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@bad_coder This both does not appear to meet the recent activity requirement for a cv-pls and it appears to be part of an active burnination effort.
@HenryEcker See the conversations here and here for more info
@HenryEcker Those are part of a burnination and I was out of CVs when I posted the request. It isn't reasonable to ask reviewers to waste time on the same Q twice when one already evaluated it.
@HenryEcker btw, care to post a request for this anonymous language post?
@HenryEcker yup, link 1 permits my request.
@bad_coder I disagree "Many of the questions that get closed during burnination have no recent activity and don't qualify. They also don't require expedited closure." applies to both of the posts you've cv-pls for and there is sufficient traffic due to the burninnation effort.
Though I am not an RO so one might disagree with that assessment.
@bad_coder I'm not sure how that's related
00:24
I'm really uncertain on what to do with this question as part of the burn. It borders on spam (but is disclosed, but if a self-answer would have killed it) but seems a legit question but the only answer is someone selling their product so I'm not sure how useful it is. I'm leaning toward closing but not really sure what reason to give.
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@DanielWiddis It looks to me not programming-related either...I voted to move it to SF, but SU might be appropriate as well.
@DanielWiddis It looks like it's seeking recommendations to me
@DanielWiddis Also the answer is spam given that OP doesn't explicitly disclose their affiliation (and it's a paid product)
I agree with recommendations. Looking for a solution like Hotspot shield but that supports multiple countries
@Nick Yeah, I guess that's a reasonable VTC reason (though I think @richardec is also correct). The answer does appear to disclose author's affiliation though. Paid or not.
I think "shameless plug" might have been enough disclosure when the answer was posted 12 years ago
00:30
@HenryEcker Yep. My thought too.
Maybe so... it could still be the product of the "friends with the same problem" rather than OP
Everyone's got their side gig. :D
@HenryEcker how many requests have you posted in SOCVR?
So there are two such answers 1 and 2 from the same day and no other links to that tool
if it's not even their product, that makes the disclosure irrelevant, @Nick. But that it is is pretty obvious from the "plug" part, without any clairvoyance. Sucks as it is, no self-promotion rule was broken here.
00:34
@HenryEcker it's 136? This is my trackrecord...
@bad_coder Again I'm not sure what this relates to
@HenryEcker OK, so in a nutshell... One or two years ago this subject was enquired about and RO's clarified their position more than once. I'm not an RO and I always acquiesce to their rulings.
@HenryEcker well, then allow me to try and explain... The rule about "old inactive posts" is a precept, a strong guideline, a principle, a rule of thumb, etc....
It's constantly important that there be that rule, otherwise there'd be nothing written against someone swamping the room with old inactive posts when there's a daily incoming avalanche (which takes precedence)...
@bad_coder Is this regarding the question I asked about? It wasn't a cv-pls, and the meta post for the burn specifically mentions this room as a place to ask questions.
But, (and let me stress that conditional clause but) among the regulars if say you post 1 (or 2) old inactives (because you'd like to see that post closed) per say 50 legit Qs of daily maintenance you're handling... Then that's nothing really out of the ordinary, nothing the regulars would be giving you a hard time about.
@DanielWiddis No I think it's about these 2 cv-pls (1, 2) and my comment
00:39
@DanielWiddis don't worry about it, it's ok.
@HenryEcker in a nutshell, there's always been a tacit agreement to abide by the rules and get things done. If there's the occasional rare exception, that's sort of the curators prerogative.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I think you may have misunderstood my point, which was that if you could interpret the post as indicating that the product was someone else's when it was actually OPs, then that is not proper disclosure. I guess I could have written it more clearly...
@bad_coder Okay. I really don't know what you're looking for from me. Nor any of the conversation about track record.
My intention was only to point out to you in case you were unaware that about a week ago at least 3 room owners and 3 moderators all said they were not looking for *-pls to be made for tags under burnination in this room
And that you made two cv-pls requests which fell into that category.
@HenryEcker well, I could say you started by inquiring about my requests...
I wish there was a Migrate this to meta CV reason.
@HenryEcker and I appreciate your concern and that you're reminding me of the rules.
@HenryEcker yes... but if on occasion (like a curator runs out of votes, so posts 1 or 2 requests) experience has shown that the curator likely has strong reasons to do so. What I believe the RO's where saying in the other case, was a reminder not to make an habit of it.
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00:47
@DanielWiddis I'm fairly sure there used to be a way to migrate questions to meta and a few other sites (SU, SF, DBA, Stats...), but now I can't seem to find it.
@richardec Yeah, but migrating a question posted in 2016 seems fruitless :)
@DanielWiddis lol I asked eariler about that post. IMO lets just retag and leave it be.
@bad_coder I VTC because OP added a comment explicitly saying they meant to ask on meta. It has no value outside of SE network.
@richardec They are disabled because the question can no longer be migrated
00:49
@DanielWiddis ouch, that's another problem. SEDE questions are on-topic on SO and on MSE. I was thinking if I was going to loose the time to check for a duplicate of that post, but I'm for just retagging to save the effort...
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@HenryEcker Ah, makes sense. Constantly forgetting about the nuances of migration... ;)
@Nick well, I went off the "it could still be the product of" message, so yeah, this is a bit clearer. I agree that implying that the product is not yours breaks the proper disclosure. That said, I do not find this particular post doing so - it takes a lot of effort to interpret it as implying that it's "friends" or "others" who made the service, especially in context. I don't like any form of blatant self-promotion in posts, but still prefer that we do not try to lawyer-out their deletion.
@HenryEcker you have to appreciate that frequently the room mixes users who joined last week with users who spent every day of the last few years in here.
given that spam deletion comes with significant consequences to the poster, I prefer to be very careful and err on the side of being innocent until proven guilty
So, the old and inactive clause has a tacit margin, you can rarely on occasion post one such post if you want (perhaps the main problem is if someone's in the room who won't appreciate that exception for what it is, an exception that doesn't change anything in the routine.)
 
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01:56
This hit the LQA queue. I thought for sure it was an audit. It wasn't. Why?!
@DanielWiddis "This answer was flagged as low-quality because of its length and content." seems to imply a VLQ auto but I also wonder why
I also would've assumed audit there
Yeah, maybe it was "too long"? :D
I actually had typed out a "most obvious audit ever" post here.... and then... it wasn't.
Perhaps, also no code. I don't know what the rules are for an auto flag there
I'm sure this is part of the algorithm.
02:17
There are several comments claiming that the answer doesn't answer the question, and one of the comments says that makes it not an answer. Maybe one of the users raised a flag on it based on that reasoning?
@cigien Yeah, looking at it later I suppose a flag may have sent it there.
Yeah I can understand someone putting a NAA or VLQ flag on a wrong answer (I know it happens all the time).
My question is though does that banner appear over answers that are manually flagged by users?
It turns out that the answer is yes the message always appears whether flagged automatically or manually flagged.
A quick search on MSO indicates that all posts in LQP have that banner, including ones flagged by users. It's an old post though, so things may well have changed. The review queues have definitely changed substantially since then.
ninja'ed :)
It's okay yours was better because it had a link. :) If that is still the case it seems like a waste of space in the UI.
 
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03:49
star pattern weekend homework?
 
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06:05
@Vega The accepted answer to this question was posted by one of the top Java experts at Stack Overflow. In the light of this I don't think it's sleazy to bend the ordinary standard practices for reviewinig an otherwise POB question.
06:29
^ Not spam but not really good, either
07:51
@CodyGray If you follow this rule too far, that might trip you up ;-)
huh just got enlightened and nice answer badge for a CW answer. stackoverflow.com/a/53167971/4826457 Is that a bug?
oh thanks
08:17
@karel You mean we can keep the question open?
08:43
@HenryEcker I just deleted both questions. Tend to agree that the affiliation is at least somewhat disclosed, and also I don't feel like investigating whether something done ten years ago might be spam when the questions can just be deleted for being off-topic and the answers not really contributing anything beyond links.
@desertnaut does it still lack MRE after edit?
09:26
@SurajRao I guess not; retracting VTC
@RyanM please dump my request here - OP added info chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/54525136#54525136
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, per request
 
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Can someone come up with a costum close reason for this post?
Out of CVs.
Can I get another opinion on this? I'm reading this post as an R/A rant against the site/trolling, but I'm not 100% sure partially due to bad grammar.
12:52
One of those spams managed to reach me in the First Questions review queue, today. I had to flag it very quickly to get my "review points". :)
I like the red balloon emoji most of all others that have been used by spammers. Should I call the number to tell them to only use those?
@GeneralGrievance It's now been deleted, but I think it was bad enough to be considered R/A especially due to apparently naming and accusing a real person.
Good to see they're trying lots of different number formats and they're all being caught... but what if there were red balloons in the number???
@AdrianMole Before someone else reviews it and chooses "Looks ok"? ;)
Hm... "Phone number in title" doesn't appear for those funny number characters.
12:58
@JeanneDark Yeah, obviously. By the time I had scrolled down enough to actually see the "flag" button, it had already reached a -4 score. I just managed to flag, refresh and select "other action", before it nuked. :)
13:31
@NickstandswithUkraine Thanks for the heads up
@TylerH I just came across one of your cousins :)
@bad_coder I'm not sure what situation brought about this discussion, but this statement is not really accurate. Room regulars don't get a perk of us 'looking the other way' for requests that violate our requirements, even if it's occasional rather than common. It should be noted that there are exceptions to the '6 month recent activity' rule, but they are explicitly enumerated in the FAQ (e.g. "this question is being used to justify the asking of other off-topic questions").
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Any cases where we've allowed a bog-standard (e.g. no other exceptions) request that violated the 6 month rule I have to assume were cases where we just didn't notice/realize it.
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14:31
@TylerH yes exactly!! The exception list is thorough enough!
@TylerH what I meant to say was that I go slow even on the exceptions, using them sparingly.
@TylerH worth mentioning, on occasion when I've posted requests that were clearly within the exceptions of the 6 month rule. One user (and it was always the same guy) made a point of calling me out on it, which is a convenient pretext to give someone a hard time trying to force them into justify every such request they post.
The "hard time" they give you could simply be defused by saying "it's being used to justify asking bad questions"
@Braiam good point, next time I'll copy-paste the exception to cut the argument short. Exactly the kind of solution I was looking for, that's a great idea!!
The evidence, i. e. link to someone using the very question to justify posting likewise unsuitable questions, needs to be supplied, too.
@JeanneDark Yes, was typing this up in twice as many words, thank you :-)
14:59
@JeanneDark linked question list should be sufficient evidence (if it's numerous).
@JeanneDark the annoying part is if you curate low-traffic tags and someone uses the pretext to have you justify every request you post. If they're going to antagonize you in every instance, given the effort it is to explain then it's easier to just not curate (defeating the whole purpose just to pick on someone).
@bad_coder I think implicitly accusing one or more SOCVR regulars of using "the pretext to have you justify every request you post" is a bit on the spiteful side. Best to assume good intentions with others in this room.
@AdrianMole it's not spiteful, assuming good intentions (bonna fide in Latin) is when the intent hasn't been made clear - there's a difference between good faith and naïvity. (This would be the conceptual answer).
@AdrianMole after one same user's picked the same argument with another over a dozen times, well there's an issue.
I put credit on the peaceful guy who doesn't pick arguments.
Hmm. I may think that the Universe/world has something personally against me because rain falls so often on my head. Then I realize that it's also falling on other people's heads, too.
Moral of the story: Buy an umbrella. :)
15:23
@AdrianMole the naturalist analogy is a literary classic of the early 20th century. Although your sentence is the rain/sun pair of Mt 5:45
I was thinking more of Bob Marley and the Wailers: When the rain falls, it don't fall on one man's house ... remember that.
@AdrianMole or move further down South
@AdrianMole pass me the good Scotch will you? Or should we go for an Irish today?
It's raining. Maybe I'll stay in. ;)
15:31
@AdrianMole in honor of our US friends we'll go bourbon then!! (cc @Vickel)
@bad_coder The linked question list is not guaranteed to include the question. Someone might include a link that the system doesn't detect and add to the linked list. And we shouldn't have to go hunt for it. Like any other part of justification for requests, you presumably already know that information, so we should not have to go hunt for it.
Aguardente Velha will do very stylish as well :)
@bad_coder If someone is harassing you here in the room over legitimate requests, please let ROs know. If someone is harassing you outside of the room, let ROs or a moderator know.
@TylerH you're right, and I'll go with that (yes it's good form including a brief rational in the request hinting at the exceptions to the 6 month rule)!
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15:35
@TylerH just as an FYI, non-native speakers of English are likely to have a very hard time with identifying harassment. Maybe you'll be surprised to know I rarely hear the word mention and with the exception of sexual harassment there isn't even an established legal framework for harassment in most of the world.
@bad_coder One example for such a request: [tag:cv-pls] [tag:css] POB; being used to [justify other off-topic questions](link to new off-topic question) <link to *-pls request>
@bad_coder Sure, you can substitute "consistently bothers me about this kind of valid request" for "harassment"
Luckily all of the room owners are familiar with the term/concept of harassment at least in terms of enforcing a rule against it, so if you are bothered by someone's behavior toward you, let us know :-)
@TylerH ok, I'll think about a convenient way to write such requests.
@TylerH will do, but it's hard wrapping my head around it. If I hadn't met US nationals online I wouldn't even know the concept exists and is actionable.
In effect, you have a right not to be bothered here when you are doing nothing wrong. In general conversation you can ask someone to stop @-mentioning you or referencing you and the room rules (and site rules in general) state that your request should be honored.
In terms of you posting active requests, it's a bit different; everyone in the room has a right to address a request they find problematic/suspicious. But if you can show they are valid/within the rules, then others should accept that. If someone repeatedly addresses your requests with criticism even if you are showing that each is valid, that indicates a pattern of harassment, which is against the site and room rules (and sometimes illegal here in the US and many western countries).
15:53
@TylerH this is a very peaceful formulation, I like it! I will do and thank you for taking the time.
16:07
Nice, just earned the badge.
Although remains my rarest badge by a margin of about 40 people compared to that one
16:25
@Cristik Actually that seems like a common issue for learners of Swift. And the close reason seems inaccurate... what's POB about it, I wonder
If the question of how to write a function with and without void types doesn't exist on SO yet this could become a good canonical
agree about the close reason, don't agree about keeping it :) but as always, I might be too harsh on some questions :)
the question is either a typo, or unclear - why should one expect that code to work?
Why does anyone expect code to work when they are learning a language and encounter an error after trying to compile it :-)
They don't know the requirements
This is basic, yes, but basic questions are valid on Stack Overflow, so long as they have not been asked/answered before.
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plus, this is the first SO google search result for "swift Unexpected non-void return value.": stackoverflow.com/questions/38469648/…
(though we can and should still downvote for low effort)
a question asked about 6 months earlier
16:34
@TylerH But if someone posts requests that seem to violate the rules (no activity in the last 6 months) without mentioning or giving evidence for why it's an exception several times, it would not be harassment to notify them every time of the request being against the rules, would it? I don't think that's harassment because providing the reason and evidence upfront is duty of the cv-pls requester.
@Cristik That's a good find. I am OK with deleting the other one now (though let me link to the canonical first)
"Please do not downvote me. I'm just a junior. thanks" :)
that's effectively, for all intents and purposes, an invite to downvote :)
16:50
@Cristik "-1 because this is a question a sophomore would ask, not a junior."
Has the font changed recently? As in, the last hour or so?
Font of posts on Main, I mean. Particularly the code snippets.
maybe you're looking through @CodyGray's glasses?
jps
jps
I just close voted question as a duplicate of this, (8 years old, 600 upvotes, 15 answers and noticed, the new question is an exact copy of the question that I suggested as a dup target.
@jps That is plagiarisme
Yup. Flag it.
jps
jps
16:56
ok, flagged.
too bad there isn't a "plagiarism" kind of flag, though I can envision that flag being abused a lot
jps
jps
But still strange, they saw that old q/a with 15 answers and still didn't find an answer, but also did not mention that there is still something unanswered for them in that q/a.
@jps human brain is a strange one...
Why do people, when finding a post with 5 pages of answers, think their new answer is somehow going to say something that hasn't been said?
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i mean it's entirely possible that it does... but...
@KevinB do you really expect people to read 5 pages of answers? :) they rarely read 2
17:00
@jps I'd guess trying to surf on the popularity of the 600 upvotes.
@KevinB nope, unlikely
jps
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@GeneralGrievance but collecting down/close and delete votes soon plus a word from a mod.
@Cristik 2 answers *
@jps you don't know what makes someone tick
i have seen people in the past admit to doing it for rep, post a new answer that's solving the problem in the same way as an old answer but throw in some "clever" language trickery to make it not 1:1 the same code but adds nothing new whatsoever to the original answer (it's more or less the same answer, only using a different method to do it that literally does the same thing)
like, instead of overriding the valueOf of an object, override the join of an array
17:03
@Braiam I was trying to be gentle :)
both of which only work because of coercion
and by that same extension you can take all of javascript's base objects and create "unique" answers using the same technique
@KevinB And I was arguing to moderators that an answer like that should be deleted, and they arguing that as long as it's not whitespace to whitespace copy they will do nothing.
I hate those kind of answers, and I also hate that I don't have enough time to prove they are basically copycats
like Oooo my new answer uses destructuring instead of the method that we used to use to copy arrays before destructuring existed
(but the question isn't about copying arrays...)
@KevinB but destructuring is such a nice concept, why would you pick on that?
or maybe I should've said a "niche concept"?
17:06
i personally hate destructuring
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, those "variations on a theme" answers are annoying :-( Also the "In my case I did <random action with no explanation as when / why it would work>"
They always start with "In my case..."
> For me, all i had to do to fix this was remove the semi-colon
or add it :)
idunno. I'm so far past giving a * about rep i can't really understand why other people do things for rep
i interact to help users and to improve the site. two goals, both of which can be accomplished at the same time
rep just encourages doing things that help one and not the other
If your decision to use the Staging ground is based on whether or not you'll gain rep for it, you're doing it for the wrong reasons and we need to ensure the "win" scenario helps toward our goals whether the user doing it cares about our goals or not
Freely editing at 2k is a pretty nice thing to have.
17:18
I do think editing vs suggested edits is a great example
it's limited to 2k rep, so even if you're the most experience editor, you can't freely edit until you reach a threshold... regardless of how many accepted edits you've suggested
where as I, who earned 2k rep before making my first suggested edit, can just freely edit..
a non-rep based solution would be a better fit for that system
You can also only gain 1k rep through suggested edits so it's not possible to gain the privilege purely by suggesting good edits
2 months to reach 2k
17:51
@JeanneDark That's correct, if they just say [tag:cv-pls] POB <link to question with no activity for 2 years> and don't explain that an exception is being used, others are within their rights to ask/bring up that it's not within 6 months.
In other words, if you are using an exception to the standard "6 months" rule, you should explicitly mention that in each request.
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@VLAZ The site now uses your OS font, so if your OS font has changed, the site's would change. Not that that's a common thing...
@TylerH Nothing changed on my machine. I hasn't even been restarted. Not the computer, nor the browser. No updates have been installed, either. Nor any software (which has a very slim chance of messing with global settings). Nor would have I done anything about system fonts.
Hence my question.
PS @Cristik re your edit here: stackoverflow.com/questions/38469648/… I reverted "began" to "begun". The correct participle here is begun, it is past perfect (e.g. "I have begun" vs "I began")
@VLAZ interesting, I am not sure then. I use a userscript to force the font back to what it was pre-change so I don't see changes if one was applied
They're probably inefficient since I opted for speed over quality and was annoyed while writing it, but here's my code for that:
header, header ol, div.topbar-dialog, .topbar-dialog .modal-content .message-text h4, div#content, div#question-header a, div.s-prose, span.comment-copy, div.summary *, footer, aside, div > div.tag-popup * {
    font-family: Arial, sans-serif !important;
}

body#chat-body, body#transcript-body {
    font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif !important;
}

code, pre, .post-editor textarea, .wmd-container textarea, div.post-layout > div > div.diffs > div div.markdown-diff *, .full-diff .content {
    font-family: Consolas, monospace !important;
applies to quite a few domains... SO, SE, SF, StackApps, Superuser, basically all the custom URL network sites
@VLAZ FWIW when I disable that userstyle the font seems to revert to what I'm expecting to see, which is Segoe UI on Windows 10
Hmm, I'm checking again and it does seem it's back to what it was before. Which is actually a shame - the changed font seemed better than before - it was more readable.
Perhaps that was a release and something with caching was happening.
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18:08
@GeneralGrievance OP's location is set to "Tunisia" - a French-speaking (or partially so) country, I believe, so I'd think the OP knows French.
19:11
There was a website that tracked the top flaggers on SO, anyone remembers the link?
@MarcoBonelli Yeah, flaggers.dharman.net but I haven't updated it
Updating it is a little annoying as the rate limit is making this run for many hours
@Dharman Oh it was yours, didn't remember. How do you get the stats? Just copy-paste JS into a SO page?
yeah
Got it
Yeah I've tried using that script once too, but of course I got instantly rate limited haha
19:25
Mods have the power to convert a NAA that is just asking for clarification into a comment, right? What if the user has <50 rep?
@MarcoBonelli Yes and I'm pretty sure that also works
Yeah that kinda makes sense, better than losing it I guess
@Dharman ugh, my work blocks that as 'adult', I forgot -_-
19:41
@TylerH what the fork lmao
@MarcoBonelli There is no reputation check when converting an answer to a comment (How did this person who has 1 rep comment on a question?)
@MarcoBonelli probably someone's username on the list
@TylerH oh, ok, I just noticed it's HTTP
AFAIK it just scans the contents of the page and decides to block it, or compares the domain name to similar things
20:21
ugh, just heard there is a new speeding camera on a highway I somewhat regularly drive on that will issue tickets to the registered owner of the car :-/ gross
Also apparently the O365 admin center just went back in time ~13 years, judging from the favicon that just got updated when I visited it today... i.sstatic.net/YNWAu.png
@JeanneDark there's a flaw to this reasoning, it's convenient in typos to include "see answer", or "see comment".... But for example, if you're posting a request on a 1k questions tag without any clear SMEs that can be checked by the reviewer with 1 click. How would you include that info in the request?
@JeanneDark there's also the point that I did in fact head-up requests including that info and got consistently asked to justify them anyway...
@bad_coder I don't see how this example is relevant to the topic at hand, which is about questions that haven't had activity for >6 months, not questions in a specific tag that might need an SME
@TylerH it's the "low-traffic", "few or no SMEs" exception to the 6 month rule.
@bad_coder Do you have a link to such a request and to a message asking you to justify? Feel free to post here and immediately delete; ROs can see deleted message
@bad_coder As far as I know the "low traffic" exception is subject to the 6 month rule
20:45
I'm actually a little confused about the wording of that entry in the FAQ, but it makes sense a second time around
@TylerH @bad_coder ignore the last @-ping, I was misreading it. The exception is "this tag is low volume and so was not put in front of enough eyes to get closed in time". However, I will state that this is probably the "riskiest" exception, because it's a pure judgment call in terms of the criteria. While I would recommend using it the least often of all the exceptions, I admit we don't have any strict/explicit criteria there beyond "low-follower tags were used"
Regardless, if you gave that reasoning and still got asked to justify it, at this point we're getting into "specific circumstance" situation so I'd need a link to a request and a follow-up message to say more
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How weird! I opened chat just now and found a blue "6" on my profile icon, on the left side, where I normally have a green number.
Chat flags to evaluate?
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I clicked it and it showed me two messages flagged as spam by six users, and it prompted me to agree or disagree...!?
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@HenryEcker Yeah, exactly. But why? They were in the Java room, and I'm not an RO there, much less a mod; I've never even sent a message there!
@richardec 10k rep users see normal chat flags
any 10k user in chat will get notified of a flag on any chat message on the server if it is a normal flag. Mod-only flags will only notify moderators, as usual.
20:58
I wonder what happens if Feeds gets chat banned
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@TylerH Hmm, strange. It makes me feel like a mod :P
user17242583
It would be that way for the main site too...
No, it's only chat
Community based moderation through privileges are an integral part of SE.
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but I thought I read somewhere that there was some kind of flag handling that a certain rep level got you on the main site?
21:07
Not currently. (Except for the indirect flag handling that happens from review queues)
There used to be a 10k flag queue which was removed
21:18
@richardec certain flags do send items to a review queue before reaching the moderator queue (if they aren't handled by then), such as the VLQ review queue
or whatever ti's called
LQP
Though we have a checkbox to ignore that timeout that we often use :-p
LQA is just answers. Wasn't LQA merged with LQQ or something to make LQP?
Other way around. LQP used to handle both, with a filter to pick which you wanted.
No. LQP was converted to LQA.
21:19
I think the change to LQA might be SO-only, though.
VLQ on questions now goes to ... dunno.
ah
I avoided such queues because of their reputation for working opposite to how they were described in the system
LQA now only ever has (can have) answers. In reality, it's effectively been that way for a while.
@AdrianMole Moderators, to decline as many as we can before they get auto-marked helpful by some other random action, I think.
It's a great system. /s
On SO only VLQ on questions go to Triage, VLQ and NAA on answers go to LQA
21:24
Ahhhh, that makes sense.
But where do VLQ on Qs og?
All other SE sites have everything go into LQP
og oggg og og
user17242583
Wow, downvoting answers really works to get rid of them!!
user17242583
21:25
I got rid of all these answers by one downvote: stackoverflow.com/questions/72178205/…
To quote the Great One: Your downvote is your greatest weapon.
@gnat I have edited this, perhaps it makes more sense now
user17242583
It's really true. Low-rep / new answers don't like their answers downvoted, so if you have a problem with one, don't hesitate to DV it! :P
I think it is answerable and on-topic now, though I also think it was clear enough to answer before...
People don't like downvoting because of the rep. cost. Silly.
user17242583
21:31
It is really silly, especially since 1 upvote will wipe out 10 answer downvotes, and usually it's not difficult to get several upvotes if you try
user17242583
@TylerH I agree with you that it isn't unclear; however, it's a duplicate. I'd like to reopen it and then close it as a dupe.
@richardec Oops. Apparently I was thinking the same thing. If there's something other than the ones I chose feel free to add it to the list.
@richardec cc @HenryEcker seems this is accomplished now... :-)
@TylerH @gnat I have binned this since it was reopened since your request was posted. You may re-request if you think it qualifies for deletion still, given the new circumstances
@MarcoBonelli I just started an update job, but I am afraid it will take few hours and probably crash many time. After processing 20 records it creashed already... so a good start.
21:46
Now, I'm off for the evening. Direct all your troubles to Dharman and Ryan M instead >:-P
@StephenOstermiller Migrated (I'm assuming any requests from you along these lines that are relatively recent - last day or two - and don't include requests for additional clarification are fine to migrate, please correct me if that's wrong)
@Cristik The moderators would love such a flag to be implemented. It would require a link to the source, which is missing more often than you'd expect from plagiarism flags...
We're pretty good at tracking the source down, but like...if you've already checked, save us the time, people ;-)
(sometimes we can't, in which case the flag gets declined with a request for the link)
Oh goodness yes. Flags about duplicate answers are the worst. So many that don't say what it duplicates.
(to be clear: please feel free to send us duplicate answer flags. just include a link to the thing it duplicates.)
@Dharman we'll see :')
@RyanM you are correct. Please migrate any requests for me to have people ask on webmasters that don't require clarification aren't marked as already answered
@TylerH your edit addressed my primary concern about it being unclear. Re-close that followed made it look like a useless dupe to me but I try to abstain of del-pls on duplicates in less familiar tags
22:39
I closed this, but can I get a second opinion? How to get members of a Windows group?
22:50
@Dharman seems well research, it's missing a language tag (liek PowerShell) if it's OS should be asked on SU if it's AD this tag seems suitable
I think I'll post a comment under the Q....
@DanielWiddis I've just realized the burnination is bottlenecked as a function of CVs...
@DanielWiddis like this time users participating started by focusing on closures, so as the days went by there was lots to retag... Now I'm going through the open Qs and most should be closed, so after running out of CVs for the day there isn't much point checking for retags because the results are all polluted by Qs needing closing.
At the current rate the burnination will complete in 40CVs/day... The review queue limit for the 3 users still focused on it.

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