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2:00 PM
NAA is NAA, whether posted as CW or owned-answer; whether by Jon Skeet or by Weasel McWeaselFace.
 
@CodyGray As Jeanne points out, "yes" is an answer to a yes/no question, right?
@AdrianMole Ah ok, thanks.
 
Right.
 
@cigien Sorry, that particular message wasn't meant to be substantive. Just a tongue-twister.
 
Oh, I see :p
 
@cigien You were already getting the right responses; that freed me from needing to be substantive in my responses.
 
2:02 PM
Actually, I only consider "no" to be an answer to a yes/no question ;)
 
@CodyGray Wasn't worth your time to be substantive, huh? ;)
@AdrianMole We should make that the name of the Community bot.
 
@cigien I think Mr Skeet would object.
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Fair enough :D
 
2:16 PM
@SurajRao Yeah, you're right. That FAQ says nothing about R/A flags, which is strange. Of course, VLQ or NAA flags are definitely acceptable for non-English content, but I'm pretty sure R/A flags are also always considered helpful in those cases. After all, it might be rude, or generally more problematic than just not being an answer, and users can't be expected to judge that. I'm pretty sure I've heard more than one mod say R/A flags are acceptable for that.
 
2:33 PM
@cigien I cant seem to find anything in Meta to support that. This suggests the opposite. Although it is about a question
 
@Dharman That duplicate target is very popular. Should this one be deleted too?
 
@oguzismail We could, why not. I don't see anything useful there.
 
@Dharman The answer seemed elaborate to me, that's why I hesitated. I don't know SQL/PHP
 
That answer was copy-pasted hundreds of times
 
2:38 PM
Meh, nuke it then
 
FFF had a pre-made answer and only the first paragraph was different
The second answer seems wrong altogher
 
@BaummitAugen This looks pretty relevant as well, and is much more recent. Frankly Bhargav's advice seems a little odd. Google translate does a decent job, but it's quite easy to get rude content passed it. Don't we want to get rid of that content as fast as possible just in case? R/A flags seem to be a good way to achieve that.
 
Yeah, just get rid of it then. I'm not against answering duplicates as much as I used to be, but answering the same question with the same answer over and over is.. I don't know, not good
 
@cigien The nuke flags and "just in case" don't go together too well IMHO. They have rather drastic implications and can completely circumvent moderator or even high-rep review. If it's a good-faith attempt to contribute by someone confused about the language requirements, why not give them a bit of time to translate and fix it?
If they don't the VLQ will handle it fast enough.
 
@cigien if it is meant to be R/A the user makes it clear soon enough (from my exp in charcoal)
 
2:52 PM
The language thing can be easily solved if we didn't insist that OP is the only one translating the post.
In the case of questions, we simply can close them as unclear.
 
@BaummitAugen That's interesting. The linked chat (dated Mar '17) seems to suggest that R/A flags are specifically not supposed to be raised, and in fact, the FAQ had that wording explicitly. That wording appears to have been removed in Revision 8 (dated Feb '18) and I can't find the rationale for that edit. Also, VLQ is not actually an option for questions, so what about that case?
Given that at least one mod has given advice that's contradictory to this (on multiple occasions), perhaps y'all mods should discuss this, and clarify the FAQ wording.
Certainly possible. Actually, now that I think about it, Cody was in a minority of one in a recent discussion in here (that I was not a part of) about nuking posts and accounts that had non-English content.
 
I agree with the FAQ; the different mod guidance should be discussed, yeah...
 
Smooth, no one noticed your previous message I'm sure ;)
 
Fingers faster than the brain. :|
Well, wasn't too bad. :)
 
Nah, it's fine. Wouldn't have caused offense at least. May have caused confusion, but the contradictory guidance is already doing that. Yeah, it would be great if y'all could sort that out when possible.
I definitely see the point about nuking users for posting non-English content being a bit harsh.
 
@TomerShetah No, it's definitely an answer.
 
3:23 PM
any thoughts on this ?
 
3:34 PM
@SurajRao looks like additional info that should go in the question. Given their other deleted answer that seems not far fetched.
 
that is likely. I would probably need someone with domain knowledge to confirm if it ought to be additional info (since there is accepted answer) or a separate question...
 
3:49 PM
I flagged as NAA.
 
@TomerShetah in my book it is (flagged)
 
4:05 PM
the deleted self answer here says "after sometime the app started showing banner ad". Is it no repro? (NATO )
 
What happens when you delete a duplicate question that is the mere duplicate target of other questions? Do other questions get reopened?
 
You can't delete questions which are dupe targets.
 
Huh, did that change? What is that a dupe target of?
 
@oguzismail well this still has the deleted post linked
 
Relevant: Stop redirecting from duplicates when the target is deleted (also see the still open 2013 bug report on MSE Shog9 links to)
 
status-completed?
 
@oguzismail Thanks. I guess that changed then, I remember seeing relevant error message before...
 
I saw an error message, then switched to mobile view and cast the vote and it worked.
 
5:48 PM
@cigien R/A flags on non-English content are very likely to be declined unless a Google Translate translation of the content indicates that the post's content is R/A. If it looks like the content might be R/A, then "disputed" is likely. I strongly recommend that you follow the advice in the FAQ you linked: How do I deal with non-English content?.
I understand that some moderators may routinely mark such flags as helpful, but the majority will decline such flags, or at least mark them as disputed.
 
6:40 PM
@Joshua I think the issue is that people are wondering why you're sharing that statement in here. The message reads like context that is being supplied as lead-in to asking a question, so I expect that people are wondering what your quandary is and/or why you're specifically telling us. Basically, they are looking to help you, but are confused as to what you're wanting or what type of response you're looking for.
If you had started your statement with something like "I had a strange situation come up at work and I'm wondering how SO would deal with it", or something like that, it might not have caused as much confusion.
 
Point taken Makyn
 
7:28 PM
 
@JeanneDark Afaik, that shouldn't happen anymore due this meta.stackexchange.com/q/221619/213575
 
7:58 PM
^Please, put a stop to all of the condescending remarks
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica What are we supposed to flag here? Looks like a clear case for a custom flag. Maybe I am missing something
Oh, probably the comments are already gone.
 
8:37 PM
@Makyen Ok, I understand. I'll make sure to follow the guidance in the FAQ. Thanks for the clarification. It also appears I've given bad advice about that to others. I'm sorry about that, I'll definitely make sure not to do it again. cc @AdrianMole @SurajRao
@TomerShetah I'm not sure that a NAA flag is acceptable on that answer. It's definitely poor quality, and should probably be deleted, but by regular users instead of a mod flag.
 
9:37 PM
@RyanM Congratulations! Well deserved.
 
Since I have only just crossed the 10K line ... the poster has edited his closed question to address some points I asked about - but there's still no show of their own efforts. Is it OK to reopen, or reopen-pls? One could come up with a solution to what they want to achieve from here, but ...
 
@tink I'm not sure how the 10k matters. I thought the only privilege that granted was to see deleted posts. But to answer your question, if you think that the OP has edited their question into a form that is clear, and answerable, you can vote to reopen. Since you're not involved, you can post a reopen-pls as well. The OP not showing their attempt is basically irrelevant to whether the question should be reopened or not.
 
@cigien - cheers. And the 10K matters (might matter?) in that I also see a "reopen" link, which, I assume, means that I can unilaterally open it again?
 
Maybe you've never noticed the reopen link? It's a 3k privilege.
 
Oh ... OK, may well be =}
 
9:46 PM
@tink I'm not sure, but I don't think that's a 10k privilege. Have you not been seeing the reopen link before? And no, unless you're a moderator, or the question was closed as a duplicate, and you have a hammer in the tags on that question, you can never unilaterally reopen. It still needs 2 other users to cast a vote.
 
So what's the difference between the "reopen" and the "reopen/del-ps"?
 
@tink That aside, I think the question is general computing "I would prefer a solution that’s a tool". If they edited to be all about a bash or a python script, sure.
Reopen casts your reopen vote. Reopen/del-pls is a user script link to make a request to do one of those two actions.
 
Oic ... cheers both @cigien and @IanCampbell .. still so much to learn
 
@tink The reopen/del-pls button is added by the Request Generator userscript, and it's to conveniently submit a request in this room. Other users don't see that, they just see the reopen button.
 
Right ...
 
9:51 PM
Hmm, the question says "e.g. using a tool, a bash script or python script", so I think you could edit out the "tool" bit yourself. I see you've left a comment, so the OP might do it themselves. Once that's done, then I think the question is a good candidate for reopening. (assuming it isn't a duplicate, I haven't looked).
 
10:05 PM
Heh. The age old question (on which we often don't see eye to eye) ;D ... I did have a suspicion that it might be a dupe, but couldn't find a decent candidate. =}
 
Wait, which part do we tend to disagree on? Making edits to the post, or finding duplicates?
 
dbc
10:44 PM
That seems like an odd match. Is there somewhere I should mention that?
 
I'm going to f that
 
dbc
Thanks
 
@dbc Yes, you can bring that up in Charcoal HQ. In fact, could I ask you not to run the why command in here? Some of the why reasons contain quite a lot of profanity, since that's the kind of thing that SD tries to catch as well. It's preferable to not have that show up in the transcript here.
 
@cigien what constitutes a dupe and what doesn't =}
@dbc there seems to be a company called xaxis; maybe they're notorious for spamming campaigns?
 
11:01 PM
@tink Ah, I see. I wasn't aware that we disagreed on this in general, but it's certainly possible that we've disagreed on more than one specific instance :)
 
Not in general, you just tend to dispute quite a few of my proposed dupes.
 
I see. I can assure you I'm not singling you out; I tend to dispute dupe targets a fair amount. In fact, I dispute most things I disagree with for whatever reason. I hope that I haven't given the impression of targeting you, that's certainly not been my intent.
 
All good, I never had the feeling you did. (not a vendetta) We just seems to have rather different views =}
 
Ah, ok then :) No harm in different views. A good thing in fact; I certainly learn a lot from them.
 
Indeed ... it's a good thing to question one's own points of view from time to time. I'm always up for a civilised debate, I love the Socratic concept of finding truth by means of discussion. Big fan of Platon's dialogues, e.g. Kriton or Apologeia
 
11:46 PM
 
thanks
 
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