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01:31
Is overtly upvote-grubbing kosher/tolerated? stackoverflow.com/users/3730754/loictheaztec "If I saved your day, you can Donate… You could also check (and if you like vote any of) this high ranked answers or check my newest answers too."
If it's cool to do, then maybe I should ask people to upvote my pincushions/voodoo dolls/questions to counter the revenge votes?
@mickmackusa we try not to discuss users' behavior in this room, see rules 19 and 20
I am asking about behavior so that I can potentially adjust mine. I presented an example. There is no judgment occurring and no moderation sought.
@mickmackusa Is SE policy that unless you are doing something very sketchy, they don't bother with your user profile.
They have allowed it to be a place to get jobs/paid professionally.
Is it sketchy to ask people to skew other pages' vote tallies toward a specific person?
Also, it's not in your face, as comments can be.
If people don't visit the profile (and most don't) does it matter what it says?
01:42
I don't mind if someone wants to sell their off-site book/resource/service -- that doesn't deliberately try to bias vote tallies. Right?
@mickmackusa It's the same as commenting "if my answer was helpful, please upvote"
Yeah, and we always kill those off.
Nah, we just remove it because that's not the purpose of comments. Not because the message itself is untoward.
The profile is kind of anything goes.
Nobody is obligated to act upon it, and nobody is notified (unlike comments)
@mickmackusa I've seen people do "worse" things on their profile tbh, but you might try to search/ask on meta.
Just ignore it.
01:45
These action prompting messages benefit the beggar/grubber so there is no downside, right? I should link to all of my negatively-voted, correct answers. That would help to offset the revenge votes.
Or it can backfire ;)
I don't much care about getting super high tallies. I do care about negatively voted correct answers though.
How many views does your profile gets that is not someone looking for posts to downvote?
You create a basically lighting rod for all of them.
Don't think I've ever had negative-voted correct answers in 7 years of answering stuff on SO, that's kinda strange
@MarcoBonelli Give it time, you are hanging out with the right crowd
01:48
@Braiam what do you mean give it time (☉Д☉)
Curation tasks gives you a sort of spotlight that can be pretty ugly.
Ah I see...
Fortunately 99% of the people that might be upset by my "curation tasks" does not have the ability to downvote yet :')
Oh, but give time for that too :D
Some users would get offended because you offended someone
02:03
Are answers which are duplicates of another answer eligible for NAA flagging?
@10Rep Technically no, but there's no way of notifying 20kers that they can delete them otherwise.
That's why several users prefer to have a "delete this" flag
02:52
@Braiam That would be an "in need of moderator intervention" flag where you explain what your issue is.
@10Rep If an answer is a 100% re-tread of an earlier answer AND adds absolutely no new/unique value to the page, then I recommend commenting under the answer to educate the poster that they are adding no new value, downvoting the post, then either requesting a delpls if qualified or flagging at Mak said.
I do this pretty regularly/unapologetically. (hence the revenge votes) but this is how we curate a better SO.
If we can purge the redundant answer by way of deleting a negatively voted answer, then do not bother moderators with a flag.
When an answer is overtly/provably incorrect, yet has been wildly upvoted, then Stack Overflow requires that we just suffer in silence or belly-ache to our favorite tribes. stackoverflow.com/a/37500756/2943403 We do not have an interface by which incorrect answers that attempt to solve the question can be expelled.
Note that moderators would reject a flag if they can't find why two answers are the same, so if the answers don't have at least some superficial resemblance, they will not delete it (even if in practical terms, both answers say the same thing).
Moderators are not necessarily subject matter experts in the technology which is in use for a particular question or answer. If the answers which you feel are duplicates are not clearly and obviously the same by just comparing the text and/or code as strings (i.e. without technical expertise in the language used), then it's not unlikely that a flag is going to be declined. If it really needs specific technical expertise, then you need to state that and explain the issue in more detail.
Note also that your flag needs to link to the answer which you feel is being copied/duplicated.
And therein lies a problem mods face a lot. Person A hammers a question. Person B unhammers. Both flag and accuse the other of bad faith. If you know nothing about the language, how do you decide?
When in doubt ask on SOCVR, of course!!!
One rare time I checked the duplicate and found that someone had unhammered to give the exact same answer in the duplicate, under the pretense that some minor detail made this time different. But the answer was simple
Contributors can be such animals sometimes.
03:29
@mickmackusa I do when there's a case to be made both ways. But we don't have an SME in all tags either
@Machavity yeah, I was just jokin around. I getcha.
@mickmackusa Heh. It's late. Id' better head to bed
03:46
If I can answer it, is very likely off topic. :)
 
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07:25
^And after this is deleted, this post can be made into a nice canonical through a few edits.
hmmm,. I had actually upvoted that
@tripleee Yea, you have also posted an answer
08:26
@snakecharmerb As a heads up, I'm pretty sure that's a math question, not a CS question
08:43
@RyanM Fair point, thanks
 
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@TylerH Just FYI: If you install AIM, then the Archiver should also automatically select and archive SD reports which are "complete", rather than just ones which are older than 4 hours.
@TylerH I wonder if this question isn't elaborate spam
@Dharman It could be, based on the Q title
flag it and make Makyen take a look :-P
It's already flagged, for plagiarism at least
@Makyen thanks, not entirely clear what the script does based on the comments there...
16:44
@TylerH It adds dynamic information about feedbacks, autoflagging, and weight to SD report posts in chat.
I see so the SD messages themselves have more info
so that I don't have to ask why sometimes
and the Archiver can pick up on some of that additional info to bin a bit more aggressively?
@TylerH Yes, it shows you more information. No, it doesn't show you the why information. If you want the why, then FIRE is available and includes the why upon hover of the post title in the popup for the report.
@TylerH Yes, the Archiver will get information which AIM stores in the DOM as to the feedbacks on the report. If the report is "complete" (i.e. has enough feedback and/or deleted, etc), then the Archiver will include the SD report, and many/most responses to the SD report (e.g. like asking why) as messages which can be archived without waiting for the 4 hours timeout on SD reports.
Is this an answer or a "Me too?"
... my basic skills are very basic.
@AdrianMole looks like a 'me too' to me
If OP intended it to be an answer, it is not at all clear
I'm half way between the options. It could be interpreted as "when I used Integer (instead of Long) it worked," or it could be "I have Integer and that doesn't work, too."
16:56
You're right, it could be, but we shouldn't be guessing... OP needs to clarify
Right now, to me it reads "I had the same problem, even with setting the following"
I added a comment.
17:12
^ That's just a mess.
Hey people! My answers were deleted by one of the mods as it was "copied wholesale". I have now edited the answers and made them better. I would love to your opinion on my answers. stackoverflow.com/a/67759995 stackoverflow.com/a/67760074
@RandomPerson it looks better. I'm not enough into MySql to judge if it is worth undeleting. Aren't those two questions duplicate of each other? Because the start of these answers is identical it has that dupe "smell"
@RandomPerson It looks good. I think you can repost it, but I don't know if we need two answers. They look almost exactly the same. One should be enough
17:27
@rene they are related.. but I'm not 100% sure if they are duplicate of each other.
@Dharman hmm..
@Dharman Instead of reposting, rather custom flag?
Easier to repost it.
... or just roll back the other one and post the new one
@Dharman the two answers are for two different questions which are similar..
The question doesn't matter. What matters is are the answers the same
@JeanneDark such that mods can undelete?
17:46
^ spam?
@RandomPerson Please don't ask mods to personally look into your flags. We all have pending flags and there's a number of active mods. One of them will eventually handle your flag
@RandomPerson we don't ping moderators in this room, or ever for that matter. see also socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-mod-ping
@JeanneDark Yes, see their profile bio
Thanks
17:47
@Dharman OK.
@rene I'm sorry for my actions.
@Dharman While reposting might be easier, if not handled very carefully, it can result in the user being warned and/or suspended. Importantly, it also leaves the original post around in a state that will tend to be considered negatively by the algorithm for answer and/or question bans. So, suggesting to repost a moderator deleted answer, or most any deleted answer, is not really a good route to take.
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18:26
@Machavity Would appreciate an answer to my feedback, in case it got lost in your notifications.
@desertnaut It's prefect the sense makes after the hill.
@AdrianMole :)
@desertnaut: ?
18:43
@HovercraftFullOfEels nothing really - tried to notify you that your last request was closed as a dup and that I voted to delete, but OP deleted it themselves (so I deleted my comment)
@desertnaut OK, thanks
@Dharman oof, that cloud one in particular...
@gparyani I am not Machavity but I did already provide an answer to your question in the form of a comment.
Users who have more than 60k should have just created 3 accounts and they could become moderators /s
@Dharman heh
@TylerH I'm not Machavity, either ... I'm Spartacus!
oy vey
@AdrianMole You're Spartacus9? What?
19:16
... although there are 50+ other SO users who would claim the same.
@Machavity Nein
Not often I see both and on the same question. Is it on-topic?
@AdrianMole possibly as a PHP question...
Ferry nuff. But, in the C++ world, that's would almost certainly be "Needs (debugging) details..."
Yeah, that is a fair point, we would normally need to see the code they're using to decode it... though in PHP it is pretty straightforward. You just plug it into base64_decode()
I'm not a PHP SME so I am willing to defer to e.g. @Machavity or @Dharman or someone to say whether more info is needed beyond that assumption.
@AdrianMole This is not on-topic. This is unclear. No idea what they are even asking or what it has to do with PHP or C++
So, between the @Dharman and the Mole, it's neither nor . :)
19:40
@AdrianMole The schrodinger question
20:16
@AdrianMole I wish I could say the same about and (I say as I close yet another one Dharman found...)
@RyanM They were made for one another :)
@Braiam 😭
@RyanM Shhshhhshhh, the php monster doesn't exist.
Phew, I was really worried there
20:35
Should this be flagged as NAA? (All they've added is the parenthetical note about the underscore!)
20:52
where can I ask about docker?
Where can I read about the explanation/rules /consequences of "is this answer outdated"?
@entithat Depends.
What about docker you want to ask? The libraries/api, or how to manage/deploy containers using the interface?
21:41
@rene I mean I wanted to chat about it somewhere here
@Braiam no, a simple question about WORKDIR /app and COPY package.json /app. If workdir works as cd in CMD then from where does package.json is copied?
Okay, this is room is not the right venue for that, sorry.
@entithat Devsops as suggested by rene works for that. This chatroom, not so much
its a very basic question thats why I dont want to ask such type of questions :(
But ok, thanks anyway
Well, reading the documentation is the first option.
21:48
@Braiam their chat is dead Jim ...
@rene I meant the site.
I guess it is not like Windows Phone ...
 
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23:42
@cigien Did you mod-flag that multiple-duplicate question about the && ambiguous overload? I was thinking of dong so, but I would only be using your comment.
@AdrianMole I did.
OK - One should be enough.
I seem to have got the credit/blame for the first closure - I assume because you added the C++ tag, so you couldn't hammer it.
It's one of those issues where you just have to "see" that the value and the rvalue reference boil down to the same thing.

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