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@10Rep well in this case I copied it from the answer to this question, but there are websites that'll generate it - search "zalgo generator" on your favorite search engine
00:34
@10Rep Though, be careful, because he comes.
01:18
Just to hopefully head off any additional messages with Zalgo text, I feel I should remind everyone about SOCVR's position on Zalgo text, which, to put it succinctly, is "don't".
@RyanM Note: I'm not knocking this recent message, which appears to hearkening to this answer. However, I'm a bit confused by it, because the text in the chat message is in quotes and both doesn't give a source and doesn't actually quote the answer I thought it would be quoting.
@Makyen It was paraphrased both because the original answer is really long and because it contains quite a lot of what would quite accurately be termed "disruptive formatting," but the section between the commas ("stop the angles are not real") is a quote from the original answer.
I wrote the message on my phone, or I probably would've linkified the text. My assumption was that it was a well enough known meme on SO to not justify the effort of getting the link and typing link Markdown on my phone, but in retrospect that probably would've made it rather clearer.
Is this question flaggable (as R/A)? I gave it a VtC ... but should I have made a 'sterner' judgement?
01:33
@AdrianMole Hmm, translates to "Help support my channel, there are still not many broadcast hours" - had they actually linked it anywhere I'd flag as spam, but they didn't, so... I don't think there's enough there to justify a red flag, seems like a confused user mostly. VTC'd and downvoted from me.
waffle. deleted as I hit the send-request button.
Yeah, that was weird. Can just go away
Jurutera adalah penghargaan kepada pasukannya.
@AdrianMole well played.
02:39
Remember that thing today/yesterday with the internet having troubles, Level3 had problems.
 
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04:33
@Scratte This is the first time I've seen both the asker and answerer post separate meta questions to complain about the other.
 
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06:13
remind me, are we allowed to post delv-pls for NAA posts?
06:36
@tripleee Why would you want to do that?
I mean an NAA will get the post deleted from the queue or a moderator, assuming the flag doesn't get declined.
06:47
@Scratte finally started using the userscript which saves delete vote in low quality post queue
Can someone tell me what reason there would be to close this C++ Question
@Scratte Do you wish to know the CV reason or our opinion?
@Scratte vaguely spammy / SEO-ish; exploring avenues for getting it removed sooner rather than later
@tripleee if they are deleteable then yes (so needs to be at 0 or lower). Whether we agree with your reason for deleting is judged on a case by case basis. Results from the past are no guarantee for new requests.
@Scratte the vote cast on it is "Needs more focus," which makes zero sense to me. I am insufficiently familiar with the subject matter to judge if the question should be closed otherwise without actually digging into it.
06:57
@tripleee At present NAA's a deleted very fast. The Low Quality Post queue is low and moderators seem to be finding them before the 1 hour "auto-upgrade" to the moderator queue.
Posted this yesterday: stackoverflow.com/questions/20898384/…. it's immediately been reopened. To me it's pretty clearly off-topic. Is this a complain on meta situation or an ignore it and move on situation?
finally deleted now, 54 minutes
@RyanM OK. So I'm not going crazy after all then :)
@DavidW +1 for pretty clearly off-topic, I'd upvote a meta post arguing to close but not delete. Up to you if you think it's worthwhile.
@Scratte Well, just because a few us in here happen to share your opinion on one question doesn't necessarily mean that you're not going crazy. ;-)
07:02
Thanks. It'd be nice if these older questions were migratable I think. It's clearly a good question with some good answers but it really should be elsewhere
@DavidW Somewhat bizarrely, I can't find an exact dupe on Super User, which surprises me... it is on Ask Ubuntu and Unix/Linux though. superuser.com/questions/1022637/… is close though.
@Scratte I think the thought behind of that CV was that the OP didn't show their effort despite the presence of the code
@AdrianMole Heh.. I was hoping that I had already maxed out on my crazyness :) But.. nWittyComeback++ :)
@RyanM well I'd argued it should be on Server Fault. Which I guess is part of the problem that there's loads of possible places
@DavidW Yeah....that's a tricky one, because it fits in all four places very well. But not SO.
07:07
@Vega Perhaps.. I suspect maybe some other reason though :)
07:25
@Vega Possibly, the use of #include <bits/stdc++.h> and using namespace std; ? The first of those two lines often brings out the "Dark Angels" that are normally deeply buried in my psyche.
@AdrianMole One could also argue that users that know exactly what they are doing, never ask Questions :)
@DavidW It would be interesting to know the motivations of the users who voted to reopen. It's closed again now, I agree with you that server fault would be the most appropriate site.
@Nick It looks to me (but I could be misreading it) that they mostly did it in the review queue. So I assume someone flagged it, and then most of them read the question and thought "this looks like a good question" and didn't give it's on-topic-ness too much thought
@DavidW But presumably someone originally flagged/voted to re-open, I just can't see why (they definitely didn't subsequently post an answer).
Yes. I don't really know about that. I do think a bit more flexibility to migrate the off-topic but good would be a benefit generally. Even for newer questions the migration pathway doesn't really work because it's hidden down a separate but similar menu
07:40
@Scratte I agree! I would never VtC a question (or downvote it) for using that header file (instead, if I post a comment or answer, I would link the canonical about it). Others may feel differently, though! (I may downvote an answer that uses that #include line, though!!)
Is this spam or should it just be downvoted?
@Nick Spam probably? I think
@Nick I gave that one R/A ... but any red flag will probably be justified.
@AdrianMole If you translate they're selling clocks...
Yeah - I got something like that. So I gave it a fake spam flag. xD
07:49
@AdrianMole :-)
 
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08:49
I used a custom flag to point out suspected targeted down votes on my account. The flag was marked helpful, but the votes are not reversed, nor was there a custom message from a mod. What was the general issue here again? That it is forwarded to the devs and I should sit tight?
@Adriaan With no message, that's a little hard to tell :(
@Adriaan I am not sure but I think it takes sometime to get it's way as an escalation through CM
09:06
Could be any number of things: 1) mod thought you had good evidence but on inspection it was an unlikely coincidence and they didn't want to give you a declined flag. 2) Mod confirmed targeted voting and needs an employee to reverse it. 3) Mod was unable to tell for some reason and needs any employee to investigate, but believes your case is compelling.
Is this delete-worthy, or does it have some merit? +100 Q, +65 answer, but the answer is nothing but an official Google image...
Can a RO remove this? I messed upt eh link (cc @rene)
09:33
socvr comment for answers: "Data/Code as image" shows too long by 63 characters .. on paste. Formatting changes?
@SurajRao Remove welcome to SO
There is no such text in that comment
I see no issues
I still have 33 chars left
Is this the same comment?
09:48
Yeah, this is the same one I posted under your answer
i.sstatic.net/qEDge.png I am getting this...
@SurajRao Maybe some other userscript is modifying something.
@SurajRao what's all that nonsense-looking text in the upper left of that screenshot?
that's not in the original comment
@SurajRao I've pushed a change, allow for 6 to 8 minutes for the server to pick it up.
@RyanM yeah, it looked like a merge went south / wasn't resolved correctly. I removed the stuff that didn't make sense
@RyanM seems to be some class attached to comment ([using code formatting](//stackoverflow.com/editing-help#code" class="md-opjjpmhoiojifppkkcdabiobhakljdgm_doc))
10:01
@SurajRao that seems like a script gone awry somewhere, and unrelated to the fix rene just did
@SurajRao this is where the raw text comes from: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/auto-comments/blob/master/…
@rene I pulled from comments.socvr.org
@SurajRao yes, that is where the should come from. That seems correct
eh now it seems to be working after resync. 27 characters left although I still get the classes
@SurajRao yeah, I just resynced as well and this is what my auto-comment looks like: i.sstatic.net/KycPC.png
10:09
@SurajRao That is still not right. Why only 27 chars?
yeah, I have 123 chars left
yeah.. its because of the class. the links don't show correctly on send
@SurajRao I guess you need to carefully disable userscripts one-by-one to find the script that messes with those links.
Do we have a policy for questions which are cross-posted ad verbatim and receive an answer on the other site? Reference
10:28
@Adriaan I don't think we have, except the cross-posting is frowned upon. If the question is on-topic here and it is not plagiarized I guess there is no reason to close vote it or moderate it in any other way.
@rene wasnt a script . Another chrome extension seems to be automatically adding the class. Removing works fine
Okay, glad you found it!
@Adriaan since they are answered elsewhere, we can safely assume that they were more appropriate there, and custom flag for deletion here
@desertnaut thanks; I mod flagged linking to both the post on Cross Validate and the meta answer you linked
Does anyone have the link to "Who can be @ pinged on SE?" I can't find it using my Google-fu
@Dharman yes, ta
The "a duplicate" choice when choosing "Unsalvageable" is behaving very strange. If I pick the one on the first dialog the page scrolls past my dialog to the end of the Question, and I have to scroll back up to even see the dialog. If I pick the "Duplicate" on the second dialog "needs improvement" -> "Duplicate" it's working fine.
@desertnaut That is very strange, since the meta post does not forbid it. However this Answer says it is with a link to the post that doesn't explicitly say it's forbidden.. ?!?
@Scratte I'm not following. care to clarify?
11:58
@desertnaut The Answer by Bhargav Rao says "is forbidden on Stack Exchange". I cannot find anywhere on that link that says "It's forbidden".
I can only find "As a general rule: No.", which means there's room for some posts to be cross posted. There are also suggestions to "editing the question based on comments and other feedback"
Also there's "Very occasionally you may want to ask substantially identical questions on two sites, to reach different communities." and "The question you ask has to be on-topic on both sites."
It would have been really nice if those Answers didn't leave this loophole in the rule.
@Scratte "it's best to tailor your question to each site"
this leaves no room for verbatim cross-posting IMHO
@desertnaut Yes.. "it's best". Doesn't say one have to do it.
ant that's why Bhargav interprets in (correctly, I think) as forbidden
My problem with the post is that it has to be interpreted.. why leave that up for interpretations? That means everyone can have their own opinion on what it means. Just like we're having right now :)
Actually, it is not your (or my) job to decide that; we just flag, and from then on it's up to mods
that much is clear
12:07
Yes, but I would not ever flag a post when I know that the handling of such a flag is up to interpretation of another post that isn't crystal clear :)
well, nobody can force you to flag :)
I admit that the whole wording could (and possibly should) be clearer
but what has been written gives me enough rationale to flag
@desertnaut We, that fear the declined flag, are happy that you do. Thank you :)
@Scratte be bold & brave! :)
and, as you can see, I also had a declined flag for cross-posting recently. No problem...
I noticed that, yes. My head went "Argh!! That's not fair" :)
12:32
what's recommended if a user posts same answer in more than one question? Custom flag?
13:00
@ArghyaSadhu Yep. Mod flag. Be sure to link to the other answer
@Machavity..thanks for the confirmation..I did it
Update: I have concluded that adding "Please don't call me 'bro.'" to one's profile does almost nothing to reduce the frequency at which one is referred to as "bro."
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@RyanM Obviously not. Nobody reads profiles :D
I read profiles when checking for spam
I think the key here is that the posters that refer to everyone as bro don't even imagine that it might be an issue. That and nobody reads profiles except us...
Why would that be an issue? Do you want to be called sir instead?
13:46
I actually would prefer that over "bro" :-p
"Bro" is overly familiar, and I also really do not identify with "bro" culture as it exists in this country
I have no idea which country you live in.
"in this country" u mean US?
Do you mean Indian culture? Or is there another culture that uses it as well?
I live in the United States, which I'm just now realizing is not in my profile...
Despite, um, what times I'm awake.
@RyanM I am sorry to hear that.
13:49
I like profiles.
@Dharman haha...at the moment, I feel the same way about the fact that I live in this country :-)
it has its better moments, though.
atleast it shows up if you hover over your card
@IslamElshobokshy This is a question about a Python library. What site do you think it belongs on?
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Q: Fixing the std and stdlib synonym tags

Lundin The tag std refers to a C++ keyword which is used for the standard library namespace. This has been the case since 2011 when the tag wiki was added. stdlib is a C library stdlib.h which does not currently have its own tag. For some reason, std and stdlib tags are synonymous. For this reason we ...

Most people don't care with who they interact, just that their needs are fulfilled.
13:52
Why do we use Mean squared error instead of just the absolute value of the difference in Machine learning? I mean instead of (^y - y)^2 use |^y - y|?
@TylerH From their comment I'd guess graphic design
@ArghyaSadhu a lost soul seems to be looking for you. stackoverflow.com/a/63671674/4826457 flagged as NAA
Oh yeah..I flagged it too :)@SurajRao
@entithat You may be looking for DataScience.SE or Stats.SE
13:55
@RyanM thnx
@Braiam hm. I appreciate it. THanks.
@entithat Check for existing answers before :) stats.stackexchange.com/questions/118/…. It's not in ML, but still
@Vega I was thinking someone will give me a short answer here
@TylerH Binned -- it's about programming; poster retracted their CV on the Q as well already
facepalm
If people are editing insults into their closed questions, just rollback or flag?
14:06
why so xd
@entithat This chat is for moderating Stack Overflow, not for asking questions like that; use an appropriate main site (not chat) to post a question, like Machine Learning or Data Science or Cross Validated
@DavidBuck rollback once, then flag
@DavidBuck I would rollback the first time and flag if they repeat
@TylerH I was not able to find such one in list of chats :(
but ok
If the question is in condition to be deleted in its non-vandalized form and the edit turns it into an insult, then just R/A flag it.
@Vega 2 rollbacks from the same user on a question will raise an automatic modflag as well
14:08
It was closed as General Computing, but will Roomba get it in a week, anyway. I've followed @TylerH @vega advice and done a rollback and follow.
@Nick I said that in perspective that they just edit, not rollback themselves
I mean, if they repeat, one can rollback again and it will raise an automatic flag
@Nick Ah, ok, thanks. Do all double rollbacks raise the automatic flag? What are the conditions?
@Vega 2 rollbacks from the same user on the same post presumably within some timeframe, even if there's no intermediate edit (for example if you rollback to the wrong revision, and then rollback again immediately after to a different revision)
The system is somewhat described here: meta.stackexchange.com/a/222644/165261
14:16
There's a full list of autoflags here
Perfect, thank you @Nick, @RyanM :)
But I've seen at least some indication that that description is not entirely accurate. There was a post on which another regular and I each performed two rollbacks, with another from the OP, and no autoflag was generated.
@RyanM How do you know there was no autoflag? ;)
@Nick I am secretly a sockpuppet a moderator told us that one had not been raised after that requirement was quoted to state that one would have been raised.
also noting that one should have been raised since there was in fact a kerfuffle, even if two of the participants were mostly trying to accomplish the same objective, just, uh, simultaneously.
IIRC the OP was trying to accomplish the different objective of vandalizing their post, but I can't check because it's now deleted :-p
@RyanM dunno /shrug, all I know for sure is that I've raised an automod flag solo by rolling back the same post twice within about 4 seconds of each other (the first was to the wrong revision :p
14:23
@Nick Yeah, I suspect the culprit was related to the fact that it was three users interleaving rollbacks.
14:40
@AdrianMole is now deleting answers. Watch out! Congrats!
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Eyyy, the big 20k \o/
Woo!
@AdrianMole It says in your profile that you work with a team of plants. You don't have trouble focussing on them, by any chance, do you?
14:42
@entithat don't look in chat, look on Stack Exchange proper. stackexchange.com/sites#traffic
@halfer We have developed special methods to track down unfocused specimens.
15:07
@halfer They don't let that stop them. "Petal to the metal", as they say
15:24
@M-- Why delete the only duplicate of that dup-target? Unless it's causing harm in some way, there really isn't a justification for that. In addition, 775 views in 6 months is a duplicate that's above the threshold where the system (Roomba) would consider it a duplicate to keep. If you're really wanting to clean that up, then work on deleting the answer so that Roomba will handle deleting the duplicate based on normal criteria.
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@Makyen I agree. I wasn't sure if it should be deleted either as I asked below my request. You can reverse the deletion, thank you
15:47
@Machavity Indeed. And if Adrian doesn't get on with his colleagues, he can always leaf.
What's the odds that a "No longer needed" flag on "did my answer help you?" posted on a Question will be declined?
Is that all the comment says? If so I'd wager near 0% chance of being declined
That kind of flags might take time to be marked helpful, but have all their chances
@DonaldDuck This post was last active over a year ago. See FAQ #11
@DonaldDuck And over 2 years for this one.
17:02
@Vega Oh.. I had no idea what comment flag resolutions were slow.
@Nick Yes. That's all. Another one under that says "please consider accepting/upvoting my answer."
@Scratte that should not get declined unless it contains something else that adds any value..and should take less time than a post flag
@Scratte I would expect both to be marked helpful if flagged NLN (and I'd happily and openly complain if the second was not)
@Nick Hmm.. you'd complain on meta if my flag isn't marked helpful? :)
Ha, nope :p
@ArghyaSadhu That one was auto-removed by system as soon as I flagged it. The other is still pending.
17:08
@DonaldDuck Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 1 year, 2 months ago. That's too old for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
@DonaldDuck Also this one at 2 years, 2 months ago
It looks like you haven't been active in chat or on SO for a couple of hours, so I'm going to assume you're in a period of time where you don't have access to SO. For now, I'm going to move these out of the room. If there is a reason why they qualify, please say so and I'll move them back.
I think the colour of comment flags should reflect the severity. I didn't raise a red flag, I just raised a "No Longer Needed", but the colour is red. It's very confusing..
@Scratte was the answer accepted already?
not in a place where I am going to visit that image; could be offensive too
@ArghyaSadhu No. And it's not likely to be. The question asker has been active since both commens. But why even ask this?!? :) The Question asker is notified when an Answer comes.
@Scratte I am sure that majority of my flags about that kind of interaction ('have you seen my answer', 'have you seen my update', 'don't forget to accept my answer if it helped you', etc...) had slow resolution. I considered that the mods made sure that it was read (I know my logic is questionable)
@Scratte They are always red
17:17
@Vega I'd expect them to be red, orange and yellow.. or red, orange and blue.. anything but red, red and red.
No green?
@Vega Green means OK, no?.. I wouldn't raise a flag if it was OK :)
Though I am flagging posts and hope to one day get a green flag (elite flagger status) on my profile, but comment flags are not going to help me get there..
@Scratte well because the flag says no longer needed probably means no longer needed after the answer is accepted
:)
@ArghyaSadhu :O I hope you are joking :D
@Scratte I don't know internally how it works but maybe it does not show up in mod queue unless the answer is accepted
17:33
@ArghyaSadhu All comment flags that don't immediately delete the comment show up in the mod queue immediately. They can be sorted by flag type. There is no delay on comment flags.
@Makyen got it..Thanks
@Makyen So.. what you're saying is that moderators are slacking? :D
I take it back! I take it back!.. please don't decline my flag :D
Can someone help me edit an answer, please? I seem to have broken something and I can't edit anymore. stackoverflow.com/a/63675463/1839439
@Dharman Made a quick edit of what was obvious. Anything else needed?
@Scratte The queue was down to single digits over the weekend. It's back to > 100. Note that's posts flagged, not total flags. Total flags is some value more than that, as each post may have multiple post and/or comment flags (post and comment flags are counted separately).
17:43
@TylerH Yeah, that's it. I need to debug my browser now...
Thanks
@Makyen I didn't know that the count was for separate posts. But it makes sense though. No need to handle separate flags, when one can handle all of them on a post. So I guess 100 comment flag on a post will just count as one item?
@Scratte Yes, but unless you are deleting all of the comments on the post, each flag is a separate click, but all are presented at the same time.
@Scratte for us as well it's same..I mean if you flagged more than one comment in a post it will show in a group
 
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Any language-lawyer experts around? I saw this and will happily defer to others' expertise. (Maybe needs the [language-lawyer] tag?)
... also - sorry if this whole issue is off-topic for SOCVR. Just thought I'd ask for some help.
22:01
@desertnaut you didn't vtc yourself?
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@Georgy Should this really be deleted? (link to the question: stackoverflow.com/questions/63279788/…)
Yeah, that doesn't look like a great subject for deletion
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@Machavity lock?
:/
nah, it's not passing the bar
@M-- Not really lock material. Closed is fine
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@Machavity yea, I will ask for reopening if deleted. What about binning the del-pls?
22:32
@Braiam IMO that sounds like it could be worth posting as an answer "Don't download the source files, use the OSDN page with its installer instead" or a comment (as has already been done). It doesn't sound particularly unclear I think
22:44
@CertainPerformance I'm not going to google something for someone. At some point people need to learn how to search stuff.
BTW, it's not that difficult. mingw on your favorite search engine (even if not personalized) should return mingw.org
Left side has the download section.
@M-- IMHO, that question is... terrible... I wonder how it got upvoted so much. Probably because of the bounty? In any case, I don't see how this question will be useful to anybody in the future. OP presents quite a complex data structure and a code dump that converts it to a different data structure. Then they ask how to change the output so that empty lists would become lists with a single None. And the answer to that is...
...1) iterate over dict items 2) check if value is an empty list 3) replace it with a list with None. Not only I consider this question useless but also harmful because of the title. I'm afraid that it will attract unnecessary traffic. This is why I'd like to see it gone...
...*Ideally*, this post can be polished. We could remove all the noise, but even then it would be closed as a duplicate of several targets or as too broad since the task can be split into several subtasks. So, I don't think it's worth the trouble to polish this... ehem... turd...
...Also, on a side note. Around the time this question had a bounty, there were several similar questions with bounties as well. Later I saw that one user got suspended, and the user who asked this very question is deleted. I wonder what that was about...
@Georgy I'll let it ride. I'm not totally convinced but I have no dog in this fight
@Machavity Thanks for teaching me new idioms :)

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