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01:16
I did 8x as many Triage questions today as yesterday! 700% improvement!
@Vickel you still awake?
 
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04:44
@KenWhite I don't think that asks for an off-site resource; the last sentence is just a guard that other solutions are acceptable too. Maybe this could be opinion-based (whaddyamean "best") but ...
@tripleee It could be closed as needs more focus or needs details or clarity.
05:11
@AdrianMole Content Rejected After Publication?
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@Scratte doesn't look like programming. At best it is a scripting problem with infrastructure. Super User, maybe SF seems a better fit.
@rene Thanks. I wasn't sure if scripting was programming :)
Interesting corner case of reviewing in Triage. It seems that if one manages to review within the locked period, but after a resolution was reached, one's flag doesn't get disputed. Well.. not yet anyway. Perhaps it will in the 15 minute buffer window from triage resolution to en-queuing in the Close Vote queue.
..that we will need to test again, as someone managed to "sneak in" a close vote :D
07:06
@Scratte well, yes. That is true. But that question looks more like "How do I achieve this thing from the commandline" and not "I have this excel file with ComputerNames and now I need to call this command for each row in the excel". The latter might be on-topic here.
What is the correct flag for requests for sample code (e. g. "Can you help with a sample Flutter or Postman code?")? Is it "recommendation"?
yeah, or too broad/ needs focus
Thanks, rene!
np
Hi guys :) I just read the tour
07:45
@ThatZ9 hello and welcome, do you have a question about user moderation?
No, just dropping in
08:02
... or perhaps R/A
It looks like a .png image file
I wouldn't expect to find PNG binary data inside a .class file
@Nick If you can see what's in the image by looking at it like that, you probably took the red pill ;)
@Scratte one of many... :-)
Please don't post text as images...or images as text.
08:19
I'm looking at a timeline, that I do not understand. What made this post "no longer reviewable." in Triage?
@Scratte Don't post deletion or first post review completion invalidate the triage reviewing?
@Vega I don't think so. It clearly wasn't deleted. I've had flags from First Posts invalidated by Triage, so I'm reluctant to think that that's the cause. I'm speculating maybe the upvote did it.
..that should be easy to test, I suppose. (Not necessarily one upvote, but perhaps the positive score)
The hard part is finding a post in Triage that I want to upvote :D
08:35
@Scratte It wasn't deleted/undeleted, true, but how about the first post review completed successfully? It is more plausible than upvote, no?
@Vega It's possible.. I still want to test my voting/score theory :)
@Scratte I looked on Meta and no one's ever asked what causes Triage reviews to be invalidated, so I asked: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/400894/…
08:51
@RyanM Thanks :)
09:13
I know, I opened a can of worms again
09:38
Is this spam for 7-zip?? It's certainly not an answer to the question, reads like spam but... who would spam for 7-zip? stackoverflow.com/a/63720088
I guess user nuked answers that question...
@DavidBuck that TLD looks off though; I'd say that that is not their official website
Aha. I can't see it now so I'll take your word for it. That would make more sense.
Hi mods, it looks apparent there is zero/negative feedback on this question: Open old commit in VS. To me, it outlines a clear deficiency in the Github web interface- but there's obviously something amiss with my understanding of the issue that has put the readers off. Do you think there should be anything added to explain the issue, or make it any clearer? Thanks.
10:10
I've just found a new word in a post: Unforluckly :)
10:58
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio profanity is not a reason for a red flag. Is there anything else that would require red flag?
@Dharman Breaking the code of conduct is the reason to raise a R/A flag. -> "No harassment. This includes, but isn’t limited to: bullying, intimidation, vulgar language, direct or indirect threats, sexually suggestive remarks, patterns of inappropriate social contact, and sustained disruptions of discussion. "
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio They probably want to programmatically do something with the bot
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio The user is probably not aware that such language is inappropriate here. Can you not just edit it out? Do you really think they wanted to be rude towards us?
@Braiam I think that's just a cover. Also the missing information is hint for this. If you translate the sentence, you know the intention.
11:02
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio I don't think this is what is meant. It's probably the exact text that the bot is using.. There are a lot of posts on Stack that uses example text not fit for work, and they do not seem to be regarded as rude.
Is it important what the poster thinks? If the post contains harassment, it should be flagged R/A AFAIU.
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio As happened before, we don't really care what you are trying to run, if it's a valid question. We helped the guy that ran silk road built their site ;)
11:20
@Scratte What an unforluck that that "unforluckly" doesn't exist :p
@Vega Maybe the word will have more un-unforluck (read forluck) if we refine the spelling to "unforluckily".
11:38
@Vega If unforluckly did exist, would that imply that tunately would also be a word?
Do the mods see this?:

> Pages you view or search for, page response times, download errors, length of visits to certain pages, page interaction information (such as scrolling, clicks, and mouse-overs), your engagement with certain variable/dynamic elements of a page and methods used to browse away from the page.
@πάνταῥεῖ Nice to see you here again :)
@bad_coder I do not think so. I'd guess this is probably just developers that has access to this information. It's probably also only used for statistical purposes unless a decision to investigate a specific user is being done.
12:02
@DalijaPrasnikar Same to you, pleased to cu :)
@Dharman I may have a voting irregularity that could be of interest to you. Which of your rooms should I post it in?
Let me talk to myself
12:40
@DavidBuck Only if it involves some kind of sushi rolls :D
Is this question about prometheus queries salvageable (by removing the request for tutorials)?
Is software development? Just looked at the last few questions and none of them look to be on-topic.
12:55
@DavidBuck Thanks in forward! ...
@DavidBuck I'm a bit torn but I would say it is a niche of programing / simulation / verification and as such using such tooling is common on that area. I think it is on-topic. I agree the latest questions are borderline-ish.
@rene Is it possible to move the short conversation (4 messages) I had recently to the chatroom created by the comments in the discussed post? The chat is continuing in comments there. Starts here.
@rene I'll take your word for it.
@AdrianMole done, I think
@rene Thanks! (It worked.)
Zoe
Zoe
13:11
@AdrianMole tanks in advancing
Tanks are for fish.
Zoe
Zoe
Fish can drive tanks now?
Only those who have been adequately trained.
@AdrianMole So long and tanks for all the fish?
Should be: So int64_t and tanks... in the Modern World.
Zoe
Zoe
13:22
@AdrianMole No, so long must be long long, so: long long and tanks [...]
Nothing to stop a long being as long as a long long, so long as it's no longer.
13:56
What the shortest way to create a [link](?) for a custom moderator flag? is /q/id enough for a question?
Another perfectly successful SpaceX launch this morning. Amazing that the webcasting employee didn't even seem phased by the perfect booster landing on the drone ship.
Really makes me hopeful for a perfect 3-out-of-3 landing next time they launch Falcon Heavy.
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@AlonEitan @Machavity just reopened this, would you bin it?
I'm sure I requested a reopen-pls
Oh, right... Thanks :)
14:13
@M-- Done. Thanks for the ping
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@AlonEitan yeah, it was handled and moved to the graveyard: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/90230/socvr-request-graveyard but then the question is open, so your cv-pls won't get binned by the script
Thank you
Yeah, I missed the cleanup
15:04
This php Question was edited to include a mimimal reproducible example.. I think. Is it OK now?
@Scratte is there an outstanding *-pls action on it here?
@Scratte Not sure this is minimal. Also missing: What does the code now and what not (what should it do), and then the two broken links at the bottom.
@Scratte Yes.
15:20
@TylerH No. I do not think so. I checked. There is not.
@Makyen Thanks. I needed it to get below the 500 characters for a custom flag :)
@Scratte np. Yeah, I've used that format multiple times in custom flags (e.g. [1](/a/123456)). The Markdown that's available for custom mod-flags is basically the same that's available for comments.
@Makyen I tested it in chat though. That doesn't work too well :D
15:42
@JeanneDark What broken links?
@Scratte Do the imgur links work for you?
@JeanneDark They are linked to normal imgur, you need to actually click on them
@JeanneDark Yes :) I can see them, no problem.
They don't work for me
15:44
Questions on SO should be readable without clicking anyting
@JeanneDark Aree you on a work or school network, perhaps?
It might be a problem on my part but I agree with John. Questions should be self-contained.
Don't worry, the links don't add anything useful to the question. The question is incomprehensible with or without the images
What's the protocol for questions about a service outage of some sort, that is now over? Close as General Computing? stackoverflow.com/q/63721253/7508700
I like no-repro
or duplicate if there's a few of em
15:48
@JeanneDark Right, now I've asked them to use the image option on edits..
@Scratte to be fair images uploaded there are also hosted on imgur so if Jeanne can't load imgur links I don't think they will be visible after OP adds them to the question that way.
@TylerH I can ask. @JeanneDark Can you see this?
Unless Jeanne means specifically that the images are linked rather than embedded... in which case... just edit them to put a ! in front to embed them...
I'm sure I can't. The suggested edits queue is full.. and.. editing a new Question is high risk.
@Scratte I don't mean to suggest you do the edit
just that instead of complaining/voting to close a question as lacking necessary info/MCVE, the better route is to embed the images
and that is just a hypothetical as well
15:59
I usually make suggestions to the author to avoid the closure, so I agree with you. But it seems that the images are not the only problem with this one.
@TylerH I wonder if there might be legal complications with this, like there are with embedding code from offsite.
Also, that. Wouldn't be a good question even with the images.
@Scratte I can see it
@JohnDvorak perhaps, but by embed I just mean "show the direct hotlink URL", e.g. the one that ends in .jpg or .png or whatever. The default imgur link may be a "page" view or "album" view of the imgur site instead, rather than the direct URL to the image
Even that might be troublesome?
you can use that and just put ![](imgur.com/stuff/image.jpg) and it will show up as an embedded image rather than a link.
if it is troublesome it is Imgur's responsibility to hash it out with Stack Overflow to not allow hotlinking to their content. I don't think it's an issue for users to utilize the feature.
16:07
@JeanneDark Ok. So you only have trouble with imgur.com/a/XXXXXXX, not i.stack.imgur.com/XXXX.png. How very strange.
@Scratte Yes, that situation is why more detail is needed about what Jeanne can't see. For example, I have a somewhat unique situation in that my workplace blocks imgur.com (so employees aren't tempted to upload medical photos, I suppose?), but due to my request to my IT security team, the stack.imgur.com subdomain specifically is allowed for certain IT employees, so I can see stuff that's uploaded directly from the editor.
But I doubt others have such a particular set up
I hate the regular Imgur just because it requires me to jump all kinds of hurdles just to look at an image
I was about to ask JeanneDark to look at the direct link at i.imgur.. but JohnDvorak made me paranoid :D
@tripleee Indeed, they used to be much easier to get a direct link out of. I haven't actually used Imgur much since my workplace blocked them a couple years ago, because the other main site that had imgur photos, reddit, started supporting direct upload functionality much better around the same time.
I understand it because they need to draw revenue somehow and that's almost surely from ad clicks (with some additional revenue from subscriptions if they offer that), but it does make it frustrating
We'll see how long it lasts; other past pillars of image hosting like photobucket, imageshack, etc. all died out due to similar issues (and breaking hotlinking being chief among them)
Do you think there will be a broken image or two on Stack Overflow if imgur is no more?
16:16
no. About a million.
16:35
I imagine they would get bought by some player like reddit or maybe even microsoft/google (god I hope not google, or we can kiss it goodbye) if they were going to go under
I’m surprised at how poorly written and simplistic the SO blog post at stackoverflow.blog/2020/09/02/… is. It reads like something written by a 12-year-old school kid. I thought at first it was some kind of troll.
@sideshowbarker 12-year-old school kid is what marketeers target in general. So they call your observation success
Using the language of a 12 year old is known as 'presidential' these days
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@DavidBuck I know that reference.
17:22
Hmm.. what to do when a 3K user just encouraged someone to post their code on stackblitz.com ?
@Scratte I see you're getting perilously close to 2K yourself.
@DavidBuck If only I could find lots of Answer to downvote..
I downvote loads of answers every day, but they all end up getting deleted...
@Scratte If it's in a comment, then maybe flag it as NLN? If you're lucky, it'll be handled by a mod in a "Be-nice-to-Scratte" mood. :)
@Scratte Was the question tagged with React or Angular? It is very commun
17:30
@Vega 3 different Angular tags :)
@AdrianMole I just posted my usual canned "Your post need to be self-contained..blah blah.." with a cc :)
@Scratte Sometime MRE/MCVE is not enough and a stackblitz demo can save a lot of answerer's time. Why not? :)
@Vega Yes. But when how is the Question going to be useful for someone else? What happens when the link dies? I mean there is not even an MCVE on this post.
@Scratte Yes, the post should always contain the MCVE, the demo is just a plus. You mean that question didn't contain the MCVE and the other user asked just for the demo?
17:52
^^ Spam (SD report)
@Vega ^ this one :)
@JeanneDark You should apply for Smokey 'privileges'.
@AdrianMole Just a signal to others for the spam to get nuked as quickly as possible
Remember that post with the strange "PNG text"? It probably shouldn't have been deleted. It seems to have been an honest user trying to explain that their android-studio was showing them garbage instead of the actual files.
Now they posted a screen shot.. should I ask them to also post the text under the image?
@Scratte I am really surprised why they asked for the demo, when it's completely unclear, indeed! Even the MRE cannot help in this state of the explanation
18:02
@Vega Ah. I was just about to ask you if the MCVE had helped :)
@Scratte I'd need context, but is it a dupe of stackoverflow.com/questions/53249677/…?
@RyanM I think it is.. because you're the second one to suggest that :)
@Scratte pretty sure everyone in the [android] tag is sick of seeing that question
Moaning all ...
Hmm.. apparently the API doesn't give out information about delete votes on Answers :(
@Scratte Doesn't give out any data on deleted posts
@Machavity I don't mean deleted post, I meant delete vote count on non-deleted Answers. it does give that information for Questions.
Since I'm a minor, I use a user script to tell me about votes on Questions.
I wanted to create one for Answers, but it's a bit tricky if the API doesn't want to give me the information, that I'm looking for :D
20:46
@Scratte That's correct. That's why the URRS provides a display of the number of delete-votes on questions, but not answers.
@Makyen Yes. I realized I'll have to live without it :D
@sideshowbarker It's actually well written and simple. Both those are qualities. I suppose it's meant as a sort of chronicle for programmers who wouldn't spend more than a couple of minutes reading.
21:08
@Makyen do mods see browsing history, URL's we've visited, time spent focused per page, etc...?
@bad_coder No.
I feel the second to last sd report is spam.
@bad_coder Yes, but they aren't allowed to tell you that, so they will say No. ;=)
In the answer it says "will help us get the status.
And the code seems unrelated.
@Makyen halfer just implied you weren't truthful...So which is it?
21:11
@10Rep Assuming you mean this one, it seems like it's probably just a case of Something in my web site or project doesn't work. Can I just paste a link to it?
@bad_coder Do you understand what ;=) means? If not, then maybe don't throw accusations about!
@AdrianMole I didn't accuse anyone of anything. You are accusing me of accusing. I restated what the other said, that's it.
Whatever ...maybe you should go back down to the pub?
@bad_coder I'm not sure what else you're wanting from me. I've given a response which is clear and unequivocal. If you want something more official, then I suggest you ask on Meta, although I thought this topic was recently brought up (on MSE???).
@RyanM Ok, looking at it it seems so.
21:16
@Makyen I tried finding a post about this but couldn't. In any case, I'll take you word for it.
@bad_coder I guess, I could have said something like "No, at least not that I've ever seen or heard of", which would be a bit more precise, but it's kind of assumed that any response to a question like that is going to be from within the experience and knowledge of the person who is responding.
@bad_coder {giggle}. I am afraid my remark was a silly joke, indicated by the wink emoticon. I thought your comment was ripe to grow a nice conspiracy theory - some of them turn out to be true, you know!
@Makyen Thanks Mayken.
Makyen is a "good egg", as we say in England.
@halfer no it's actually a question.
21:19
You have eggs in England? I thought they were a Celtic invention ... did we sell the rights, somewhen?
@bad_coder np
@halfer Thanks.
@AdrianMole Some people had chickens first. :)
@AdrianMole Why you still angry about that?
Please ... don't get me involved in such deep, philosophical debates.
@AdrianMole I think we nicked a couple of chickens, and then got them breeding. Or maybe we nicked a couple of eggs? Hmm...
Ha ha! Our nonsense crosses in the ether.
I think it's one of those unknowable questions...the age-old chicken & England problem.
21:22
@bad_coder I'm not angry. You'd know, if I were ... all my chat messages would turn green, and the font size would increase so much that the containing boxes would burst.
@AdrianMole And you'd make lots of oneboxes, just to pull on some RO tails :=]
@RyanM But it was neither the chicken nor the egg ... 'twas the Cock!
@halfer nickers?!
@bad_coder If I can't decide whether we nicked some chickens or nicked some eggs, it's fair to say I have got my nickers in a twist.
21:26
@halfer at last a good Brit joke..
@AdrianMole well if you're not angry why do you keep mentioning it?
{{ == and now for something completely different == }}
What? Mentioning what? I think I mentioned "the pub" once but, as Basil would say: "I think nobody noticed it."
@AdrianMole "Manuel, there is TOO MUCH BUTTER, ON, THOSE, TRAYS". "Ah, no no senor. Not 'on, those, trays'. Uno, dos, tres".
... and don't even think about the pig in the water tank. xD
@AdrianMole do find that one on youtube for me :)
@AdrianMole You've mentioned it twice, or three times...Well, that's all you've said to me since.
21:33
@bad_coder When you keep mentioning that someone else is mentioning pubs, I start feeling sad that I'm out of Suktinis.
@bad_coder Here.
@halfer My story with Adrian Mole is actually simple, he threw about 2 dozens questions at me...Eventually I thought:"Ok, I'll throw 3 question marks and a pub back at you".
@Scratte Wait a minute, this is Important!! Could it be I haven't tried "Sukitinis"?!!?! The horror.
@bad_coder So, is your story that "Adrian Mole is actually simple" or is it that you have a simple story with Adrian Mole?
@bad_coder It's my favorite.. I wish I could get it where I am.
@AdrianMole I was thinking the later, but now that you mention it you're less "complicated" than first seemed (I do hold simplicity as a virtue!!)
21:38
less complicated = simple :D I feel the nGrudges increasing..
@AdrianMole youtu.be/LGkkyKZVzug?t=355 Are you listening, pig?
@Scratte What do you call a number (such as nGrudges) that has only an imaginary component. Is that "complex," "semi-complex" or just good, old-fashioned, "simple?"
@AdrianMole purely imaginary complex number, since i is complex.
Hurumff ... simpletons, all of you!
@AdrianMole you are sooo sensitive...folks can't say anything,,,
21:46
hehe
@AdrianMole Paper simple. I imagine you have a paper notebook and you put a mark in it every time one of us is naughty :D
@AdrianMole Don't confuse poor bad_coder, it is with Adrian not about Adrian
@AdrianMole hey, I was having a discussion with some friends about the "Celts", in the Celt-Iberian sense of the term. What does a Welsh think about the Cetls?
The Welsh are the Celts. Scots, Irish (and a few others) are hybrids.
@AdrianMole in linguistic terms it's said your language is the closest the original Celtic language.
@AdrianMole So how do you say pork in Welsh? Like "porco" in Spanish-Portuguese?
(It was funny when I realized that's where "orc" comes from...Haven't figuered out where "troll" comes from yet...)
22:02
@AdrianMole You mean they're not from Boston?!
@bad_coder We don't call our language "The Old Language" (yr hen iaith - as in the 3rd verse of our National Anthem) for nothing!
@AdrianMole that's pretty good. I like it!!
@bad_coder We call it "Flesh of the pigeon!" xD
@AdrianMole So a curve ball for you, a girl's name that is only Welsh, no parallel or variation in other languages? Something local, well founded and agreed on by linguists and archeologists?
Angharad.
22:07
@AdrianMole can you please split it into morphemes for me?
@AdrianMole Reminds me of youtube.com/watch?v=Nrkgdj0bVAo
əŋˈhɑːrəd
@AdrianMole that's syllables not necessarily morphemes.
It also happens to be the given name of my next-of-kin.
@TylerH this is really good stuff!!
22:16
Some of the welsh consonant are really really difficult to pronunce.
@AdrianMole you're kiddin' with me now.
@Scratte Only one, really: "LL". essentially, it's an aspirated "L" - press your tongue behind your top teeth and blow.
@AdrianMole Not sure it's that one. Once sound like a clicking sound.
It is that one. It always is. It's just that most folks don't know how to say it and make it sound like a click (or, more often, like a "KL" sound).
22:39
@AdrianMole yeah, that one killed me when I lived in Llan-non...
@AdrianMole The song had two sounds that I found tricky. I'll try to isolate them :)
One faint one at 1:06 also at 1:19. One at 1:29.
Then your LL-sound seems to come at 2:05.
@AdrianMole you didn't answer the question in Welsh.
@bad_coder Answering in Welsh is hard
TBF, google translate doesn't make things easier.
@Machavity haha LOL that's good :)
> Shortly after the sign was installed, the father-of-three went on holiday with his wife to Spain
That's the mortals equivalent of pushing friday
@Braiam ok "mortals equivalent" I don't understand, but I also don't understand "pushing Friday"...So what do the 2 put together actually mean?
@bad_coder Are you a paid programmer/software developer? And if you are, would you push to production friday?

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