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6:02 PM
to make it easier and to type as little css as needed those are called bc bs bt
 
Yeah, bullc*, bulls* and bullt* right?
 
right
 
Wait a sec, what if SE is trying to compress the html page further?
 
@Nick It's not even that good. They don't even have something like "buttoncolor" they use things like bc-red5 for a CSS class that has one property: background-color: var(--red-500)
@Braiam It compresses it relative to using style for everything, but it's substantially longer than using semantic CSS classes, where you have one class that has multiple properties.
 
@Makyen I was thinking more about how compression algo allow you to save bytes by duplicating stuff (ala gzip)
 
6:11 PM
@Braiam Possible, but I don't think the gain from using these would be more than other possible ways to reduce bandwidth that would rely on not doing things that way.
 
It makes it easier for people who don't know CSS to work with the site design
that's the only reason for doing it this way
they can learn some abstracted way to handle the look and feel and "don't have to deal" with CSS
 
6:24 PM
Does it also make it easier for all the users of Stack to make personal changes?
 
@Scratte no it makes it harder
 
If you know what classes are, not really. You could have trow "alert" to a popup div message and it would have been enough, but instead you have to track how alerts look like and then apply the appropriate classes
 
you have to resort to JS or have more convoluted CSS selectors to do the same thing
semantic CSS is always more maintainable than CSS abstracted out to one-property-per-class
 
It only took about 30 min for me to remove a line.. but I'm not experienced, so I figure it will take most others 1 min :)
 
6:41 PM
@tripleee I agree that it seems to be probably off-topic, but note that there are lots of similar questions on the site
see also: ImageMagick
The FFMpeg tag does have an explicit usage note declaring this sort of question as off-topic:
> Only questions about programmatic use of the FFmpeg libraries, API, or tools are on topic. Questions about interactive use of the command line tool should be asked on Super User or Video Production.
 
@NobodyNada Super User ok, is there any site Video Production?
 
ohhh. Ok. Thanks.
 
@Scratte Aaron made some edits to his post. Hopefully that clears things up
 
@Machavity Thanks :) I should probably remove a comment or two
 
6:58 PM
@NobodyNada The problem here isn't that it is about ffmpeg, it is that there's no restriction to the ffmpeg util.
 
@Braiam sorry, I don't follow?
 
@NobodyNada You seem to be arguing that we allow similar questions on the site. I argue we may have questions like that but we don't actually allow them :)
 
@Braiam Ah, gotcha. Agreed :)
 
What is this question about? stackoverflow.com/q/63038463/792066
 
@Braiam Google says Instaloader is an instagram scraper
 
@NobodyNada Okey... they don't even know if that would be useful for their problem
 
It's way too broad if link to library is an answer.. well then we know what it is... lets hope they edit
 
Accounts are disappearing. This is so cool
 
You're always so happy when things are deleted :D
 
7:26 PM
oh, weird. The maximum review items completed message is... inside an additional box
 
Does it look nice? Would you like to see how the review overview looks for us mere mortals?
 
Seems kinda unnecessary IMO: i.stack.imgur.com/dODXL.png
 
@DanielWiddis In a way, neither: The queue limit is 40 non-skipped reviews (for that queue), regardless of your vote on the reviews. Any of those you close-vote come out of your limit of 50 close votes for the day, which is regardless of where they're cast from.
 
This is a little too prominent for me. I mean it's already grayed out..
 
@Scratte the greyed out text is only telling part of the message: you can't access this. That much is obvious, but why you can't access it is not obvious. That's what the banner message below seems to indicate
I agree it's a bit too big of a banner (and needs some padding between the content above it and the top edge of the banner) though
 
7:33 PM
@TylerH The message has always been there along with the queue grayed out. Now it's just in a huge box.
 
@Scratte Have you seen the post notices? Big and prominent is where it's at. :;
 
I changed it to this. I have no trouble reading the message even if it's not in a huge big pale blue box ;)
 
@Scratte That seems... much more reasonable.
 
@Makyen They made new ones again? Or are you referring to the last big blue banner with a screaming edit button? :)
 
M--
7:37 PM
I know I am late to the party, but is it me or everyone else feels the pressure now that we two diamonds floating around here?
 
@M-- We don't feel pressure.. only love ;)
 
Diamonds are forever flammable floating
 
M--
@Scratte There won't be any special treatment, speak your mind
 
@Scratte No new changes that I'm aware of on post notices. Just a comment that the style is a continuation of what they've done for the post notices.
@M-- Well... it does take pressure to make diamond. :)
@M-- But, there's definitely no intent on my part, and I assume @Machavity's part, to be putting pressure on people, implicit or explicit.
 
M--
@Makyen I am the one feeling it though, and I don't have any diamonds :(
 
7:40 PM
@Makyen Yes. It's almost like a runaway train(wre..)
 
I feel pressure on the two new diamonds, not us
 
@Dharman That I feel, but it's not an unexpected or inordinate amount.
 
ok, cool I still have 46 pending flags
 
@M-- Just because we now reside on Mount Olympus now and throw lightning bolts for fun, doesn't mean you should feel any additional pressure :P
 
@Machavity we just might have to jump out of the way when a lightning bolt strikes very close to us :-P
 
7:42 PM
In all seriousness, Cody hangs around here all the time. We've even had some CMs slide in from time to time
 
M--
@Machavity Is this a threat? :D
 
@Makyen I assume it will take some time to get used to the new features and getting accustomed to new responsibilities. In a few months I hope it will feel like second nature :)
 
@Scratte That matches my expectation.
 
6 to 8 weeks ...
 
I will say there's some more second guessing initially. Review queues are nice and neat, with safe options. Not so much with a diamond
 
7:46 PM
Now that you have two buttons are you sweating @mach?
 
Please don't touch the nuke button when hovering my account ;) Especially not if you feel like sneezing :D
 
@Braiam You definitely sweat when you have more buttons
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I feel so powerless.
 
@M-- I plan to be the same grumpy halfer, so "no" :=)
 
@Dharman You just have to wait a little before you can delete everything :)
 
@Dharman You can still carry on your DELETE ALL THE THINGS! campaign without mod widgets :o)
 
@Scratte Even with mod powers there's little we can do. That question is difficult to salvage. An ideal scenario would be to delete the accepted answer, but it is highly upvoted.
The second answer says the same thing but is much cleaner
 
8:24 PM
..don't mention cleaner ;)
 
I distracted myself during editing and see what I have done? stackoverflow.com/posts/6574635/revisions
 
I see. At least you didn't have to wait for those to get approved in the queue :)
 
Don't answer from your phone: stackoverflow.com/posts/63042637/revisions
 
8:46 PM
 
@Dharman Misspelling jQuery is a heresy in Meta
 
@Machavity I didn't misspell it. It was there in the original answer and I missed it when I rewrote the answer.
 
9:09 PM
@RyanM Thanks for explaining the queue vs. close quota. So I reviewed 40, closing probably about 35 of them, leaving me only 15 to handle the cv- tags here before I hit the quota. How do others here balance responding to cv- tags vs. the queues?
 
@DanielWiddis What's more enjoyable for you?
 
@DanielWiddis Vote how you see fit. Don't think there's any one correct answer. If you don't want to do any queues, you can spend all 50 here if you want
 
I may do that, since these tend to be more curated and easier decisions to make :)
 
I have got no close votes. I also don't have any normal votes. Stupid limits.
 
Should this be closed as no repro? stackoverflow.com/q/63040408/1839439
 
@DanielWiddis There's all sorts of ways. On a bad day, I'll use half my close votes on the H&I review queue, some on a few tags that always throw up fresh off-topic questions, and so on. I assume any question that is flagged or has one close vote is in the queue anyway, so you are reducing the queue by closing literally anything.
 
9:51 PM
Post notice change: Question owners no longer see close voters' usernames. The usernames of close voters are still available in the history and timeline views.
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Any gold-badgers in Python here? I helped to close a question with the wrong duplicate, would love to see it adjusted. See the comment here
 
@PaulRoub That question... doesn't seem to be tagged with Python....
 
@IanCampbell OK, I clearly need more coffee and/or sleep. And maybe fewer open tabs. Write question, wrong tag.
 
Is it okay to delete questions because it is dupe linked
 
@akrun Yes, if it does not help to find the duplicate target.
 
9:56 PM
@akrun If there are sufficient other dups to act as signposts sure
 
@Makyen Possibly gonna be controversial, that one.
 
I meant if there are enough upvotes
 
Or if some idiot closed with the wrong duplicate.
 
So.. they put big blue boxes on things that don't need it.. but removed it from the bounty notification. It really is backwards day..
 
@Scratte Bounty?
 
9:57 PM
 
@Scratte I think Makyen only becomes Cody Gray if you judge by the length of messages. Try looking at the avatars instead. :-)
 
If this is the case, I will press the delete button on every other dupe i tag
 
@Dharman Look at this big invisible box
 
@CodyGray But, with your glasses on, I can't tell the difference between a galaxy and a comet. Apparently, Charles Messier had a similar problem.
 
@akrun I probably would have left that one undeleted, but it's not totally unreasonable
 
10:00 PM
@akrun I don't see how this duplicate would help find the original. Although there are no more posts linked to it, I don't think we lost any value by deleting this post.
 
@akrun The primary purpose of a duplicate is to be a signpost to the dup-target to let users find the dup-target. If the duplicate has no answers, then deleting them is usually taken care of by the Roomba. IMO, duplicates should not be deleted, unless they are causing harm in some way. That could be that they are polluting search results, have very bad answers (although those can be deleted), etc.
 
@Dharman Okay, will do the same on others post I dupe tag
 
Great idea. If you think the post is harmful or really needs to be deleted quickly you can ask us for help.
 
In this regard, you can dupe tag even posts that have > 50 upvotes and delete it
 
@CodyGray I've had you keep the blue, btw ;)
 
10:02 PM
@akrun Yeah, but I would not be deleting posts with so many upvotes. It means 50 people did find that post instead of the target. This means it is a useful signpost.
Remember it is not about points, score or reputation. It is about helping people find the information.
 
I agree with Dharman, one should carefully consider the number of views the question has before voting to delete.
 
@Scratte What do you mean invisible?
 
Because those views almost certainly came from an in-bound Google search which would become invalid .
 
@IanCampbell +1 Dupes can be left undeleted (but closed) if they serve a purpose (as a signpost). Useless dupes, with meaningless titles and no decent answer, are candidates for deletion, IMHO.
 
@akrun I see there are even better R canonicals for this. e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/17215789/1839439
 
10:07 PM
@IanCampbell I would say that there are at least 10 or 15 reshape questions everyday. I don't see them deleted even after dupe tagged
 
@M-- What have I been all this time, chopped liver?
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@akrun You have 30 delete votes each day. You can use them
 
@akrun You are totally right. It's hard to justify us answering them. But, we do.
 
@Dharman I think.. maybe I made a change that stretched too far :)
 
An alternative strategy could be to dup-hammer them instantly.
 
10:09 PM
@Scratte lol. I see the bounty box, even in incognito.
 
@Dharman I removed all the annoying boxed they put in review.. :D It removed this one too
But.. I am not happy that someone is proposing that I don't get to see close voters in the timeline :(
 
@Makyen Ah, very nice! Glad that's finally rolled out. I'm the one who suggested and pushed for that change after some... recent events. Should help a lot with revenge downvoting.
 
Yeah, I welcome that change. It sounds good on the box. Let's see how it plays
 
I don't think I've ever been revenge downvoted. I should close more questions.
 
They could do the same for deleted posts, too
 
10:13 PM
@AdrianMole It really shouldn't be controversial at all. My argument was that the reason we show close voters is for transparency, and we need to continue doing that. But only for people who actually have close-vote privileges, can do something about abuse/improper votes, and who understand how the process works. Those people don't generally go on revenge-downvoting sprees anyway.
 
If you know how to find your deleted posts, you can find the post timeline...
 
@Dharman True, but that's considerably more rare.
 
@IanCampbell How about if I know how to find deleted posts of other users too?
 
@CodyGray Well.. some say you're soft.
 
@CodyGray OK, I'll accept that. I need some time to more thoroughly read and digest the Meta post.
 
10:15 PM
@AdrianMole There aren't any comets here, so... Why would that be a problem?
@Scratte Am I the only one who is blue now?
 
If you're in a position to be stalking other people's deleted posts and are dead set on revenge, I think we've got bigger problems than revenge downvotes
 
Different room, different chat. But I know you aren't amnesiac. @Cody
 
@Dharman Then you have > 10k rep. If you have that, then it's assumed you are going to act responsibly.
 
@AdrianMole I haven't read the Meta post at all. I'm just assuming they did what I said, and didn't manage to screw it up along the way. :-)
 
I act irresponsibly all the time and no one has taken my 10k away from me yet
 
10:17 PM
@AdrianMole Got a lot going on. This room alone produces gobs of transcripts.
 
@CodyGray Yes :)
 
Why am I so special that I get my own, dedicated color?
 
np going to read the Meta post. BRB.
 
@Dharman Heck, the community was a few votes away from giving you more power
Sorry, the chat moved as I was clicking
 
Yes, few thousand more votes and I could have deleted all of it.
 
10:18 PM
@CodyGray Just 10 minutes ago you were feeling ignored. Now you can feel un-ignored :)
@CodyGray But I don't agree that low reputation users should not have access to this information from the time line.
 
@Scratte You can still see that in the timeline for now.
 
@Scratte It's still available there. It's just not in their face at the top of their question.
 
@Scratte I don't have a strong feeling about that. Why do you think it's so important?
 
@Dharman "for now".. are the keywords.
 
I'm with you Scratte, I liked the sense of transparency.
 
10:23 PM
@Makyen The post you linked to suggests to remove that entirely.
 
Every moderation action should come with the responsibility to defend your choices.
 
The whole question of review 'anonymity' is likely to be damp gunpowder. In the real world, I am occasionally asked to perform peer reviews of other folks' work; and, likewise, my work is reviewed before publication. The reviewers are always anonymous to both the public and the authors (officially, anyway) but not nameless to the Editorial Board(s). But SO is not the same as peer-reviewed science.
 
Yeah, accountability is super important. The question is, to whom do you need to be accountable to?
 
@Scratte I read it as only talking about post notices.
 
@IanCampbell Yes. It would effectively become like regular voting. Completely anonymous to most users.
 
10:25 PM
@IanCampbell Yeah, but I don't think the name should be flaunted at the top of the page. If you need to know who it was check the timeline
 
@Scratte No, totally different from voting. Voting is anonymous to everyone but staff, and even then, they can only see it for checking for vote fraud.
 
@Makyen No.. it's a quote and an opinion / request for change: "I'd also ask that those close voters are only shown to those that have the close vote privilege"
 
@CodyGray As an actual effect (though small) - I now skip many suggested edits that I would (or should) reject, to avoid revenge downvotes. I understand that this is my choice (and a bad one) but, there it is.
 
@CodyGray Most users do not have 3000 reputation points. It's unattainable to them.
 
@AdrianMole It is a bad one, because there are fewer reviewers like you who would reject than those who would robo-approve, so your choice is resulting in more bad edits getting approved.
@Scratte Then they don't need to see how the site is moderated. They can't do anything constructive about it anyway.
 
10:28 PM
I agree, but I still have some vanity left about my rep. (But that is going away, slowly.)
 
@Scratte The entire question and answers are about post notices. The recently added text in that answer explicitly states post notices in the first sentence.
 
@CodyGray Ohh.. what am I then, useless? :)
 
@AdrianMole If I nuke a couple of your posts as rude/abusive, will that help?
 
@Scratte Just for clarity, any user, even anonymous ones, can see who closed a question from the timeline.
 
Only those I'd get nett rep. gain from by such actions!
 
10:29 PM
@Scratte When it comes to dealing with inappropriate use of close votes by users with that privilege? ...Yes. When it comes to constructively dealing with an inappropriately closed question? Mostly useless.
 
@IanCampbell As it should be, if you ask me. That's transparency.
 
Your recourse is here and Meta, as well as editing your post, leaving comments, etc. In none of those cases do you need to see the list of actual names of the close voters.
 
The other thing that may be harder for people to do is @ notify a gold tag holder that hammered their question.
But that requires a lot of site knowledge
 
@IanCampbell That's a misfeature, in my opinion.
There's no need to have a conversation with that specific individual. If the question needs reopening, anyone can do that.
 
@CodyGray Why am I even reviewing then? What's the point?
 
10:31 PM
@Scratte Pretty sure that screenshot you showed earlier suggested that you can't review the reopen queue...?
 
@CodyGray So?.. I still check the timeline when I've reviewed a post.
 
@Scratte Because you are part of the Community, and your opinion contributes to the consensus.
 
@Scratte Why?
 
M--
@CodyGray "Cody after reading my chat message": i.stack.imgur.com/f93kA.png
 
That big (1) on the top-right is not correct. Currently, my inbox is like (36)...
Otherwise, yeah, pretty much exactly.
 
10:33 PM
@CodyGray It's in my nature. It's why I'm using a script to show me close votes. It's why I check on my flags. And why remove this information when most users don't even know about the timeline?
 
Maybe it's because we're newer and more vulnerable in the community that we feel this way Scratte?
 
The timeline is now linked prominently in the sidebar. If a user who is relatively new to this platform is angry about their question being closed and wants to see who to go blame, then they're likely to find out about the timeline.
I don't see how that information is useful to you, other than just in a nosy, can't-help-yourself sort of way.
If you can make an actual argument for what constructive things you can do with the information, then I will reconsider. Maybe there's something I haven't thought of.
 
@IanCampbell Community is a two-way street. As you become fonder of its benefits, you become more susceptible to its disciplines.
 
@CodyGray Anyone can, but no one does. One can either talk to the hammer or post on meta.
 
No... you can and should edit the question and then wait for it to be reopened.
 
10:36 PM
@CodyGray Not it it's a misunderstanding.
 
Yes, still. Clearly, an expert in the subject misunderstood, so that suggests that your question can afford to be clarified.
 
@IanCampbell I don't think so.. it's because we contribute and we care. We can work on caring less though, but that's all we can do to avoid feeling left out by such proposals.
 
I certainly haven't read all the market research, but it seems as though the site has a reputation among new users as though they must act perfectly or have their questions closed and deleted by faceless veteran users. I just don't see removing the human side of the review process from the close notice that helpful in combatting that impression (correct or otherwise).
But again, I've never been revenge downvoted (to my knowledge), so I may have the wrong perspective.
 
This site is heavily moderated, has rigorous standards, and enforces them. I don't see why it is necessary to have individual people to blame (and thus take revenge upon) helps in any way.
 
It can sometimes be unclear what the gold-badge misunderstood. When I had my attempt at a canonical question closed last week, I had absolutely no idea what that user had misunderstood (at least one other experienced user in this room concurred, and assumed they had not read the post). It was only thanks to a few very helpful users here that I was able to infer what they probably found unclear.
 
10:40 PM
@CodyGray Transparency.. why do we even put the username on posts? We could all be anonymous and get our reputation even if no one knows who posted what. But we like transparency. This does with everything on the site. Why hide away what goes on here?
 
It's not even just about revenge downvoting. On a semi-regular basis, I have to deal with threats of personal harm directed at users who have done nothing more than voted to close someone's question.
 
Wow, OK, see, now that you tell it like that, I'm seeing your side of things.
 
(that said, I support this change, because I am definitely wary of revenge downvoting...and also of off-site harassment)
 
@CodyGray I've seem many posts being reopened from someone posting it on meta, so that's not really a good argument. Some of them.. even by you.
 
Again, I think that comparing this to displaying user names on posts is a straw man argument. That isn't done for transparency; that's done because I'm proud of my answer and want it to be associated with me.
@Scratte I don't see why that makes it any less of a good argument. I've almost never reopened something without editing it first myself.
In the few cases where I haven't, it's because someone else edited it in between the time it was closed and the time I voted to reopen it. Which.. is exactly how it's supposed to work.
 
M--
10:42 PM
@Dharman @akrun That post shouldn't have been deleted in my opinion. When we want to post a del-pls request here we consider some criteria like what Makyen explained in his message. Here, I don't see the post as an unnecessary or bad dupe. It definitely adds some value by offering a solution using another function. The question has been up for 17 days, and for the r-tag number of its views are not very low.
 
@CodyGray You're saying that every post that's closed due to this must go to meta? Because contacting the dupe hammer is just not a good option?
 
Though occasionally I still decide to stick my head into things...I actually had a comment conversation with a user who'd complained on meta and repeatedly flagged comments calling their post mildly spammy...and got them to productively edit their post to be less spammy.
 
There are plenty of ways to have your post reopened. Pestering another user with comments is not the answer.
 
@M-- I think the dup target should be closed as duplicate.
 
Again, the level of downright harassment that I see with that feature is just stunning, and I don't think it should exist.
 
M--
10:44 PM
@akrun while deleting some dupes is a good idea, blindly deleting them all may cause harm, so I'd avoid deleting them all
 
@M-- It's so interesting that you were the first undelete vote. Shows how much I can infer about voting.
 
@Scratte The post automatically goes into the reopen queue upon the first edit to the body. If the user can explain why it's not a dup, why would it need to go to meta (most of the time).
 
@M-- If we disagree then I say we let mods make the final decision. We have 3 in the room
 
Frankly, I probably wouldn't say no to an option to follow posts I vote on by default...I'd like to be able to retract my downvotes if they fix it, or offer further advice if they're polite. This would be much better than showing my name.
 
@M-- Yeah you are right. I won't delete a post if it is a dupe tagged. But, there are others who does regularly
 
10:45 PM
What post are you discussing, @Dharman and @M--?
 
M--
@akrun well, some of them can go. Decision should be made case by case
 
OK... that one I think may be a useful dupe target, given the keywords in the title, the way it focuses on regex, etc. I think it is appropriate to close it, but I don't see a compelling reason to delete that.
I can merge the answer into the other question, if you'd like. Or we can just leave it as is.
 
M--
@IanCampbell "It's so interesting that you were the first undelete vote". I was not the first.
 
Most likely 75% of our melt/dcast/pivot dups can be deleted, but this, I would argue is different.
 
@M-- I am only surprised that none of the votes from the delete were R users (I meant regular R user)
 
10:47 PM
Oh, I guess the timeline isn't ordered like the close vote notice is.
Today I learned.
 
You can't see delete votes in the timeline, Ian... You're one of our few members who hasn't sprouted a diamond. :-)
 
@Makyen I understand that. I just see the side where someone was little too quick with closing. It's not 3 votes, it's just one person.
 
+1 the title keyword of "nth...position" seems useful
 
@IanCampbell Even after closing all those reshape questions daily, people are still asking that.
 
M--
@CodyGray I think merging is a good idea. @akrun what do you think?
 
10:48 PM
(And, fun fact: being able to see pending delete votes in the timeline is a pretty new feature for mods. Previously, we could only see delete votes in the revision history, which required that the post actually be deleted. So, you'd see mods like me deleting stuff on Meta, only to immediately undelete it afterwards, so we could see who cast a delete vote on it.)
 
M--
@akrun Wiktor is a regular, certainly when regex is involved
 
@CodyGray Completed delete/undelete votes are public in the timeline.
 
@IanCampbell Oh, right. You can see completed delete votes. That isn't what I meant.
I guess we're talking about two different posts at once here.
 
I suspected as much, but I just wanted to clarify
 
10:49 PM
No, I'm just confused
OK, so, public delete votes are in reverse order in the timeline of when they were cast.
The person on top of the list is the person who cast the first vote.
 
Yes, which is what I learned today.
 
I see. I'm glad someone learned something.
I feel like I slept for a week last night. Way too many things to catch up on suddenly.
 
@CodyGray Dare I say: Why do you need to know who? :)
 
@Scratte Because abuse.
 
@Scratte That does certainly happen. But, isn't it better to have it reviewed by at least 3 other people, who should be impartial?
 
10:51 PM
@Scratte Delete votes on meta are frequently mistaken for "super downvotes," and moderators have been trying to cure people of that misapprehension.
 
You can also find pending delete votes on answers by tracking down a pending review task... but I like to be sneaky
Although you also have to review it or flag it as something
 
That's not the only way for delete votes to be submitted on an answer. They can be submitted outside of review.
 
@RyanM Yes. I also check the timeline when a post on meta has "gone missing" for a while. It's my way to noticing what's up with the censoring.
 
Of course, but I can't see it otherwise
I suspect I'll get to see a count of delete votes on answers at 20k
 
Yes... I thought you already were.
Shows how much I pay attention to rep.
 
10:54 PM
Well, I answered some questions today. So...
 
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@Dharman I did a quick search and couldn't find a dupe in r tag (exact dupe. there are similar questions that one can find the answer by looking at them, but not exactly the same). And we have so much more in r-tag to take care of before deleting these questions.
 
@M-- Fair enough. I can agree with that statement.
 
M--
I'd rather spend my del-vote somewhere else, like in php tag :))
 
^ I love that
 
Or the Android tag, am I right RyanM?
 
10:58 PM
@IanCampbell Delete votes outside of review are handled separately from those in review and are not visible there. If the post is deleted from review, the users who voted to delete outside of review are nor listed as participating. Their votes do not reduce the number of "delete" or "recommend delete" review responses required.
 
Oh really? Very interesting. I learned another thing today.
 
^ Interesting. Seems unnatural (the latter part).
 
If I have read a question multiple times and I still have no idea what it is asking about am I dense, drunk, or is the question unclear?
 
@IanCampbell Caaaan't wait to have delete votes... :-)
 
@Dharman Those options aren't mutually exclusive.
 
11:00 PM
@RyanM Answer some more bounty questions.
 
@Dharman s/drunk/tired/ and I've wondered that myself sometimes...
 
We need Braiam to explain the difference between soy estupido and estoy ibre (or whatever).
 
turns off daily reminder to use up the rest of my votes before 00:00UTC rolls around
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hehe
 
@IanCampbell I'm super amused that the largest bounty I've won is for an RxJava question - I barely even use RxJava, and I think a lot of the use of it as a trendy Android library is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole in Java's APIs...
 
11:03 PM
Preface: Please don't just insta-close this post. Is this on topic? stackoverflow.com/questions/62983652
 
I got it largely by reading the RxJava docs and knowing how Kotlin's single-abstract-method conversion works :D
 
I ask because people are answering it like it's totally normal.
 
@IanCampbell No. But might be if someone edits it. Do you want to be a hero today?
 
@IanCampbell Couldn't if I wanted to, I've been out of votes all day... No. I don't think Tableau questions that don't involve coding are on-topic on SO any more than general Excel questions are.
 
M--
@IanCampbell Android tag situation breaks my heart
 
11:05 PM
Oh... good point. That's not even programming. Facepalm.
Why can't we hammer it again, @Ian?
 
I mean, I thought when I voted to close yesterday it would be dispatched in short order
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
Hammer away
 
Since I see these occasionally, where are Tableau questions on-topic?
 
I want to point users to the right spot...I think it'd be webapps.SE
I'm glad that entirely content-free message of mine that I accidentally sent due to a typo cleared that misunderstanding up
 
It turns out you have to read all the words in order to get the right meaning.
I found some extra words in your original message that I had not read the first time around.
 
11:13 PM
@IanCampbell oooh....well spotted, that does seem to be where they're hiding. Maybe I'll write an MSE post to get an authoritative link with canonical info.
 
Unfortunately, I looked at the tag here. There might be a ... couple... of off topic questions.
 
Oh dear.
Some of these are really bad
 
Well, we're getting 50 more votes in 53 minutes!
 
The overwhelming majority of questions are off-topic.
I thought I'd nuke just the latest ones and clean it up, but they go on forever.
 
I suppose we could vote to migrate the new ones, but I kind of also don't want to subject CV to this stuff....
 
11:20 PM
No, no point in migrating any of this
This is just how do I use a program kind of nonsense
Most of it extremely low-effort
 
@IanCampbell You mean CV doesn't consider this on-topic? feigned shock
 
Wow
And we've got a couple of experts who answer everything in that tag, regardless of quality or topicality.
 
Just when I thought was rough.
 
Sometimes questions about writing formulae are on-topic, or at least we kinda decided to allow it for Excel. But this is far worse.
 
11:22 PM
@IanCampbell oh, we get plenty of people who mistake that tag for Android.SE, too...
 
It's interesting there are 11k watchers of Tableau but only 4k questions.
 
I wish I could query the number of times I've left my canned comment redirecting people, but I think the vast majority are (correctly) deleted.
 
Oh, but wait, at 10k you can.
 
I still can't query it, though...I'd have to look through all my comments, and there are already 1070 before I hit 10k... :-p
Only moderators can see deleted comments, right? (not to be confused with comments on deleted posts)
 
Oh, comment, I thought you were leaving it as the close reason.
 
11:27 PM
@IanCampbell ohhhhh, true, I'm also doing that...usually.
 
@RyanM Yes
 
sometimes Mike M. or a_local_nobody beat me to it. I always appreciate Mike beating me to policy questions, because then it's two clicks to close-vote them rather than dealing with getting the canned close reason :D
 
I still haven't gotten the comment user script to work on close reasons.
 
@Dharman Surely you know the answer?
 
11:31 PM
Edit the link out?
 
Search your heart.
 
If the link is edited out, what are you left with? Nothing useful. So...
 
Ok, close and delete is also a choice I have not considered
 
@Dharman Smells like a likely dupe, but not certain
 
Ok, I am going to bed then. Maybe last voting fraud flag though.
 
11:42 PM
Dangit, y'all. Someone got me nuking posts, and now I'm not getting anything else done. :-)
 
It's look good on your statistics :)
 
^^ honestly don't know what I could say to this user.
 
@Scratte Handling questions not in the queue doesn't count towards stats :P
 
@Machavity I thought I read a comment of Cody's somewhere very recently about having a high close statistic partly due to SOCVR. I do not think any deletions were mentioned, but I just assumed..
 
@Machavity There are lots of stats in the queue. Note the "closed questions" stat there. Your number is pretty high already, despite having just become a moderator, because you closed lots of questions before becoming a moderator.
All those other stats (comments, closed questions, deleted posts, votes, etc.) will increment even for actions taken outside of the mod queue. Only flags handled requires you to, um, handle flags.
The thing is, nobody cares about the stats. :-)
 
11:50 PM
Ah, TIL
 
@CodyGray but but... mah graphs!
You know that the number one excuse for any project is to get nifty graphs.
 
We don't even get graphs. Just tables.
 
We call them "visuals" ;)
 
The table takes so long to load... I can't even imagine if it was going to try and render JS graphs...
 
I doubt the heavy load is loading the tables, but crunching the numbers server side.
 
11:54 PM
Yeah, exactly. It's the SQL queries that take forever.
 
I hadn't clicked on All. That's why. Of course, the page is indeed so slow I didn't want to sit and wait either
 
Yup. Week and month are about the only ones I'd ever have patience for.
All sometimes doesn't even work. We have to poke Taryn to get it fixed occasionally. When we notice.
 
I wonder, if you navigate away from the tab, do the sql server knows?
 
Not likely..
 
ie. is the query canceled since the client doesn't need the results anymore.
 
11:56 PM
If you navigate away it might abort the request. I don't know how that works. Definitely you can just open the tab and then go open a new one to do something else.
 
If I were to saw about Stack "Edits don't make a difference after down & close votes start piling on," would you all tend to agree or disagree? I believe this to be a self-perpetuating problem as people tend to approach it from the point of view of being hostile to confronting their own biases, however present. I have a few posts exemplifying this. IMO it's the worst thing about the site, which I love in general.
 
@xendi Very much disagree.
I see plenty of questions in here where closure is requested, but the post has been edited since, so it doesn't get closed. And others where it's been edited, and is thus reopened.
 
@CodyGray meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/399664/… . When I first starting making edits, there were 2 downvotes and 0 close votes. Now though, the downvotes and 2 close votes will remain. It might even get closed despite being completely rewritten.
 
Edits never erase downvotes. You only get one chance to make a good first impression.
 
A similar problem happened here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/399666/… where I made a big edit seconds before it was closed.
 
11:59 PM
However, if the edits actually fixed the problem(s) that people had that were leading them to vote to close, then it won't get closed.
 
Oh, meta... yeah, meta is more stringent about posts.
 
Often, though, people operate under the misconception that because they edited, the question shouldn't get closed anymore. But that's not the case: if the edits don't fix the core problem(s), then the post still gets closed.
 

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