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01:24
Do answered NMF pages get roomba'ed? stackoverflow.com/q/72016163/2943403
@mickmackusa Yes. Though the +1 scoring answer prevents that particular post from being roombad
^ I don't see a +1 scored answer (anymore). Thanks for clarifying.
 
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04:29
@tripleee regarding that last SD report. The username matches the linked websites. Are you giving them the benefit of the doubt with the NAA feedback?
@HenryEcker the Bootstrap one? First offsense and the question sort of asks for it, so yeah, let's say undecided
@tripleee Okay. I wasn't sure whether to report the other one or not
@HenryEcker oooh, please do
 
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06:32
@Vega might as well throw a delete vote in the mix to prevent anyone from doing that again, although it'll roomba as well in four days
06:55
Worth flagging as spam or not? The user has the same website listed on their profile as in the answer. However, it's their only answer, does not seem like they have gone around advertising it. Seems more like unintentional non-disclosure. Maybe redflagging is too harsh for just the one instance nearly a decade ago.
@VLAZ OTOH: last seen 7 years ago. I doubt anyone, OP including, would notice a drop in rep or even an account deletion
not really an answer anyway
@tripleee Oh, don't get me wrong - the question is whether to flag NAA or spam
let's just get it deleted, it already has several delete votes
yeah probably not spam, but definitely should go
07:02
the site they link to is all in Arabic anyway
@tripleee it's spam - the link to the website is in their profile
undisclosed affiliation for sure; still not sure it deserves red flagging if it can just be cleaned out and there are no further offenses since 2013
well, yeah, probably - they haven't been active for 7 years, though, so I don't think this is a concern
ah, I see, should've read the transcript a couple messages further up :)
jps
jps
How should I flag or handle an answer which is not written in English. The OP got two comments pointing it out and ignored them.
07:09
@jps flag as VLQ
jps
jps
ok, thanks
@SmokeDetector needs details or focus I'd say. Doesn't look too much like spam
the site has a history of spamming though
@jps others already said VLQ, it's good to use VLQ on non-English posts because IIRC VLQ flags get cleared when the post is edited, so in the (unlikely?) case the OP actually goes ahead and translates their post, it saves a bunch of work from curators
assuming the post wouldn't have other issues after translation, in which case NAA is just fine
jps
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07:21
@blackgreen good to know this about the VLQ flag. But as you said, unlikely in this case unfortunately. Maybe they learn something when the answer gets deleted.
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08:45
I don't know how to craft a concise, technical, searchable title for this question. Any advice? stackoverflow.com/q/72435366/2943403
Yes, ban Smokey! That would stop the spam in this room.
@mickmackusa Group and filter entries of multidimensional array based on different properties
not sure about the correct technical terms in PHP though ("properties", "multidimensional")
09:17
@blackgreen I think that's probably too vague to be searchable. Maybe the question is simply too niche to help anyone else. Thanks anyway.
@mickmackusa it looks like a question about partitioning an array - maybe something along this line?
@mickmackusa IDK, usually I favor titles that strike a balance between specificity to the OP situation and the broader concepts used to solve the issue. Future researchers are rather unlikely to search for hotel availability,
I know that you aren't suggesting to keep references to hotels in the title
but how would you make the title generally applicable to similar situations without adding a degree of abstraction to the techniques used in the solution?
@blackgreen correct, I am quite dissatisfied with my edit to the title. The subject matter is not technical, searchable, relevant. I guess I'll take your initial advice.
10:21
SOCVR and mods having a quiet day? Quite a few spam reports from the past hour haven't been deleted yet
10:48
@VLAZ do we have a canonical on local variable name conflicts with imports of named exports? We could close against it
We probably have something but it's hard to find.
It's also touching on scoping a bit. And then OP reports a different error which is who knows what.
No idea what they changed and how. I'm not really sure it's even a useful signpost.
yeah, I am not even sure they understand what they are doing: Discord.push(Discord);. They are also supposed to be importing Client
11:11
@OlegValteriswithUkraine inb4 unicode trickery
I recently used unicode to confuse someone about comparison in Python
@ZoestandswithUkraine ?
If you write discоrd = "A", and then discord = "B", what do you think discord == discоrd is?
Should be false. But since you're asking, I assume that's not the case.
@ZoestandswithUkraine which language?
Missed opportunity for ®obinhood
11:24
@VLAZ I'd also assume false. Or an error as both variables are undeclared :)
is it OK to flag a bountied question that should be closed as "Needs debugging details"?
@blackgreen Fair, I think. If you are sure it's really that bad. I've done that in the past (once, I think).
yeah IDK because "needs debug details" may be difficult to ascertain for moderators, if they aren't SMEs
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Python
@VLAZ No, it is false. It should be true if there wasn't unicode involved
Although, to be fair the one I flagged was really unclear and it was changed to be drastically different in spite of there being an answer for the previous question.
11:28
@ZoestandswithUkraine well, that is as expected then. JS accepts unciode chars in var names too (but those who rely on that should burn in hell)
Obviously
You don't write real code like that unless you really, really hate yourself and/or your coworkers
I am sure there's space allocated in hell for those who do that in real-world code. Right next to looking up variable names at runtime.
Yeah, they are right outside the window of the creator of eval himself. Mr. Satan.
@VLAZ Where does regex fit into all this though?
@ZoestandswithUkraine I am not sure hell can allocate enough memory to fit it
11:48
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Maybe regex is hell, and all bad things stem from it
Maybe there is no satan, only ^(satan|the devil|evil incarnate)(?= in the Firey pits of regex)?$
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@ZoestandswithUkraine sounds about right. It is a little-known fact that hell stands for human expression limbo language
I suppose I could add the C++ tag to that ... but I still wouldn't have been able to hammer it.
... I did it anyway. There is no MFC gold tag-badge holder.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine but can I use it to parse HTML without alcohol poisoning Tony?
... and I'd be very surprised if there are any gold badgers.
Still failing to send Smokey feedback with Advanced Flagging. Anyone else having the issue?
12:04
@ZoestandswithUkraine you should be - at this point Tony is long dead from poisoning and is only summoned from the depths of hell.
OK. I reset and re-enabled the AF link with Metasmoke ... just need some spam now, to test it ... waiting ... waiting ...
... so, where is all the spam when you're hungry for it?
12:22
@ZoestandswithUkraine Ah The Devil: the original negative lookback. I also hear he's greedy
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12:58
@gre_gor I'd vote as typo even - the OP already confirmed they misplaced the display property. And for Christ's sake, 3 answers already...
Chrit disapproves
Chrit approves :P
13:13
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Probably best to avoid expletives that refer to elements of religious beliefs. (Although I hear Satanists aren't that bothered.)
@AdrianMole well, it was that or FFS :) [for the record, I am a secular agnostic]
... F-ists are also famously nonchalant about blasphemous expressions. :)
You can always fall back to the great old gods: In Hastur's name! What in Azathoth's infinity is going on?
Well, all the talk about Mjolnir is (seemingly) acceptable.
@VLAZ why haven't I thought of that?! For Freyja's sake!
@AdrianMole in my defence, the F wouldn't be said in vain :)
Telepresence is an open-source, CNCF sandbox project developed by Ambassador Labs.
This gives me exactly zero information about what the tag is about
programming, or not programming, we need more details there :)
Hmm, IMO general computing. It's something to do with networks but it used to work on an older OS.
Doesn't seem quite like SF material.
@VLAZ exactly
13:48
From the website: Telepresence - Remote Development Environments for Kubernetes Teams
Which gives me slightly more information. It's maybe devops-ish more than general computing. But probably on-topic for SO. At least the tag. I'm still not quite sure about the question.
@HenryEcker oh, you're right, sorry. It is C++ that uses the :: syntax
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14:18
@TylerH not about programming and not about a developer tool
14:55
@richardec What, you're not still using Vista?
user17242583
@GeneralGrievance lol
@GeneralGrievance "Still"? Why would anybody upgrade from XP?
user17242583
15:29
That's my last one for today. More tomorrow :)
user17242583
17:28
Which was uploaded to a 6-hour-old repository by a 20-day-old GH account.
user17242583
Another of their repos contains "malware samples".
Are red-flags left pending for mod evaluation if the post is deleted for a different reason?
17:44
@HenryEcker No.
@Makyen Thanks!
17:59
opinions about this? I'm guessing it's a duplicate anyway stackoverflow.com/questions/20563433/…
Dupe was linked as the first comment
agreed, voted accordingly
Is something like this answer worthy of mod-flagging? The comments were copied from the source documentation, but the code part is original.
18:15
waffles
I misread the code part
Isn't the code (almost) copied from the question and added the also copied explanation?
@GeneralGrievance Yes, I mod-flagged it. Posts are required to show attribution when copied from another source
the mod may decide if it's worth deleting or editing the post based on other information (like if the user has a history of doing that, etc.)
19:34
sigh. My own security team's manager is using and emailing Word documents with .doc file extension still...
We have had .docx for 15 years...
19:51
@tony19 probably a dupe of this one?
20:12
@TylerH pls bin my last request, I misread update as database update, sorry
@TylerH @Vickel binned per your request
thanks
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20:30
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6838255 I would like to reclose this question with a better duplicate (and take advantage of the modern infobox system, replacing the old one). I was involved in the original closure, so while I can reopen the question unilaterally, I would not be able to close it again. Could I please get some assistance with this?

ref. post on meta: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/418439
20:58
Cask-Conditioned Spam?
does any of you folks have a handy link to some meta thread that explains that duplicate closure applies to different questions with same answer?
I can't seem to find the canonical
beside this one
or is that the canonical...?
There's this answer on Meta.SE, which has, Questions may be duplicates if they have the same (potential) answers. This includes not only word-for-word duplicates, but also the same idea expressed in different words.
thanks, looks perfect
21:18
@AdrianMole ooh, didn't know I needed that. Thanks :)
(the common pattern I've noticed: people want to close "how do I solve X problem" with "do Y", and there is a question like "why does doing Y solve X?")
@HenryEcker unless, IIRC, that different reason is self-deletion. But that may have been reverted; I don't recall the current state of that change.
@HenryEcker thank you for the assist, btw
@KarlKnechtel NP :)
@RyanM Thanks. I would hope that self deletion couldn't clear red-flags like that.
@KarlKnechtel I was looking for that thread because someone disputed a dupe closure while at the same time admitting that the answer on the other side was indeed helpful
I mean... that's the entire point of closing dupes...
21:40
But the fact that the answer to one question also answers another doesn't necessarily mean the questions are duplicates. I mean, consider the answer, "Turn it off and on again..."
user17242583
Wow, rodgort.sobotics.org/progress?metaQuestionId=410740 is really a cool page. I also didn't know about the burnination rules, e.g. closing a question basically removes it from the list. Tomorrow when I get my CVs back I'll devote them to the queue!
99% of the time, though,
I'm talking about questions that are reasonably similar
21:52
Sure. A C++ answer that explains why going out of bounds in a std:vector is a problem, and that using .at(i) is better than [i] is equally well applicable to a question about std::array (or many other container types).
yeah, something on that line. Actually the close banner already uses the correct wording: "This question already has answers here:"
...unsurprisingly. Like it is unsurprising that some users believe dupe-closure applies only to mirror-identical questions
Otherwise, folks would complain that the target isn't the same because it uses j as the loop variable but my question uses i.
I mean, is a fiord the same thing as a fjord?
Is a j the same thing as an i?
22:08
Possibly. I think when Swedish people get drunk (or change their nationality to Danish), they implicitly convert all 'j' to 'i'.
... and the ancient Romans didn't seem to care too much about the difference. :)
23:08
@RyanM Please bin my cv-pls from chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/54670338#54670338. Thanks!
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@blackgreen It might be a dupe of that, but the solution there is to use a flag to force the install of an incompatible package, which would only lead to other runtime errors. I see the issue now that the error message is formatted properly, so I'll just post the answer for the OP.
is github blacklisted? or does the bot take issue with the snippet somehow
as a result of editing in the snippet then, I guess. That part should be removed as part of creating a proper MRE anyway; it doesn't seem like OP intended to spam
23:45
TIL if a mod casts a Spam flag, undeletes and unlocks the post, then casts a Rude or abusive flag, it subtracts 200 rep rather than 100...whoops. Not my intent there.
Is there any reason why login sessions on Data SE only last less than a day? It's so annoying...
They're invalidated every time it's redeployed. There's an MSE post about it, I believe.
It is, in fact, very annoying.
That's... an interesting choice of a deployment strategy :|

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