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12:13 AM
spam ^^ (code only exists to make it look like an answer and has no relevance to the question at all)
 
@Nick It's not spam. They disclose affiliation, stating that the youtube channel is theirs.
It's simply a wrong answer, IMHO.
 
@10Rep it was spam
 
@Vickel Reasoning? I think it's just a wrong answer, even though the code isn't relevant. Plus, they declared affiliation, saying that the youtube channel "is mine".
Just because an answer is wrong doesn't mean deleting an answer is justified.
 
@10Rep Just because they disclose affiliation doesn't mean it's not spam; the post only exists to get people to click their youtube link.
 
@Nick But it's just a wrong answer... The code is wrong, right?
 
12:21 AM
@10Rep it's not wrong, it's completely unrelated to the question. If it was just wrong, I'd be more inclined to agree with you and just downvote (and then vtd).
 
@Nick Since I'm not an SME, I'll take your word for it.
 
@10Rep Q: * i want to refresh my page after an ajax success* A: click my video
 
@Vickel I understand the reasoning. I might have flagged had I seen the video and understood the answer is not relevant.
 
@10Rep np, you'll come along with 100's of its kind. Btw. I personally don't click on links coming from "untrusted" users
 
@Vickel Yeah, I didn't click the link either because I didn't want them to achieve their goal(which was to get views through possible self promotion).
 
12:30 AM
@10Rep As I understand it, YouTube doesn't consider it a view unless you actually watch the video, or at least some portion of it. How much it takes to be considered a view, I don't know.
 
@Makyen Yes, you're right. It's 30 seconds.
 
@10Rep as a side, so short videos of 10sec wouldn't get views? or is there another calculation?
 
@Vickel I'm basing it off of this: google.com/…
I can't find anything about videos below 30 seconds.
 
interesting, but not interested :) hahaha
 
As a question, what should the latest SD report be flagged as?
RA?
 
12:46 AM
@10Rep While I agree that it is rude (to everyone who is volunteering their time to help) and/or abusive (of the system) to do something like have your question title be garbage, and/or just dump requirements like that, it's not something which is generally considered qualified for an R/A flag. I expect you will get different responses from different moderators, depending on who handles such a flag. Closure is probably a better option.
 
@Makyen Yeah, it was closed but then immediately deleted. So I was wondering why. Thanks for the confirmation.
 
@10Rep It was deleted by the OP just over 1 minute after it was closed.
 
Oh.
 
1:59 AM
^ translated by non-OP :-\
 
@RyanM Mehhhh, left a comment
 
 
1 hour later…
3:16 AM
What do we do about questions where the OP is knowingly asking how to do something that violates another site’s TOS? stackoverflow.com/questions/63606308/…
I think we clearly would not allow questions that were asking for help on how to violate the Stack Overflow or Stack Exchange TOS.
So why should we allow questions asking for help on how to violate another site/service’s TOS?
Specifically, in this case, Discord has a clear, unambiguous prohibition of so-called “selfbots”. And the OP of stackoverflow.com/questions/63606308/… has explicitly said in a comment there that they are aware of that prohibition against selfbots. Yet their question is asking for help on how to do something with a selfbot.
 
@sideshowbarker something like this was discussed earlier today (about 4 hours ago) with a reference to this meta post
 
Err, don't know if this question belongs here, but how long do I wait before a flag has been taken a look at? It's been 4 days now
 
Is it a mod flag?
 
@d4rk4ng31 I've never seen one take longer than a month and a half on Stack Overflow, if that gives you an idea of the range of handling times :-) In practice, they're going much faster these days, though. Pretty much everything is handled within a week, but it might be longer if it's complex or requires subject-matter expertise.
 
3:29 AM
@Vega yes
Oh well okay. Do I leave the link here?😅
 
No need, the mods will see it and handle it on their own. There's no real way to increase the priority.
 
@d4rk4ng31 All what Ryan M said :)
 
Ah! well. Thanks :)
Also, if I need help regarding a bounty, do we have a chat room?
 
@d4rk4ng31 I've left a response on your new unix meta post, this is something you likely won't get the response you'd like for though
 
Aww man! Well, thanks :)
 
3:38 AM
@d4rk4ng31 err... Seem to be close flags which are handled by the community through queues rather than mods... Which of stackoverflow.com/users/flag-summary/… are you referring to as none of those are 4 days
 
@Nick Also, just for knowledge, what are the cases in which bounties are refundable?
 
@d4rk4ng31 They're mentioned in the comments on the post, but mostly where it was an obvious accident, or where the user is trying to game the system
@JonClements I think the flag is probably over on unix about the bounty (see link in my message above)
 
@Nick After reading meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267699/… it remains unclear to me if there’s any actual policy that community moderators are following.
@Nick I note the comment at meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267699/… where someone says, “Both times my flags were "declined - flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention". This puzzles me, as removing illegal questions seems like something that moderators should intervene in.”
 
@JonClements, this one. Ah well, its more than 4 days though. Sorry, my bad
 
@d4rk4ng31 you flagged for closure and that post is in the close vote review queue
(mods don't generally handle close votes/flags)
 
3:42 AM
@JonClements Oh! that's good to know :)
Also, why are duplicate and needs improvement flags related?
 
@sideshowbarker Yeah, it doesn't really help. Even reading the linked questions doesn't offer much guidance either, but it seems the general consensus was to figure out another way to close the question as a mod flag was likely to be declined.
 
there's no hard and fast rule for bountied stuff
 
@JonClements If I have marked a question as duplicate and then I understand that it was actually asking something else, which needs clarity/focus instead, I won't be able to flag it appropriately
 
@Nick OK — thanks
 
3:44 AM
if it's not a case of trying to xfer rep to a possible sock account, then if it's flagged and caught fairly sharpish and it seems like an innocent enough mistake, a mod will likely refund the bounty and close the question
 
I don't believe that mods can refund awarded bounties, though. Is that correct?
 
@d4rk4ng31 You can only flag a post more than once using a custom reason
 
@JonClements Hmm..When there is an appropriate flag? Why has that been put in place like that though?
 
because there's always people that like to abuse things and the rest of us can't have nice things :p
 
This comment from animuson explains it well
 
3:50 AM
@RyanM mostly yeah... there's a few bits we can do depending on time scale/votes etc... but generally if mods are going around tidying up awarded bounties that shouldn't have been (eg: people trying to gain the system) - then the accounts will not be existing afterwards for anyone to have benefited from it anyway
so by all means... cheat your way to 1500 rep or whatever, but if caught out, say good bye to your account, and all you've done is waste your time
 
@JonClements That's actually sad; but true for most stuff ;)
 
@d4rk4ng31 you'll find that a lot of stuff on the platform is "rate limited"
for instance - you get one close/reopen vote on a question...
so if for some reason you vote to close a Q, then for whatever reason vote to reopen, you don't get to vote either way on it again
 
@JonClements Unless your vote expires no?
 
Oh! I didn't know that. I still can't close/reopen someone else's post. (And have rarely closed my own posts ;) )
@Nick It expires too?!
 
@Nick if it "expires" it does indeed count as though you hadn't done it
sorry, should have been more clear and said: "if you successfully..."
 
3:59 AM
Yeah, if a question is closed/re-opened through one of your votes, you cannot revote in the same way. The same is the case if you retract your vote
 
yup
except custom flags - you can raise as many of those as you wish
 
4:10 AM
wow... this python excel writer library really isn't memory friendly... 480k rows to write... system memory usage sitting idle is at 2.2gb... goes up to nearly 9.7gb before it completes
guessing it builds up the entire XML in memory, tries to gzip it in memory, then holding both, writes to disk before releasing stuff... might have to investigate that and see if I can't fork it, have a play and see if it's possible it can be an option to stream to disk instead of hold memory
 
@TheMaster What is this seeking recommendations for? Seeking recommendations on how to do things is not off-topic.
 
@RyanM Readymade scripts. "Is there a Google sheets macro..."?
 
@TheMaster perhaps you linked the wrong question - that text isn't present
 
@RyanM title, that said under the logic of it asking for scripts half the site would be off-topic, so I'm gunna abstain
 
How-to questions are not inherently off-topic. If you feel it's too broad, that would be a legitimate close reason, but they're not really asking for resource recommendations here.
 
4:24 AM
@Nick I think we've had this conversation before, haven't we? Do we need to repeat it?
 
@KenWhite apparently I have a very poor memory...
 
@Nick tl;dr some moderators will validate that flag and red-flag nuke it, others may decline it and just close/delete. You risk a declined flag doing so.
 
@Nick Nah, I just steal half of them :p
 
@RyanM I don't really see how filling a post with garbage is not r/a. Can OP really not be bothered spending the time to write something relevant to the question? If they can't, why should we spend the time reading and/or answering it. If a mod declines the flag, so be it, I'm still going to flag them. I probably flag enough that one declined flag won't get me a ban...
@Nick That explains a lot! :-)
 
@Nick From my perspective, if I were a moderator I would validate the flag on that post. That one was especially bad.
I'm just repeating the advice :-)
 
4:38 AM
@Nick I think everyone appreciates that, the message was more, people can choose how they want to report posts in here, everyone should be deciding themselves how to act on that post independant of the reason given by the cv/flag-pls'er, there's no "wrong" request
FWIW it was hovercraft that called you out last time @KenWhite, not Nick :p (src)
 
@RyanM @Nick sorry if my reply came across a bit aggressively, I wasn't trying to shoot the messenger.
 
It didn't, no harm done
 
No worries :-)
 
@Nick OK. My mistake. :-) You still see my reasons for not flagging.
 
5:12 AM
I had forgotten that LOLCODE existed.
 
5:46 AM
Might be a spam seed, definitely off-topic though
 
6:33 AM
This question was closed as a duplicate and now the OP re-asked the same question with some meta commentary.
 
7:05 AM
@JeanneDark a moderator got it ...
 
7:19 AM
@rene can you please bin chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=50314058? The question has been edited and it is no longer POB.
 
7:46 AM
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio there's no rush. The question will disappear on its own.
 
8:13 AM
Not sure what to make of this question which has been extensively changed by the OP from unformatted code first to code to no code at all but picture.
 
@JeanneDark lets close it, none of the revisons seems answerable, the current answer is a guess at best
 
This seems like the best course of action. "Needs more focus" seems to fit well.
 
8:29 AM
@DavidBuck The answer is also NAA (link-only)
 
@JeanneDark Yup. Already flagged
 
@JeanneDark @DavidBuck I flagged the answer as NAA. But I'm not sure whether spam is appropriate as well.
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio It definitely is written in a spammy way, but the linked site doesn't appear to have any affiliation.
 
It certainly looks suspicious but when in doubt I go for the softer option (NAA, no longer needed etc.)
 
I.e. I know an NAA flag won't be disputed, but a spam flag might...
 
8:34 AM
@JeanneDark @DavidBuck Yes, better to go safe.
 
Plus that site's actually kinda cool.
 
Interestingly, answer was now deleted but NAA flag still pending
 
@JeanneDark Same here.
 
in a certain sense it's not a "typo" in that they "used // to make it as command line statement" but since that's complete nonsense I don't really know what to do...
 
8:41 AM
It's R/A
 
@JeanneDark So it is. That's unusual
Has the "Requires Editing" button in Triage been removed? There are zero questions in H&I and nearly 8 hours into the day, there have been zero reviews.
 
@DavidBuck it has been removed, yes
I missed the announcement
 
@rene You wouldn't happen to be using Samuel's Review Queue Helper script, would you?
 
@rene ;D
 
9:03 AM
@DavidBuck I've been promoting uBlocking it :) I just checked. It's still there when the extension is disabled.
 
@Scratte Could you wait until I've done another 325 reviews?
 
Is this question spam?
 
yes
 
Also yes
 
@DavidBuck No!.. I think someone is actively going through the queue and suspending anyone clicking on the button. I don't even want to click it if the post is fine, but just needs editing. "Looks OK" is a much safer alternative, even in that case.
 
9:08 AM
@rene Why not ask on MSO? I guess it would be well received :)
 
@RyanM I am. I guess I'm basing my findings on the magic ball of Samuel's script ...
@JeanneDark I've had enough "success" on Meta for the last few days. I pass ...
 
@DavidBuck ^^ more like customer services?
 
I'm not sure this is within the spirit of the room, so @rene feel free to remove if you think it's a problem, but per the above question, if you search for "uber business development representative" there are 7 open questions where people are asking what to do when they get the message asking to contact them.
@desertnaut I agree but I've just CV'd a bunch of them and it was easier... The meta post about customer services posts does say they're close worthy because people can't answer with facts but only opinions...
 
9:23 AM
@DavidBuck those look closeable to me, custom: we're not customer support
 
no more automatic comments when using a custom close reason?
 
@desertnaut There's something wrong. When I click close, it doesn't take me to a custom reason, it shows me that there is (1) community specific reason, then nothing.
 
!!!
 
I thought it was weird earlier. I CV'd with a custom comment, but when I looked at it again, it said I'd closed it as POB.
 
9:37 AM
@DavidBuck Maybe it's a plot to confuse new users?
 
@DavidBuck Isn't that always the case? When I CVed a question in the section "community-specific reason" I can't see where I'm voted later on anymore, just see a mark at community-specific reason.
 
Anyone noticed that flag status is staying pending for sometime after the post is deleted?
 
@ArghyaSadhu Yes, we found it out earlier, too.
My flag was accepted after a half to 3/4 hour later or so.
 
@ArghyaSadhu Also the downvote payback is delayed after the post has been deleted. I got mine now payed back whil the post was deleted over an hour ago.
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio No. Normally if someone has voted with a custom reason, I'm taken straight to that reason (that's probably the review scripts at work)
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio something must be going on today
 
Not sure if New post formatting could cause these strange things. It's the only change I'm aware of though. It does imply only layout changes are suppose to happen.
 
@DavidBuck Ah, so I misunderstood you and we talk about 2 different things. I meant when I vote myself, I can't see the specific reason later in the section. I see just a mark at the section.
Seems strange.
Wicked things going on today. Surely has something to do with the new changes.
 
10:32 AM
@JonClements Which is it? I have to process some excel files that reaches me, and I was thinking that automating that would be useful.
 
@Braiam The writer I use is openpyxl... the reader one generally uses is xlrd
 
11:05 AM
^^ re SD report: That user's only other answer is identical to that one.
 
11:35 AM
possibly spam but unclear.
 
@RyanM Second identical post so it's looking more and more like spam
 
@DavidBuck Yeah, I custom flagged it.
 
11:50 AM
@Adriaan done from my part
 
Morning
 
o/
 
This post from yesterday was edited, but the comment seems to suggest it's still lacking details. Can this be confirmed?
 
12:32 PM
@Scratte I agree, the question still lacks details, and I don't see how it is answerable. My close vote from yesterday is still sitting there, I won't retract
 
@klutt you link to an answer
 
@JeanneDark Fixed
 
12:51 PM
@janw Thank you. I'll post it here then :) Hmm.. on second thought, I get this when I try to to do it. Does a binned request count as a previous request?
 
FYI, the question we migrated yesterday to Stats SE had a rather great reception there :) stats.stackexchange.com/questions/484755/…
 
1:13 PM
@JeanneDark @Machavity this can use a canned licensing comment
 
@Adriaan Done
 
@Machavity Engineer is credit to team!
 
@Machavity could you please remove this chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50318708#50318708 (and this message itself afterwards)? thanks
 
@JeanneDark The canned comments can be found at comments.socvr.org
 
1:22 PM
Thanks!
 
@desertnaut You want that one binned?
 
yes please
 
1:41 PM
to this^^ : What is the reasoning of someone making funny about anyone else having a problem?
 
Is this on-topic? Boils down to "How do I distribute this to my friends in an easy way"
 
Smokey's report was edited in the graceperiod.
 
Ah nice. He changed his answer and added as a comment instead.
 
@Adriaan I would say it's primarily opinion-based, maybe even recommendation.
 
1:46 PM
@JeanneDark jup, makes sense
 
@Adriaan Isn't there about a million ways to make an executable file accessible? I mean they could put on a flashdrive and send it with FedEx..
 
@Scratte problem is though that Octave doesn't have a native way of compiling/packaging to executables.
 
@Adriaan You lost me :) It is interpreted?
 
@Scratte Yea, it's interpreted. MATLAB (what some people see as Octave's big and paid-for brother) does offer a compiler to C/C++ code which can then be packaged to an executable, but Octave isn't that far yet.
 
I was told once that modern MATLAB is built on top of a hacked JVM, know if thats true?
 
1:54 PM
@code11 I have no clue. There's a bunch of ways to use JAVA commands, and I get thrown NPEs every time I launch it on Ubuntu, but that's all I know about it
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Unless you're out of flags, posting it here isn't necessary. One flag is enough to put it into the Low Quality Posts queue. Multiple flag doesn't make the Answer go away faster, like red flags do.
 
@Scratte Isn't NAA a red flag?
 
No, NAA isn't
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio No, only spam and R/A are. Basically, those are the ones that show up "red" in your list of flagged posts, hence the name. Side note, if you want us to flag an NAA/VLQ post (if you're out of flags, or it has been edited and your flag cleared), use [tag:flag-pls] including why we, instead of you, should flag it.
 
What would be the correct action for an answer that just copies a part of OP's code without formatting. Just downvote? Flag as NAA + comment? It has a un upvote
 
1:59 PM
@Vega It doesn't answer anything? Just a straight copy? Which OP? The Question or another Answer poster?
 
@Vega NAA+comment sounds good (Do mods see comments nowadays when handling NAAs?). Smells of sockpuppeteering btb
 
Yes, it is just a part of the OP's code, no change
May I give a link?
@Scratte Question OP
 
@Vega :O Just code? No other words? I assume you may give a link and ask what to do. Why wouldn't you?
 
@Adriaan No, they do not read :( ;)
 
@Adriaan Thank you very much. Will use [tag:flg-pls] then in the future.
 
2:02 PM
@Scratte Nothing else. Ah, they added a bullet point 1.
 
@Adriaan No. They need to click something once (if I remember correctly) to see comments. Or open it up properly.
 
This question received a quick upvote, but does it have enough details to be answerable?
 
@Vega Yes. I see. That is identical to the code in the Question. The upvote is very strange.
 
@Scratte I will flag NAA+comment. I hesitate for the DV, though
Thank you for the advices, @Scratte and @Adriaan :)
 
2:16 PM
@Vega You may get your flag declined though. I already commented.
 
@Scratte Thank you, it is perfect! I flagged, it will give me an other reason to rant about declined flags ;) But I really hope not
 
Incidentally, I finally remembered to fix my AutoReviewComments patch and resubmit, JIC anyone still has a broken close dialog box github.com/Benjol/SE-AutoReviewComments/pull/181
 
@Vega Heh. Yes, you are right. But then you can post it here as a 20K delete please, no? :)
 
It has to be scored at <0
 
@Machavity If I've previously posted a request here, but asked for it to be binned fairly quickly after I posted it. Does it count as a request?
@Vega Oh.. I see. You'll let me know about the result of the flag? :)
 
2:24 PM
@Scratte In what sense do you mean "count"?
 
@Machavity We're not suppose to post the same request multiple times, right? 2 at a maximum. So would it count as once?
 
@Scratte If you goof up and post it twice by accident, we won't hold it against you, no. We just don't want people trying to deliberately "bump" CVs
 
@Machavity That's not my scenario. I posted it and someone objected because of "reasons".. then I asked it to be binned. The "reasons" turned out to not be entirely valid, so now I'd like to post it again.
 
Oh. In that case, yeah it's fine to repost after a previous bin request (as long as it wasn't a RO forced bin)
 
@Machavity OK. Thanks. No, no one forced the binning :)
 
2:37 PM
Have you seen the markup change?
 
@Vega I think I have solved a little puzzle about a post. I'll share it in the Ministry, if you're curious :)
 
Did "Requires editing" finally come back or is it gone for good?
 
Huh, looks like they changed the styling of code blocks in the SO dark mode. I think I like it
 
@Scratte I would love, yes!
 
@JeanneDark It's still there.. unless you block it. But I suspect you don't need to yet :(
 
2:49 PM
Thank you. Already looking forward to it
 
You're only suppose to use it if you want to be suspended from review :D
 
There are still a few folks clicking on "Requires Editing" (cos those posts then end up in the Help & Improvement queue). But vastly less than back before Sam started his purge. I typically see the number of posts in H&I as around 3 - 4 at any time, sometimes even down to zero.
 
@NathanOliver doesn't look too good when no language is detected though
 
with code fences it's pretty easy to rectify that
 
@JeanneDark Never went away, we just had a mod bird-dog it until people most learned to stop misusing it
 
2:53 PM
@NathanOliver it does look nice
 
@AndrasDeak bummer that it looks worse (to me) than no auto-detected lang did previously, but it also requires a language that the system knows (admittedly there are not a ton of Qs that don't have such a known lang...)
 
Huh, what did just happen to the line height in posts. That looks awful
 
in the post preview it takes crazy long for tag-based highlighting to appear
@janw 12-point font, one-half spacing ;)
 
Oh, probably the new formatting. MSE just explodes
 
2:58 PM
10M beta testers hammering away
 
I don't personally see new line height @janw can you take a screenshot?
 
@janw Yep - looks quite baby-faced and amateurish, IMHO.
 
or maybe it is so subtle that I didn't notice it? From everyone's descriptions though I feel like I would
 
Unfortunately I didn't preserve a tab with the old styling, so I can't show a comparison
 
Hmm, I do see the same but I guess I don't notice how it is different
it does look odd inside code windows though. I think I agree with folks it needs to be lessened
 
have the buttons on scroll bars really been invisible before today? I can't believe that
 
@TylerH No, certainly not
This looks pretty weird now (I only see the bar)
 
3:25 PM
FYI the fix for line-height is a user style of .s-prose { line-height: 1.3 !important; } (actual value adjustable to your preferences) -- for anyone sufficiently annoyed
@janw Thanks, wanted to make sure I was not going crazy; Aaron responded to my report by saying that change was not part of the one they implemented today... but it is new today, so... :-)
It is a bit boggling to see them change certain stuff just for the sake of changing it. I understand some things like reducing technical debt, bringing stuff all under one system, etc. but again 0% of this was screened on UX.SE... surprise surprise
 
@JeanneDark The question in question doesn't contain a question.
 
@janw Oh... Yuk.
 
@janw They do this because they don't actually want you to be able to look at an entire post. You must scroll.. a lot.
 
@TylerH Weird. Well, at least they did something to the scrollbars. They look a bit blurry now...maybe the disappearance of the buttons just suddenly became more noticable?
 
@janw I don't notice a change except the one they made from yesterday
 
3:35 PM
@TylerH I'm sure the board of directors gave the green light
 
I doubt they get consulted for a website styling refresh
 
I'm not liking the spacing very much. Apart from the missing top bit, this is basically my entire screen, and before is on the left and after is on the right. I'd like to see MORE.. not less.
 
@Scratte I agree, it seems like a bug to me
 
@tripleee what is a bug to you is status-bydesign for SE ...
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@TylerH Thank you. That works for me :)
@tripleee Yes. Every time they make a change, I spend time changing it back.. it feels like one regression after another. But sadly, I think rene is right.
 
3:46 PM
@TylerH I'm trying to find a screenshot of "before". I am pretty sure that they changed that, too, but Aaron's repeated statement got me confused
 
@janw Apparently it has been hidden before today, but just not noticeable I guess until the dark mode got its code box background set to dark
I'm trying to nail down the exact day it was changed now. Some time in February
yay for binary searches...
 
Fortunately archive.org also hosts CSS filess
 
Yep
 
The scrollbars indeed didn't change. It is weird that I didn't really notice that beforehand
Now I can't un-see it. Fortunately such stuff can be fixed with user styles
 
same for me
I've currently narrowed it down to some time between Feb 7th and Feb 15th
oh god, on Feb 11th they had some weird thin scrollbar that went the full length (no buttons or even spaces for buttons)
 
4:00 PM
I wonder if all regular users on Stack goes through the same level of frustrations with these types of changes :D Or it it's just us..
 
Yep, Feb 10th they had proper scrollbar buttons. Feb 11th they had weird macOS/Google Chrome-like scrollbars. Feb 12th they reverted to normal scrollbars but hid the buttons.
 
Interesting. I never noticed.
 
Why does the post look slightly different? The font seems the same but the text looks different
 
Did they increase the spacing?
 
4:12 PM
or do you mean beyond the line spacing?
yeah
 
ohh ok, thanks Andreas. this is helpful
 
@janw It can be fixed with this user style: pre { scrollbar-color: var(--scrollbar) !important; }
basically removing the transparent property hiding the buttons.
Such an oddity for them to decide "ew let's hide this small but impactful thing and make it opaque to users why there's space here or that clicking here actually does something"
 
Thank you!
 
4:30 PM
Is downvoting in addition to flagging as spam encouraged? The flag comes with a downvote already and further downvoting just decreases visibility and so other potential flaggers might miss it? (Asking because I just read that in an answer)
 
@JeanneDark Vote however you want, if you think that the spam post is not going to be useful to other readers you can downvote it
 
@E_net4'sgrassencountertable I'd rather say "needs [debugging] details", as OP didn't include the desired behavior
 
@TylerH I'm not sure I understand what this is mean to bring out.
 
@janw I would've said "too unclear / plzgivemetehcode" if it wasn't a bit too much. ;)
 
@E_net4'sgrassencountertable Interestingly enough it already had my downvote, but not a close vote.
 
4:36 PM
@Dharman I don't blame you. The meta-commentary is a red flag.
 
@Makyen I remember you had a discussion about red flags ageing away and how they shouldn't. I just noticed this comment, and indeed that is what the help page says.
 
4:52 PM
@Scratte Thanks.
 
@TylerH if you have anything to "solve" the line height, I've made an meta-answer for you: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/400714/578411
 
@Scratte I think he's confused by this line
> Moderators may step in to handle flags that aren't handled by ordinary members of the site or the system.
Not the greatest verbiage there. Should probably read
> Moderators deal with flags that have not been handled by the system itself (either by casting enough flags of that type or by review).
 
@Scratte It also seems to have been policy forever. wayback on Aug 4th 2013 it also mentioned "offensive and spam flags expire after 48 hours if the thresholds aren't reached"
 
^^ SD report: At least NAA (link-only)
 
@rene Love the 6 to 8 weeks reference. :D
 
5:09 PM
@Machavity Use the term exception handler and it will be easier?
 
@Braiam Technically correct but misleading. I'd say most flags are NOT automatically handled
For instance, I've been declining a lot of spam flags of late from people trying to merely delete content. That's not what spam is for, and they're the only flag in most cases.
 
@Machavity I meant to explain what moderators do: they are exception handlers.
@Machavity That sounds grounds for a mod message.
 
@Braiam In repeat cases it is
Most are one-off flags
But I did see a user last night with a ridiculous decline rate
 
5:34 PM
Source fence background went from grey to black today, right?!
 
yes
 
@bad_coder I had to switch to it, but yes: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/400712/…
 
I just noticed the discussion up thread.
 
5:38 PM
@Scratte Look for a question with code where the code scrolls. Toggle the style off and on while looking at the scroll bar
 
@Vega I hadn't scrolled that far up yet :P
 
@TylerH thanks
 
@TylerH I tried to put it into stylus, but it complains about the "scrollbar-color". It says "Unknown property". So I got more curious about what it was suppose to do :)
 
5:55 PM
@Scratte I believe scrollbar-color is only supported in Firefox. They probably use a -webkit- vendor style for other browsers.
 
@TylerH Oh. I think perhaps I'll have to be ignorant about it. Since you say it's hidden, I can't use the dev tool to find out how to do it and I just fumble with CSS.
 
6:12 PM
@Scratte at this answer stackoverflow.com/a/21733365/2756409 there is a scrollbar in the bottom code block. Notice the square "blocks" on the left and right side of the draggable scroll bar? There used to be sideways carets there (e.g. < and >) to indicate that they were clickable buttons. Now there's nothing. This is what it looks like with my style.
 
@TylerH I see :) Thank you for the image. I never had those that I recall. Also, mine isn't square, mine is rounded
 
@Scratte Are you on a Mac?
(and probably running Chrome)?
 
@TylerH No. Windows 10 and using Opera :)
 
On February 10th, 2020 it looked like my screenshot for all browsers. On February 11th they implemented the feature that made it thin and removed the boxes altogether. On Feb 12 they updated it again (for apparently only some users on certain OSes/browsers) to look like it used to but without the boxes.
 
@TylerH Gah... I just saw the new change (I'd already reverted the older ones). Why mess with scrollbars? They have a default formatting by OS/browser for a reason.
 
@Makyen Well, you know... job security I guess :-) I posted a fix earler if you haven't seen it yet
I actually have several styles to revert code blocks now, one sec:
i.stack.imgur.com/K4DgD.png Here they all are @Makyen
 
@TylerH VtC code as image.
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:-)
 
@TylerH I think the change is a good marketing move. Makes the site stand out more. Some novelty is generally welcome, if they slightly change the style every year users keep getting surprises. I think the all black might be slightly harsh on the eyes, but so far I haven't felt it.
 
6:41 PM
@TylerH VTC unclear: line spacing is below the recommended minimum
 
@JohnDvorak (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
@bad_coder Yeah but marketing is evil
 
@TylerH not necessarily if it isn't manipulative or unfairly persuasive. It's only evil if it deceives or plays on persons weaknesses.
 
@bad_coder That's not what I mean
I mean they make stupid demands that harm usability :-)
 
I agree. They do harm usability. I had to spend time getting rid of the orange oval buttons. I just couldn't review with those things sitting there screaming at me all the time.
 
@TylerH ohhh, I'm not a CSS expert beyond the basics. I usually get the styles from a designer and apply them, so I wouldn't be able to evaluate what impact these changes have.
 
6:48 PM
Those same buttons also made my profile page look like it was one of those kids game, where you have to put the shaped block into the right hole in a box.. only they were all identical and orange.. :)
 
7:13 PM
Are staff moderators people too? It's so strange seeing normal curation activities performed by staff
 
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