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@RyanM @Makyen Well, I have to disagree with the group here. I don't think that question is off-topic.
@jps Where have you noticed this?
@JeanneDark Unnecessary, perhaps, but not harmful. The additional flag would not cause any extra work for moderators, and flaggers shouldn't have to know about or consider system-level minutiae/implementation details. If a flagger sees something wrong, they should flag it.
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00:21
stackoverflow.com/q/72429374 Koa-related spam seed?
The previous rate of (legit) Koa posts looked to be one every few days or so
@CertainPerformance Yeah, looks like it. I've raised a custom flag.
I wonder if SE could do something to make the process from signing up to posting a question harder... not that they'd want to, but the current one makes spam and LQ posts very easy to make
stackoverflow.com/a/72809112 answerer suggests using their own library without mentioning affiliation, should I flag as spam? I did a bit of searching on Meta, but I couldn't find any guidance on what I should do, only what the answerer should do.
Most spam is super easy to identify and flag, but if the post is ostensibly about programming even if it's ML-generated near-nonsense, that makes it a lot harder to distinguish from legit badly presented posts from new users
If these posts didn't have in common the Koa backend and the huge walls of code, they'd be a lot harder for us than they already are
@SuperStormer If it isn't immediately obvious how it's spam, I think a custom flag would be more appropriate. Since this is an established user, you could also first make a comment under their post pointing them to the guidelines on disclosing affiliation.
00:36
Looks like they have a few other posts promoting the same library
@SuperStormer They have another answer where they have disclosed affiliation stackoverflow.com/a/72778143/11171084 , so either they forgot, or...
some with affiliation disclosure, some without
If there's a couple and not just one, a custom flag seems appropriate
Yep, you can add stackoverflow.com/… to the mod message
hm
may have misread an answer
looks like only the original one is missing attribution
going to just comment
00:43
There is a limit to how much one can post suggesting one's own tools even with attribution though, 5 posts in a week is really pushing it IMO
 
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03:27
@CertainPerformance For what it's worth, we are working with CMs to try to target these specific Koa spammers, which is a better strategy (less blunt instrument) than just making it harder for everyone to post.
03:50
@CodyGray I'd prefer it to be harder to post in general though (which only incidentally might make things more difficult for the spammers). One can sign up for a new account in 60 seconds (if one is needed) and then post whatever the issue of the moment is, immediately. IMO this is a process that leads to a good number more low quality questions existing in the end than if there was a more introspective process.
Of the 22 million (visible) questions on the site, how many are actually useful to future readers? At least an order of magnitude less, I think
it's asking about some contents of a file linked from a tutorial (albeit an Apple tutorial)
when (if) the tutorial link becomes invalid, so will the question
@CertainPerformance Maybe they should make you fill out a survey?
04:12
@CodyGray or add an "I abide by posting only qualitative questions, and no spam" checkbox when they sign up
Qualitative questions? So nothing that's quantifiable or countable?
is this question about PS/2 protocol on-topic? stackoverflow.com/questions/72809098/…
@Juraj I... don't think so. I'm thinking either Electrical Engineering or Retrocomputing would be better fits?
Soon, after the mod election is over, you can yell at me for migrating off-topic questions to EE! :-)
 
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08:34
@user692942 typo?
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08:55
@SmokeDetector why is smokey always so easily offended?
@jps Smokey is very young and, despite its owners being cruel and exposing it to all sorts of foul posts, it doesn't really "get out" that much. :)
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oh dear, smokey gets offended by an automatically generated image file name
@AdrianMole poor smokey, maybe we should buy him some icecream
I think "cornetto" is a blacklisted word.
 
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10:13
@RyanM Have you reopened it by mistake?
@SunderamDubey I decided my original choice of close reason was wrong, so I changed it. That requires a reopen -> close cycle, though.
Or for closing in right reason which you chose later
Yeah, I decided it wasn't really a debugging question.
Ok.
What should I do if don't know or doubt about the close reason, then which reason to tell at cv-pls ?
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@SunderamDubey just ask us before you cast a vote
10:19
@jps can we make cv-pls request without writing a reason in middle?
For example: tag:cv-pls any-question-link-here
Without reason?
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no, once you make a CV-pls, you should know for what reason. Just ask with a link to the question. Those who are in the room will take a look and tell you their opinion
All right.
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here is an example of someone asking how to handle a certain answer
the stating of the reason and ideally also a topic tag helps guide us, too; we have a limited number of close votes, and prefer to spend them, and our time, on cv-pls requests where we have some familiarity with the topic
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but even if you give a reason in your cv-pls, it's still up to the voter to choose a different reson
 
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Does this question needs to be closed?
12:13
@Cristik second question is also not in English.
@SunderamDubey hence the NMD :)
@Cristik :) :)
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12:34
@SunderamDubey as it is already > 4 month old and didn't get much attention, a simple downvote would kill it in a day. For the busy voters in this room who often run out of votes it might not be worthwhile to vote on it. Otherwise, at least "needs details or clarity" sounds resonable.
screenshot of the day?
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@GeneralGrievance interesting way to revoke an answer
maybe the user does not know they can delete their answer
Yeah, leaving a comment.
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12:52
@GeneralGrievance worked
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People who say no one wants explanations for upvotes obviously haven't seen questions like this - or this one
14:18
@Nick the hyphen tag is being burninated, you may want to take care of this one
15:07
@cocomac SmokeDetector is a not a person.
@cocomac That's spam.
@SunderamDubey They know that, but replying to an SD report does add your message to the MS log.
@SunderamDubey How do you know? Maybe it's acting like a bot just to mess with us
@TheMaster I don't know, I have read it in FAQ
All right.
@E_net4-MrDownvoter Yes, the question must be deleted.
O.. k, then. :)
Poor OP, they wrote an answer, "Okay i'm just dumb... i deserve every downvote."
15:43
Can users with 10K+ reputation also see deleted questions?
@SunderamDubey Yes, they can see deleted questions and answers.
k, I was thinking only answers.
you would be able to see a deleted question as long as you have the link
 
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17:09
@M-- That looks like NAA to me. Did you get a declined flag on it, perhaps?
Can any C++ SMEs take a few mins and flag NLN comments under this Q? I suspect more than a few are obsolete (there's some arguments that have been removed) but I don't want to bulk remove either since some might be useful
17:35
@Machavity There's only a few NLN, which I've flagged. Several comments contain personal attacks (not enough to tip it over to abusive, just unnecessary) in addition to useful information, which could be cleaned up if you're inclined.
I improved on the single-tag search SEDE query. Now you can enter a parameter instead of forking the query every time you want to look for a specific tag.
18:03
I'm looking at questions that need the hyphen tag removed and noticed there's a tag for character-entities. Is this a good tag? It only has 45 questions so I don't want to use it if it's something we'll need to burn later anyway.
18:17
@cigien That'll work. Thanks
The tag is being burninated: Open Qs - Close Queue - Meta CW
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18:37
Yes, that was the question I was looking at. Thanks.
I'll use the character-entities tag if it comes up again.
18:55
@BSMP has 1.3k questions and seems more appropriate, unless you're talking about character entities in a context other than HTML. ( only has 54 questions.)
19:13
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@miken32 hmmmmmm I feel like there's a synonym/merge to be had there, although I honestly feel like character-entities might be the "right" tag to unify the concepts?
basically I feel like those three tags are all, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.
Agreed, and I don't think "character entities" exist in any other languages
Wrote up a meta post. Should show up here shortly.
19:27
@RyanM In SOCVR?
Yep, aaaaany minute now...
There's a bot that posts all burnination questions. It has a very fancy user avatar.
Speaking of which, should we update that to also post [synonym-request] questions without the [burninate-request] tag?
Not sure how easy that is without duplication; I'm not very experienced with Feeds.
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Q: Are [xml-entities], [html-entities], and [character-entities] actually one entity?

Ryan MThere are three very similar tags: html-entities, with 1335 questions xml-entities, with 54 questions character-entities, with 45 questions These all seem to describe the same thing: the method of typing characters using an ampersand and a semicolon (e.g.,  ) described on the tag wiki for ...

19:42
"postal code" is not allowed in the title...
I think these filters should be changed
And yet 20 🚨 emoji are allowed in a title. Thanks Stack Exchange.
They allow the emoji so that we can easily see the spam : )
@IanCampbell But my question is very important, Ian, that's why it needed all of those!
It's urgent, you see.
tl;dr; always
19:55
Phrases? Or fraises? 🍓🍓🍓
@GeneralGrievance Only for questions about , , or .
@GeneralGrievance Whichever you prefer. But please don't add Frasier to your question. No post is deserving of such honour.
Can I add 🚨 🚨 🚨 when I need a close vote faster than other people here? Sometimes I have to let it be known that my CV is more important than anyone else's.
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@halfer No need, since we all know how urgently your requests should be handled :/
All [cv-pls] requests with 🚨 🚨 🚨 in the message will be urgently considered for reopening.
20:44
@Mast Alright, thanks!
@HovercraftFullOfEels 🏆 😌
@RyanM Ha, revenge is sweet!
@Dharman while of potential coding importance, what is the relevance of this to SOCVR? Am I missing something?
Yeah, if you see duplicates, you can close with this one
I assume more people might be posting the same question in the coming days
@Dharman: fair enough
I wish community effort locks didn't prevent edits, voting and comments...
@halfer could @Dharman's link be relevant here?
21:59
See, it's coming in handy already
@HovercraftFullOfEels Ha, very prescient 😁
@HovercraftFullOfEels Could you expand on how it might be relevant? Should it be offered to the OP, or should I read it to understand how to advise in this case? I am about to close the laptop for the night, but happy for my cv-pls to be removed if there are complex considerations I don't know about :=)
A new question every 5 minutes
imagine actually updating your dependencies
Can the canonical be updated to be more general? The problem is not specifically about reactjs, react-native, or create-react-app. Even just a title edit would help.
22:14
@HenryEcker I can unlock it for a moment and you can edit if you want
@Dharman I can do that.
done
@halfer: I can't say for sure, since I am hardly an expert on the subject, but your cv-pls question appears to be having problems with ES-Lint, similar to what Dharman was linking to. Again, I am no expert on this.
@Dharman Thanks.
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thanks - looks like Dharman has closed as a dup already 👍. My main issues were a screenshot of text, plus missing info. Hopefully the signpost will help though
23:18
Celebrated the 90-day anniversary of getting my diamond by deleting over 500 posts today.
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And this day will go down in infamy as "The Day of the Diamond Mod Massacre"
(post massacre, that is)

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