there
 
... the post has had been handled by the community (deleted), so it's not it wasn't urgent. But I believe plagiarism also needs to be mod-handled in terms of the user, so we should leave those flags, even after the post gets deleted. Is that correct?
 
@AdrianMole Yes, it's good to flag even deleted posts because then we have a history
 
@AdrianMole I think the reason is relevant (cc @AdrianMole), see the comments underneath both non-deleted answers. There's a need for clarification on several edge cases
 
@Adriaan OK, I can see that on a re-visit, and reading the comments and answers. But it really is a minor detail, IMHO. A generic method can be (and has been) shown, irrespective of the minor details about specific separators/delimiters.
 
10:14 AM
@AdrianMole Concerned for the mods' sanity? That'd be acceptable at any time.
 
You mean that you think I'm concerned that there may be an outbreak of sanity among the mods?
 
There's one person who has over 400 pending post flags...and that's after I cleared out a few dozen of their (valid) flags earlier today.
@AdrianMole That would be concerning.
 
10:31 AM
@Dharman I have limited Python knowledge (but good Google knowledge), but I'm sure that it is a duplicate of many, such as this: Reverse a string in Python or this: How to reverse a string in python? or these
 
Is this question always going to be POB? Or could it be (edited to become) not so and/or useful?
 
@Dharman: my bad. They are reversing the letters of each word in a String, and so this is likely the better duplicate.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels thanks, I reclosed it as a duplicate
 
10:58 AM
@RyanM Thanks! The edit is deleted when a mod deletes it but stays when it was through the queue?
 
jps
one for the screenshot hall of fame: i.sstatic.net/hHOOG.jpg
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11:57 AM
@JeanneDark I'm not entirely sure. That's totally speculation that I haven't tried at all to confirm.
 
Ok, thanks
 
 
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1:23 PM
@AdrianMole Yes I think the question it's asking is opinion-based. OP would need to provide some objective metric to explain what they consider "a good idea". What's the problem OP is trying to solve that makes this a good idea, for example
 
Is there a way to filter the list of closure votes in your own profile page on the type of vote? Specifically, how do I find the questions I dupe hammered?
 
@Adriaan Yeah, sure there is a way. It's called "writing a user-script". ;-P
 
@Adriaan You could probably run an SEDE query of closed posts that are a duplicate and have you as a close voter.
 
@NathanOliver how do you say SEDE?
 
@TylerH S. E. D. E. ;)
If you're not carful you'll find a seedy place instead
 
2:23 PM
 
2:40 PM
@Adriaan Unfortunately this doesn't include deleted posts, but here are your dupehammered questions. I specifically searched for questions closed with a binding vote, where you were the last close voter, and the closure date occurred after you gained your gold badge.
Stole a grand majority of the code from rene's answer here
 
@Spevacus shiny, thanks!
 
@Spevacus Yeah, and it also gets questions when the question author approves a duplicate closure
 
@Spevacus Note to self: When stealing code, steal all of the code. This is fixed now @Adriaan @IanCampbell
5
 
2:48 PM
Nathan has hammered over 1500 questions. That's dedication.
 
Likely this query could be improved if we cross-check with the tags it has vs your currently-acquired gold badges instead of jury-rigging it with a date that has when you gained your first gold badge.
Actually... On that note, I've just removed the date check. It now goes back further and should likely be better for finding all of one's binding close votes.
Binding duplicate close votes, that is.
 
3:29 PM
@Spevacus Does your query consider any "final" vote as binding. (Like just the third vote on a Q, before one had the hammer.)
 
@AdrianMole Nah, the json text for the PostHistory entry needs to have a "binding" flag to match the query. That in concert with the check for the input user ID being the final close voter should always return only instances where the given user ID was the final close voter AND they exerted their gold badge privileges.
 
Hmm. Then I have hammered 274 questions. :)
 
274 non-deleted questions. There are quite likely many more now-deleted ones :D
 
3:58 PM
@Spevacus Try running that query for Cody. You'll likely crash the site. ;)
 
@AdrianMole Or Sam
 
Hmm. If a mod runs that query, will deleted posts count?
 
Cody's actually returns a "measly" 853. Sam's is 359.
This doesn't appear to include moderator-closed-as-duplicate closures (i.e. binding, but not as a gold badger) - If it does, I haven't found one yet.
 
Hmm, I'm at 597
 
All hail Spevacus, King of the Duplicates!
 
4:01 PM
All hail Nathan Oliver, King of the Duplicates!
 
The king is dead, all hail the King.
 
Oh.. that was Martijn, oops
 
@Spevacus You speak too soon
 
Holy
 
That's impresive.
That's more hammers than I have close votes.
 
4:05 PM
heh
well it's certainly a lot (and nearly 20x my number of dupehammers), but nowhere close to my total # of close votes, which is ~63,300
 
Be sure to mention that number in your moderator nomination post.
 
Sure, when that ever gets posted in an alternate universe :-P
 
Be sure to also nominate. :)
 
That small, tiny requirement
 
5:04 PM
@AdrianMole Didn't see this before. From my understanding, moderators get the same db access via SEDE that mortals do.
It would certainly be nice if they were able to query across deleted content, though, as existing site search functionality is likely not the best way to find certain problematic behavior.
 
5:26 PM
@Spevacus Only employees get an expanded SEDE, and only Devs have direct DB access
 
6:10 PM
@Spevacus ahem, even I have more than that
 
@Spevacus Confirmed; as a moderator with no gold badges, I have no results for your query.
 
@RyanM Yeah the JSON "text" field includes no more information when a moderator is the only close voter. You would think the "BindingReason" would include "Moderator" or something, but nope.
 
6:26 PM
It doesn't because mod status is never recorded in the vote.
It's the same reason that mod deleted posts are only undeletable for as long as that user is a moderator. They don't actually track that the user was a mod at the time the vote was cast anywhere.
 
And, I believe, that also applies to posts deleted before they became a moderator.
 
And self deleted content... which I think it probably shouldn't.
 
(also, it's harder to undelete comments deleted by former moderators, unless you have a userscript)
@HenryEcker Yeah, probably not, but also if you feel that you should undelete-vote a moderator's self-deleted post, something has gone wrong somewhere.
 
I don't know that the reasons to undelete a moderator's self-deleted post would be any different than voting to undelete anyone else's self-deleted content.
 
Mostly I'd hope moderators would not self-delete content that should remain on the site.
 
6:31 PM
Honestly I tend to agree with Animuson that we should just get rid of mod deletions preventing undeletion. It's hard to get something un-trusted user deleted.
If you really wanted something to stay deleted you can always lock the post.
@tripleee That seems fairly clear (after the edit) unless I'm missing something? Desired behaviour: only remove the last comma; attempt: the current code replaces all commas.
 
Yeah, that's not wrong. Improve the lock system though.
@HenryEcker Agreed, was thinking the same thing. Went with dupe, does that look accurate?
 
Moderators should just have an option when deleting to prevent trusted user undelete votes and default it to off. Or just add a lock type specifically for deletion in that case.
 
@HenryEcker they improved it, but now it's almost certainly a duplicate
 
@RyanM the dupe closure makes sense. yeah
 
@tripleee yeah, I dug one up and hammered
 
6:34 PM
@tripleee Ah I didn't see they had made an edit after you had.
 
6:45 PM
the darker background/border for the "answers" stat on question lists looks weird
 
7:49 PM
 
Looking for a solution to an awk question I stumbled upon an awfully poor question (4 downvotes so far) that's next to impossible to understand with an incomprehensible code-only self answer ... CV-PLS advises me that's a bad idea because of it's age and no recent activity. Should I just let it be?
 
@tink if you share a link here I can possibly lend a hand at revising it
that might help your decision
 
That is one way to bend the rules
 
@TylerH this one
@StephenOstermiller - is that a response to my question or to TylerH's offer? :)
 
I spoke in relation to whether the question should be closed, not about whether a cv-pls request should be posted, sorry if that wasn't clear
 
@tink I've revised it, hopefully it is more clear now.
 
Heh. Thanks. Still doesn't really work for me. Never mind :)
 
It seems like a clear 'how do I do this' question to me, at least. I don't know awk, though, so I don't know if it's too broad without an attempt
 
That's what your edit led me to think: needs focus ;)
Anyway. I've given it my downvote.
I can live with that. Now I hope it doesn't pop up in google searches too often :D
 
Happy to help :-)
 
8:23 PM
Cheers ;)
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Hmmm, I think asking how to do that (straightforward) math operation in Java is legit, though. You can know the formula but not how to code it up. (although it's less than 100% clear if that's the case here).
the formula is straightforward enough that I'd hope that's the issue
 
@RyanM: Hmm, kind of an edge case then
 
as distinct from, say, "I have this complex stats issue and I want to solve it using python" where the real issue is how to do the stats
 
there's plenty that is waiting on OP's response already for it to be closed as needs detail, at least
the comments from Bohemian and 0x5453, at least, seem to demand edits to the question
 
Yeah, definitely an edge case and this surely isn't a shining example of a question without issues other than topicality.
 
8:37 PM
currently it'll roomba anyway in a few weeks given the quite low score
 
tl;dr I think it's at least on-topic regardless of what other problems it has that may, separately, warrant closure.
 
Shush, go answer a bunch of android questions so you can get a gold badge in it :-P
 
"shush" == "be quiet"
Assuming that was an actual information request about a foreign language? :D
 
8:44 PM
No, I am quite familiar with the term, "shush", and I use it with my wife and SO chat rooms with extreme caution.
 
LOL ... I totally dig the wife part ;D ...
 
🚽
 
9:19 PM
 
 
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11:03 PM
Is this question worth keeping? It was a PHP question that has somehow been taken over by Python answers. The lone PHP answer looks to be plagiarised from the answer on the linked dupe. stackoverflow.com/q/19989481/1255289
 
11:21 PM
And I think this (actual) Python question covers the same ground. stackoverflow.com/questions/53847404/…
 
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