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00:00
Needs Details or Clarity, I would say. "a logic operator" means something way different from an entire expression (or even statement), and it isn't clear why OP wants to do this or in what context
wow, question standards were way different back then
user17242583
(@Karl FYI you sent two duplicate messages ;)
yes, I had connection issues and it sent twice
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@KarlKnechtel Yeah I know...check the Graveyard to see my recent del-pls requests... ;)
POB = personal opinion-based?
@KarlKnechtel Primarily opinion based
00:06
right
@KarlKnechtel That question doesn't appear to have any recent activity.
@KarlKnechtel Nor does this one.
are we supposed to be leaving ancient, untouched stuff alone even if it's bad? o_O
For SOCVR requests the answer is yes.
For closing old questions, yeah, there needs to be some harm being caused now for it to be eligible here. One example would be if it's being explicitly used as an example to justify new off-topic questions.
00:58
We handle new and exceptional crap here, not run of the mill old crap.
The actual list of reasons is not specified, but there needs to be some reason to close it now, in addition to the usual close reason.
2 messages moved to SOCVR /dev/null (no recent activity)
@KarlKnechtel Specifically, see the third bullet point under here
Basically, the issue is trying to spend the room's limited number of close votes as effectively as possible, given the vast number of closeable questions on the site.
so it's not a site-policy reason not to coordinate such an effort, people just have different priorities here, okay
I probably don't need to drop by here in general then, honestly
Are you mostly focusing on older questions?
 
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02:42
"It is better if you ask for a single resource per answer. Than the answers can properly be sorted by votes to reveal the best one. SO questions are meant to work that way." - Comment on a question seeking resources.
I mean comments had only been around for 12 days when that comment was made so they were probably still getting the hang of it.
Also the irony of the top scored answer being one of the only to include multiple resources
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02:57
Does anyone know who user1228 was? It seems like they were a moderator, and their name was "Will", but I was never able to find a meta post regarding them...
03:23
@richardec they were appointed after the 2010 moderator election as a runner-up
@Bill Skeet is obviously a bot designed by Google to suck all the rep from SO. But I'm afraid his power level is way too high for any mere mortal to touch him and not be sucked into his event horizon. — user1228 Jul 10, 2010 at 4:19
That's a gem of a comment
user17242583
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Interesting! I only searched on MSO - I didn't think to search on MSE. Is there any post detailing how/why/when he left?
@richardec Also sometimes "Won't" :-p
user17242583
Yeah...I recall seeing that name and I just got it ;)
03:47
@richardec last known activity before deletion in early October, 2019. Guess what also happened at that time [all implications are purely coincidental]
I've never had the pleasure of talking to Will, but I get the impression that he would out-snark any member of the current mod team, which is quite a feat.
Given, y'know, Cody and I.
04:25
@RyanM something tells me you might be right :)
05:06
stackoverflow.com/a/72429306/4826457 NAA? or R/A (trolling)?
@SurajRao It's probably trolling. On it's own, I might give the benefit of doubt and consider it only NAA (and mark red flags helpful or dispute them).
05:43
stackoverflow.com/a/72429561/4826457 spam? It doesnt exactly address the problem in the question
06:35
How to handle this low quality duplicate answer on 10 year old question apart from down vote? Flagging does not seems proper way as it IS an answer and does not exactly match the description of VLQ as well. Not sure how moderators respond to duplicate answers.
06:54
a recent SD post is sitting at -1 and will roomba in 10 days but will link to a possible spam site until then, are we adamant that it needs -2 before I can del-pls? It was closed as lacking details or clarity
in this case it might be worth it to edit the potential spam link out?
but if it's really spam, you should flag as such
undecided, not sure it's worth editing it out either; deleting it seems like the safest option as it simply removes the problematic content without drawing further attention to it
@tripleee Maybe a del-pls request is possible anyway, see FAQ rule #11: "That means del-pls requests are permitted for closed questions which have been closed for more than 2 days, or which have a score less than or equal to -2;"
I think what they're saying is that it doesn't qualify under #11
but it was only closed earlier today
07:00
Maybe it will accumulate more downvotes and then be eligible
@AmitJoshi Related: What to do with new answers that just repeat old ones? If you want to flag, then a custom flag is your best chance. Once it's eligible for a del-pls request in here, that may be a good choice.
Good morning guys (at least in my timezone), are questions about class diagrams on topic? Because I found this one and I don't think it belongs on SO: stackoverflow.com/q/72128904/5515060
Looks like it at least needs details or clarity, but I guess it will Roomba eventually anyway (negative score, no answers)
07:15
^ agreed
 
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11:41
:54662048 all three answers seem rather low quality; text was copied from an existing answer + spam link added
this question looks like a senseless mess or trolling: stackoverflow.com/q/72432767 Self-answer is no better, piece of text copied from help center, with rather spammy link
@gnat Looks like a candidate for a flag-pls R/A request
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12:45
@blackgreen Does changing Can you suggest a way, a book, a blog post, a tutorial, something to realize this? to Can you suggest a way to realize this? make this question acceptable?
thx for replays is a new salutation for me
@dbc it's an improvement, although it still sort of lacks focus. I read the question as the OP asking how to model some JSON but with a broad open-ended problem statement instead of pointing out a specific issue
which is why my original cv-pls message reads external resources slash needs focus
 
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14:30
I fed the queue with questions.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Let the anti- behaviour commence.
@VLAZ I urge you to ly distance yourself from this tag immediately
14:51
The tag is being burninated: Open Qs - Close Queue - Meta CW
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I'd participate but I'm feeling anti-social
15:51
This seems opinion-based to me. Thoughts? stackoverflow.com/questions/1038006/…
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@miken32 Seems like it to me. The title may just be misleading and the OP wants to know how to translate their specific pattern into code, but in that case I'd close it as "needs more focus", so it should probably be closed either way.
user17242583
That whole question should be deleted, right now.
As a sanity check: this is NAA, right?
Seems like a bunch of marketing speak with one link that seems to be relevant to the question. Yet the link is dead.
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@VLAZ yeah, it looks like a link-only answer to me.
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18:24
What do we do when a question isn't eligible cv-pls but I can't close it myself because my close vote aged away?
user17242583
I can next VTC it on Jun 13th...
19:25
@richardec I usually just wait it out and cast a CV again. At some point if the vote expires a second time, I'll let it go and move on. The purpose of the "recent activity" rule of SOCVR is to focus close votes on stuff that is bringing about some problems, e.g. new NAAs, new spam, etc. That post hasn't had activity for 9 years, it doesn't look like in urgent need of moderation
20:03
@richardec Sounds like you have the answer there
If a post is ineligible for closure but you think it should be closed badly enough, you can bring it to Meta.
I've binned the link to the question because the way this was discussed is tantamount to circumvention of the rules in order to get votes on the post anyway (even if that was not your intent)
@richardec keep in mind that requests here are not for posts you "want" to be closed or deleted, but rather posts you think don't belong on the site/cause harm by being open. You don't necessarily have to have the highest standards in those terms, but definitely don't post a request here just because you personally want the question gone. As I have said before, the room is not anyone's personal closure/deletion service.
20:56
(In my own defence, I was on mobile and the question has neither or , so one can maybe see why I was - and still am - a bit confused.)
FYI - I voted to reject as "deviating from the OP's intent". Qt::method() versus Qt.method() is language-specific.
@AdrianMole I think it is a fine edit; those are not method calls btw, but parameters inside a method call. OP probably just recalled from memory or brain-farted when writing . instead of ::
I Smokey confused by that last report because of the non-standard code-block delimiters?
@AdrianMole No, there was non-visible gibberish
@Dharman OK.
at the end of the post
probably to meet text length requirements for the code
21:04
@TylerH But what of the Qt.AlignTop in this answer?
Does anyone understand what that question is actually asking for?
@AdrianMole I see what you mean. Yeah the Q needs more details then
since C or C++ would use . and Python would use ::
FWIW, I'm not especially bothered (now) that the edit was either approved or rejected. I just wanted some input to either confirm or deny my own review ... which I got, so thanks. :)
... and someone to quote if it comes up on Meta. ;-)
Given OP accepted an answer that uses the :: Python-friendly syntax you could be forgiven for assuming all answers ought to be in Python-friendly syntax
but I'd rather get some explicit clarification from OP
so let me whip up a seance and bring them back to the site...
21:10
@TylerH We seem to be talking "base-about-apex" here. The edit changed . to ::
@AdrianMole I don't know what 'base-about-apex' means
Upside-down, back-to-front, or, more generally, talking at cross-purposes or misunderstanding.
@IanCampbell The question appears to be under discussion on Meta, based on the comments
so it is off-limits here
Bleh, I'm so blind. Could you bin that?
@AdrianMole Well, I know you are referring to an answer that had a suggested change from . to ::. I was saying the OP of the question accepted an answer which uses the :: syntax
So, given some confusion between . and ::... an edit changing the former to the latter could be 'forgiven' (not really the best word, perhaps) for trying to 'fix' the syntax of an answer
Maybe that clears things up?
21:14
@TylerH Ah, OK. I thought you were suggesting that I could be forgiven for rejecting the edit.
@AdrianMole Ah, no. There is no forgiving that :-)
user17242583
@TylerH Right, I don't want to do that. Does it seem like I'm doing that? The questions I'm linking here just seem generally worthless.
@richardec I can't speak for anyone else but to me you do seem to have something of an eagerness to get questions closed/deleted when you post *-pls requests here... like you are anxious when they don't get completed, or completed in a timely fashion. I would recommend thinking of the room as a more "passive" workflow. Think "whatever will be, will be"... if a request gets completed here, cool. If not, also cool.
@richardec Not speaking on behalf of the ROs, of course, but it seems to me that you have 'recently' become a very active curator and are still exploring the fine details of the rules and modus operandi of this room. If you get 'bitten' from time to time, then I wouldn't take it too personally; just accept the learning curve. (We all make mistakes, from time to time.)
... accusing TylerH of making a bad review is far worse than anything you've ever done! :)
user17242583
@AdrianMole Thank you; I have recently tasted curation and am enjoying it, but I don't know all the ins and outs yet :)
user17242583
21:29
@TylerH I do like to get my requests done with fast...but it's not like it's terribly important. I'll work on being more patient :)
If you ever feel yourself getting anxious about it in the future, my advice is to remind yourself "no one has an obligation to act on my *-pls". That worked for me when I was new here
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21:45
@richardec weird, this question had a delete vote before I del-pls request, but then it was removed. ?
@TylerH I think you have those languages backwards. Python doesn't allow double colon anywhere except in the case of extended slicing, certainly not for member access. The accepted answer is also not python (void is not a python keyword).
user17242583
22:03
er, that's annoying, but I can using CHQ
22:19
@richardec I would encourage you to vote to delete on your own requests. You have the privilege to vote to delete, but I know that 8 votes is not a lot. I used to limit my requests to however many votes I had available so that I could also vote on my own requests.
user17242583
@Dharman Okay, if think so. So I should only submit del-pls when I can VTD as well?
Just a reminder, that Ryan had also mentioned not making del-pls without voting on them here and here
@richardec I don't think it's a rule, but it would be highly advised.
user17242583
I guess if I don't there will be no limit to the number of requests I submit... :)
user17242583
Jeanne's message here lead me to think otherwise, but I guess it's become a habit...
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22:25
But anyone, being told twice is enough, so despite this be fun (for me at least :), I'll restrain myself to old request when I can vote myself.

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