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@tripleee no duplicate target specified (and I don't like the idea of trying to stem verb endings with regex.)
Is it OK to cv-pls a question that is a self-duplicate of a question OP asked an hour ago that I posted an answer to?
@Makyen thanks - I missed that somehow
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@Makyen - I just realized I may be "involved" on this reopen request chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51026231#51026231. If so can you bin the request?
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01:23
Thanks. I think of "involved" as preventing close or delete requests. Hadn't made the connection for reopen requests also.
@RobbyCornelissen should be flagged as R/A
I flagged as VLQ. Didn't find it that rude :)
@RobbyCornelissen it's more the "abusive" of site resources aspect...
Hmmmmm... If we're going to go with that interpretation of abusive, I'll be flagging all day :P
01:31
@RobbyCornelissen :D
 
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04:26
Unfortunately, it's not an app issue: Can't repro here. The Favicon changes well in this code. 😁 I am on macOS latest Chrome as of now and on Incognito mode. ScreencastPraveen Kumar Purushothaman 3 mins ago
04:45
@Nick I just took a look at it and both questions are now closed and have valid answers. I think the correct course of action is costum flagging a mod to merge the 2 threads.
@bad_coder you might be right.
05:22
Is this considered an answer? Or should the author have flagged the question as a dup?
Heh.. the target has the error in a quote. Makes it much harder to read :(
05:41
^ this spammer was already evicted from a couple of other channels
I wish you didn't have to join each room to flag their posts
@tripleee Don't you get the blue numbered button on the top left of your profile pic where you type messages? I just clicked that and got a list of all their messages to flag
because I flagged each manually
two of them I got before this one
in the blue balloon
@bad_coder there was a comment indicating a duplicate, but it got closed and reopened and the comment had disappeared as a result
 
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07:29
@Yatin I do not see it as recommendation. I think Broad or Opinion Based is more suitable.
 
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09:37
@desertnaut Do you flag such questions as blatantly off-topic? Or do you use some other option?
@Yatin custom (with comment)
@desertnaut Oh ok
@tripleee Don't know what FB is doing on that list :P
10:17
@tripleee Is that answer spam?
@jps it would be advisable not to use all-caps in such comments
10:32
@JeanneDark the flagged one definitely
@tripleee They also advertised their website on super user
Now it's gone
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@desertnaut it's just copy paste from the tag info
@jps understood. What I try to do in similar cases is to make clear that I am quoting (i.e. include the link, and quote the phrase). That's just me though
11:14
@desertnaut needs editing
@tripleee thanks
11:35
@rene how the heck that user managed to find a off topic question to answer on meta?
This question in case you are wondering meta.stackexchange.com/q/357185/213575
an OP is complaining that they can't post for 90 minutes because their question was closed as a duplicate; that's not how it works, is it? There must be something else going on for them to have a 90-minute cooldown, mustn't there?
@tripleee You can't ask two questions in less than 90 minutes
Rate limiting guide: "Other per-site limits may apply; e.g. on Stack Overflow, new users can only ask once every 90 minutes. Some of these per-site limits do also check the account, not just the IP address."
Suggest OP to consider closely if they really want to ask that other question, or that spend the time searching for solutions/not asking another duplicate, or have a really deep talk with the rubber duck
11:47
they seem to require significantly more than 90 minutes, I have been clicking "harassment or bigotry" on a number of their comments now ...
how upset exactly are they allowed to be before they get suspended?
Someone's about to enjoy a nice forced SO break.
@tripleee Usually until a moderator shows up.
So it's a bit arbitrary, unfortunately.
@Braiam "The Complete Rate-Limiting Guide"
@tripleee That's irritating. It mean one need to set the alarm at night every 90 minutes to get to ask 16 Questions a day. Instead of just asking every waking hour ;)
@Dharman I don't get it.
Accepted answers are pinned to the top and they live like a king while the correct answers are ignored by many people looking for quick solutions
Yes. How is that a bad thing? I mean if a user doesn't want to go past the first Answer on the list, then it's all on them that they "write" bad code.
 
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13:26
@Braiam accidents happen
14:12
it is the 2nd time recently that an OP attempts to "bypass" my comment & CV about non-coding machine learning questions being off-topic here, as stated in the related tag info by... removing the tag (and reporting back)!... :(
"OK, I removed that tag, can you pls answer the question now?"
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14:25
Hello. I want to open an already closed question. Can anyone please help? It's urgent.
@Ava ok
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https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65033772/pyramid-pattern-problem-with-on-time-complexity
This is the question
@Ava but it doesn't qualify...
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@AnnZen why?
@Ava what exactly can be urgent here?
14:28
@Ava cuz it needs more focus.
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I've solved this problem and now I want to post the solution. :)
@Ava I am afraid this is neither urgent nor a reason to reopen it
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I invested significant amount of time (in hours) solving this problem and now when I came here to post my solution, I see the question has already been closed. I feel bad for not able to let the OP know about the solution.
@Ava It's not a total loss, you can provide a link to the answer.
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Since the question is already closed, where should I post the answer?
oh did you mean me to upload the file?
14:36
@Ava no, post a link in the comment section
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@AnnZen ty I'll do it. :)
@Ava Good luck! Thanks for helping the community!
Does anyone know why this regex Question is closed?
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Q: Duplicate tag: [matterjs] - [matter.js]

0stone0matterjs Questions: 103 Created: 5 years, 5 months Viewed: 28 times Editors: 2 About: Matter.js is a 2D rigid body physics engine for the web written in JavaScript. matter.js Questions: 89 4 years, 8 months ago Viewed: 28 times Editors: 1 About: Matter.js is a JavaScript 2D rigid body phys...

@Scratte I think the title/wording might be misleading in asking regex pattern for each language
14:53
@AndrewT. I'm not sure I understand. The question asks if there are other ways than charset ranges to matching no-boundary languages. Not sure if I can think of a better title.
"I urge you to do it fast cause my exam is tomorrow and i gotta sleep in the next 2 hours :P"
@JeanneDark "Osmosis may work. Try sleeping on it"
@JeanneDark where did you see that statement?
@HovercraftFullOfEels See my above request
@Scratte with 12 mentioned languages, I understand it's kind of difficult to make it interpreted as not too broad...
15:00
@JeanneDark got it, thanks. I feel for the poor soul
why my message got starred so sudden :/
@AndrewT. Is that a double negative? :) As in you think it's too broad? Or.. it's not?
But I don't get why it would be too broad. Either the only solution is to specify the range or there's another solution, that will work. One only needs to look at one of those to Answer it.
Yeah, it's hard even for me to judge, it's really between "not too broad" and "too broad"
When in doubt.. keep it open ;)
I guess my personal moderation policy disagree... but you already had a supporter
15:14
@AndrewT. I think that came from posting it here. But I suppose I have two, since I count Question author :) However I have no voting privileges and Question author seemed to have just silently accepted the fate of their post :(
 
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@Makyen that is the 2nd time that I've seen the statement, "double negative" in this chat room in the last 1-2 days. Strange
@HovercraftFullOfEels So, a double-double negative?
@Makyen: I guess I lobbed you an easy pitch. Nice swing.
LOL
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thanks. Yeah, that one was hard not to swing at. :)
16:55
Are you counting the occurrences of "double negative"?
@Scratte Well, if we did that in here, then we'd have a bit more than a double-double-double-double-double negative, but not yet a double-double-double-double-double-double negative. :)
@Makyen :D But if we get there, quoting another double negative shouldn't count :) I'm undecided if your message should count twice.
@TylerH @Yatin I moved this to /dev/null as Suraj posted the same request a bit before you did
Oh np... I missed Suraj's request. Thanks @TylerH
This .net fido Question was edited after the first close vote came in on it. What does it need to get re-opened?
@Scratte I don't think the question is salvageable unless the answer author is willing to change their answer substantively.
@Scratte it still asks for a library, for one thing (see title) - I don't know the subject matter enough to know if it could be a reasonably scoped question that's answerable with something other than "here's a library"
@RyanM Ahh.. so the editor forgot about the title :( And now it also has delete votes.
@RyanM Actually the title could be edited to "Can FIDO 2.0 WebAuthn library be used to communicate with the FIDO 1.0 UAF server?" The issue is the answer.
18:09
@cigien An Answer doesn't make a post useless, does it? What's wrong with the Answer?
@Scratte I'm not sure of this, but my understanding is that the question can't be edited once it's been answered if that invalidates the answer. Even if the answer was answering an off-topic question.
@cigien hmmm...the answer does seem to answer that...and some other questions.
kind of borderline here I feel, it would make the answer at least kind of odd.
@cigien Aren't they asking about the first version really? The FIDO 1.0?
@RyanM Indeed, and if the answer had only lines 2 and 4, and lines 1 3 and 5 were removed, I think the question could be reopened. I'm hesitant to remove chunks of an answer that the author put effort into though.
I still don't understand why one needs to remove something from an Answer to make the Question on topic. Alternative stuff should be fine in any Answer, no?
18:13
@Scratte Sure. I'm just saying that the title can be edited to no longer ask for library recs, similar to how the body was edited.
As in "There isn't a way, but you can do this or this or that"
@cigien Yes, but how would editing that make the Answer invalid?
@Scratte Hmm, that's a good point. It depends on whether the external resources part of the answer is the actual answer, or if it's just alternative stuff.
@cigien I see the core part of the answer to be "No".. and the rest alternative ways. To answer the " can this be used to communicate with the FIDO 1.0 UAF server?"
@Scratte Like I said, to me that answer looks like it's primarily suggesting external resources, and further reading, and such.
@Scratte Ok, that's reasonable. Go ahead and edit it to focus on that part, but in its current state, I'm not comfortable voting to reopen.
@cigien Heh.. I'll comment on it.
18:24
@Scratte You commented on the question? That's not the issue, the title edit should be straightforward. It's the answer that needs editing.
@cigien Yes. I know you argue that. I'm not sure I agree. They just say No, but there is this other alternative. And this other alternative. Consider if you really need this. Extra material..
18:51
Huh, I thought the only thing one could do to other's deleted posts was remove one's own comments. Just discovered that I can edit the target list as well. If anyone knows a link, or meta post listing the stuff that can be done, could you share it please? Thanks.
@cigien Under some circumstances you can also vote to undelete it :)
@cigien What do you mean by "target list"?
@JeanneDark Ah, that one I knew :) But I just tried it, and I can even edit a deleted post. Strange, why didn't I know this?
@HovercraftFullOfEels The dupe target list. This post. See the timeline, I edited the list, and edited the post after it was deleted :p
@cigien Ah, I see. Of course one needs a gold badge in that field to be able to do that, either pre- or post-deletion
@HovercraftFullOfEels Sure. I'm just confused because for some reason I thought that only OP could edit a deleted post. Not sure why I thought that :(
18:59
If there is a post with 1 close vote, how can I find out who cast that vote?
@bad_coder Become a moderator or employee of the company :-)
@TylerH I thought you could somehow see it since the post is up for review, if you cast a vote in the review queue you can see who the other voter is. (but ok)
@bad_coder You have too many privileges to see what other users voted in the queue :D
Being able to review Low Quality Posts is driving me nuts when looking at NAAs ;)
@bad_coder the first close vote will never show up in the review queue history since that vote was made outside of the queue
^ unless it was flagged by someone like me.
19:05
Close votes, delete votes, and reopen votes in general are only visible once a post has been closed, deleted, or reopened. Until then it's not visible (though moderators can see this info).
@TylerH ok, seems slightly inconsistent but there's probably some reason (like giving the first voter a measure of anonymity that depends on outcome.)
Separately from that, you can see actions taken on a review queue item once you have reviewed it (or once the item has been completely reviewed in that queue). It just so happens that there is a close vote review queue where one of the actions is 'vote to close', which also casts a close vote on the question itself
@cigien Interestingly, the OP is the one who can't edit a deleted post, under some conditions: The OP can't edit a deleted question which they deleted (until they undelete it). They can, however, edit a deleted answer which they deleted. Other than that, if you can see a deleted post, and it's not locked, you can edit it.
@bad_coder it's better to think of the review queue actions as separate from votes/flags on the posts themselves.
A lot of review queue actions correlate to and automatically cast an action on the post, but not all
'leave open' for example doesn't cast a vote on the question (there is no 'leave open vote privilege); it casts a vote on the queue item
@TylerH that's an interesting example I hadn't thought of.
@Scratte in which case they can search SOCVR for Scratte's deviousness :)
19:09
@Makyen Oh, so apart from locked posts, I can edit any posts. Thanks for clarifying. I wonder why I can't edit my own deleted question though. What's the rationale for that?
@bad_coder I suppose. But I've taking a break from flagging, so not anything recent :)
Perfect, thanks :)
Plot twist on editing deleted posts: When you edit a deleted Answer, the post is bumped :)
19:27
@TylerH I'm 500 reviews into the CV queue, I have 1 more question: How are posts ordered in the queue? LiFO, FIFO, does expiry on CV's bump a post to the front of the queue? (I tried searching on meta but after a lot of interesting reading I haven't found an answer to this one yet.)
How many roll-backs in an editing war before the post is brought to a moderator's attention? Anyone know?
Can a Moderator PLEASE help me
@allenski: for that you need to flag the moderator (better) or post on meta (not as good). You should not contact them directly in chat rooms.
I am easily suspended from reviewing... I accidentally hit "No Changes Needed" and got suspended for 2 weeks!
Sorry! just wasnt sure how to make contact!
how and where to flag a moderator?
@HovercraftFullOfEels 3 I think
19:31
@allenski then search the Meta Stack Overflow site for similar questions as this has been discussed many times previously.
@rene Thank you. Perfect.
@hover
sorry
@HovercraftFullOfEels This user thinks it's twice for what that's worth.
@HovercraftFullOfEels, having trouble finding a good spot to flag a moderator....
19:35
@rene or other RO: please change this cv-pls request to "typo"
@HovercraftFullOfEels we can't, I can only /dev/null it and you have to re-post
@allenski Don't worry too much about it, a review suspension is supposed to: give you some time to research more on how to review, and pay more attention. It's not a punitive measure and aims mostly at your improvement as a reviewer.
@rene: wrong one, never mind
I'm making mistakes left and right, sorry
sdc coffee @HovercraftFullOfEels
19:39
I'm somewhat sad that the frigging bot is gone just now I need them ...
@rene it doesn't work here?
I already waited 2 weeks lol just to accidentally screw up again!
sdc alive
@rene ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
thank you @rene your links actually helped
I will get back to this later
19:40
@SmokeDetector yeah, shrug u 2
take care all
@allenski np, be careful.
Is this link-only? Or does the added configuration make it an Answer?
@Scratte Works better as a comment
@Machavity Super. Thanks :)
19:46
@Scratte I would have said it's an answer, but Machavity's point about it being a good comment is valid. Yay magical mod powers :-)
Is this an answer? The last sentences are kind of useful i guess... But doesn't feel like an answer...
@Yatin Tricky one
Could be useful if they update the answer later
@klutt Is it useful now? :)
@Scratte Nope. But I feel like explaining and asking them to update it later.
Hahaha, I just realized that the answer I posted was to a nearly ten year old question :D
@Yatin If they get an answer from Google it could be an answer. Also works better as a comment
19:54
@klutt I don't know about that Answer.. but if an Answer is "Not an Answer" now, then it's not answering. That it could potentially be later on is irrelevant. We can't just post placeholders and mention "I'll update when I have an answer".
@Machavity Oh great.. I will leave a comment asking them to update with an answer if they get a positive response... Thanks :)
@Scratte "We cannot have placeholders" Well true, but it's not like it's a common problem
@klutt Every post is a potential awesome one given enough time. Even "I'm having a similar problem. Did you find any solution?" :)
@Scratte I'm gonna stop defending it right now :D
lol! :)
20:03
Is this question on-topic? Also is the answer an answer?
@Yatin nope; general computing and NAA, respectively
@tripleee Thank you :)
20:34
Who's stolen all the happy children? This room seems to be full of grumpy grown-ups. ;(
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Here.. have a 🍺 Don't get too wasted. You'll need to review too ;)
I'm on a review vacation! (Self-imposed I might add - I'm just getting too angry in the queues for the past few days.)
... more and more new users seem to think it's OK to post questions in "friendly SMS" (i.e. no grammar) format.
OK
... so, being a "grumpy grown-up," I came here for some cheering up ... and just found a peer group.
What was that?
... almost made me smile.
What sort of cheering up are you looking for? Needs Details or Clarity.
20:46
I want some major editing to do in the H&I queue. It's the only one that's any good.
@cigien I think picking on Adrian will work :)
I've been meaning to ask. Why is H&I always empty?
@AdrianMole If three users gang up and pick "Need whatever edit that sends it to the H&I queue" than no one will be the wiser :)
All I get is this. Instant headache!
@cigien Because every reviewer that's ever picked the button to put a post in that queue gets suspended.
20:49
The recent changes to the Triage queue buttons have made big impact; prior to those changes, Sam's spate of Review Suspensions also had an effect. Six months ago, the H&I queue often had 20+ posts in at any given time. Nearly all rubbish.
RyanM make it into a joke Please ban me from review button.
Hmm, sounds like H&I might not be a useful queue any more then.
@cigien Schh!.. don't tell Adrian that. It's a very long road to the Steward badge when one can't even do a single review every day :)
@AdrianMole Go!.. There's one now.
I think it has become more useful but the starting point was very low. If there are 10 or so posts a day from Triage that really can be edited into shape by others, then it's working, I guess. An otherwise decent first post that suffers only from bad formatting or bad spelling/grammar should be sent there.
I edited this title to not mention package. Is it on-topic now?
@AdrianMole Ok, that makes sense. So there are a dozen posts sent there daily that are worth editing?
20:57
I don't think so.
There's another problem with the queue. If you pick a button indicating it can't be saved, it raises a VLQ flag.. which sends the post back to Triage. Unfortunately it also sends the flag to a moderator queue, and ...your flag will be declined!
@cigien Were you not tempted to correct Class to class, or did you think that would be changing the question?
@AdrianMole I can't see history for specific days. But if there's literally 1 or 2 a day, it doesn't seem worth it.
@Scratte That should have been changed to a Vote/Flag to Close button - with an automatic "Bad Review" generated against whoever sent it there.
@AdrianMole Yes.. (I swear I saw one in the queue)
21:00
@AdrianMole :p edited, thanks.
I have seen two since I started this conversation. Neither grabbed my enthusiasm.
..but, that doesn't correspond to the stat. That says only 1 today.. the entire day.
Maybe the others were removed by alternate means - like being closed.
found one strangely.. there's a pending edit on that. How does that even work?
That was my first link. Headache.
... it would be easy to make an edit on that (code formatting, spelling) but I don't think it would then a worthy question.
21:04
What happens if you press "Edit" from the queue when there's a pending edit? Does it reject the edit?
... I would like that last Steward Badge, but I'm not going to sell my SO-ul for it.
@AdrianMole But does it matter? There are no close votes on it, so it may as well be you editing it, no? Apart from the pending edit, of course.
@Scratte Dunno. Maybe the same as with other edit clashes - the most drastic wins, I think.
No big loss in this case, just added a code fence. Not even explicitly using the language :(
@Scratte LOL :) gets send to H&I with a pending suggested edit on it...
21:09
If I recall correctly @bad_coder does have the Steward badge for that queue :)
I edited it - if only to silently reject that awful pending suggested edit.
... so we have discovered what happens. I ended up rejecting an edit without actually rejecting it.
Community rejected as "This edit conflicted with a subsequent edit.".. so you were right about that.
And there's nothing 'obvious' in that editor's view that tells them it was me what woz Community!
If they're anything like me, they will go to the post and look at it. Then they'll notice an editor ;)
I'll plead ignorance. Unless they come here, in which case I shall plead my usual insanity.
... Wibble!
21:14
..then they'll notice the edit, and never mention it again :)
21:28
@AdrianMole Like this? ;)
And how's that Christmas Pudding coming along, @rene?
cleaning the oven
@tink I don't see anything in that question that is about an off-site resource, and it's also not indicated by the self-answer the OP just posted.
22:24
Best post of the day starts like this: "I am facing strange problem."
22:49
@KenWhite fair enough; I thought that because he pointed at the microsoft bugtracker that makes it off-site?
@tink It's not asking us to provide them with for an off-site resource. You can reference something on another site as part of the background of your question or to provide additional details about the problem. You can't ask us to recommend or find an off-site resource. The poster doesn't do that at all.
23:40
@KenWhite OK ... I'll retract my close vote, then ... though I still think it's odd to ask us about a Windows implementation problem.
@tink Even if it is asking about a Windows implementation problem, that's still not an off-site resource question. How does it help to close a question for a reason that isn't appropriate to that question?
@KenWhite So is the question actually appropriate or did I just pick the wrong category?
@tink I didn't see an issue with the question myself.
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Heh. OK

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