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11:05 PM
@KevinB some people probably liked it. But as an old school guy I could care less what the internet looks like on my smartphone.
@KevinB but matter of fact is several high rep users have stated they use their phone to login into SO from work because of privacy concerns. So to them it's important.
 
How does using your phone protect your privacy?
 
@CodyGray you don't login from a company owned device on a company controlled connection.
 
11:24 PM
@CodyGray Only ever call one person?
 
@AdrianMole Yourself?
 
Yeah!
 
@bad_coder I had to require that my laptop had Debian installed due the variety of tools that I use. It literally tells me what the firewall/proxy filters since it tries to use their certificate that isn't installed on my laptop.
 
Is this a good audit (First answers)? I think it is, but it may challenge new reviewers.
 
@Braiam all the places I worked at I wouldn't even dream of taking the time to configure my own machine. I mean, how long would that take me...? Software engineering doesn't have time for networking.
 
11:28 PM
@AdrianMole Aren't good audits supposed to be challenging?
 
Dunno. I don't really pay attention to the quality of audits.
 
I mean, I think that's a fine audit. What issues do you see with it? It's clearly providing an answer to a programming question, complete with code and everything.
 
@bad_coder my issue isn’t supporting those users, my issue is making the ui worse for everyone else in the process.
 
@bad_coder Well, that's the thing, they contracted me to do several jobs, and one of my conditions is that I have a environment that allowed me to do so.
 
@CodyGray Hmm. Not disagreeing. My issue is with what audits are supposed to do.
 
11:30 PM
@AdrianMole They're supposed to trip up users who aren't paying attention and/or users who are making the wrong decisions in review queues.
 
And since they don't know what those jobs entails I got to set some conditions that many do not.
 
I'd happily flag anyone who gave a negative answer to that audit. It looks obvious to me.
 
... it looks, at a first glance, like a poor answers. Of course, it isn't.
 
How does it look like a poor answer at any glance?
 
Short.
 
11:31 PM
I've flagged so many people for mindlessly voting to delete short answers.
Excellent audit, working as intended.
 
Short answers aren't necessarily poor answers. You have to read them. Which is made even easier by virtue of the fact that they are short.
 
Again, I agree. But what are audits looking to do?
 
(usually the short answers they're voting to delete are also code-only, which this one isn't, but still)
 
@AdrianMole Catch bad reviewing!
 
@AdrianMole As Cody said above: "They're supposed to trip up users who aren't paying attention and/or users who are making the wrong decisions in review queues."
 
11:33 PM
@CodyGray hehe - No chance! That's what moderators are for.
 
@Braiam not really my job description. When I have that kind of problem I send an email to have it fixed.
 
Ryan seems to be flypaper for bad reviewers, that's why I wanted to make him a moderator.
 
We need von-Neumann moderators.
 
I think we have them. I certainly cannot fetch instructions and data at the same time. My bus is shared.
 
@bad_coder Well, my job description is to take the email and solve it :D
 
11:36 PM
@Braiam I always wondered what that was like :D
 
Now, this would be a fun audit. I have absolutely no idea what to do, really, other that to double-D vote it. The problem is with the question, not the rubbish answer.
 
@AdrianMole That looks like NAA - it seems to ask a follow-up question.
 
Maybe. No idea.
 
@bad_coder Is horrible, because most of the time the people that write those email aren't even aware what the problem is. They just know that something bothers them.
 
The question is... quite wrong-headed, but not problematic as such.
 
11:39 PM
@Braiam but honestly, I've had this "long term goal" of getting a laptop just to play with Linux. Maybe sometime next year, maybe not. I've always had other stuff take priority.
 
I maintain my right to double-D vote it.
 
If the issue is that that there's no obvious way to handle NAAs in First Answers...well, I've already griped about that one.
 
Flagging NAAs is fine in FA.
 
@Braiam exactly how my email goes: "thingy bothering me; you solve!"
 
It is! But I can't imagine a new reviewer finding that option.
They often Share Feedback.
 
11:40 PM
@Braiam I don't exactly get emails, more like tickets on the bugtracker: "thingy don't work; you fix!"
 
And they'll pass audits doing that, because all the audit system cares about is that you gave negative feedback of some sort.
 
I'm pretty sure I've argued for years that there needs to be an obvious "flag" button in the review queues.
 
^ That bothers me. Obvious spam audits in FA (and other queues) will pass with "Share feedback". They shouldn't, IMHO.
 
I've suspended many people for that. It's frustrating.
 
@bad_coder Why not start with WLS2 or a virtual machine running linux? Should be plenty to "play around"
 
11:42 PM
You can see what folks do in audits?
 
@AdrianMole I dunno, I've seen some pretty unclear spam. Sometimes they don't even include the name of the company they're spamming or its website!
 
@AdrianMole I don't mean on audits, I mean on real posts where action needed to be taken.
 
@bad_coder Eh, don't buy a laptop for that, get a cheapo desktop
 
OK.
 
@Braiam Or a virtual machine
 
11:44 PM
I might post an MSO post later, but should "Share Feedback" without flagging on obvious NAAs be flagged as bad reviewing?
 
In my opinion, yes. I am not sure about others.
 
I already have at least one meta post to write in my queue, though, so it might be significantly later.
 
Anything that does not contribute to getting the unwanted content removed from the site is the wrong decision in a review queue.
Leaving comments doesn't contribute to anything's removal. It just exacerbates the problem, as there's now more content that needs to be removed.
 
Hey - I'm 'playing' with the FA queue, tonight. Nothing too serious. But what would you do with this? Looks like NAA, until you read the question.
 
@AdrianMole Arguably an answer.
 
11:46 PM
Arguably, yeah. But I'm, not really the argumentative sort. ;)
... also not too hot with comma, usage, tonite, ...
 
@RyanM would look really nice as a comment...
 
@Turing85 don't have patience for context switching. (Running native also makes for a better experience.)
 
Yeah. I decided to review the task by leaving a comment suggesting how it could be a better answer.
 
@Braiam yeah, and have another machine taking up space. At least the laptop is thin 15' size.
 
11:54 PM
@bad_coder "bare metal" does make for a better experience - true. But depending on your tech savviness and the distro you choose switching can be something between a mild inconvenience and nerve-wrecking.
@bad_coder My recommendation would be: start light, e.g. an ubuntu. During my apprenticeship, I had the mad idea to start with gentoo... not the best learning experience ^^"
 
@Braiam I do have Linux on a VM and on a dual-boot on this machine. Since I haven't practically used any of those installations it tells you how much patience I have for running other OS's on my dev machine.
 
And why is "Looks OK" still an option after I have flagged a post as NAA?
 
@Turing85 that's my usual approach, but I need a dedicated machine if I'm powering it on it's supposed to sit there for me undivided until I have patience. Besides running native obviates all the problems of diagnosing the VM overhead.
 
@AdrianMole It sounds like you're expecting the UX to make sense.
 
Hah! Maybe the booze is starting to work?
 
11:59 PM
@Turing85 anyway, I'm buying some heavy metal machinery in 2022 so I'll likely have all my free time allocated to that.
 
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