@Dharman If you mean the fact that spread has been in PHP since version 5 rather than being added in version 8, I'm not sure that detail alone makes the Q close-worthy.
It's asking what the difference between the two functions are; when they were added is not really relevant to that... at least not directly
@TylerH The link attached doesn't say anything about spread operator. I am not sure what compact() has to do with it. The answer doesn't help me understand the question.
Of course it is not about the version. I could retag it if I knew what they were talking about.
@desertnaut i reopened a question yesterday based on the initial dataset because I find it was not a dupe. then the OP changed the data and I closed it. Now, I got moderators comment that I reopened to answer the question when it was actually answered before the closing
@AdrianMole I saw that answer but I definately don't understand how it applies here. I can't imagine a moderator dismissing the flag on this post. Is it wrong for me to just reflag this as NAA?
@akrun Not sure if we are, or if I just made it up. The rules state we shouldn’t behave like a mob, and they’re not happy about explicitly targeting downvoting from this room.
@akrun You appear to be wanting me to make general statements to apply to a specific situation. That's not going to be that helpful. If you want a specific situation looked at by a moderator, please raise a custom flag and explain. If you have a specific problem with something a moderator has done, then Meta is the best place to take it, unless it's just a mistake on a question and can be worked out by raising a custom moderator flag and explaining.
A lot of such problems are the result of raising standard flags for situations which are not obvious. If the situation isn't obvious, then explain it in a custom flag. Don't make, or expect, moderators to re-do investigations which you've already done, based only on a standard flag. Standard flags are for things that can be taken care of easily, without the need for a lot of context or investigation.
If you have a specific problem with something a moderator has done, is Meta the best place to take it if it's not just a mistake on a question and can be worked out by raising a custom moderator flag and explaining?
@AnnZen Yes, where else would you take the issue? Meta is the primary communication route for issues with moderator action. If you're unable resolve the issue with moderator action via Meta, or doing so requires disclosure of information you wish to remain private, then there's always "contact us", which goes directly to Stack Exchange employees.
Looking through the history - it was apparently edited few moments after it was closed, which must have put it in the reopen queue. 3 vs 1 voted reopen there.
It even went through a First Post review later...not sure what the result was, since the reviewer doesn't have enough rep for close vote. It just says "reviewed". Ideally they posted a close flag which I'm not able to see.
Is it acceptable to @-mention the three reviewers (in three different comments) to tell them not to reopen typo questions?
@Dharman It wasn't improved THAT much. Not enough to make it not a typo - the title was slightly altered and the starting sentence was moved to be the ending sentence (from before the code to after the code). Finally the snippet was removed. My comment under it stays the same, and there is even an answer that amounts to "it's a typo".
Oh, sorry, the sentence wasn't moved, it was added. I still don't think how it can seem like a good reopen target.
@VLAZ I am saying it was a silly mistake by reviewers. You would go through so much trouble to expose reviewers when the real problem is the user who edited the closed post to polish a turd. Reviewers might not be familiar with JS and they only saw "improvement". Sure, they should have looked at the question more thoroughly but we all make mistakes in the reviews. I don't think they intentionally voted to reopen typo question, they just fell asleep a little
I don't really blame the editor, myself - they very likely started editing before the question was closed. The edit was made less than a minute after the closure, and given the changes, it would have taken more than 30 seconds or so. But three different people did a review and found the question to be not a typo.
@VLAZ If you see the same reviewers make similar mistakes then you should flag and ask moderators to suspend them, but based on one mistake I see no reason to have mod reach out to them
@Vickel From strictly a site functionality POV: normal pings in a room chat only work if the user is A) in the room, or B) for 7 days after the user was in the room, if they have ever posted a message in the room.
Moderators can "superping", which will work from any room, even if the user has never been in chat.
@Scratte What should I look for? As far as I know, a close flag would add the post to the close queue but I'm not sure if I can check for that. Or is there something else that could be a clue?
@VLAZ That is the clue. The post would have entered the close vote queue at 13:51:26Z + x seconds/minutes. At the time of closure, the queue would appear on the timeline with "invalidated" as it was closed outside the queue.
@ChristopherMoore what is always a bit amazing is that NAA answers like that didn't pick-up a downvote. It is a strong signal when reviewers see the post.
@VLAZ No.. No secret way. But you must wait a little before seeing queue enters or exits, as they are not done immediately when flagging/voting to close or when a closure or reopen as happened.
But 30 minutes is certainly enough time. It's usually just a minute or two.
@Scratte Non-moderators can only see that a post has entered a review queue in the timeline once the review is complete. You can look at the review queue history and try to find it there, but that requires that someone has actually done a review of the post.
@Scratte It's usually several to many minutes. The tasks run on schedules which can be anywhere from 5 minutes to 1/2 hour, depending on a variety of factors. I don't know the exact schedule, but for ones which I know it varies considerably.
@VLAZ You can also infer it when the post leaves the queue due to aging away, but that can take up to 14 days, if I remember correctly. Any vote will restart the counter, if I understand the process right.
If somebody got their question closed for being unclear, then deleted it and reposted almost the exact same question, what action should be taken by reviewers? The new question has since been edited but is still lacking the necessary information for a proper answer. Original question | New question
Can I repeat a cv-pls if it didn't get any attention? I don't know why the question is still open though, no one said anything against my duplicate proposal
If your request was moved to the graveyard already and the question wasn't fully acted upon (e.g. it wasn't just closed and then later reopened by other users), then yes, you can re-request it.
However if it's still in the room here, you must wait. Likewise if it has been requested, was closed, and is simply open again, then it can't be re-requested here.
@IanCampbell Based on a very similar experience I had this afternoon, I'd bet that it was invalidated because it actually does contain an answer to the question, if a relatively low quality one (install the plugin before running that command).
@IanCampbell Given that the review was invalidated a bit over an hour after having entered the review queue, it's a reasonable bet that it was invalidated by a moderator declining the flag. Declining the flag is the correct action. The answer does, in fact, answer the question. That it thanks someone for how to do it is secondary. NAA and VLQ are not for reporting things that are answers. If there are other issues, that's what custom mod-flags are for.
@Makyen Yeah, I also have that reading, mostly because it leads with the solution, not with the thanks and the extended commentary. If it were the other way around, I could easily read it primarily as a thank you.
This has got to be the most frustrating thing about this site. In my mind, the author of that post clearly intends the primary purpose of the post to ask for clarification from the author of the answer to their question or at best to stand as a placeholder for their later answer.
It does answer the question, but it merely restates the answer provided by the author of the other answer. Again, the logic that any question can copy the accepted answer and avoid the NAA rule seems questionable.
how is a copied answer not an answer? If the original is an answer, then the copy must be as well. If it's a straight copy, then it needs to be mod flagged for plagiarism. If not, well there are down votes and delete votes.
@IanCampbell No, it doesn't. It's an answer. That means it's not NAA. That doesn't mean that it's good, or that it shouldn't be deleted. Those are more complex problems that should be reported with a custom mod-flag. They should not be reported with a flag that says merely "Not An Answer".
@IanCampbell Also note that in this case, the author's answer predates the other user's answer (and instead refers to help in the comment thread) by about 2 minutes. I also actually find this answer [post fluff removal] more useful, since it directly says what action to take, rather than more complex explanation.
Being more specific makes it easier for the mods. In case of VLQ or NAA, it should be immediately obvious and not make it necessary to check every other answer to the question (or comment). If it's not that obvious, raise a custom flag and describe what's wrong with it.
@IanCampbell Instead of saying "doesn't attempt to answer the question", have it read something like "doesn't attempt to answer any question"
Most people (rightfully) expect "NAA" to mean "this doesn't answer the question it was posted under", because that's what a contextualized NAA flag would mean in a perfect world. And the description supports that.
Unfortunately mods/meta/whoever decided at some point that, instead, NAA is for posts that aren't possibly an answer to any question ever.
Like "Thanks" or "I'm having this problem to" or "buckaroo bonzai is a great movie, go watch it"
such answers really should just be flagged as VLQ or, if you're particularly zealous, Rude/Abusive, in my not so humble opinion.
@NobodyNada are you asking for our opinion or requesting a cv-pls?
@NobodyNada OK. Please avoid using the "cv-pls" nomenclature if you're just asking for an opinion, in the future :-)
@NobodyNada Ultimately no repro, but I closed as Server Fault. My reasoning is that while Apache HTTPD is on-topic, the root problem seems to be networking config
@Vickel Well, it certainly seemed that the English & Spanish texts were actually the same (when translated), so it seemed like the right thing to do here (not sure I have come across such a case before)
@Andreas If you see a question that's a duplicate, it should be closed as a duplicate. It certainly shouldn't be closed for a reason that doesn't apply (like "typo", for example). Basic questions are OK as long as they are asked well and don't have a duplicate already... they're rare, but such posts make the best canonical duplicate targets for future questions!
@Dharman It is about Android Studio, but it could be about any software it and the answers are all about hardware. I thought it fell on the wrong side of the software development-related vs GC/hardware related line, but I'm quite prepared to withdraw my CV if there's disagreement with that assessment.
@Scratte Message was: "The suggested edit was for the most part, plagiarism, and should have been rejected. Please pay more attention to each review in future."
@CodyGray Minor counterpoint to a point I otherwise agree with: I've seen dozens of Android questions that ask a common question and state something like "I tried all answers and none worked." Occasionally, they will link the canonical and say it didn't work. These questions aren't answerable, because we don't know what makes the OP's question not a duplicate. In these cases, the answer is often "you applied the advice incorrectly" and so we actually do need to see the attempt.
In a sense, I guess that makes it a debugging question.
While we're griping about bad reasons to close questions, a lot of people (not, as far as I've seen, people in this room) seem to have mistaken "needs details or clarity" for "your request is not possible"...
If the question is trivial enough then no, just posting "No." is not a satisfactory conclusion. Presumably the OP must be missing out crucial detail, so the question must be unclear. As in "I can't believe you're really asking if lists are built-in types in python"