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12:00 AM
@AdrianMole Yeah, I think regardless of the number(s), the title could do with an edit.
 
I can sent you one, in the mail, if you like. (A cat, not an edit.)
 
A cat that makes edits?
 
Now that would be a cool cat. :-)
 
I agree, halfer is pretty cool. :-)
 
I've definitely seen suggests suggested edits that appeared to be written by a cat. Posts, too.
 
12:04 AM
Anyway, that one was edited by a mole.
 
Wow, a star despite that glaring typo. I guess they were blinded by the diamond.
 
suggestive edits?
 
user17242583
who starred it?
 
No way to tell (at least, not without getting a staff member to query the database). Stars, like votes, are anonymous.
 
wasn't me.
 
user17242583
12:14 AM
But you could've figured it out: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/229913/…
 
Formerly, at least. They fixed that.
 
@richardec Hmm, that doesn't tell me anything.
 
user17242583
@RyanM Reference?
 
user17242583
@CodyGray it's one of the rare times where I happen to remember a meta post related a the current discussion...so I had to :P
 
Wasn't me, either. Looking at the active users in the room at the time, I think it was most likely ... Smoke Detector. :)
 
12:18 AM
@richardec The answer: For now, I've added "message starred" to the list of event types for which we don't send the user id to the client.
 
user17242583
@RyanM 🤦🏻
 
I understand your confusion. That's from way back in the old days, when staff members actually posted on Meta announcing they had fixed bugs.
 
user17242583
I read that, but somehow missed dont't
 
Does Python have a don't do ... while loop?
 
user17242583
Nope
 
12:24 AM
You have to import time-travel first.
 
user17242583
@CodyGray that would only work if travel were a builtin global...but then, I'm not sure about module subtraction :P
 
user17242583
@CodyGray actually I have a logger running I'd forgotten about
 
user17242583
looks like the user who starred that was 22656, whoever that is
 
That's a pretty low user number.
... or are chat ID numbers different from our main SO ones?
 
user17242583
12:32 AM
@CodyGray if you don't mind, could you send this message in SOBotics? @Queen add user 3889449 Marco Bonelli 2
 
@AdrianMole I have heard rumors that this is possible, but in practice I have never personally seen it.
I suspect it would only happen with profile/account merges.
 
user17242583
@AdrianMole nope, they're the same
 
@AdrianMole don't think so, from what I could see playing around with it recently
 
@richardec That's Jon Skeet, who I don't believe I've seen visit here...
 
user17242583
@RyanM lol, actually, wrong chatroom I guess! :) looks like the starrer's id is 17242583
 
12:43 AM
@richardec That's you.
 
@richardec Oh, module names aren't allowed to have plain-ASCII hyphens?
@AdrianMole They can be, but are often not.
@richardec Sorry, what? What are you asking me to do, and why?
 
@CodyGray You're a bot owner and Ryan wants to be recognised as a moderator
 
user17242583
@CodyGray Nope. Not any identifier.
 
Um... not Ryan. I think Ryan is trying to add someone else. But yeah, I guess I understand?
 
@CodyGray You can but you'd have to wrap it so by convention (and PEP8) guidelines underscores are encouraged instead.
 
12:47 AM
I mean, separately I would not mind bot owner access...
 
I was just imagining how I might kill two birds with this one stone.
But I confess I don't even know the syntax of that command, why there's a number after Marco's name, or what the number means. So... a moment...
 
user17242583
@CodyGray Marco wants to be added to Queen's (rather SOCVRFinder's) list so that he be notified, and none of us (including Ryan) are able to do it, but you are since you're a bot owner
 
@CodyGray Ah I got the transcripts mixed up
 
Which I guess would be something like @Queen add user 208273 Ryan M 4 or something?
 
@RyanM Sorry you need to be Tag owner to run this command (@Petter)
 
12:48 AM
...
 
user17242583
The number refers to the permission level - Hammer
 
Haha
 
Queen is watching you ... everywhere.
 
Well, isn't that nice, the adduser command isn't even documented in the commands list.
 
Although I wonder about the two-word names with spaces.
 
12:49 AM
@CodyGray nonono, you're supposed to just copy paste commands we give you, trust us /s
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user17242583
@RyanM I do to, but Petter seems to indicate it's fine: github.com/SOBotics/SOCVFinder/blob/master/…
 
Riiight. I was just about to step away, so you lot are going to have to either find another willing victim party, or wait for a couple of hours.
 
@CodyGray That's fine it's documented in the correct command list
 
@CodyGray see here it might help
 
I'm certainly happy to wait, but I'm not the one trying to actually do things, I was just trying to enable others ;-)
 
12:53 AM
Yeah no rush
 
 
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2:50 AM
@richardec In case this wasn't in jest: Yes, the user ID for the user who stared the message is sent to you if you are the one who starred or unstarred the message (i.e. you're informed that it's your own star). The username/user ID is not sent to the users who are not the one that starred the message.
 
3:05 AM
Heh - Interesting on that last SD report. Although the content is hidden because of the spam flag, the link in the comment is still in plain(ish) sight.
 
Not any more
 
^ :-) Now it shows that there is a comment that isn't there.
 
Schrödinger's comment
 
3:43 AM
And we're back
 
@mickmackusa Still haven't found the button to indicate that?
 
 
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5:30 AM
"Sounds like a fun assignment/project." People always say this, but it never does sound like that to me.
 
I love it when I get all of the actioned requests all carefully highlighted in blue, and then they just magically disappear.
 
You do know that there's a button that does that automatically, right?
 
Not when you're rate-limited... :-|
 
Oh, fun.
I was briefly worried you'd been manually selecting the messages all this time.
 
I will also do it manually at times because I use the Archiver script as a way to both clean up and identify requests that merit my attention. One script doing the job of two. Similar to, but opposite of, two moderators doing the job of one.
 
6:01 AM
How do you use it for the latter?
 
I run it to identify and mark all already-actioned requests, and then I go look for other requests that it didn't mark. I handle those, if appropriate, and, if handled, I mark them as blue. Then, I move the whole lot to the Graveyard.
 
Ah, nice. FWIW you could also use the URRS script for this, which will also look further back via search.
 
Yeah, that's what I meant about "one script doing the job of two", where the other one would be URRS. But I can never remember how to spell it, and always end up calling it USSR. Also, I've never bothered to install that one.
If I remember correctly, I found the Archiver first, found a workflow that worked for me, and stuck with it. :-)
 
 
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7:41 AM
@Vega We can't close an answer. Did you mean to link to the question?
 
@CodyGray Sorry, bad copy
 
Figured; thanks for correcting. You didn't even need magical mod powers. :-)
 
For a short time I had the magical power (of edition) :)
 
 
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9:19 AM
@CodyGray Found it. Used it. It doesn't do what I feel is necessary/beneficial.
 
10:09 AM
 
10:40 AM
 
@CodyGray That sounds like we are in agreement.
 
@JeanneDark I wonder if there is still time to stop the presses?
 
11:14 AM
That SD report was closed but to me it looks like spam (and tags edited). Isn't it spam?
 
@JeanneDark Yeah - Spam (there is a link about 2/3 down the post). Time for one of those controversial emails from the mods?
 
"Please don't add to spam posts"?
 
hmm... is this on-topic? If not: would it be suitable for Super User? Seems - in its core - like a question about sh
 
 
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12:53 PM
Actual comment I removed. Truncated for relevance
> This question is on-topic. (snip) Only on SO. Of course, there's some sort of incentive for admins to close questions. You're not a proper admin until you've closed at least a dozen questions.
So... congrats to the room. You're all proper admins now :P
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What is the preferred why to handle a new user posting two answers and the second should have been an edit on the first answer? stackoverflow.com/a/72142077/2943403
 
@StephenOstermiller For the question with images of code the proper answer: code in image, lol
 
@Machavity When you find out what the incentive is, can you please let us know? Thanks!
 
1:11 PM
@AdrianMole On chat.se, it's your global id, on mse is your mse id, and on so so's, AFAIK
 
@CodyGray I hear some people get jewelry. Or hats. Something like that.
 
2:03 PM
@Machavity "I closed a million questions and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"
 
I am an admin! 🥳
 
user17242583
@Makyen Thank you. It was in jest (I guess my jokes aren't obvious enough). However, I really appreciate that even when I send a careless message, after a while, a mod will carefully read it and reply informatively to it. :)
 
2:23 PM
@Dharman Please send your bank account details to The.Mole @ The.Stack.com, so that we can make arrangements for your monthly salary payments. :-)
 
user17242583
@CodyGray wow, you have so many extra buttons in that screenshot...
 
@Braiam (cc @AdrianMole @richardec @RyanM) This is inaccurate. Chat IDs are only indirectly related to main site user IDs. On both chat.SO and chat.MSE, the chat user ID tends to be the same as the user's ID on the associated main site, but it's not required to be identical and there are certainly instances where that's not the case. On chat.se, the chat user ID has effectively no relationship to any of the user's other IDs (e.g. my network ID is nearly 30 times larger than my chat.SE ID).
 
@richardec It's a userscript. Believe it or not, those extra buttons save us from having to click way more buttons...
 
user17242583
ah yes, I always forget about that. Well, whether they're useful or not, they certainly look cool, but I can see why they're useful :)
 
@Machavity Now, what evil can I do with that?
 
2:32 PM
@Braiam You can... close more questions! Because admins close questions, right?
 
3:09 PM
Is this question on-topic?
 
@cigien I would say that it isn't. Possibly on-topic for Server Fault, but not 100% sure even about that.
 
Ok, thanks.
 
@cigien You appear to have woken-up Smokey. :)
 
@AdrianMole shopify is a website, right? Might be something that is welcome on WebMasters but the whole how can it be so fast is not a good question. The answer is probably useless except for anecdotal evidence.
 
@rene Yeah. Opinion-based, at best.
 
3:20 PM
@Machavity wow it works
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@AdrianMole Actually, SD had already scanned the post, which is how I came upon it. (I should have added "SD report" to the request, sorry about that). richardec's edit to the question caused it to be rescanned, causing the additional reports.
 
Maybe we should just remove the question?
Actually it'll roomba now
 
user17242583
@HenryEcker I like to give a good downvote shower to those kinds of questions for roomba :)
 
@HenryEcker Possibly a bit of a spam-magnet? One answer today that is distinctly spammy. Deleting it now isn't gong to cause any harm, IMHO.
 
It's been closed so that addresses the spam-magnet issue
 
3:24 PM
Fair comment.
 
user17242583
So I didn't actually realize this: flagging as spam actually lowers the score in addition to downvoting!?
 
user17242583
Someone said that recently, but I didn't take it seriously...
 
21 hours ago, by Henry Ecker
@richardec red flags automatically reduce the post score by 1. If 6 users were to both flag and downvote you could (could) have a spam deleted post with 6 views and -12.
 
A spam flag tells the Community Bot to cast a downvote. You can add your own, if you so choose.
 
@richardec If you get your post deleted as spam you get -100 rep
 
user17242583
3:26 PM
I guess that explains away that someone who always manages to DV a spam post before I do though I get there when it's still 0-score :)
 
I think Community is one of the very few 'users' to have cast more downvotes than @Jeanne Dark. :-)
 
@AdrianMole I wonder if this means Community can cast multiple up/down votes per post or if there's a separate system
 
user17242583
I know about that, but I didn't know that the score is lowered as well. So I can basically cast 2 downvotes...which is pretty nice (nicer than 2 upvotes, if you ask me)
 
user17242583
@HenryEcker I was thinking about that - maybe it can
 
Downvotes are always nicer than upvotes.
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3:29 PM
@AdrianMole holy moly just checked Jeanne's profile and WOW
 
@HenryEcker Not sure. But it certainly 'absorbs' votes (up or down) from users whose accounts are removed but whose votes are considered worth preserving.
 
and I thought I was being "harsh" with my 1:3 up:down vote ratio
 
user17242583
@HenryEcker But my message yesterday, which prompted your message quoted above, indicated that the |score| of the spam question was 1 greater than the view count...which may indicate that Community did vote only once?
 
@MarcoBonelli She has cast more even than Cody. (There maybe a hint, there, Mr Moderator. ;) )
 
No every red flag attracts a reduction of score by 1. That is how the system works whether or not that means Community itself casts multiple downvotes on the same post or there is some other mechanism
 
3:31 PM
So I heard you were talking about downvotes.
 
E_net4 likes downvotes?
 
@AdrianMole I actually didn't know Community also upvoted things. When/why does it do that?
 
I'm talking about upvotes
 
@MarcoBonelli It absorbs responsibility for preserved votes from deleted/removed accounts
 
3:34 PM
@Dharman I thought everyone knew that already.
 
@HenryEcker oh... so if an account that voted on an answer of mine is deleted I lose the reputation, but not the vote? Is that it? Or maybe I keep both in such case.
 
If staff decide that the votes should be preserved when deleting an account, you won't get your lost rep. back.
 
TIL about that
 
... it's swings and roundabouts. Would you like to have your downvote losses reversed if that also meant losing your upvote gains?
 
So Community has upvotes that give 0 rep? lol
 
3:36 PM
No... if the votes are kept, the rep is kept.
 
@AdrianMole I'm not really debating any rule, I'm just courious
@CodyGray (ok that makes more sense to me)
 
When accounts that have cast a relatively large number of votes are deleted, those votes are transferred to the Community user in order to prevent excessive disruption of scores/rep.
 
Curiosity killed Cody's Cat. And he has never replaced it, since.
 
You're telling me glasses can own cats and Mars rovers can kill them? Wow.
 
Yeah. Earned rep is lost when the associated post is deleted, with the exception of certain old, high-scoring posts (I believe >= 60 days old, with score >= 3), which was a rule introduced a long time ago in order to keep people from complaining too much about the removal of old, now-off-topic questions.
Yeah, that damn rover.
 
3:39 PM
@AdrianMole Was the cat on Mars?
 
Probably.
 
Does Community have any declined flags? LOL
 
@MarcoBonelli Tons
 
Funny
 
I can actually imagine Cody sneaking into NASA's HQ and hiding a cat in Curiosity's payload bay ... for science, you understand. ;-)
 
3:41 PM
No like actually. Community flags the wrong things all the time
 
Yes, both. Community raises auto-flags, which often get declined. In addition, flags raised by deleted users get transferred to Community, and, as you can imagine, many of those flags are ludicrously invalid.
@AdrianMole JPL, actually.
 
I do appreciate that the only badge Community has is Not a Robot
 
That dates back to the days when fun was still condoned by SO staff.
 
or maybe there's a real person operating that account, e.g. how they had in Snowpiercer 5 years old children repair the train :)
 
Do any of the trains look to you like they've been repaired?
 
user17242583
3:51 PM
@HenryEcker How many?
 
You'd need a diamond to be able to get that answer
 
Current stats for the Community user, and more details. (Caveat: Almost completely meaningless, but asked for anyway)
 
user17242583
Is 16,207 the declined flags?
 
Yes, the number in parenthesis is the number of flags declined.
 
user17242583
so about 95% helpful. not too bad, really...
 
3:56 PM
Aww, Community reached 0 people :(
 
Remember it's not an AI flagging things. A large majority of these flags come from actual humans, and then the flags that are raised automatically are often marked as helpful by mods because it does little good to decline a bot's flags (there's no "training" at play for the system-raised auto flags).
 
@cigien that's the official position
 
Community hasn't posted any answers, so... hard to reach people. :-)
 
behind the curtains who knows how many people were impacted by the Community user
 
@cigien meta community reached 12k though
 
3:58 PM
I suppose all the people who had their posts nuked by the Community user in response to red flags were "reached"/"impacted".
 
So all those Election posts by Community are by staff? Why do they post it from Community?
 
They're auto-generated
 
Oh, I see.
 
I don't know the purpose of them, auto-generated or not.
I believe that's been asked on Meta before.
 
4:13 PM
@CodyGray it's at least been asked (by me) to stop posting them: meta.stackexchange.com/q/371023/165261
My assumption is that at some point in the past, they were somehow useful.
 
@RyanM maybe in the past the election wasn't already featured?
 
@MarcoBonelli see, the fun thing about that is that until the upgrades to the election system in 2020, neither were the Meta posts 🙃
 
LOL ok no clue then
 
@MarcoBonelli Most of the old election system was highly manual
 
4:49 PM
This looks some assignment where the whole class tries to make bots that will be able to post fake spam
 
@Vega But then we would have gotten lots of questions about how to write spam bots first
 
@JeanneDark Oh, right
 
Sneaky that last SD started off as unclear then got edited to be spam
 
@snakecharmerb That's been happening
 
5:01 PM
@snakecharmerb My favorites are the ones that start off as different spam.
 
@RyanM That sounds ... creative?
 
It is, perhaps, not the most effective strategy the spammers could use...
 
@RyanM You mean first as a tree cutting service in Denver and then, just when they fooled us, turn into best vegetables in New Delhi spam?
 
@JeanneDark Basically! Here's one that turned into more Coinbase spam: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/363369
Although all the hot home-maintenance spam these days is coming out of the Houston metro area.
 
No more doors from Madrid or shoes from Brighton? And I also don't know what school to go to in Pune
 
5:08 PM
For the later I have an advice
 
5:33 PM
 
I don't have a CS background so am not sure; is this question needing focus? stackoverflow.com/questions/55059780/…
 
@miken32 Seems OK. Also, TIL: PHP is written in C. ??!? xD
 
6:33 PM
@AdrianMole So it's python
 
7:03 PM
 
7:51 PM
 
 
2 hours later…
Is this old question off-topic on SO because Not Programming? (It probably Needs Debugging Details anyhow). Want to migrate it to JSE? stackoverflow.com/q/17443900/2943403
 
@mickmackusa That's more than 60 days so it cannot be migrated
 
Yep, as Henry said, no can do. IIRC CMs can but it doesn't seem valuable enough to bother.
The reasoning behind that block: meta.stackexchange.com/q/151890/165261
 
Are the edit indicators on comments new?
 
Nope
Been around as long as long as I can recall.
 
9:50 PM
Really? I must be really unobservant. I don't remember seeing the number of edit revisions before...
Must've missed it
 
Not amazingly useful when you can't see the edit revisions (mods can), but...it's been there.
I don't recall for certain exactly what the tooltip was, but the indicator's been around a while at least.
 
Ah I see what happened. I have a userscript which makes some tweaks to the comment UI and apparently inadvertently strips it off.
I disabled my userscripts for an unrelated test and they reappeared
 
Or the author just thinks they're pointless clutter for non-mods, who knows :-p
 
Well the author is me so
 
Well, apparently you do, since you've never used them! ;-)
 
9:54 PM
I think I just made a mistake
I mean they're not all that useful without revision history
 
especially without a "last edited" time
which I thought it did do but I guess not?
 
Yeah it's just "this comment was edited n time(s)"
 
like it could conceivably be useful if you see a comment replying that doesn't make sense, and then you could see that it was posted before the last edit.
 
10:19 PM
 
11:13 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar fwiw I read some of the Agile stuff last month and thought their books were endlessly boring... Stuff that could be explained in 2 sentences instead took up 3 pages.
 

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