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@tripleee Maybe replace the "Best way" to "How to" and it's good to go? The question body doesn't seem to be asking for opinions.
mmmm possibly
 
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Burnination side effects?
 
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this is in the reopen queue with 2 reopen votes. Given that it was probably closed from here, what do you think about the comments?
does it warrant reopening?
@blackgreen I think so, so I did.
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@DavidBuck huh? authors can simply undelete their answers that were deleted from review?
@blackgreen Apparently, if they decide their NAA is sufficiently important. Thankfully very few do.
that's very surprising, what's the whole point of review, then...
That they are not final.
Also, authors can fix their answers.
Deleting their answers motivate them to do that.
BTW, you don't need to reflag it, it will be on the mod queue by default.
This is true. Although the number of people who completely turn around an NAA is not, in my experience, very high.
I didn't know it would auto mod-flag though, so thanks for that.
so is the answer author able to overturn delete votes by three 20k rep users cast outside the review queue?
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@blackgreen I don't think they can overturn if three 20K users or a mod have deleted
the mod-deletion can't be undone by regular users, and that makes sense
even if this is possible only with review deletions, it seems contrary to the user-level moderation system. Let's assume the reviewers are right. Four of them have agreed that an answer should be deleted, how can that be single-handedly invalidated by the OP?
It defies the whole point of offloading review work to user-level moderators
@blackgreen I agree with @Braiam's point that a user can edit an answer from NAA to an actual answer. The point here though is that this answer wasn't edited at all and in that circumstance, I agree that it makes no sense that the OP can undelete.
I agree with Braiam's point. I just find it surprising that the deletion can be undone single-handedly. As with mod-deletion, the OP would just raise a flag after editing, so that only OPs who do bother fixing their post would create more work for the moderators/curators
Apparently it's been surprising people for at least 7 years
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@Braiam good to know, still strange logic though. As a mod you are now dealing with: "let's see how this user is abusing the system" instead of "let's see how well they fixed the post"
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@blackgreen We believe in redemption
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@blackgreen There's an autoflag for moderator review on those, however. Once in a while the OP does actually fix the problem
I do wish they'd make the system smarter by blocking undeletion before they've made any edits. Would be a simple solution to some of the abuses there
Should we burninate the tag? Discuss
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What can be done about this answer? stackoverflow.com/a/71349374/1839439
@tripleee I've edited this question to improve the grammar/readability and I agree it isn't asking for the 'best' way, just 'how to do it', so I removed that language from the title, and am binning this request. Feel free to re-request for a different reason if you feel one applies.
@Dharman should be deleted and the screenshot in the "original" updated to reflect the changes,
My NAA flag is still pending
@Dharman Close the Q as a request for off-site resource?
@snakecharmerb I don't think that reason applies to this question
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Handled. It's about a programming tool so it's not off-topic
Thanks
 
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Is gcloud cli considered a "programming tool" in the context of this question? Feels off-topic to me, just like I'd consider the same for aws-cli, but wanted to get feedback before VTC'ing.
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@NotTheDr01ds I don't think so. The question is about an issue with using apt to install a package, which makes it General Computing IMO.
@cigien Thanks - That's my thought. I'll create a cv-pls in a moment.
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@Machavity @Dharman some not-insignificant Photoshop saving/converting later, I've improved the existing answer so that it's accessible now rather than just a screenshot.
Nice work
Actually checking it out in light mode makes it obvious I don't need to include the images with transparent backgrounds... the ones with white backgrounds for dark mode will work just fine
RIP 20 minutes
I'll leave them in there for now
Probably the most work I've put into an old Q&A that only has 500 views
only a few million more to fix
@HenryEcker I certainly hope not
Looks like the layout got borked
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Dharman would like you to edit all of the mysql_query PHP questions, if you have a few minutes
@TylerH Yeah. I went with no as well. meta.stackexchange.com/q/376824/1099857
I think someone just closed a div too early.
If I'm wrong about possible voting fraud, is that a declined flag? Does it depend on the evidence given in the flag?
@GeneralGrievance Not always, I think. A mod can confirm, but flags of that form are still marked as helpful when they're escalated to CMs to figure out if there really is a problem.
@GeneralGrievance In most cases, no. Obviously a normal user cannot investigate voting fraud in detail (enough to be certain at any rate). Even if we can't sustain your allegations of fraud, we tend to mark them helpful
Thanks. So be as detailed as I can be.
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Correct. In some cases even we can't be sure enough and a CM will have to look at it
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@Machavity lol
Is there a markdown table needed or accessibility concerns w/ those, though?
@TylerH I don't see any. You have alt text. My only question would be "Why are they the same for both light and dark mode?"
@Machavity they're not, the light mode ones have a transparent background. It wasn't clear but I was referring to light/dark mode in SO, not in VS Code
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anyone else getting weird highlighting on the "other rooms you're in" section today?
every room is highlighted by default as if it's active when i reload the page until i hover over each one
@KevinB On a question page? or on the chat page for rooms to join?
Right here, or in any other chat room
I'm not seeing any weird highlighting on my end
hmm. oddly i don't see the styles actually change when i hover over them either, looking at the dev tools
even though it visibly changes
that does... sortof sound similar
what i'm seeing is all rooms show "new activity" highlight, when any one of them have new activity
which is kinda teh opposite
but i'm using a userscript
same result without the userscript, so :shrug:
chat is ugly by default
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@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine How is this too broad? It's asking how to configure something in the emulator (although if CommonsWare says you can't, he's probably correct)
(also it's 2 months old and would Roomba in 4 days regardless of whether it's closed)
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@KevinB It's not chat that is ugly, but the chatters?
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@Vega As tripleee noted, this seems to be about a tool mostly used by programmers (the question even notes that it's "part of setting up the code environment"), so I'm going to bin this request
@RyanM Installing software, no matter who uses them, is never on topic, meta.stackoverflow.com/q/338203/792066
@Braiam As Robert Columbia's answer notes, "installation, configuration, upgrading, and troubleshooting of programming tools" is on-topic here. Glorfindel's answer addresses software that is "not specifically related to programming," such as the given example of "installing Linux on a Mac"
Make is unquestionably software "specifically related to programming," as it's a build tool that software developers will need to install to write their build files.
I had to install make to install games, I wasn't programming, I was trying to game. I didn't feel like programming while installing make or doing configure && make && make install
Note that Glo even goes to say "unique to software development". ^ that isn't unique to software development.
I think installing Make specifically on Windows is far more likely to be for software development, as it's quite unusual for Windows software to be distributed as source + Makefile.
Are you sure you want to do that distinction? If I do X in windows is on topic but if I do X on linux or mac is not?
That's not going to fly, you are either programming or not. And installing X, whatever X is, is squarely not programming.
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No, I would argue that installing Make (or any build system) on any OS is on-topic. But even moreso on Windows.
So, you are again ignoring Glo answers that quotes the help center that says "unique to software development"?
Installing software is not "unique to software development".
In fact, if I try to install software in my job, I need to call IT to get administrator permissions.
So, if my software development task is stopped by a sysadmin task, does that makes that on topic?
 
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@Braiam This issue has been raised (and discussed at length) on Meta, often. Hans Passant is one of the chief proponents of the "installation problems aren't really programming-related" argument, IIRC.
... and I'm scared of Big Hans! :-)

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