@mickmackusa personally I'd take it easy on the dup issue. If the company or the mods wanted to do something about it they would. There's also another thing, you'll see a lot of high reps on meta speaking like they're full of integrity and SO is being overrun by noobs, but afterwards you check their curation stats and they've flagged/edited less than 100 posts in in 10 years :P
@Vickel Feel free to steal mine: See https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297680/208273 for why posts should not be translated by anyone other than the original poster.
@RyanM thanks, my one is Please do not translate questions/answers for the OP. They need to be able to respond to feedback, and if they cannot themselves translate a question/answer we cannot be certain that they can understand any feedback provided (by comments, answers, or Help Center content). See meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297680/2275490 but that is too long for an edit reject comment
@Vickel Yeah, that's definitely a better explanation, but mine is specifically trimmed for use as an edit reject comment. My kingdom for a longer limit on those...
@mickmackusa on the specific comment I can find thousands of good questions to answer in a few clicks. Problem is I don't know how to answer them and can't spare the time to solve those problems.
@bad_coder after spending 30 minutes tracking down all of the duplicates on a topic, then finding the earliest posted question that actually has a mcve, I see if I can post something unique and valuable on that page. It is expensive in time/care to post a valuable answer on a valuable question. I don't believe the rep farmers are doing this at all -- it just doesn't "pay".
@mickmackusa hey you studied in the US right? I've read a lot about elitism in EU universities, how that feeds into social stratums and the work market. Do you know what pays off? Feeding prejudice. I read back on the MSO-MSE threads and I see layers and layers of unassuming prejudice.
The "good programmer" vs noob // crap questions is just a deja vú of homologous prejudices.
because I use python like once a year and I can't remember which language has which for-loop syntax. and most of the sites with this sort of basic language information are awful
I sometimes look at the trackrecord of the guys most set on disparaging beginners, and a lot of times they are "monolingual" meaning they only ever posted about 1 programming language. (Which suggests they've never gone through the humbling experience of starting over.)
@RyanM no confirmation bias. Sure I only posted about Python (that's why I created this account) but the other guys I'm thinking of have obviously worked steady on the same stack for years and years (pretty comfortable place to be).
I get humbled (even more than usual) when I venture into js and people start telling me about all the syntax variations and what I can do ...yatta-yatta-- with ES6 ...yatta-yatta ...jquery is awful dead obsolete ... yatta-yatta. And I'm like, sheesh what a bunch of confusing noise.
I suspect this was the reason for the demise of the "lacks minimal understanding" close reason: misuse on basic but legit questions. I've seen my share of questions that I feel do lack minimal understanding, but more of the concepts of general program logic. That is: questions that no one who is a programmer in any language should ever have to ask, even about a language they are completely unfamiliar with.
@U12-Forward After more than a decade of feverish Q&A with millions upon millions of questions, ALL new questions that ask for a narrow/basic technique are duplicates. To get around this, people are asking Too Broad questions that bake multiple techniques into one question (to create a snowflake question).
@RyanM there's gonna be a steady stream of those. It's unavoidable unless you blocck new questions on a review queue (a proposal that hasn't been accepted).
Most of the basic questions that I close (daily) I can find 5 duplicates to list on the closure in about 5 minutes or less. Some say that I shouldn't do this, but this acts as a signal to the OP that they REALLY should have researched a bit more before asking. 5xHammering serves to ward off any calls to re-open AND compels SOCVR to vote to delete when I ask to remove a redundant page that won't roomba.
@mickmackusa I don't know, it depends a lot on the tag. I suppose things on PHP-SQL have become unmanageable. But I also see new questions every day are complex and it's obvious there isn't enough expertise around to even leave a comment on them.
I guess I'll re-post my "Untrusted Answerer Block" meta question -- this time I'll have to leave out the block on users with under 5 posted answers. I really think it will go a long way to shift the mindless-answer-firing culture here.
If SMEs weren't so distracted with the task of cleaning up duplicates and closable questions, they could spend more time actually answering and sharing their expertise.
@mickmackusa shifting mentalities on SO. I don't know if that works - supposedly that kind of post needs to be anouncement-featured and posted by a mod or staff.
Like how many users look at a featured post? 1000, 2000? That's still nothing unless it's backed by enforcement.
@bad_coder I hate that you are right about that. I feel like if Makyen would post my feature request it wouldn't receive so many pile on downvotes (but there will be more factors including posting style -- I'm typically too verbose for most people).
@mickmackusa your last post had 1 main defect -> It was long. If you wanna post on meta you need at least a catchy tl;dr in 1 paragraph and 2 headers boiling it down.
each additional paragraph divide readers by 2 and increment down vote chance by 25%.
With much of what I needed to explain in the previous question and its predecessor, I should be able to write a short, snappy one this time. The actual explanation of behavior/rules can just be linked to.
@mickmackusa even then. The business rule has to be a simple no-brainer, and the text structured as a list. Any rational is 3 short paragraphs at most (and that's streching it already).
@U12-Forward More serious answer: Here is where it was removed. Here is the MSO request to put it back. And here is the MSE request to put it back, with links to a bunch of other places advocating for its utility.
@U12-Forward The idea behind my "untrusted answerer block" is that people delete their answer from the closed page so that the roomba can do its job. But you have highlighted a workaround that I didn't consider. Does anyone know if the Roomba will be blocked by a wiki answer? I assume it will be. This is not ideal for my scheme. I want bad answerers to REMOVE their answer so that unwanted pages can be roomba'ed.
There is an unidentifiable cross-section of users who upvote ANYTHING that looks like a correct attempt at an answer. (I have a name for this group of people, but a member of this chat has found it abusive/offensive, so I will not call them by name.) These users are directly contributing to the excess workload that human curators have to wade through.
@U12-Forward I don't agree with your statement "everythings a dup on Python". For the simple reason I only find around a dozen questions about most of the topics I research. And that indicates, foremost, a lot of really good curation.
Dumping
Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?
No, it doesn't really help tell what is happening. The questions with [dumping] are random.
Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?
If you consider memory dumps or something like...
@mickmackusa Well, actually, userscripts are a possibility on mobile, or at least on most browsers. They are not as convenient, but they don't have to be that inconvenient. As far as I'm aware, most browsers will still allow you to create a bookmarklet. Doing so may be inconvenient, but possible. Many userscripts, can be operational, at least to a large extent, if the userscript's code is added to the page using a <script> tag, which can be added by the bookmarklet.
Using a bookmarklet to add multiple userscripts to a page is definitely not as convenient as having the scripts load automatically, but it can be significantly easier than manually performing tasks which the userscript(s) make substantially easier.
You might be able to pick up a few additional users if the cutoff were in terms of answers to closed questions rather than total answers - e.g., at least 5 answers on closed questions in the last month, comprising at least 25% of your answers in that period, or something along those lines. I haven't toyed with that in SEDE, though.
One issue with the proposed algorithm is that you could answer two closed questions, continue being allowed to answer fresh questions, and then as soon as you answer three more open questions, you're cut off.
You should probably be cut off as soon as you cross the threshold at which you'd be cut off even if the rest of your posts up to the minimum were on open questions.
@RyanM This exercise in situational testing is what my javascript tool is built for. If you answer 2 closed questions, then 3 open questions, then you are probably doing the right thing. If you then answer 2 more questions that become closed, then the FQS is applied.
errr, I got mixed up there and forgot the cutoff was 60%, not 40%. Switch "two" and "three" in my message there.
> you could answer three closed questions, continue being allowed to answer fresh questions, and then as soon as you answer two more open questions, you're cut off.
Should the FQS have a minimum duration of 1 day? I mean, if you hit 60% and it is applied, you then wouldn't be able to quickly delete one answer and go back to answering fresh questions. You'd need to sit through 24 hours of the FQS. Then if you have earned your way out of FQS then it is lifted. ?
Ehhh I think it'd be good to immediately reward people for doing the "right" thing. Both from the perspective of encouraging them to actually do it, and from a UX perspective of understanding when they've crossed the threshold.
@RyanM Ideally, the system should alert you that you are approaching qualification for FQS. If you see that your first 3 answers were on closed questions, you could free yourself from the bad effects by merely deleting your answers. This is exactly what we want from a "curator's perspective" -- closed questions with no answers. Then the Roomba can do its job and humans don't need to waste their time manually voting to delete.
I'd do something like "at least 5 answers on closed questions in the last month, comprising at least 25% of your answers in that period" (cutoffs chosen semi-arbitrarily without looking at data)
@oguzismail Why not just make the percentage fixed, though? (also, with a 60% closed threshold and 9 questions, you'd only need 3/9 open, which is the same with or without the grouping, I think.
I suppose the drawback of incorporating time in the algorithm is that bad posters don't need to adjust their answering decision-making if they don't post very often.
In this page https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309526/what-should-i-do-if-i-find-the-answer-to-an-old-question-of-mine-that-was-automa/310266#310266 it explains that if I found an answer to my roomba'ed question I should repost...
but I didn't and my question is roomba'ed anyway. Should I repost?
It looks like that reposting is fine https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/332745/how-should-we-handle-questions-that-have-been-reposted-after-being-deleted-due-t?noredirect=1&lq=1 but it still doesn't feel right; on the other hand asking for a mod to undelete my question will just make…
@user202729 some questions have the faith of not getting the attention of just the right SME in time and no one else recognizes the value of such questions. This becomes worse when the site gets overwhelmed with low-quality stuff. Consider posting on your personal blog / Github gist and link to it from your about me page. If you find new info later that might give a new angle to your question, you can give it another go on SO main as proper question.
Thank you :) How about in First Posts? :) Is there a little "close (1)" at the bottom on the Question?
Background, I'm trying to expand a script that shows votes in the sidebar for users that can't see it. It's using the class of that element to determine if it should ask the API.
The script works well on regular posts, but it doesn't work in reviews.
python Is it reasonable to close this as "not reproducible"? The question was based on a misconception, and the asker has accepted an answer for another problem that they raised in the comments.
@snakecharmerb Wow, that's ...a mess. Uhhh, maybe needs details/clarity, since it's totally unclear how the question corresponds to the accepted answer? (because it doesn't)
I hate the "pick a reason" approach to closing questions, but if the OP is going to accept answers that have nothing to do with the question asked...
@RyanM I'm going to exclude the close vote and the reopen vote queue :)
I get this in the sidebar of Questions. But in review, I got nothing.. which made me open up the post on the side during reviews. Especially in suggested edits where the post seems to be not quite passing the bar.
Ha! The script works in the Close Vote queue too.. I did not expect that :D
Ah. It's not "quote", it's a quota which is the remaining requests that the Stack API will allow me within "this" 24 hour period. For consistency with everything else Stack, it does not seem to be a UTC date, but a 24 hour period that started at some undefined, to me, point in time :D Perhaps.. the first time of day I ever made a request.
I have wondered if I could reset it to a UTC date if I were to turn all my scripts off for more than 24 hours and then make one request at exactly midnight UTC :)
@Scratte thanks I had heard of this. I suppose I could copy paste a Python script and start playing with this. Bur for now I still have other priorities.
@bad_coder A closed question with less than 3 down-votes cannot be deleted, not until 2 or 3 days have elapsed. I know that several moderators have also mentioned that we should avoid deleting duplicates immediately, to give the OP a fair amount of time to unduplicate their question, say 10 or 11 days.
@bad_coder You're welcome. Please have a look at this link to the help site section on access to moderator tools, especially the "Deleting questions" section.
How should this question be handled. Sementically the OP provided debugging details. However it misses the "minimal" part and we would have to check 7 diffrent css files and 12 JS files to find an issue.
It's fine either way, i.e. I wouldn't say it has to be flagged as spam. If it were advertising a specific group, then it's definitely spam, but asking if people would be interested in creating one is borderline.
@Scratte The 24 hour SE API quota period starts the first time you make a request after your most recent prior 24 hour SE API quota period has expired.
Ahh.. I suspected that. So I just have to turn all the scripts off that uses the API for a full 24+ hours and time it to do a request at midnight UTC, and I'll be fully synchronized :)
@Scratte Well, sort-of. A) to maintain such synchronization as best as possible, you would need to make sure that you're making at least one request just after your 24 hour period ends. B) Your synchronization is guaranteed to drift. There will always be a non-zero amount of time between when your prior 24 hour period ends and when you can make a request to begin your new 24 hour period. Thus, the start of your 24 hour period will drift forward every day, by some amount.
@Scratte Well, it's all going to depend on how close of a synchronization to 00:00UTC you require. If you're willing to have the drift be a few minutes, then it's something you could do a reasonable job of maintaining.
If you want an example of what it's possible to maintain without actually trying to do so, you could look at when SmokeDetector's quota rolled over each day. A search for "rolled over" in Charcoal HQ will provide you with that information. Just be sure to ignore all the ones from 2021-07-28, which was the day that SE had a problem which resulted in SmokeDetector thinking its quota rolled over many times.
I could set up something to call the API at exactly midnight just to maintain it as close as possible. Of course I'd probably start it off at 23:59 to give it a small buffer :) Then check with the quota and retry if it's too low.
@Scratte Yep, you could probably get the drift down to several 10s/100s of milliseconds/day, if you really wanted to. Do note that you can't just make requests as fast as possible for an extended period of time, as the SE API docs say "we consider > 30 request/sec per IP to be very abusive and thus cut the requests off very harshly." My experience is that throttling will begin well before that 30 requests/s limit, particularly if you make a high volume of requests for a more extended time.