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2:02 PM
@janw I find the answers on the new one to be better. At least for me as a newbie.
@PetterFriberg I tried the Answers on this one, and I couldn't make them work
 
@Scratte post a new answer :)
If you got a better answer it should be posted on the dupe... that's the basic idea...
but yeah people don't care since they like rep...
 
@Scratte You could leave a comment on the new answer asking them to post on the target. Alternatively, if they choose not to, you can flag the answer to be moved to the target I think.
 
Not sure it's worth the effort there are like 100 of question on SO about generating colspan with JQUERY... anyone with interest (needs) can just go through a few of them and see what solution they prefer.
 
@PetterFriberg The best one is the one on this one.. for me anyway.
@cigien Closing as a duplicate would be my preference. The Questions are not identical and moving the Answer would not be optimal.
 
any advice how to act about these two answers: first and second, they are very similar although not exactly same, difference is however just an ID name
 
2:11 PM
@Scratte I thought you were referring to the question that was already closed as a duplicate, sorry. But I don't follow your logic: if the questions are not identical, then how can you close as a duplicate?
 
@cigien They're almost identical. I think you binned the reopen request, no? So it's still closed as "Needs focus"
 
@Scratte The last one is an exact duplicate, exact same requirements as far as I can see. I would normally be ok, with similar requirements.
 
@PetterFriberg I see. But since the duplicate has a different structure in the table, the Answer will look like it's answering a different Question.. sort of. Which it is :)
 
@Scratte Oh, I see. That's not a big deal, since Petter left a comment with the target. I don't think it's worth reopening just to close as a dupe. Reopen votes are cheap, but close votes are not, so unless you find a hammer who's willing to close as a dupe, I wouldn't reopen.
 
I mean the one with the green stuff has classes.
@cigien I may be able to.
 
2:16 PM
Not sure it's worth the effort Scratte, there are millions of similare stuff...
 
@Scratte Sure, go ahead and find one then.
 
The best effort would be spent in convincing close voters to find dupes and people that answers to look for dupes first and if they exists answer on those...
 
@cigien Well.. I'm not sure how this will go though. It's not entirely the normal way to have users close a post :)
It only needs one reopen vote and then a dupe hammer.
 
Praveen for sure has an hammer in jquery....
 
@Scratte Yes, so find a dupe hammer who's willing to use it on this post. They'll almost certainly be willing to cast a reopen vote, it's not like anyone runs out of those :p
 
2:21 PM
just ping him.. he's always around. He can reopen and hammer if you want...
 
@cigien Except my pick of user is a bit risky :)
@PetterFriberg OK. That will be plan B :)
 
@Scratte It's not clear to me what the issue is here. What's risky about any of this?
 
They will come to your house with the hammer probably...
 
@PetterFriberg Lovely.. I'll have coffee :)
 
even better for me... I'm reconstructing mine :D
 
2:25 PM
Your coffee? How can you do that? You kept some beans?
 
Personally I'd love to have a coffee bush in my living room.
 
2:58 PM
@Dharman I love deleting stuff that don't use prepared statement....
 
Me too, I don't find such posts useful.
For some reason that is a lot of PHP questions to delete
 
also in java... but yeah delete'em all... so people stop and find how it should be done...
 
@Yatin What details does it need?
 
Is this question on-topic? Trying to decide on migrating
 
3:14 PM
yes
 
@Machavity The "Why does GNU cp use FICLONE and not copy_file_range? (Is there a technical reason, or is this just historic?)" is fine on U&L
I really don't see how it's programming related as is not even the history of a language but a tool.
In general it touches on the linux kernel api for copying files, and sadly, anything with the kernel api is complicated because historic reasons.
 
Why the 6 upvotes?
 
@Yatin It's a rhetorical answer, see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/300987/…
 
Should I edit it to:
> Your form should have enctype="multipart/form-data" attribute.
Ok thanks @Dharman
 
Yeah, but I jumped the gun
It's actually a good answer
 
@Yatin No, don't do it as it doesn't improve anything. Rhetorical answers are acceptable
 
3:52 PM
What's a rhetorical answer? Is that really a question?
 
A rhetorical answer is a answer style, nothing more.
 
I don't think there's such a thing though. There's a Rhetorical question
 
Okay, my bad, it's a rhetorical question in an answer
 
let's call it a "tautological question" :)
 
I just found the urban dictionary for rhetorical answer, but now it's getting quite convoluted :)
Like this one "A rhetorical answer is the instance where an answer is given to an unasked question but it is anticipated to be thought of by the majority of those involve in the conversation."
 
4:40 PM
Should this question be re-opened? stackoverflow.com/q/65574635/11573842
> Why is this question closed as opinion-based? I think it is rather about the advantages and disadvantages of two different implementations and the pros and cons can be supported with hard facts like mentioned in the previous comments
^ comment under the question
 
Is this NAA (link-only) or could the question be interpreted as asking for links?
 
@JeanneDark That's a post that says you need to use code mapping. I don't see that as feasible without a link. And it's still an Answer without the link.
 
@Scratte But is it still an answer without the Link?
 
^+1
 
... subtle humour about letter cases. ;)
 
4:46 PM
Without the link, I can still lookup regions and code mapping
 
Thanks!
 
I posted a comment.
@Yatin Why did you add a comment.. that's identical to another comment? Well.. almost.
Someone undeleted their NAA deleted in the queue. I expect an auto-flag was raised. Does anyone know the ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival) by which I mean handling on those?
 
6-8 weeks? ;)
 
Lol
 
Those go in the regular mod flag queue. I expect as soon as a mod has had their coffee
 
4:59 PM
That's going to a long time to have an NAA sitting :D But not the longest. I found one from 2013 a while back.
Making coffee for all the moderators
 
@Scratte is there an auto-flag raised on undeletion from NAA flags?
 
@rene Yes, I'm pretty sure. There a meta.stackexchange post on it. I'll see it I can find it.
 
How does deleting work? What can cause a post to be deleted, and what does that actually mean? What are the criteria for deletion?. Under "How can I undelete one of my posts?": If it was deleted by... from review (without three trusted users voting to delete): you can undelete it, but doing so will alert moderators
 
If a diamond moderator is in the room, please migrate this question stackoverflow.com/questions/65583284/… to meta so that you get a better guide
 
5:07 PM
@JeanneDark Good one :) And on our own meta too :) "Post was undeleted by the author: after deletion by review votes, the author cast an undelete vote"
 
They have already asked a question, I am looking at it.
 
5:18 PM
Interesting. I flagged a comment saying "Don't take the downvotes personally. SO is a great place for people to take out their anger on anonymous internet strangers that they can't take out on their colleagues." as NLN and the flag was declined.
 
It's on meta now.. so opinion are fine.
 
I would have flagged that as rude as it's insulting downvoters.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated I don't see that it does. Stack Overflow is a harsh place. And they're just saying two different things.
@JeanneDark Why did you remove the link?
 
@Scratte ? See the list of duplicates.
 
Ahh.. I see :)
 
5:22 PM
@JeanneDark Could be a bug. I flagged it too and I don't have a declined flag
 
@Scratte The comment adds absolutely nothing of worth. It would have been different if they had explained that downvotes are a content-rating mechanism.
@Dharman But the comment's still there
 
Yeah, I flagged it again
 
Now that it's on meta, I highly doubt it will get deleted
 
Maybe we should use a stronger flag type.
 
@JeanneDark It does add something of some worth. It tells the author who is clearly very concerned not to worry too much about them.
 
5:28 PM
But we don't downvote to feel better about ourselves or because we are fueled by rage.
 
@Dharman How do you know no one does that? I see comments that looks like their fueled by rage.
 
@Scratte That comment is saying that everyone who downvotes does it out of ill intent. If a comment is fueled by rage, it's gotta go.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated No it doesn't. There's a full stop there.
 
Some people do, but that is not the point of downvotes. If you tell a new user that this is what downvotes are for then they will have skewed opinion of SO
 
Also, it's irrelevant, but seems the question asker has a bunch of mental health issues, that comment doesn't do anything to help.
 
5:30 PM
@Dharman I'm not sure how they can have that. They're already fearful of posting on Stack Overflow. Telling them that downvotes are just content rating that will get them Question banned by really nice people, is hardly going to help hem.
 
@Scratte But wrong and insulting info is helpful?
 
And telling them that we are fueled by rage and we downvote questions all the time because we feel angry will help?
 
I'm reading it as someone else's experience.
 
I am also afraid of asking questions on Stack Overflow, but try and stop me. Just because one is afraid of something does not mean they won't do it. If you tell them the truth at least they will know what to think about unsuccessful questions
 
@Scratte Only if they themselves downvoted for that reason
 
5:32 PM
Sometimes fear is good.
 
@JeanneDark Or had a few bad experinces with harsh comments and a downvote at the same instance.
 
If they do downvote for that reason, I don't see why it's relevant still. They're saying everyone downvotes out of rage. That's not true.
 
@Dharman Not like that.. there's fear that make you cautious and fear that paralyses you. The paralyzing is not good and it has physical health risks too.
 
I don't fear when asking questions... what's there to fear? Losing fake internet points?
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@Scratte You mean they got a comment like: "Great question/answer but I'm so frustrated in my personal life and at work that I take out my anger on you and downvote you!"
 
5:34 PM
@Scratte It's the same fear, the difference is your reaction to it
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated the ability to keep asking
 
@Dharman It's not voluntary. It's the opposite of voluntary. It's your entire being telling you there's a huge lion right in front of you that going to rip you apart. And it doesn't ease up.
 
@Scratte It's useful because then they will know that they can improve something. In case of mean anonymous strangers downvoting out of frustration, they can't.
 
@JohnDvorak If you contribute in other ways that are good, pretty sure you won't get a ban. I've asked like 5 questions that got downvoted, still no ban.
 
@JeanneDark I understand how you see it. I can see it both ways. If you're fine then Stack seems like an OK place. If you're not, then having that in the back of your head saying "maybe it's not just me that's horrible" is not a bad things.
 
5:38 PM
Let me say this: Stack Overflow was a much nicer place when I didn't contribute here.
Since I started to get involved in curation efforts I see a lot of bad stuff. I worry more, I get revenge downvotes, I get rude comments, I get into arguments with people.
If it was to be too much for me then I would log out and just use SO like I did before. Offline.
 
I think maybe in their situation downvotes could be, well, a bit harsh. Piling on downvotes is just something way too harsh. The OP gets the point when there are 2 downvotes, why downvote it to oblivion even further?
 
If someone is sensitive about them being OK, then a comment like "Why don't you search the internet? I could find that in 5 minutes" just doesn't help. It's not even considered really rude. I do consider it rude as one cannot know if they tried or not.
@Dharman You mean online, but not logged in? :D
 
It's unkind at the very least
 
@Scratte When you get that comment it's usually because once you put the title in search engine you get thousands of solutions that will be used as duplicate target.
 
I used to leave RTFM comments, but now, I just ask, "Did you search the internet?", or something like that.
 
5:43 PM
@Dharman Ah. Yes. They could have searched for weeks, and then finally decided to ask a Question and then spending 15 minutes to find a perfect title, and forgot to search the internet using their own title.
 
Yeah, so instead of adding such comment, just close and the comment will be posted for you automatically
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated That's not very kind though. Tell them what to search for.. if not, you're just basically telling them you don't think they bothered.
 
When I asked my first question I was told my title was really dumb and that I should use the internet...though I was on the verge of tears when I saw that comment.
 
@Nick thanks for brewing me 2 coffees...
 
5:51 PM
@Yatin You rolled back to the revision which had a thanks...
so the answer wasn't there but the thanks was.
 
I need to sleep
 
That's why I don't rollback... it gets confusing when in an edit war :)
 
I had to reload the page.
@solid.py Is it okay now?
 
@solid.py VLQ is not a close reason. Why do you think it should be closed?
 
I find this question highly unconstructive, however it seems that I chose the wrong flag to close it under.
 
5:57 PM
I am not sure whether any close reason fits. I don't think this question should be closed
It might not be very useful, but that is what the downvotes indicate.
 
@Dharman I'll edit the title to be more specific. They are particularly asking about importing YouTube from pytube. Not importing in-general...
 
> When importing YouTube from pytube, is YouTube a class?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated That's what should be avoided, no?
 
@JeanneDark Thank you for this post, it does a great job explaining the ambiguous nature of the flag.
 
6:00 PM
It already has 2 CVs, why?
 
@Scratte that's why I don't leave RTFM comments anymore.
 
@Dharman It is ok, IMO. A simple question sure, but a question nevertheless.
 
@solid.py In general, avoid it for questions (unless maybe it's gibberish (but not vandalized). To close a question, select "Needs improvement" and then the respective close reason.
 
@Dharman That's something I ask myself a lot. No actual close reason for this. People just don't like it.
 
6:02 PM
@Scratte FYI I raised a meta post requesting a synonmization, and it was proposed to blacklist the tag...
 
Once it's closed, you'll see delete votes on it immediately.
 
@JeanneDark I am not sure it's a typo since we don't know what the actual error message is.
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Yes. I told you about the devastation this would start..
 
@Dharman I had only seen the first OP comment saying it had helped them.
 
That would be highgly unlikely
 
6:04 PM
@Scratte which is why I deleted my meta post.... no harm comes from the mask tag being used in multiple ways IMO.
 
Heh.. Someone is going to be searching for that now :D
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, not a close reason, and #28
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated that alone wasn't the proposal. It was pointing out that synonymising image-mask and mask wouldn't fix any of the ambiguity in the tag, and if you want to fix it, the only way would be to force people not to use mask in isolation
 
@Nick But there is no usage of in isolation. It's being used for data and image-masking. Synonymizing mask and image-masking should fix most of the problem.
Then simply retagging all the data questions to
 
People don't read tag descriptions, if you want to fix tags you need to go off tag name alone, especially when it's ambiguous
 
6:12 PM
I agree, it is pretty ambiguous. A burninate just seems way too hard to organize though. I don't feel like writing up a post on it right now...
 
6:44 PM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Wouldn't the tag make the tag unnecessary?
 
@Makyen - am I hallucinating or am I missing some functionality the cv-pls script had in violentmonkey in tampermonkey? I could have sworn it added a "tick-box" to the "close" dialog when run in violentmonkey; now I have to "close" first and then separately send the the cv-pls and manually enter the reason?
 
@tink It should be adding that, unless you mistakenly installed the current release version instead of the current alpha version.
 
6:58 PM
@Makyen I picked the same I was using in violentmonkey, I thought (opened the script URL in violentmonkey, uninstalled that, added tampermonkey, then loaded it) ... let me double-check
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica You need both, plus and
 
@Makyen - that's odd - despite the process laid out above I was on the "stable" rather than the alpha. Sorted now - thank you!
 
@tink np. I'm glad that you were able to resolve it.
 
@Makyen you're awesome ;) thank you!
 
@tink Thanks. You're welcome. :)
 
7:22 PM
 
Can someone tell me why this isn't related to programming? stackoverflow.com/questions/65585148/…
How is it not a question?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated Wow. That's a new low for image-only questions. They give you maybe half of two lines of code
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated I would have closed that as "Needs MCVE" rather than "not programming". An image of code is sufficient for me to close as lacking MCVE, but a camera-phone photo is really unclear.
 
I know it's a horrible question, I just wanted to know how it wasn't a programming question as said in the second comment.
 
(I think there is an ethos that we would rather have the right close reason on off-topic questions. However it is not worth re-opening in order to close it with the right reason, IMO).
 
7:31 PM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated okay, that's beautiful.
 
@JohnDvorak I still think the previous record with the lens flare is better
 
7:46 PM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated You know @RyanM collects those :) And since this is getting deleted, I need to share it
 
True that. It's quite impressive. Should look good on his wall
 
@Scratte a sight for sore eyes ...
 
Here's one I took: i.stack.imgur.com/tqHle.jpg
no lens flare, sadly
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated You posted that in a Question?
 
No, of course not
 
8:05 PM
@Scratte That would be silly. He posted it in an answer. It answers a surprisingly large number of SO questions. How I make program to pass school? Here you go
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated LOL - "lacks focus" ;)
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Heh.. So, @10Repsaysgetvaccinated passed too? :)
 
@tink rene is feeling attacked.
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Did somebody post rene? As an answer?
 
8:19 PM
@Braiam ¿verdad? =D ...
 
You can close answers?
 
@AdrianMole Are you implying there's something rene can't answer?
 
How to calculate focal distance?
 
@AdrianMole The grass is the focus. The flower just got in the way
 
hehe
 
8:22 PM
I understand Thanks in advance but thanks in regards?
 
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated I take your regards and rise a tanks in advantage.
 
Tink's at a dance.
 
but tanks in advance is the best, no competition....
 
@AdrianMole wut?
 
8:30 PM
While discussing examples of incorrect uses of English or misunderstandings of SE policy regarding fluff in posts is entertaining, I feel we could do that without sharing links to actual posts. It might just be me, but I think too much of that could be construed as user shaming.
 
@AdrianMole I always attend formal balls whilst wearing minimalist running "shoes"
 
@IanCampbell heh. Good on yah ;) I have a pair of black suede ones for those occasions ;D
 
@IanCampbell I need to swap over to my new balance minimus trail shoes pretty soon. My merrell vapor trails are nearing the end of their service life
 
Sorry to disappoint, I actually prefer running in typical running shoes or trail runners (IE Altra Lone Peaks). I was just making a dance joke.
 
Am disappoint
 
8:37 PM
@TylerH - I always wanted to try the merrells, but they don't make them wide enough for my flippers =(
 
@tink the vapor glove was a joke. Loved the way it looked, but it was sized horribly and the sole is laughably thin
I would have had more protection and stability by actually running barefoot
the vapor trail is a delight though
 
Although, I'll be totally honest, I've never tried it despite being a somewhat active runner (3 full marathons and a half).
 
Heh. There are certain terrains where I second guess my choice occasionally - but on the whole I'm really happy with my fivefingers, thin-soled as they are. ;)
 
Maybe now is the time.
 
Nice Ian ... I only have one marathon and two DNF ultras ... ;)
 
8:42 PM
@cigien I agree with that. Except if it's already posted, then it's tricky to not have a link.
 
@IanCampbell Definitely ease into it; most people who try it I feel like they just go whole hog and swap all their running to minimalist shoes, and then they get injured
if you've got good form it's probably less of an issue though
 
What Tyler said: ween yourself into it slowly. Even if you have "good form" a change from e.g. 8mm heel-drop to none can have pretty devastating effects on your achilles if you overdo it.
 
@AdrianMole You're on the blog! Ciao Winter Bash 2020! And you're the tallest one :)
 
Well, Lone Peaks are zero drop, but my typically running shoes have drop. Bad news, though, is I am sure I have terrible form. Since no one ever taught me what good form is.
 
Woo Hoo! I'll assume the cheque's in the post. :-)
 
8:49 PM
I'm a legend lucky dog.
 
@IanCampbell Yes. You're a legend now :)
 
@IanCampbell - after my 2nd DNF (and having recovered from the injury that had caused it) I went to see a sports physiologist who did a form/gait assessment on me; that was a pretty interesting exercise, in particular comparing my form in KSO Evos (one of the thinnest soles on fivefingers available) and the well-padded New Balance with 8mm drop. My reportedly "good form" in the fives immediately changed to a thumping heel-strike in the padded shoes =D
 
Ironically my sister-in-law has a PhD in sports physiology. Maybe I can bum a free gait assessment.
 
That may end up as a Bumgate scandal.
 
9:04 PM
 
9:21 PM
A user commented that my edits were inappropriate to this answer. Does anyone feel any part was unjustified? I can revert it if necessary.
 
@IanCampbell You mean you're questioning whether you were right to edit out the profanity and things unrelated to the Answer? :)
 
@IanCampbell Your edits were correct. Ignore the comment. You can of course explain why you made the edits if you want.
 
Thanks for the feedback.
 
I can't upvote your comment, @TylerH (been busy upvoting those made by Natty) but it's good. Actually, what Ian edited out was worse than noise - it was abusive.
 
9:27 PM
I settled for noise since it is less aggressive/accusatory in tone
 
Indeed - which is why I wanted to tiny-vote it (as Scratte would say).
 
Oh goodness, it's catching on.
 
:)
It got 4 tiny-votes already :)
 
10:11 PM
 
10:54 PM
It is about to get Wednesday here, I'm off to bed.
 
o/
 
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