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00:02
But yeah, the permalink also works well.
01:18
What's wrong with my question here? It says someone downvoted and voted to close it, but they didn't give any explanation. stackoverflow.com/questions/72708015/…
@flarn2006 My crystal ball predicts that the "Opinion-based" vote is because you said "So what's the current best practice here?" - I'd recommend rephrasing the question to avoid asking about best practices, especially if it's not necessary for the question (as it sounds like it's not from a quick skim - I'm not familiar with Xcode).
 
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03:42
@RyanM Can you please deltete this cv-pls? OP added MCVE
@AlonEitan → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
Thanks :)
04:03
@IanCampbell if people could stop violating the rules in ways that require a bunch of time-consuming work to fix, that would greatly aid in clearing out that queue ;-)
04:29
@BhargavRao Happy Birthday! I hope you have a great day.
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05:00
@tripleee I don't think we should delete this, at least not for the reason you've requested. The linked duplicate target seems to be asking something different
Separately, that's certainly a useful signpost. It has a good answer, and doesn't require already knowing the problem (lack of Shell parameter) to search the title, unlike the suggested target.
@Makyen Thanks so much!
Hmm, is that a useful signpost? The target of the target has lots of linked duplicates with titles like "subprocess failed ..." and "subprocess not executing ..." and such, so it seemed like a redundant signpost to me.
@cigien not a good signpost, but not for that duplicate target
@cigien The one in the request has 25k views, which suggests to me that it's an especially useful signpost compared to at least many others.
05:16
@RO please bin this, OP added some clarifications, thanks
Hmm, that looks like a reasonable duplicate target, but ok. Also, yeah, the views alone are enough to suggest it's a useful signpost, even if an appropriate target is found. I've retracted my delete vote. Thanks for the clarification.
@cigien this IMO, would be a better duplicate target candidate
for me it's top result in google when searching for "No such file or directory subprocess.call" (without the quotes)
That does look like a better target. If a hammer sees this discussion, perhaps they'll be inclined to edit the target list.
06:10
@cigien I don't necessarily agree, the Django question has good answers but has noting to do with Django really ... perhaps it should be edited to remove the Django references, but then also the accepted answer is dubious, as pointed out in comments
there are 5-6 common pitfalls with subprocess but it's hard to find a good canonical which also takes into account platform differences between Windows and ... real computers
the more reasons do not delete existing questions
unless they are really bad (including the questions and the answers)
we absolutely have more than enough duplicates, as also witnessed by the shell=True question, and the one I voted to delete has an accepted answer with bad advice
but I added a second duplicate to the del-pls nominated question for the time being
I'll have a few more del-pls nominations for similar questions, I have them queued up so as not to overwhelm the room with all of them in one go; but rest assured that I have spared the vast majority of the duplicates I have hammered
@tripleee Honestly, they all look pretty much the same to me. I don't have strong opinions on which one is the most appropriate.
for a canonical, definitely prefer one where the appected answer isn't dubious or flat-out wrong; but yeah, it's hard to find an acceptable one with such strict criteria
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@blackgreen are you only a expert or do you also work with l? ;)
oh, nice, I had yet to see something like that
:D
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but to answer the question you need knowledge in as well...
I love it when people just type down their question in a hurry, click two times to confirm that the new tag is really needed and never even check what garbage they produced.
it strongly, and sadly, reminds me of this
also being in such a hurry achieves the exact opposite effect because now the question is mistagged and will be seen by basically nobody, until some pious soul finds it by chance
do you feel pious enough, jps?
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07:36
@blackgreen yes, the confirmation dialog asking if the tag is really needed sadly doesn't help
@blackgreen no, I'm in evil mode before I had my first coffee
haha, I can relate to that
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and not a SME for golnag and datafram
Did you actually mean datafarm, or was it a deliberate tyop?
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I heard about rep farming, but data farming is new to me
stupid me, data farming is even a thing
08:03
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Q: Burninate typo tag [golnag]

DominiqueWhile checking the existing tags, I stumbled upon following typo tag: golnag, which is a typo of golang The mentioned typo tag doesn't have any associated questions, so there's no danger deleting it.

09:01
@Adriaan looks like they've edited; does that address the issue?
@RyanM probably yes, thanks
Can a RO remove this request please? Post has been edited (cc @RyanM)
@Adriaan → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
09:36
@Adriaan This one has been fixed.
Can aa RO please remove this request? OP has edited (cc @RyanM)
@Adriaan → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@RyanM would you be willing to remove a historical lock, let me edit example in approved example domains, then re-apply the historical lock?
@StephenOstermiller potentially, details?
@AdrianMole I'd rather not google this at work to see if the library is real.
09:41
@VLAZ I tried briefly, didn't seem to be.
I did (briefly) consider that it may have been a bizarre typo ... but, nah. It was intentionally offensive.
Might be misspelled. Mind you, I'm not defending the answer. Just curious if it didn't mean to say something else. IMO, if you write a post that is indistinguishable from spam or R/A without advanced digging, the spam or R/A flags on it are correct.
@RyanM Hidden features of HTML contains the highest scoring post remaining using "domain.com". It would take me about 10 minutes to edit all the answers.
@StephenOstermiller Ah, yeah, good idea. Unlocked; have at it.
09:44
@VLAZ Well, there was that Danish King of England ... the one who tried to order the tide to turn back. His name is often spelled, "Cnut". But I don't think he ever wrote any APIs.
@RyanM Done, pls lock again
@AdrianMole Ordered the tide to turn back? The question is about data flow. Seems related! :P But yeah, I'm not too invested in this.
@StephenOstermiller Done, thanks. At first I was going to object that it should be example.com, etc., but apparently RFC 2606 begs to differ and yours are also valid.
As a webmaster moderator, I know that RFC
plus my new auto-edit user script can easily apply .example even when there are multiple different example domains involved.
10:15
@IanCampbell 191 deleted posts today later, the custom flag queue is down to a mere 187 flagged posts.
(yours still among them. I checked.)
Good, keep it safe. We don't want anything to happen to that flag.
I like flags.
@RyanM I'd better create a few more in that case
@Adriaan Plagiarism flags would be best, those will really make sure I'm busy.
10:51
My ISP's portal is idiotic. Apparently I can't login because my credentials are "Cannot read property 'code' of undefined"
How does that even happen
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@Dharman I'm voting to close your question as duplicate of stackoverflow.com/questions/42282482/… ;)
I think I never had a positive experience with any ISP in any of the countries I lived, ever. It's probably an industry requirement to produce the worst UX possible
11:07
I hear it's worse in the US but similar monopoly or oligopoly situations seem to be the norm elsewhere too
@RyanM got you one in that case ;)
11:44
@tripleee that has some votes (+16 on the Q, +9 on the highest answer). Isn't it worth keeping as a signpost?
@Adriaan again, part of my reasoning is also based on the number of confused or crazy answers with upvotes
I'm noticing quite a few posts by new users that use a plethora of tags, but not the tag of the language they're working with. Is it somehow not clear that SO isn't a Python-, Go-, or Java-only forum?
12:14
@tripleee Highly dependent upon where you live. I have 3 ISPs that cover where I live. Some more densely populated areas have even more. It's the outliers where you only have one choice where it's more of a pain
FWIW Starlink has gradually been changing that
@Adriaan Most likely explanation: They don't know the name of the language
@JeanneDark well, there's people asking about their dataframe in pandas. If you're using pandas, that means you know what Python is, since you're using it. Still, the question only has a [dataframe] tag. I presume something along the lines of my canned comment, that they think SO to be a forum about their favourite language, rather than all possible programming problems
They neither know what SO is nor what tags are for or how to use them (the latter sadly also true for too many users with 1500+ rep).
12:35
@Adriaan that question you pinged my about needs details. I don't think it could be answered on webmasters without more information about the site, the server, and the theme.
thanks :)
12:50
Can anyone with C++ review this question? Esp-8266 POST request 404s but it works in Postman I don't think it's answerable, but I am not sure how to help them edit it into shape. It received 2 upvotes though
@Adriaan It'd be fun to see what the score of that question would have been if it didn't have any emoji in it when SD found it.
13:16
@tripleee why should we delete this, and not delete the duplicate target? The question you referenced has more views, more votes, more diversity of solutions than the duplicate target. The question itself is also a little bit better formulated than the other one.
I'm not against deleting it, however if we were to keep one of the duplicates, I'd say to keep the del-pls requested one
@Adriaan OP replaced the images by code meanwhile, is the cv-pls request still needed?
Can a RO bin this request please? OP edited (cc @TylerH @NathanOliver)
this whole HTTP management solution think they are doing now is horrible. SO keeps being really slow and going offline
@TylerH @Adriaan binned per your request
@TylerH let's look at the positive side: SO being slow and unresponsive means less spam :)
13:31
lol
hardly a silver lining
Less spam, less bad questions, less bad answers. You also get to see less of the UI. If you think about it, it's mostly good things.
OK, I was going to say that we wouldn't have gotten this spam post if SO was down, but the text (other than the spam link) is brilliant.
> Recently I started Learning Python and now I am having an urge to create an AI partner to do my work like JARVIS in iron man. Could anyone share with me a starting code or guide to creating an AI assistant?
I often daydreamed of a JARVIS-like assistant myself after seeing Iron Man in 2008
@Cristik I feel I already answered above
2 hours ago, by tripleee
@Adriaan again, part of my reasoning is also based on the number of confused or crazy answers with upvotes
the OP is unsatisfied with the answers which seem the most correct, but basically all of them are incomplete if not misleading
14:00
@tripleee sorry, missed that discussion, I only saw the request in the del- filters
still, invalid/confusing answers can be deleted, new ones can no longer be posted as the question is closed
considering those, I don't see a reason to delete the other good content
@Cristik I can see no "other good content" which isn't covered the same or better in the duplicate
deleting questions solely to prevent low quality answers being added is not a good approach
I'm hoping to delete existing low-quality answers with upvotes and/or confused discussions in the comments
I could say the other way around :)
to me, the duplicate link should be the other way around
let's find a third one then, there are plenty
I'm regarding this as a bad signpost because of the answers it has, as much as the quality and clarity of the question
14:06
sure, if a better third one would've been linked, I wouldn't even have the discussion started :)
I don't want to sound harsh, but simply picking a related question as a duplicate target, and asking afterwars for deletion is not a valid reason for me to VTD, and will always ask for more clarifications
added another duplicate from the very first comment, 10 answers
that one looks better indeed
not stellar either, frankly
 
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17:17
What is with the random bolded words in that post?
maybe it's a spam seed
18:47
What does SD/NATO request mean?
19:18
Folks at Google are getting cheeky, I sometimes download youtube vids from sites and they just removed all the good sites from google search results and only left the click bait ones....
@Adriaan and the most loathed language in this year's dev survey was (drum roll): Matlab. (It can't be that bad...)
I learned Matlab to help my ex through grad school. It's pretty frustrating.
@TheMaster In what context? If you are asking regarding the Request Generator, then the checkboxes which mention SD and NATO add some text to the request indicating that the way you found the post was through an SD report or on the 10k tools New Answers To Old questions page. Mentioning that it was in an SD report would be because it helps people to know that and we don't consider requests about such posts when/if we look at the overall number of requests you post (rare, but we do so when it feels like the number of requests you make is "excessive"). Mentioning NATO when the post comes from the NATO page was requested by a moderator quite a long time ago. I'm unsure if anyone is still looking specifically for such requests.
20:09
@Makyen Thanks. Yes, that was what I was asking about.
Does anyone happen to remember why said moderator was interested in if the question was found on NATO? I've always found it to be an odd request.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine wrong dupe - ATP's link is correct
20:27
@IanCampbell I believe said moderator was Bhargav, so you could also ask next time they're around (though they're around SOBotics more than here) :-) but I suspect they liked to review the old ones that were less likely to get closed via votes and hammer them.
Ah, that makes sense.
20:42
neat
actions that affect my reputation, under my reputation tab, aren't always in order
@KevinB They also aren't always correct, but hey who's counting.
i saw a +1, so had to investigate. turns out it was due to an answer i accidentally undownvoted and re-downvoted shortly after
but the +1 showed more recent than the -1
at least it looks consistently wrong
Hey Everyone! I hope you are all doing well. Just wanted to let you all know I appreciate your efforts to keep S.O. Awesome!
"Don't Have A Good Day,
Have A Great Day!"
@IanCampbell Bhargov's request and subsequent conversation about adding NATO to requests. cc @RyanM
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@KevinB That sounds like as it should be. Are you sure you stated that the way you intended?
20:50
Ah, very helpful. Thanks Henry
@Makyen if i unvote something, then revote it, i get a +1, then a -1, so the -1 is more recent and should show first
but instead the +1 is at the top
what i'm seeing as i look through more days is that it seems to always display the positive changes before the negative, irregardless of timeline
@KevinB Hmmm... It looks like I misread your description. I should probably read a bit slower. :;
@KevinB Are you looking at the "Post" tab or the "Time" tab? Note: those events are ones which only you see, so it's not something I, or anyone else, can check on on your profile (CMs might see that information, but I don't know).
Post
(note that other actions display between these two)
on other posts
lol
+1 Undownvoted Post A
-1 Downovted Post B
-1 Downvoted Post A
the first item should be 3rd, if it's following the timeline
so... What exactly is post sort?
if it isn't grouping actions per post
21:04
Whoever coined irregardless should be posthumously flogged. I can't believe that Merriam-Webster accepted that abomination as a word last year.
i purposely use it just to annoy people
It's working ;)
Anyone happen to know under what circumstances the "Welcome back remember to vote" fancy overlay happens/can find a reference along those lines?
Thanks. The "you arrive on a question from a search engine" was the piece I was missing.
22:10
@KevinB I would like to propose that we accept irregardful as a word.
i only accept words that have a proven record of causing anxiety
such as "guidelines"
anxiousful
I'm anxious just looking at the word "irregardful".
@KevinB "Pfizer"? says anxiety has many faces :)
i wonder if they produce anything that eases anxiety
22:16
@KevinB I don't know, but was lucky to be able to produce some pub for the pt brand
🎵 Anxiety ... I'm not half the man I really think I want to be. 🎵
which released my financial anxiety at the time, lol
released == relieved
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22:39
Seems kind of quiet, so I went and looked at the analytics. Seems like, the week of the 8th of May, Traffic/visits and Traffic/page views went down, and Traffic/New Visits cratered. Is this some seasonal thing that happens ever year? Maybe because colleges let out?
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Well that's convincing. Should have checked Meta first.
23:21
@TheMaster Why not flag it?
@Dharman I did. Sorry.
then why request this room to delete it. The two don't go together
dbc says the less visits are tangible. But meta says it's theoretical?
There might be less visits because of the vacation period starting in the norther hemisphere in certain countries
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Well, it just feels quiet. Maybe it's because the technologies I know are becoming more and more obsolete every month?

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