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00:03
@Dharman Yeah, I picked up one typo, the answer picked out another which between them were the problem; the answer gives some more advice but that is duplicated in many many SQL answers
@RyanM thanks for the link. My interpretation was definitely wrong.
I have an issue. I have a problem, but I posted a post under 90 minutes ago, and now I cant get any help. Anyone know how to help?
Can an RO remove my last request.
@AriesNinja Why do you expect people to post an answer in the first 90 minutes? Some posts get answered 5-10 years later
@Nkosi That link is to a question, not a request.
oops
fixed
my bad
00:10
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
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@Dharman What I am saying is that I asked a question under 90 minutes ago, and now I have a new question, but I cant post it becasue of stack overflow's 90 minutes restriction.
00:26
I just found a meta post where a user has a gold hammer but they want to opt out.. and they can't.
@AriesNinja There's nothing anyone can do to change the system imposed limitations on posting questions or answers. You just have to work within those restrictions.
There's definitely mounting evidence that some of us feels the privileges are.. unwanted.
@Scratte That's … expected.
@Scratte Of course there are. People are people. There are people on all sides of all issues.
@Scratte I've often found questions that I'd like to be able to vote as a duplicate (because I'm not 100% certain), but don't because I would hammer it closed.
I still don't understand why they are forced instead of being opt-in/opt-out.
00:29
Having said that, those are rare and 99.9% of the time I'm really happy I have a hammer...
@Scratte At a minimum, it's a lot easier to write code with it being the same for everyone.
@Nick You're not alone. Here's How do I give up the mighty Mjölnir?. I'm pretty sure I will never get it. But if the choice is between it and removing highly upvotes answers, I really think I'd remove a few answers.
UX can also become a challenge. The more settings you have, the more complex your interface necessarily becomes.
@RyanM I guess that makes sense. I suppose Stack will not lose out just because a gold tag user refuses to close post as duplicates.
@Dharman *frown*, you are apparently the worst at pinging instead of replying
00:38
@Nick ah, you're getting my usual experience, are you? :-)
2 random pings in the last 5 days, both from Dharman :p
@Nick s: you are lucky that @Dharman is not deleting one of you as duplicate :)
5
we've had multiple Kevins in another room, so a newcomer ended up renaming himself to Kcvin
@Vickel luckily some duplicates are allowed to remain as they add value to the site...
@AndrasDeak I prefer pretending people want my input
00:43
@Nick hahaha ^good one :)
@AndrasDeak :-P
Kudos to the chat UI for making it clear that pinging Nick will ping both users
It'll ping all users starting with "Nick" that have been active in the room in the last 30 days IIRC
probably just 7 days, but I'm talking about the tooltip
00:49
Oh, apparently it'll prioritize names which have "complete portions", so me and Nick and a hypothetical Nick A would get pinged, but a Nicko would not
Two Nicks under that one nick
@Nick sounds a bit dubious, my experience has been that everyone and their grandmother get pinged if possible
@Nick The source on my no dupe-hammer under 3K was Adriaan
And yes, it is 7 days, unless you're an RO/Mod
@Nick how is RO/mod different? Pinger or pingee? Never heard of that one.
@Scratte There is a way out! When you get your Mjölnir and you come across a post you think is a dupe but don't wish to hammer (because of some lingering doubt), then there's a place called SOCVR, where you can post a [cv-pls] request.
00:51
@AdrianMole just edit the tags...
^ Or that!
@Scratte thanks - must have been an effort to dig that up...
@Nick I think some critical information is missing. What if you're a RO/mod? Is it 1 day? 365 days?
@AndrasDeak Awesome.. edit them out and back in.. and normal voting is restored :)
00:52
/shrug
@Nick actually, Travis says it's the pingee
@Nick Yup.. but I had to. I can't sleep if I want to find something but don't :)
Oh dur, right enough, didn't check where the reference was
Sounds right for RO's then, they're always pingable in their own rooms, but mods?
Don't ping mods - they'll just arbitrarily decline your next 20 flags.
@Nick guess again
at least the UI doesn't offer formerly active ROs
00:56
That wasn't an assertion ^^, just stating it would make sense if it were the case
not my experience, but I haven't done any rigorous testing because I couldn't care less
if I want to ping someone who hasn't been around I post a directed reply
vast majority of my pings are directed anyway
@AdrianMole lol!.. Good one :)
... and be careful when you ping moles! Moles can become mods! :-)
01:17
@Nick neither ROs nor mods are always pingable; both require recent activity in the room.
@AndrasDeak You can't Mjolnir questions for tags you added, btw
@TylerH Yeah, already corrected, thanks for the confirmation though
@TylerH my point exactly
if I recall correctly any tag edit by a badger will hinder Mjolnir
@AndrasDeak You may be thinking of a recent-ish MSE question where that was speculated to be the cause, but it turned out to be caching due to a recently acquired hammer.
no, I'm thinking older MS[EO] questions or similar
01:33
@AndrasDeak nope; you can edit tags and still close so long as someone else added a tag you have a gold badge for (including OP in the original version)
I do recall that issue popping up in the past at one point but it was definitely a bug
For example, I have HTML and CSS gold badges. I could Mjolnir-close a CSS-tag-only question even after I add the HTML tag to it.
Right, just tested it here stackoverflow.com/questions/63570806/… (removing an irrelevant tag)
Also if I remove the CSS tag and add it back, I can still close a CSS-tag-only question
AFAIK, the condition is that you didn't add the tag to a question that didn't have the tag at any point.
01:47
Yes
@KenWhite: that should be a rude-abusive, not a cv-pls
@HovercraftFullOfEels Not sure why it should be a flag. I don't know who they were complaining about, so I'm not sure who it would be rude or abusive toward. Closure and deletion seemed to be the right way to deal with it.
@KenWhite if not abusive to an individual, it's certainly abusive to the site, and should be closed/deleted/expunged in a way to prevent the user from persuing any such similar actions.
@KenWhite I think it's considered to be abusive because it's just a meaningless rant. There is no attempt to ask a question.
02:35
@Nick There are consequences associated with flags for R/A. As this was the poster's first post, I didn't see a point in a flag. Closure and deletion should have gotten the point across without those consequences.
@KenWhite I understand what you're saying but the poster has no history indicating that they won't do the same thing again. I tend to agree with @HovercraftFullOfEels here.
It doesn't really matter what request was made, the point was to get people to see and act in the post, and they review and act in it how they choose independent of the guidance given in the request so.... Meh, it's gone niw
It doesn't really matter what request was made, the point was to get people to see and act in the post, and they review and act in it how they choose independent of the guidance given in the request so.... Meh, it's gone now
If that double posted... Blame my fat fingers on my phone
@Nick: I've seen many occasions where two people got into heated discussions where a moderator stepped in, deleted the comments, and issued a warning rather than suspensions. I opted for that approach with this question. You're free to disagree, and it's really irrelevant now as the post has been closed and deleted (which would have happened in either case).
Dunno why you're pinging me about it and not @Nick :p
02:48
@KenWhite I'd agree with you on that comment scenario you described. And I do give first-time posters leeway, but this was beyond my boundaries. As you say, we can agree to disagree and it's all irrelevant now anyway.
Some NLP answers are really good. i.sstatic.net/JUAkj.png
More accurate to count the number of beats in 3600 seconds and divide by 60
03:17
@BhargavRao I'm...really curious what question that was answering o_O
@RyanM some NLP question
I forgot to save a link...
I take it the question was not, in fact, how to get your heart rate? :-p
If that was the case, the screen shot would have been of the question :p
haha...fair point :-)
04:35
What do we make of this? stackoverflow.com/a/63572054
@Nick spam ... not mainsleaze spam but spam nevertheless
@tripleee I flagged VLQ but I guess the end result will be the same
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@KenWhite Would it be too mean to send them to nethackwiki.com/wiki/Source_code as an example?
@dbc I think the question should be closed here. I don't see any reason to do anything more than give them information about this site.
04:50
@KenWhite looks like a failed spam seed
@tripleee You're probably right. Think it should be flagged as such? NVM - it's already been closed.
nah, could be a simple innocent "cat pasted what I had on the clipboard"
05:38
Is this spam? Or should the question just be closed as asking for recommendations?
To me it looks like he is asking for recommendations or opinions.
@Nick it doesn't look like spam, nor does that user look like a spammer, nor do they seem affiliated. so no spam as the answer also seems useful in the context of the question and the question is on-topic.
Thanks for the feedback. I will vtc the question
why?
OP is asking for recommendations for a Windows library that does something that they have on Linux
05:45
I've found I can do x in Linux, it barks in Windows. How can I do x in Windows? is om-topic.
But they can only do x using an external library...
All the answers point off-site with no code...
That doesn't matter. The answer doesn't have to be an external library. Do --ignore-linux-errors can be the answer or Use the df-normal but preprocess your dataframe could be another.
That the answers offer external libs doesn't make the question off-topic
OK, I've retracted my vote.
06:30
Nevermind :)
@AlonEitan It was a scripting issue, which was caused by a timing issue with the final user-flag arriving, after a popup was loaded, but prior to me clicking a button that is supposed to force a moderator spam flag. That process for forcing doesn't actually do everything that's necessary (yet), if the post is already spam-deleted.
Oh I see. Thanks :)
@AlonEitan np. The script should be fixed, now, so it shouldn't happen again. :)
Did I make a mistake with this edit? In my opinion the text was quite difficult to read, and my edit made it a lot clearer (at least to me, OP might have a different native language). Even now, after two subsequent edits, the grammar is fundamentally more flawed than in my revision.
06:47
@Adriaan I think you changed the meaning slightly. For instance, the answer did not have 421 upvotes: it had 424 upvotes and 3 downvotes.
@RyanM well, if that's all the meaning I changed, boohoo. It's an unreadable piece of grammatical jungle now IMO. It's not like "421 <+> votes" is any more clear that it means combined vote total rather than upvotes.
@RyanM oh besides, OP basically copied most of my edit afterward anyway, including the 421 upvotes. They just left a bunch of grammatical mistakes.
@Adriaan yeah, you're right, they left that after editing, too... well, it's better now that they've incorporated a number of your changes. It's still got a couple errors, but I think the end result of your edit was better grammar.
@Adriaan Without doubt your edit fixed a plethora of grammatical issues, I can only guess the OP didn't like some of changes like " most popular question" -> "highest voted question". It's definitely worse for your changes having been rolled back.
Shame they didn't change the bits they objected to rather than rolliing it back entirely.
I usually try to preserve as much wording/phrasing as possible to convey the same connotation when editing.
I left them a comment asking as much. Oh well
06:56
FWIW I think your edit was nonetheless an improvement, and I'd have approved it if it were a suggestion.
Quasi-related: that answer has had some strange suggested edits
@RyanM Eh?!?.. Did you look at the rendered output?
@Scratte I did. I was very confused.
@RyanM The link doesn't work anymore though. So no mystery solved there.
^ accepted answer links are useless
07:26
@Scratte not a good duplicate, people should not be recommended to use mysql(i)_real_escape_stringas it comes with a host of other issues. Prepared statements are the correct way around issues like this. Anyway, question was non-reproducible, see the comments to the answer.
@Nick Thanks for looking :) I guess I was just quick to see that there were similarities.
@Scratte See stackoverflow.com/questions/5741187/… (courtesy of Dharman's canned comment/profile)
@SouravGhosh The tool-rec was easily removed, but I guess it still needs focus now
@RyanM But then that should be used as a duplicate. I mean the Question author of the closed post may have had a separate issue, but the Question itself doesn't just pertain to their problem.
@Nick ^ trying not to @-ping you ;) Ohh.. never mind. It'll Roomba :)
07:36
@Scratte Personally I prefer the old chestnut stackoverflow.com/questions/60174/…, it's just as applicable to this sort of issue.
@Nick Oh the subject of duplicates, more than one is not a problem, I hear :)
@Scratte That's not quite the right dupe target, though - the right one would be some sort of "how to include things via prepared statements because they don't work with concatenation" question. Although in this case the OP noted "I just found the problem, was something else, sorry for that dumb question and thanks for your help :)" so typo/no repro was the correct close reason.
@Scratte I have frequently provided lists of 3 or 4 when I've hammered a question
I really wish I could do that sans hammer...
so many cases of "you need this question + how to set a click listener on a button"
@RyanM But that argument makes Stack Overflow a help desk. That their problem was different from the actual question is irrelevant.
07:38
otherwise I get "that doesn't tell me how to do it from a button" and I want to scream.
@RyanM You're just going to have to spend more time answering and less closing...
@Scratte the one I linked is asking for inputs that break the escaping function, and the answers answer that question...doesn't say how to use prepared statements at all :-)
totally different question, totally different answers.
just explains why the proposed duplicate was bad advice.
@RyanM I hear there's a lot of good quality Questions in the android tag that you can answer to get that gold-hammer ;)
Part of the problem is that I answer a lot of questions from 1-rep users who can't upvote me...
so I get rep but not score >_<
I trust you both when you say all the duplicates are off..
07:41
@RyanM Unsung hero?
@JeanneDark aaaaaages ago :-)
@JeanneDark Aren't we all? I'm pretty sure Jon Skeet's the only person who isn't...
@JeanneDark I so wish I could get that badge.. it's the most elusive one and it can easily be lost on an account merge.
I would also have absolutely gone for the Tumbleweed, but that's not even attainable anymore :(
@Scratte have you tried answering Android questions? ;)
07:46
@RyanM I can assure you that I would not get any accepts on those since I have no idea how to even review those posts.. and negative-scored non-accepted Answers doesn't get me anything but shame :)
@RyanM I don't have to do that. I can just go to all java module posts and tell them to delete the info file ;)
I really need to make a good canonical for please stop trying to imperatively change the contents of ListView/RecyclerView children rather than changing the backing data and rebinding them
@RyanM But.. that list is depressing.
@Scratte and those are just the accepted ones
07:55
@RyanM That is required for the "Unsung hero" :)
@Nick I was curious...it checks out, Jon Skeet is not unsung
@RyanM I almost want to tell Jon Skeet, but.. I think I'll sit on my hands
..and I would assume it's almost unattainable at this point. But!.. one cannot know that Jon didn't have it once and lost it merging "Daisy Shipton" :)
08:13
@desertnaut seeing all your valid requests in here made me think that we might want a CW meta post on why general ML theory or "What parameters should I choose for my specific data?" to link to on closure
community wiki
yes, might be a good idea
08:43
@RyanM I was surprised to find that Jon actually has 1111 zero-scored answers, quite a few from the early days but mostly unaccepted too.
@Lankymart Is it also a typo/no repro?
May unclear but seems focused
08:59
Hello
Hello
Same answerer on the SD answer also posted a similar question promoting their blog... but I see that's been taken care of while I've been typing...
@Nick FYI, actually the answer was accurate. If you're an athlete and want a quick estimate 15 seconds is considered the normal. It's enough for a reliable estimate, less is subject to a momentary irregularity and more is redundant because your bpm will change within a couple of minutes.
09:27
This mysql laravel Question was edited earlier today. I think it put in the details needed. Is it OK now?
09:41
@Scratte Doesn't it need a little bit of more editing? In therms of clarity, some more details could be helpful. My knowledge of Laravel is limited, though
It was closed after the edit, right?
^ took the words right out of my mouth
...although it might be salvageable by community editing
I'm going to bed, though, and also know nothing about the subject.
\o
@Vega It seemed to me that the first comment was exactly it. So I asked them to add it to their Question (Question authors clarification in comments). Which they did, but without formatting. Which as far as I can see makes it clear enough to be answered..
to be Answered?
@AndrasDeak did you ever hear of Aladár Madarász? I really liked some of his commentary.
09:49
no
@AndrasDeak I may make an assumption, but it doesn't seem to be lacking details.. it's just a little brief. But I'm not sure, which is why I asked. I could ask something similar about doing something on an Oracle database and not need more details than a few lines.
@AndrasDeak But there aren't enough of his interviews in English. Can you please recommend an Hungarian commentator you consider good?
@Vega I think perhaps it was closed because it already had close votes on it.
@bad_coder no
@AndrasDeak that reminds me of Consuela
09:54
@Braiam ^^ this was closed 3 hours ago
@desertnaut Apparently the message stalled, because I made the request before going to bed :)
@desertnaut FYI, Braiam can not be wrong. He's our agent in the Dominican Republic.
On the other hand, hey the queue worked!
@bad_coder Actually, I can and will be wrong, but I try to make sure to minimize those instances :D
@bad_coder I have no reasons to doubt the impossibility of being wrong, but I would need some help with the logic; is this so just because of him being our agent there??
or other reasons apply, too?
@desertnaut well the logic was simple: I like you both and I wanted to interact with you. Think about it: The amount of needless antagonizing on SOCVR over minor technicalities becomes aggravating at times. Especially when those arguments are nothing but pretexts to give someone a hard time. But since I know you're both friendly persons, I wanted to take the opportunity to radically change the subject. And write :)
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10:05
@bad_coder I am genuinely impressed!
good job, and mission accomplished!
@Scratte It was one-hand closed by a mod
I agree it looks a useful situation/question and could/should be salvageable :)
@Vega I checked the documentation and as far as I can see, all the needed information is there in the Question. The migrate isn't like migrating between databases. It's more like a git push.
Which seems to indicate that all it needs is formatting of the two commands used.
..but I think a user was review-suspended in the process.
Oops.. never mind :)
I'm not even sure what to do if I think a users review actions were correct. But that they likely were suspended.
12:23
@desertnaut is this also just ML theory?
@Adriaan indeed it is; voted already
@Adriaan will you post a cv-pls request?
@desertnaut mwoah, this should get closed on its own merit quick enough in MATLAB
12:45
This post stackoverflow.com/q/63578209/6865932 was closed for the wrong reason, it should have been close as typo.
well, leave a comment, we're not going through the trouble of re-opening /re-closing
@rene, I'm nor versed in using SOCVR, I thought moderators had that privilege.
A mod could do that but ... why ...
@rene, close vote for typo is different from associating it with a wrong duplicate
@anastaciu isn't there a better dupe?
@rene, maybe, I didn't look.
@anastaciu what is the typo then according to you?
@rene wWinMain should be WinMain, but there seem to be other issues, after the fix.
@anastaciu that is exactly what is in the MS supplied sample: github.com/microsoft/Windows-classic-samples/blob/master/…. The problem is probably the difference between their g++ setup and what ever VS C++ does when it creates a cpp.proj file. I think it is unlikely it is a typo but I lack the experience to guide that question any further.
13:14
@rene yes, looks like it's somewhat related, you're right. I'm also not very fluent in winAPI, but there are users trying to clear things up.
@TylerH I think it would be deleted by the -1 score rule, no?
@desertnaut the comment is gone
13:29
@JeanneDark yes - I realized that it is more complicated.
But it has already been edited and voted for reopening
without any actual improvement whatsoever
that's why I removed the comment, but not the actual CV request, which still holds
@Braiam not for a month, but yes eventually. I'm assuming the deleted answers don't contribute to the count, for that consideration (I can never remember).
@TylerH Deleted answers don't count.
Is this question on-topic? On the one hand it looks broad, on the other hand it has , which is about the only thing (apart from official download locations) one can ask recommendations for IIRC
@Adriaan As a math problem it's already quit unclear. 'circumference shouldn't be over 10 m and if possible with the base and the height of the triangle.' ?; they are trying to calculate the area, but know the answer is an isosceles...
This was tricky. It's tagged C, but the accepted and highly upvoted answer is C++ stackoverflow.com/questions/2150291/…
14:07
@klutt TBF, it's just the cout statement that is C++. The rest of the code works in C or C++
@NathanOliver Yeah, I know. Makes it even trickier :)
It's a C/C++ answer ;)
@NathanOliver There are some things you don't joke about...
But well, the answer is ten years old. I guess I can edit the print functions.
@klutt There are some things you don't Java about? What?
@Machavity Say what?
:grabs popcorn:
14:57
How many hot meta post do you see? Only 1 about code-design tag?
Yes
Same here. Must be a really good post. ;)
Also: -burn down to double digits!
@M-- First comment there is great.
M--
M--
I just read that and am laughing out loud
15:11
@M-- The link to the dead blog post reveals many scrappers :D
15:26
@DanielWiddis Your efforts there are appreciated
@Machavity Are there any status updates? I remember graphs in earlier ones about how many closed vs. edited vs. etc.
@DanielWiddis I don't think we were running the burnination bot. Hopefully we can run it again in the future
@Machavity Didn't rodgort do that?
@TylerH Good memory. It is indeed tracking it
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Ooooooh.
15:37
Was thinking of Gemmy/burnaki (Jon lost the Gemmy account info)
@Machavity I think Rodgort did communicate the tracking stuff to Gemmy
see over in Trogdor
You know, I was just thinking "i've seen about half and half edit vs. close" and that was almost spot on.
16:30
@RobertHarvey won't it roomba? What's wrong with it?
How long does Roomba take?
with no answers and negative score, 9 days probably, but I don't have the forecaster userscript
31 days (it has one reopen vote)
The roomba forecaster predicts 31 days
16:31
@janw ah
reopen vote probably from OP.
didn't know that mattered
methinks that reopen votes from OP shouldn't count against roomba
Can you vote to reopen your own question if you are <3k?
@janw I think so. You can also self-dupehammer.
@AndrasDeak I've had one I flagged as a dupe and the OP did something (I don't know what) and it showed as closed by Community.
@DanielWiddis Yes, you get a box asking you to select "yes" or "no"
If you select "yes", the question gets dupe hammered by Community
Ah, nice. I knew there had to be something easy like that but mostly I just get a comment below it, "Yes it does." <insert eyeroll emoji>
IIRC, this even works when you are <250 rep
16:37
I've seen pretty low-rep users self-hammer
@RobertHarvey I've cast the final delete vote. For future reference please be informed that we have stupid rules, one of which is no-one-boxes. Going forward would you mind not posting bare links. Thanks.
So noted.
Does this question qualify as an allowed recommendation question?
@JeanneDark I don't think so, but I haven't yet had my second cup of coffee so my brain is still fuzzy.
Asking where to find something will probably lead to link-only NAAs
We once had that "off-site resource" flag reason
But I can't find it anymore, I guess it got renamed to the "asking for recommendations" one
but sometimes it's allowed like when you're asking for the official download source
Oh, is it? *starts searching meta*
@JeanneDark I would have to say those are narrow cases where you specify exactly what IDE you are using and what link is broken and are asking how to fix it.
@NathanOliver Yeah, the meta post I just found discusses that exact statement
@NathanOliver That just as good as any post about what's an OK resource request :)
Editing a post to remove a smile emoji makes me sad.
@DanielWiddis So don't do it :)
@DanielWiddis Just cut the smiley out of the post and paste it on your face. problem solved
16:52
@DanielWiddis makes me happy :)
Hah.
Burnination down to 49 open questions... no more paging!
Not a round number though, except in base 7 - but nobody uses base 7
Seven-fingered Martians do. (True story: I had a job interview question involving a 7-fingered Martian.)
Looks like one of this room's recent closures is causing a bit of disagreement. Here's the Reopen Queue Link, if anyone wants to add their contribution (I skipped; already 1 reopen vote, presumably from the OP.)
^ PS Sorry if that sort of link is against Room Rules. (Although I specifically avoided making any recommendation or request.) :)
17:13
I don't count a singular reopen vote - especially if it comes from the asker - as disagreement :P
Well, plus the other commentator. ... and it's now open again, thanks in part to the Blurry Flower; but there's a big-name comment that's quite interseting.
^ = "interesting"
That's a baloney comment, don't care if the person stating it has a million points. Nearly all my top-rated questions and answered questions don't "have code." I don't know how you'd include any code when asking about the potential existence of an API or a workaround for the lack of an API.
17:28
Like I said (well, hinted) - I'm not taking sides. I only raised the issue here because there have been reports of unwarranted "Gang Close-Voting" made about this room and I just wanted to make the regulars folks in here aware of the post.
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@MattB. any chance of a sample app that witnesses being launched by AI? It might not help clarity, but it might help answerers test their answers.
@JohnDvorak I'd imagine such an MCVE to be quite large, requiring lots of details about the state of the phone and history of interactions since, ya'know, it's tripping a ML-driven heuristic.
I'm not an android dev, though
17:53
Was I had wrong to NAA flag this answer stackoverflow.com/a/38503127/5468463? The accepted answer is already edited with this information. But alone, is this an 'apple'?
I still see that code-design tag discussion in the hot meta post, do everyone sees the same?
@Braiam I still see it.
Me too
@Braiam Yea me too.
So the cache problem seems higher up.
@Scratte Doing the happy dance.
18:31
@JohnDvorak Down to 36, suitable for counting by a six-fingered man.
@Scratte So, I'm gonna have to start actually paying attention to the reviews in the Reopen Votes queue? Hrrmph.
@AdrianMole I know of one post already in the queue that you should pay attention to :)
@Scratte Huh? The one I raised in here earlier is no longer in the queue. Or did I miss your subtle humour, again?
@AdrianMole Not the same post :)
19:09
@oguzismail I don't understand why this question isn't answerable — indeed your comment answers it quite well.
19:31
@MattB. I don't think implementation details are not standardized is a good answer nor a useful one. If OP limited the scope of their question to a single shell implementation I'd be okay with it.
@DavidBuck Would that be a good fit for CrossValidated?
Still not a great question, but that's definitely a better place for it
@MattB. At a guess, it would just get closed over there.
Only 15 remaining open questions in the burnination. I would have (or already have) close-voted them but I'm out of close-votes for the day.
19:53
Down to 1!
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