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I demand compensation!
 
12:42 AM
Is this formatting correct? stackoverflow.com/posts/64309618/revisions
 
Looks right to me
 
and we're back
 
1:01 AM
Is this question clear after the edit? The answers don't make sense anymore. stackoverflow.com/questions/62708855/…
 
@Dharman It seems to have changed the question slightly, but don't see how it could be reopened. I think it should stay closed.
 
I was actually thinking of outright deleting it
 
@10Rep Needs Details probably isn't right. The question was closed as Needs More Focus :)
@10Rep You're right... but The former also works. After all, it does need an MCVE, no?
@10Rep Yes, you're right. Closure can end up wonky sometimes
 
1:33 AM
Can a mod delete a chat room? Like when 2 users take comments under a post to the chat?
 
@bad_coder IIRC, yes. It might also be deleted after a week or something for inactivity.
 
@10Rep I tried finding an authoritative meta post on this but didn't get a hit. Can you find a source for that?
 
@bad_coder Source. I remember reading about it.
 
Well that doesn't answer my question. Can mods delete chat rooms?
 
@bad_coder Yes.
 
1:40 AM
Thank you Makyen.
 
np
 
Quick confirmation, can a 10Ker check if this answer had any spam links edited into it? It was initially posted with zero links.
 
@RyanM No. There were no links edited in.
 
Thanks!
 
 
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3:54 AM
Can anyone make any sense of this?
 
4:22 AM
@AdrianMole Just need to slightly more than double my close-vote reviews and I'll be there for the CV queue...it got further away after someone went and reviewed 10000 posts in the last few weeks :-p
Raised the bar for top-20 by 1280 reviews
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica ...JNI, maybe? I dunno, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Stephen C hit the nail on the head.
 
5:13 AM
can I use to bring attention to spam answers here? Or is it reserved for questions only?
 
5:33 AM
@Yatin typically you would use flag-pls rather than del-pls
 
@Yatin that would be flag-pls.... but you could also join Charcoal and report to smokey
 
okay
 
@Yatin Did you have a particular piece of spam in mind?
 
yeah it was here stackoverflow.com/questions/63297405/… the profile seemed to be designed for this purpose (complete with fake github and twitter links)
 
5:39 AM
Looks like it was deleted before I managed to click it :-)
 
ponders @RyanM's starred post on VLQ flag Is there a way to see what percentage of VLQ flags are marked helpful?
 
6:02 AM
@Makyen please delete my cv-pls on the requirements dump ...I hammered it after the OP clarified the requirement.
 
@mickmackusa It's closed, which fulfills the request. The request will be archived automatically the next time the Archiver is run. I'm not understanding why there would be a need/desire to process it separately. In general, requests are moved to /dev/null when they are no longer desired to be fulfilled, not when they are fulfilled.
 
okay
I don't have all of the userscripts on my work computer, so the request still appeared active to me.
 
I understand there's a general desire to not expend other people's time looking at requests which are already fulfilled. However, the semi-realtime status information provided by the URRS helps significantly to prevent people from spending time on requests which are complete.
 
6:23 AM
Is that a prepopulated reason in the userscript? If not, it should be. :)
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Please remember that we are not supposed to be using "give me the codes", or any of the various spellings or abbreviations for it, in requests.
 
Or, I guess not.
 
@Dharman busted ...
 
6:50 AM
@JeanneDark looks more sinister to me, sending it to Smokey
 
> please don't forget to upvote my comment :)
facepalm
 
@RyanM spam? R/A?
 
@DanielWiddis Spam. Undisclosed affiliation, and if not, it's copied from the link and thus plagiarism.
 
I should have known that. I'm too tired. I'm going to bed, hoping the spam flag is helpful. :)
 
8:18 AM
Is this too broad? If it were specifically asking "Can Kibana read .mat files?" it probably would not, but the title ad mention of visualising data make me think it is.
 
8:32 AM
@Makyen Oh, I ma sorry, what's the right term? I wasn't aware.
Folks, this is my hunch. Seems like a voting fraud here: Why is id variable not passed to this file? - this is a very basic typo / no repro very very poor question, the right answer is already there in the comments. But still, two people have upvoted before the closure. Isn't it like a sock-puppet, y'all think?
 
8:45 AM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman just raise a mod flag. I can't tell whether it is fraud or not. The PHP tag is riddled with unexplainable upvotes.
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Part of the problem is the term was significantly over-used, but, really, the issue is that the way the term has been used has resulted in it taking on a derogatory meaning. I'd say something more verbose with fewer negative connotations. I'd probably say something like "del-pls too broad: question is a requirements dump with the user asking for code to be written to their requirements."
Basically, the goal is to give factual information about the content without saying it in a way which is prejudicial.
 
@Makyen Okay that sounds good, I'll use it. 😁
 
9:31 AM
Would you consider this as NAA?
 
Depends. If you can make a case that it is just a "Thanks" for a proposal to do so it is NAA. If it is originally mentioning the solution it is an answer.
 
@TomerShetah no, but it is useless as that "answer" already exists among the many other guesses .... :/
 
10:04 AM
 
10:29 AM
 
What about this as not an answer: stackoverflow.com/a/64330894/2359227
 
@TomerShetah that is NAA
 
That's a tough one. They say they have a workaround which would normally mean it's an answer, but they don't tell us how to use this workaround which is completely useless. Therefore, I am going to say it's NAA
 
10:50 AM
Is it 'ethical' to delete-vote an answer to a question where I also have an answer? I just came across one on an old post (which I answered long before I had delete-vote rights) ... it had 2 downvotes and already 2 delete votes, so I just added the final push. Then I thought: "This may look a bit selfish."
 
I have done that a couple of times. Just wait till you get called out on meta ...
 
... hehe. Can't wait!
 
It's perfectly fine as long as you do it for the right reasons.
 
It was a very poor answer and, with 2 down votes (not mine) and no ups, I guess I was probably doing the poster a favour.
 
Do I have a sock-puppet account? stackoverflow.com/posts/64324427/revisions
 
10:58 AM
@AdrianMole How do you know the poster didn't appreciate and liked having downvotes? We don't all have the same values and goals here :)
@Dharman Not sure how that revision history would indicate that. The author seems to be fond of "hope that helps"
 
Someone else does what I do. They use the same comment as proposed by Cody
 
So? They could have seen it on another edit, on meta, in chat.. not sure I'd go after copying the summary without attribution :D
Unless you mean to say they may have a moderator sock-puppet account ;) But even if they did, what can you really do about it? They didn't do anything wrong.
 
It's strange that someone does exactly what I do.
 
Maybe it's a fan. They want to unburden you.
 
Imitation is the highest form of flattery.
 
11:09 AM
I appreciate. It's actually really nice. I see that at least one person finds what I do helpful.
 
Another colour in the collective? :D
 
:O I think I'm looking at a Haskell Question in Triage that's not an audit.. and it seems to be slightly not OK.
I really want to "Looks OK" it though, since it'll be reopened by the end of the day anyway :D
 
You can do anything to that but it will always revert to what the Haskell tag (which has a mind of its own) decides.
... even when Sam closed a Haskell question, it was reopened within 24 hours.
 
No, if I "Looks OK" it, I'll get a suspension. It has two close votes from non SME's.. but it's enough to get it closed and I'll be taken hostage in the process.
 
Haskell will save you!
 
I doubt it :D.. I'll keep an eye on it though
I'm not even sure what close reason would fit. So I'm puzzled what the voters used. Though I doubt they took more than 5 seconds to pick including load time
 
1:10 PM
Why is this not deleted? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/27374379 NVM OP undeleted
 
because of course that's a feature that exists
 
and now SO is down for me
 
Me too
 
I think they're fixing the fix that they just fixed.
... again!
 
"Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance" :)
floating-point support not loaded. But.. my flag counts are integers. I do not need floats.
floating-point support not loaded. But.. my flag counts are integers. I do not need floats.
 
1:18 PM
Posts here seem to be echoed twice.
 
Pro tip: when the second message appears with an error, the correct choice is "cancel"
 
Posts here seem to be echoed twice.
 
echo
 
Yeah, chat is wonky as well
 
wheres SO when you need it...
 
1:21 PM
Poor SE ops team, they have a handicap no other ops team in the world has when their servers are down :D
 
Am I logged in? How strange.. it told me I had to log in to chat.
@RyanM I tried to edit the second line.. but that came with a new error :(
 
@Scratte I told you the correct choice was "cancel" ;-)
 
@RyanM I didn't have that option! :)
 
If you see your chat twice, it likely means your device didn't get a proper response but it still went through
 
Yay! Floating-point support is back. I can see my flag count in integers again :D
@Machavity It told me I had to log in :(
What it I see my message thrice? :D
 
1:32 PM
Is there a format here that should be used to suggest NAA? Is that even the right forum?
 
@Scratte Refresh the window. Should go away
 
@Scratte That's the definition of a bad rule; if something should only be done by a moderator then it shouldn't be exposed as an option for normal users, clearly
My point was that the LQP queue (and Triage) suck and should be completely reworked.
 
@TylerH That's not really what I meant. I meant that the result is meant to be consistent. So no 20K delete votes for wrong or bad Answers are allowed in the queue.
 
The notion that something should deserve a deletion vote outside of a queue but not in a queue means the queue is broken. A review queue should exist only to funnel items of a certain type to put them in front of users more readily... there should not be any artificial restrictions on what you should do just because you're in a queue
 
@TylerH A quick 'rework' would be to replace them with two queues: "Low Quality Triage" (nothing need change to get that) and (naturally), "Posts."
 
1:41 PM
it's the kind of restriction/rule you will never succeed in teaching people because it's completely counter-intuitive
 
@TylerH No. It doesn't mean the queue is broken. That's like putting a close vote on a fine Question in the close vote queue. That's also not allowed. Though you can do it outside the queue.
 
@Scratte That example doesn't make sense or match what I'm saying
 
@TomerShetah NAAs should just be flagged. Not requests. More flags don't get the Answer removed faster. Unless you can't flag it yourself for some reason.
@TylerH Why not?
 
The LQP review is (IMHO) designed to allow users with <20K to help remove clear NAA- and VLQ-flaggable posts. However, it seems that folks are using it to gain the "Delete Answer" privilege without 20K rep.
 
^ that too. It's a problem.
Only real NAAs can be removed in the queue. That's what it's meant for. Abusing it to delete any kind of Answer is subject to being suspended.
 
1:45 PM
@AdrianMole People aren't "using it" for any such purpose; it is a queue that they are told they have access to and they go to it and push buttons
SO provided them with a 'recommend deletion' button, that they should click whenever they think the content is not worth keeping around
because that's what the phrase 'recommend deletion' means in English
 
That's not what the guideline on meta says.
 
the problem is there are fake rules about when you should click that button based on reputation (hello? easy fix)
and based on some other arbitrary decisions
 
There are similar problems with flagging as VLQ and NAA when people say "But it's not answering the Question". It doesn't matter. There are rules for when a post is an NAA and those are the ones that determine when a post is deleted (by moderator or the queue).
 
The point is the rules are dumb because they're counter intuitive and SO the company needs to fix it by telling Meta to use the queues as they are designed or by redesigning the queues how Meta wants. Til then folks are just grasping at straws trying to make the queue do/be/for something else.
 
If one can just flag any Answer as being NAA or VLQ and have it deleted in the queue if others just agree.. then the rules are being violated.
 
1:49 PM
@TylerH Agreed on the "dumb" aspect. And "counter-intuitive."
 
@TylerH I'm not so sure about that. There are very clear rules spelled out on meta.. it's not just new reviewers that get it wrong and push the delete button when they shouldn't
 
@Scratte that actually sounds exactly fine and how flagging should work. Why shouldn't multiple 'this content should be deleted' flags by privileged users delete said content? That's how all community-based actions work on SO
 
@TylerH No, it's not. Look at uses getting suspended from Triage for picking the wrong choice even if other users agree with them. The choice to pick is actually not the few reviewers agreeing. They need to pick the choice from the consensus on the entire community and that's the "clarity" from meta
 
@Scratte you seem to be stuck on "what Meta says". "What Meta says" is not how the queue was designed. It is just how some people, including a moderator, decided they wanted it to be used after some period of time. I'm talking about what is, not what Meta wants.
 
Can somebody remind me what rep. level grants access to LQP? Maybe that's the problem, and it should be raised. Or allow lower-reps to delete-vote heavily downvoted answers?
 
1:52 PM
Users should not have to divine that they need to go to Meta, find some relevant discussions, parse them completely, etc. before using a queue.
@AdrianMole 500 IIRC, but I could be wrong
 
How it was designed is immaterial. It's how it's evolved that important. Triage also was designed to be a quick queue. It's not. A quick review gets you suspended.
 
That seems very low. There is no explicit mention of LQP in this list but 500 says only FP and LA (plus Triage for SO only).
 
Wait what...?!? Stuck on what meta says?!? Of course I am. There's where the consensus is reached!
 
@AdrianMole lowest I've seen is 2k so far
yeah, it's looking like 2k is the lower limit
 
Low Quality Posts queue is accessible from 2K reputation points.
 
1:56 PM
That's more reasonable than 500, at least. (No offence!)
 
But I do not think that is the issue. Even high reputation users delete code-only every post in there.
That is not just one moderator. This is 260 net users agreeing with this moderator: You're doing it wrong: A plea for sanity in the Low Quality Posts queue
 
@Scratte Consensus means diddly squat when it comes to changing how the website works. That requires employees to act. Sam, et al could decide today that only users who have been on the site at least 4 years to review in the LQP and no one should ever click "Looks OK"... but that's just a decision that holds no effective weight. Sure Sam could go on a one-man banning spree again for people who violate those rules... but the queue still works the way the queue works...
...because it was designed to work the way it was designed to work, not the way some users on Meta decided they wanted it to work years later
 
But if users are getting banned for picking the "wrong option" then that changes behaviour and that's the "new way". And the post I linked to is 5 years old. So it's not even new.
 
Sam's efforts re. Triage have certainly changed things! I can't remember the last time I saw more than a handful of posts waiting in H&I.
... but I would rather he had waited until after I got my last Steward Badge! xD
 
Did the edits to this improve the question enough to reopen it?
 
2:03 PM
@AdrianMole lol!.. I'll live with not doing the Low Quality Posts, since we have effective moderator though :)
 
Someone added the code from the comments, and I ran it and got the actual output.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I'd say so. The code compiles fine and gives the output they say it does.
 
@Scratte Technically, the output I say it does :) I ran it myself and added it.
Slightly heavy-handed editing from a few people, but it's worth it to get the question reopen-worthy
 
But it deviates from the users intent! They clearly intended to post a poor question! /s
 
It appears to have all the elements for a reopen :) How much value it has for Stack Overflow is another matter, but I do not think it should be kept closed for that reason, since I find it to be a lot better than most other "debug-my-tictactoe" posts.
But you should probably remove the line feed in expected result at the top. They don't make any sense.
 
2:18 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica might not be worth it since it's at -9. Hard to come back from that without a Meta effect
 
But having a closed post at -9 is worse than an open post at -9 from a Question ban perspective.
Having a closed and deleted post at -9 is even worse.
 
@TomerShetah I don't know enough spring-boot to double check, but it seems like that question had enough detail for someone to give an ok looking answer.
 
2:57 PM
 
3:14 PM
 
Is this NAA? IMO, it is link only and hence yes. Any other text than link is not attempt to answer the question. It may suite far better as comment though.
 
@AmitJoshi well, sort of useful to know that an MRI series is maybe involved. Not full NAA, agree it is better as a comment given what really matters is off-site.
 
3:40 PM
I really feel like an inordinate amount of Tensorflow/Keras questions are off-topic. They all seem like quite broad "how to improve my machine learning algorithm" questions
Makes me wonder if there are any questions under those tags/categories that are on-topic.
 
What if we allowed those?
 
3:54 PM
@JohnDvorak allowed what?
 
What if we allowed neural network design questions?
It is a form of programming, and it is only done by programmers.
 
4:11 PM
@JohnDvorak Reminds me of the "Programming on a boat" post on meta.stackexchange.
 
We do allow questions about IDEs
Isn't it a form of programming?
 
@JohnDvorak That's tools used by programmers. It is possible for non-programmers to use IDEs to make todo lists, but I'd say that's unlikely that those users will post a perfectly fine mcve for when they hit the wrong setting and everything on their list turns up with red squiggly lines.
 
Unless that's the default. I'm not sure :)
In the land of possibilities I could imagine a Question of one having written their todo list, and upon pressing run was baffled that the list wasn't getting done. But.. I'm pretty sure that would get closed pretty fast too, despite it being "My IDE didn't do my dishes. Why?" :D
 
but why wouldn't designing neural networks count as an act of programming?
 
4:24 PM
I'm not sure that it does. Anymore than designing train scheduling is. But.. once it's about programming the scheduling or the neural network, isn't is about programming?
 
What's the computational power of a train schedule?
 
About as much as ruby on rails?
 
Then it is on topic here :P
 
4:46 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Simple solution downvote all
 
@Dharman I thought one wasn't suppose to downvote a good post.
 
Define good
 
I expect you do not agree, but I liked the one answer that details what happens on each iteration explaining how it never goes to 0.
 
What is it an answer to? What is the question? Just because it looks nice does not mean you can post it wherever you want.
If the question is unclear than any answer is just noise and low-quality
Also, the answer is nothing more than "you made a typo. Use double slash instead of a single one"
 
@JohnDvorak I think you need to read a book before deciding
 
5:00 PM
Ahh.. but now you're using the fact that the Question is poor to say that the Answer is not good.
 
Yes. If you answer poorly written questions and your answer does not save the question then in my opinion this answer deserves downvote
 
@Scratte when the ship has no goal, every wind is bad wind
 
@JohnDvorak I still don't agree with downvoting every post on a thread just because the Question is poor. That is not a very good approach, in my opinion.
 
Personally, I have no problems about implementing anything in programming, but designing....
 
5:03 PM
Designing algorithms is on-topic here, isn't it?
 
@Dharman Right. But then you're not voting on merit of the post. Then you're voting on the merit of another post.
 
If the answer is really good then it would not deserve downvote. In this case there are two answers which are completely different, and without knowing what the question was they are pure rubbish to me
 
And neural networks are but a class of algorithms, in a sense.
 
Well, anything that decides can be shoved into algorithms, but useful algorithms are usually named already.
 
@Dharman One of the Answers completely missed the Question. So? Happens all the time on even very good Questions. Should I downvote a Question because it has a poor Answer too?
Also, the Question asks why it happens, and the one Answer explained why it happens.
 
5:06 PM
If question generates, by nature rather than circumstance, bad answers, it shall held against the queston.
 
@Scratte Look at it this way. Is the answer useful on its own? If it is then try to salvage the question. If it's not then you can downvote it. In this case neither answer showed any value. One was just pointing out a typo and the other I have no clue what it was pointing out. The third answer was telling OP to cast some value to int. None of these answers teach me anything on their own. Even if the question would be good, I don't think I would see any value in these answers.
@Scratte I still have no idea what happens. The question is "Can anybody please diagnose the error?" What error? What code? What happens?
 
@Dharman Do you think that maybe it doesn't teach you something is because you already know a lot?
 
I don't know Python.
 
@Dharman So?.. some things one picks up with experince.
Another thing is the idea that it will stop if users don't Answer them. There is no evidence to suggest that is true. That's just some idea that gets told until people believe it.
 
You can argue that the answer was useful to you because you learned something from it, but you can say that almost about anything. As Curators, we must evaluate how useful this answer will be for people in the future finding this question.
How likely are you going to find this answer in the future and think that this is a good explanation of the two operators? There's a canonical for this type of questions already.
 
5:14 PM
I'm not saying that the Question is useful, far from it. It's not. I'd have flagged it for sure if I came across it. But, I would not have voted on the Answer.
 
I did because I didn't find them useful.
 
@Dharman That is fine. But that is not how it came across here
 
Ugh, I haven't seen probability functions with alfa and beta values since my days in econ maths :S
 
Question has no MRE/unclear -> people post low quality answers -> me sees it and downvotes all.
 
5:59 PM
 
@Dharman I hope curators in the future will know their business, whenever I post an answer it's because canonicals answers didn't capture the needed detail for a given circumstance, nor did the canonical question give enough scope to elaborate on specific circumstances.
 
@bad_coder are you planning to post this theoretical answer on the canonical question, at least?
If not, expect little mercy in that regard
 
6:17 PM
@TylerH no it's a joke, I answered an extremely specific question in the comments a few days back. The OP's answer was saying:"here's a canonical" that failed at solving anything about his question...The guy didn't even bother to say thank you.
@TylerH so lately it's been my experience the "real gems" are detailed -circumstanced- Q&A's with +1 or +2 that got little appreciation.
 
@bad_coder those are what we call 'diamonds in the rough'
 
@TylerH Those "diamonds in the rough" are what's been adding real value for me on SO.
 
7:02 PM
This duplicate c question was incorrectly posted with the c++ tag. Is it ok if I use my c++ hammer to close it, or should I remove the wrong tag, and just VTC it?
 
@cigien if you know it's a duplicate, vote to close as a duplicate. The fact it was wrongly tagged is not that big of a deal assuming your vote is correct
anyway, it's already been dupehammered by someone with the tag
 
7:23 PM
 
7:40 PM
@AdrianMole an answer you deleted from review is debated on meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/402028/578411
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8:13 PM
@TylerH Ok, that makes sense. I wasn't sure if it's a misuse of hammer privileges. A lot of dupes get incorrectly tagged with c++, and I'm not always comfortable hammering, say, a python question (even if I'm sure it's a dupe).
 
@rene Thanks for the heads up! Nothing much to say in terms of justifying my actions, but I left a comment, just for the record.
 
@AdrianMole yeah, I saw the other answers come in. Not much to add ... ;)
 
8:38 PM
Hmm. I just had a Late Answer audit which was quite clearly NAA flaggable. I checked by opening the link, and it was deleted. However, when I tried to flag the post (to get my lovely "Congratulations" message), I saw that I had already flagged it as NAA. I thought this shouldn't happen. (In the end, I just downvoted - that passed the audit!)
 
@AdrianMole This has happened to me as well. I open the link in a different tab, and it seems fine.
 
It was an audit: Opening in a new tab showed me the post in deleted pink - and the only flag one can raise on that is a mod flag.
 
Perhaps you flagged it as NAA before it got deleted and just forgot about it?
 
I did flag it before it was deleted (obviously), and I even vaguely recognized it. However, I thought audits weren't supposed to be presented to users who were 'involved' already.
 
Should I have rejected this edit? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/27380725
 
8:50 PM
@10Rep Possibly, but not as Spam/Vandalism. "No improvement..." would have been a better reason, IMHO.
 
It changes the meaning of the question.... I don't know
 
@10Rep No, it's a good edit.
 
@Dharman Just asking, why did you approve the edit? It doesn't do anything good to the post, in fact it changes the meaning slightly.
 
I found the suggested title to be better suited than the current one
The previous title was confusing. The new title describes the issue properly.
 
9:07 PM
I am not an SME, so I will take your word for it
 
9:18 PM
@Makyen your meta.SE post has 2 typos. The couple of sentences right above the screen shot. Should be "I'm" only has "I'" and "is only just started" should be "has only just started". Perhaps "is only just starting."
 
@TylerH Interesting question. Closed once before and then reopened on the 9th reopen review...
 
@bad_coder Thanks. Yep.
 
@TylerH I think that one needs a historical lock. It was asked in 08, (which was waaaay before I started programming) and rules were different back then.
 
9:38 PM
@10Rep if it gets into a delete/undel or close/reopen war, then maybe
 
@TylerH It has already been through it. According to the official guidelines, it just needs to get closed/reopened at least once, which is true for this question.
 
@10Rep I don't personally count one closure/reopen as a 'war'
You can also tell from the question history that it was reopened under duplicitous circumstances
 
I don't count it as a war either, but it doesn't have to be a war in order to be historically locked.
 
Looking at the timeline as David points out, though, it has been constantly reopen-queued by misguided individuals
 
Should I edit this answer? stackoverflow.com/a/23398113/1839439
 
9:49 PM
@10Rep @DavidBuck I've flagged it for historical lock
 
I've also put a meta post up, FWIW.
 
@Dharman I just did
so that may remove the need for you to edit it
 
I'm running a cleanup of the babel tag if anyone wants to chip in
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@TylerH I see it already has one reopen vote so a lock might make sense. I just noticed that someone posted an edit, removed by a mod saying "Please vote to reopen - see comments" but the comments are gone, so...
 
@DavidBuck Yeah, those are the duplicitous circumstances I was referring to
Editing a question to include advocacy re: opening/closing is never appropriate
@Machavity fun fun fun...
 
9:54 PM
I wondered why the reopen queue even reopened it after an edit like that. Maybe putting that in the edit summary is acceptable, but not in the body of the question.
 
@10Rep It was edited in as an html comment so the edit was not visible without viewing the markup. Reopen voters almost certainly were just people who thought the question should be open in general
while the edit probably didn't put the question in the review queue (though I'm not certain), it definitely put the question back on the front page
 
That's smart.... certainly allows room for abuse :)
 
Last SD report is spam
 
and is now deleted
@DavidBuck btw, you can reply to the SD report with key phrases to officially record it as such if you are privileged
 
@TylerH I am not endowed with such privileges
 
9:58 PM
Im doing it in Charcoal
 
@DavidBuck They're running a special for this week. Ask now and get all your Charcoal privs for free (normally a $0.00 value)
 
@DavidBuck I'm not pushing you to get them, but if you are interested in having them here, just let a room owner know and we will discuss it (all access requests are reviewed by ROs).
 
@DavidBuck It's easy to get them... I only got it like a week ago. Just ping an admin in Charcoal.
 
@TylerH I've been offered in Charcoal before. I've only shied away because I already spend too long on SO...
 
10:01 PM
@10Rep You know that can also get the post deleted, right.. :)
 
Through the meta effect? Yes.... but hopefully it will be undeleted, therefore qualifying it further for historical lock.
 
@10Rep I'm just saying that some times bringing a post to meta is not your best option.
It's a great option if you want to delete a post though..
 
I got inspired by this post: Why was this opinion-based question reopened?.
 
To be fair, it probably should have been closed as a dupe
 
@10Rep The latest one, which I will not link, got deleted. And will probably never be undeleted.
 
10:10 PM
@DavidBuck heh
@Scratte overwhelmingly when you post about a question on Meta and it gets deleted, deletion is entirely appropriate
 
10:25 PM
@TylerH That's opinion. I didn't agree with the last one.
And there's nothing I can do. I can't undelete it and once it's deleted, no one will get to it even if they want to undelete it.
 
10:48 PM
Can folks let me know how many questions they see from this tag link? It's connected to the babel tag clean-up linked by Machavity: Numbers reported there are much lower than I'm seeing, and I don't know why.
 
If you're doing a search, be sure to add is:q to the query, or you'll confusingly get answers
 
@Machavity Part of the problem was time-travelling, I think! The meta answer I was concerned about is 4 years old. But, on the ones in your answer, I just clicked the link.
 
Ah. Yeah, that'll do it
 
So, can we recruit a Tardis for future tag clean-up operations?
 
@AdrianMole Will there be any in the future? My magic 8 ball doesn't have a solid prediction for future Trogdor sightings, TARDIS or no.
 
11:01 PM
May need to clean up this tag?
 
I still see 103 resutls from [babel] [python] is:q. So these should be [python-babel]?
And the usual "clean up other formatting while changing tags" advice?
 

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