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@10Rep that comments section is a tire fire
 
Whoa... did not see that.
 
yeah, it mostly exploded after you posted it I think
 
@RyanM What happened anyways? That guy seemed to be angry, and I don't see why.
 
@10Rep they were asked a slightly redundant question due to a misreading of the question, and decided that exploding at the person who asked it and saying they hate stack exchange was the correct solution
 
9:19 PM
Take a look at the comment section now.
I don't get his problem, really
 
@RyanM @10Rep Please hold off on further discussion of the specific user/question. If you sense there's inappropriate behavior that needs addressing, feel free to mod flag it. However, we try to avoid targeted discussion of users as a policy here.
 
Yeah, I'm not saying anything
I just flagged the question and asked a mod to delete them all
 
@TylerH Apologies, I was trying to stick to the content of the question, which included the comments section attempting to clarify things. I didn't look at the user beyond the specific interactions that occurred on this specific question. At what point should we stop discussing a question?
 
@RyanM When a mod deletes the inappropriate comments once, and then 10 more show up... ;-)
 
@RyanM @10Rep No worries, just noticed the conversation happening here straying close to discussion about a specific user.
 
9:26 PM
@RyanM When chat messages like this start popping up: "That guy seemed to be angry"
 
@CodyGray Did you delete them?
 
It's time to stop, drop and move on.
 
@10Rep Both times, yes.
 
(This is not a comment about an author). That question has two conflicting notices - "Comments on this question have been disabled, but it is still accepting new answers and other interactions" and then "Closed. This question needs details or clarity. It is not currently accepting answers".
 
Yep, I have have in fact moved on :-)
 
9:26 PM
@halfer "Go away" was deemed too short.
 
I wonder if that needs posting on Meta as a bug?
Heh
 
Personally I consider multiple close reasons displaying on the banner to be a feature, not a bug.
 
halfer is talking about a comment-lock notice
 
Yeah, you just said what I was about to say.
 
I suspect the number of questions that have that type of lock is so small that it's not worth the effort
 
9:27 PM
@TylerH That's not two close reasons though
 
@IanCampbell This.
 
One says "it's open" and the other one says "it's closed".
@IanCampbell Yeah, you're probably right
 
The lock there is only temporary anyway. Check back tomorrow, and you won't be able to repro.
 
@halfer ah
 
nope, never mind. close, but no banana.
 
9:29 PM
Can you change the dup target list of a question under comment lock? Very important question, comes up a lot.
 
@IanCampbell Yes
 
@IanCampbell I can't flag it as dupe for some reason.
 
The only thing a comment lock does is prevent comment activity
 
Yeah, comment locks are a new feature. They only restrict commenting, nothing else.
 
9:30 PM
assuming you have a gold badge in the tag, or are a moderator
 
@TylerH True, but the key message conflicts with a later one, possibly causing confusion
I iz thinkin of da noobz ere
 
@TylerH Thanks
 
If the question is about that specific question where there might be two conflicting locks on it or some bug in the status, then all bets are off. I only how the system is supposed to work :-)
 
@10Rep FWIW, if you were trying to use the dupe I edited out of my message: I don't think that dupe is correct, because it will restart the runtime automatically
and I think that's not what was wanted
 
No I am using the other one.
 
9:32 PM
The other one isn't closed as a duplicate...
 
I think.. perhaps a mod flag about a rollback war is about to go up.
 
I don't think it's a dupe. I also don't think it's possible to programmatically terminate an instance without it auto-restarting, short of browser automation, but I don't know Colab well enough to be confident.
 
@RyanM I don't know what colab even is :)
 
It's like Jupyter Notebook, but as a managed service from Google
 
Why is it "colab", instead of "collab"?
 
9:35 PM
It's short for CoLaboratory
 
That is not a thing that exists
 
I thought it was a mispelling
on purpose
 
It's a collaborative laboratory - a portmanteau
 
or perhaps they could only enter so many characters in the name section of "Creating a company"
 
9:37 PM
@10Rep Ah, like "googol". Makes sense.
 
It's a collaborative laboratory gimmick? Sorry, I turned my cynical dial up too high.
 
@Dharman How did breakfast come into the comments section for that question?
 
@10Rep I don't know. I have a feeling these two users are friends
or maybe there are some deleted comments
 
They noticed you loading the page and deleted themselves.
 
They just deleted the question, what even happened?
 
9:41 PM
someone seems to have helped them along halfway through me NLN-flagging half that comment section...
 
You can never trust them.
 
Cody likes removing PHP questions
 
That reminds me. I still have plenty of delete votes
 
@TylerH I mean the word, "colaboratory"
 
9:42 PM
I need a userscript that will queue up NLN flags and send one every five seconds
 
@Dharman Let me go review it in the LQ review queue
 
Quite a lot of my use of that flag is "I have read this entire comments section and based on that reading, these 3-5 comments are NLN"
 
I'll write a user script that posts a comment every five seconds :) Want to team up? :D
 
I'll write a user script to.... wait, I can't write a user script :(
 
@Scratte perfect, I'll get hundreds of helpful flags, and you'll get suspended :-p
 
9:44 PM
@Dharman You're confusing me with someone else
 
@Scratte you actually can't, though: the limit is 3 per thirty seconds
 
But.. it'll be Thanks-comments all the way. I promise :)
 
So 1 per 10 seconds, right?
 
@CodyGray no one said that tho. Ryan said CoLaboratory, a proper noun and the name of a Google product
Although technically it looks like Google says "Colaboratory"
 
The assumption was that it was named after "collaboration"
 
9:47 PM
Oh, they even redirect users looking for help to ask a question on SO tagged with
 
"collaboratory" is also a word, confusingly.
 
It looks exactly like Google Docs. I'm surprised to see that level of design consistency.
 
Wow, I didn't know Wikipedia expands!
 
@10Rep Quick.. edit out the one-box :)
 
9:49 PM
I'm going to stick with my trademark explanation.
 
@CodyGray I'm pretty sure it's built on top of Google Docs/Drive
 
@Scratte Have no idea how to :)
 
(speculation based on UI/API, not internal knowledge)
 
Next time add . before your link. Or any other visible text.
 
for instance, if you want your notebook to read files, you stick 'em in Drive
 
9:49 PM
@IanCampbell Done.
 
Nailed it!
 
Just use the standard Markdown formatting for links...
 
@akrun The question seems fine to me.
 
Everybody and their stupid configurable dark theme.
 
@CodyGray You mean the []()?
 
9:51 PM
@10Rep it is only a code only question with no example
 
@Scratte Yes
 
@CodyGray whistles
 
@Scratte That thing that looks like the overhead view of a toilet, of course.
 
@akrun Yeah, I figured it out.
 
Argghh!.. I cannot unknow that. It'll always be a toilet now :)
 
9:53 PM
Enlightenment comes in fits and starts
 
[stackoverflow](https://stackoverflow.com)
That doesn't look like a toilet :D
@IanCampbell I mean, the code in his answer should give output, it would just make his answer a little better.
 
Yeah, you aren't supposed to put stuff into the tank in the toilet
 
Uh oh... I better go fish out my clorox tab.
 
me contemplating why I am discussing toilets on SOCVR
 
On the topic: What is your opinion about this? stackoverflow.com/q/47805170/1839439
 
9:56 PM
Wow, way to bring us back on topic.
 
Firstly, thanks :D. Shouldn't that be on SuperUser?
 
@Dharman Close, historical lock
 
Exactly my thought, but we can't migrate that
@IanCampbell Does it have any value for historical lock?
 
It's been viewed 54k times, I'd say people have spoken.
The glasses have spoken.
 
I was convinced
I could be unconvinced
 
10:00 PM
@CodyGray Well, it's not on topic, and it wasn't that long ago.
Why the historical lock?
 
Look at the timeline of the accepted answer, people upvote it. They appreciate the content. It's a signpost on google.
 
How long ago does it need to be in order to be considered history?
 
Well, it doesn't seem significant to me.
It seems like a question that should have been migrated as soon as it was asked.
 
Now that I can agree with for sure.
 
@10Rep Yeah, but if you think it should have been migrated when it was originally asked the it means you think it is a good question. So historical lock makes sense. If you said that the question should have been closed as off-topic and deleted when it was asked, then you could argue it should also be deleted now.
 
10:03 PM
@Dharman I am not denying that it is a good question.
Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of historical lock.
 
Well, features are like the a constitution, you interpret them however feels right in the moment. =P
 
When off-topic questions are closed, they are eventually deleted. A historical lock is an alternative to deletion that preserves the contents of the Q&A, even though it is actually off-topic for the site.
 
The way I understand HL is "This post does not belong on Stack Overflow, but people found it useful and answers contain some valuable information. Let's not delete it"
 
right
 
Ok got it.
 
10:04 PM
"This is part of our unique history, and we want to save and preserve it forever."
 
Yeah, after all, it got a lot of votes, and would be unfair to the people who answered it if it got deleted.
 
Not really. Fairness doesn't come into play here.
 
Not sure that's how it's suppose to work. It would not be right for all of those what could make use of the information in the future, to remove it :)
 
@CodyGray But it would definitely make them unhappy.
 
10:06 PM
I live to make people unhappy.
 
@IanCampbell All that has been posted is a program description. However, we need you to ask a question according to the [ask] page. We can't be sure what you want from us. Please [edit] your post to include a valid question that we can answer. Reminder: make sure you know what is on-topic here by visiting the [help/on-topic]; asking us to write the program for you, suggestions, and external links are off-topic.
Use standard comments
 
@IanCampbell I would probably take out the first part.
 
@IanCampbell I'm good with it. It's not a personal attack.
 
@Dharman I didn't write it
 
But it doesn't seem rude.
 
10:08 PM
But yeah, it could be reworded to improve it. Probably don't copy-paste it elsewhere.
 
It's true.. and it's not offensive.
 
Ohh ok. I don't usually look at usernames so I assumed it was you
 
I'm exceedingly nice in comments. But thanks for thinking of me.
 
@Dharman Are you sure that's general computing? It looks like it might be related to programming to me. Not entirely sure.
 
@Dharman It's not about general computing. There are modules to display the date within python and java.
 
10:10 PM
@10Rep That makes sense. It isn't tagged with any language though
I retract my CV
 
@Dharman it's tagged with java
 
@10Rep Are we talking about the same question?
 
It doesn't appear to be tagged with Java. But not everything has to be about a programming language. SDKs, etc. are on-topic here. That one is borderline, but I don't have the domain expertise to make the call.
 
I'm talking about this
 
And Cody and I were talking about Hololens
 
10:13 PM
@10Rep You know you can just rollback. You don't need to edit every time, right? :)
 
@Scratte I know what a rollback is, what post are you talking about?
 
@10Rep Your edit war.. :) Not posting a link! :)
 
Ok, can you help me with more borderline questions please? What about stackoverflow.com/q/62912708/1839439
 
Oh yeah :D. There are so many revisions I just thought it was easier to do it my way.
 
10:15 PM
@Dharman Well, it belongs somewhere else, in my opinion
 
@Dharman Yes, but it might be too broad.
 
Does an auto-flag get raised on normal edits, or does it need to be rollbacks to trigger?
 
@Dharman I think it needs to have a language tag to avoid being too broad
 
@Scratte Why would a normal edit raise an auto-flag?
 
10:16 PM
If two users keep editing the same post continuously..
 
Oh, maybe. Not sure.
 
Well, I'm just removing the extra stuff he wrote.
 
What is one user keep rolling back and the other one just edits?
 
Personally, I prefer not to give out too many details about which circumstances lead to auto-flags, because that allows people to game around them.
Although I know a lot of these are described on MSE in more detail than I would like.
 
Ahh.. ok.
 
10:18 PM
And then, in this case, I'm genuinely not sure. It's just not something I need to know.
 
And yet Jon goes around blabbing about the camera control....
 
@Scratte It's not really a war, I just want to keep the question unrude.
 
@10Rep Well.. maybe you need to raise a custom flag then.
 
If you make an edit, then it gets rolled back or otherwise reinstated, you really need to raise a moderator flag. Don't just keep fighting about it.
 
Done.
 
10:19 PM
@10Rep It's called a war when edits are conflicting and go back and forth :)
 
I wonder if a post can stop being edited by anyone.
That can happen, right?
 
The only way to stop edits is to lock a post. That must be done by a moderator.
 
I just put a custom flag.
 
It'll be handled in 6-8.. :)
 
10:22 PM
@IanCampbell Didn't you have that same problem yesterday?
 
What happens when you reach 1000?
 
I knew I wasn't going to make it, but now it's so close I can almost taste it
You get a fancy gold badge.
 
@IanCampbell Wow!!
@CodyGray Please do something about this:stackoverflow.com/questions/62943386/…
 
@10Rep Uh, what?
 
Take a look at the question, and you'll understand.
 
10:24 PM
@IanCampbell I like to keep mine clean :D
 
@10Rep Also take a look at socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-mod-ping
 
@10Rep You edited the message after I read it. It's handled now.
 
@IanCampbell Sorry, I won't do it in the future.
 
I had already messaged the user about rudeness. Obviously it didn't work.
(We can talk about the user now, because there is no user. Isn't that a fun little loophole to the rules?!)
 
@10Rep For future when a situation gets heated, mod flag and walk away.
 
10:27 PM
Yeah, I did that. But then he actually mentioned me, so I pinged a mod.
 
Hey, at least you didn't get called a molecular biologist.
@10Rep Now that I see everything in context, you were probably in the right. Sorry
 
No problem, question got deleted.
Lets move on.
 
@10Rep I'm not sure I agree with your edit in: stackoverflow.com/questions/62930792/…
The first line is not part of the SQL
 
Yeah.. I saw that.
 
..and you edited it one minute after it was closed, so you probably just pushed it into the reopen queue.
 
10:33 PM
@Scratte Ok, I have a question, what is even that post?
 
0-1
Why is it just code
 
Not sure I agree with your edit either. I was easier to read the query with indentation of the OVER..
I don't understand that style..
 
@Scratte Easier to read? What? There is no question
 
@Scratte I really don't think it matters. That post is not answerable, and will probably be deleted anytime soon.
 
Yes, it missed its chance at getting reopened.
There is no point in making trivial edits to closed questions when you can't actually fix any of the problems with them.
 
10:36 PM
@Dharman That is a seperate issue. I just think the query is harder to read now when I have to look at every line to see where the select starts.
 
@Scratte I mean we can talk about the shed, but...
 
Barn red
:49948178 Repost of already closed question.
 
I agree that there is nothing to be done for that Question :) That wasn't my point though. When I see a SQL that's hard to read on a Question, it puts me off. I don't want to answer it..
 
I don't know, the close edit reopen data seem to suggest that having a community member edit a question for minor typographical errors before the OP makes another edit may be helpful.
 
Small things can eventually add up :)
 
10:38 PM
@IanCampbell Not if it costs the question its one chance at the reopen queue... What data are you referring to?
 
Basically, I tried to say that the SQL was better with indentation.
 
I like indentation.
2
 
Why is it a problem if the question appears in the big box?
 
It's considered too noisy for a serious room like this.
 
10:40 PM
Ok.
 
It makes it harder to scan through the transcript, which is essential in a room like this. See: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-oneboxes
 
Also.. it probably the easiest way to avoid animated gifs
 
The easiest way to avoid animated GIFs is a suspension
 
@CodyGray You mean hard delete?
 
Suspended animation?
 
10:42 PM
Gotta tackle problems at the source
@Dharman Leave some to handle after your election? :-p
 
@CodyGray I am only 300 down from that one list. And I have few more piled up.
 
Gah, that one hits close to home, I actually made a double quote error today
I believe questions about IDEs are on topic for SO.
 
Yes, but I have a feeling it's a problem with his computer.
 
11:09 PM
@CodyGray if I want all the comments on an answer deleted because the problems they're discussing have been fixed in the answer, is it best to cast a single custom flag on one comment, no-longer-needed flags on every comment, or something else?
 
@RyanM Good question!
It’s been asked before. There’s no real consensus.
In that situation where there are multiple, otherwise-reasonable comments, I personally prefer a custom flag on the post with an explanation of why the comments are obsolete.
 
I assume that's preferred because comment flags are designed for "this single comment should be deleted"?
 
Yeah. Also because it’s not obvious sometimes why that group of otherwise useful looking comments should be deleted. The custom flag allows you to give an explanation.
rene raises custom flags on the post like this.
There are worse people to emulate.
 
I meant doing it on the post rather than a comment specifically
I assume it makes your workflow slightly easier
 
Yes, I know that
Some mods don’t like this, though. They’d tell you to just raise flags on each individual comment.
I find this irritating for a variety of reasons.
 
11:18 PM
Sorry, I'm explaining badly. You said " The custom flag allows you to give an explanation" but I could also explain in a custom comment flag.
 
Yeah. I’m typing on a phone, so I’m being terse.
 
Fair
Yeah, I'd rather not make y'all try to figure out why I flagged all the comments as NLN if it's not immediately obvious.
 
@CodyGray Does this mean that there's noway to win, really? One will decline it while another will handle it as helpful?
 
We have a single button to erase all comments. If they truly all need to be purged, that’s easier. But if you flag individual ones, I need to bookkeep each one, because I’m persnickety about not accidentally deleting useful comments.
@Scratte That’s true with all flags, no?
 
@CodyGray It really shouldn't be.. I think it's unreasonable to have conflicting guidelines
 
11:22 PM
Feature Request: Can we have a 1st-2nd-3rd preference indicator on which mods we'd like to handle our flags? xD
... individual flags, that is!
 
@AdrianMole <bad-advice>Just list it at the start of the flag, in all caps: THIS FLAG IS FOR CODY GRAY NO ONE ELSE DECLINE IT PLS</bad-advice>
 
Yeah. That’s what you’d need. That or robots handling flags.
 
I was certainly confusing to me when my custom flags on plagiarism on posts were decline because their were Questions.
 
hehe Roll out the mod-bots.
 
@RyanM That...might work.
 
11:24 PM
"Please do not handle this flag! I will handle it myself when I get elected."
 
@Scratte Questions can be plagiarized, too...
 
@CodyGray There is no consensus.. so not really.
 
"Ce n'est pas un drapeau"
 
@RyanM I also like think that phrasing is ideal, because it means I can decline the flag.
@Scratte Yes there is...
There’s a a consensus on plagiarism.
Some mod either misclicked or misunderstood.
Or you were wrong.
 
@Scratte Yeah, I'm curious...I can't imagine any mod declining plagiarism because it's in a question. Want to link it?
(I don't think that breaks any room rules...)
 
11:27 PM
@CodyGray There chose to not come forward and not answer my Question then. As a result I have never flag on this bases again.
 
[prove-mod-wrong-pls]
@Scratte I upvoted that. Forgot what the context was.
 
@RyanM You don't have to imagine..
 
Well, huh. That's...pretty straightforward. And is flat-out wrong, as far as I understand it.
 
The thing about this non-consensus is that it effects behavior. It certainly effected mine to the point that I do not raise custom flags.. at all!
 
I guess you drew a confused mod
 
11:30 PM
The fact that it was left unanswered (the answer doesn't really count), absolutely didn't help.
 
I also upvoted and agreed with Alexei’s comment, as is typical.
I don’t know how to solve the larger problem. Some mods get it wrong. And some mods just disagree. (See recent discussion on Meta.)
 
Disagreeing is fine.. within the group. Not when addressing things outside the group.
 
Flags aren’t handled by committee
 
Plagiarism in questions is bad, because by claiming it as your own you claim to license it under SO's terms, which, by my understanding of copyright law, would not be an issue if you were simply "quoting" the code for reference.
 
If they were, no one would ever have a flag handled ever again.
 
11:34 PM
That's not what I mean. I mean find some agreement by democracy or something.
 
I don’t know how that would work
 
Like the flag a post or all comments, which is OK?
 
They’re both OK. But you’ll get different mods telling you they prefer different things.
 
@RyanM I've seen it many times since I posted that. But I just don't flag it.
 
The real problem is the same as with downvotes: people losing their minds and getting irrational over a declined flag.
 
11:36 PM
send them to me, I'll flag 'em.
 
@AdrianMole If prosecutors can go judge shopping, how come I can't go mod shopping?
 
and I will downvote them
 
If that didn’t happen, then having a few declined flags from mods who got it wrong wouldn’t be a big deal.
 
@IanCampbell elections are basically mod shopping by committee
I've got checks two plagiarism flags pending, I'd be happy to have more :D
 
@CodyGray It depends how you see it. I see it as my time wasted. Why should I spend 20 minutes on something for that type of response?
 
11:38 PM
cough cough This question on SF meta.serverfault.com/a/1931/180142 cough cough
 
@RyanM Heh. Do you also want the long list of identical answers to different questions? :)
 
@IanCampbell They can’t do that...
 
Never happened ever.
 
@Scratte You shouldn’t spend 20 minutes to raise a flag. Maybe 2 at the most.
 
I wonder if the hospital would get mad at me for using the cluster to create a plagiarism map of SO on the off hours.
 
11:41 PM
@Scratte I mean, I wouldn't say no to a map of where all the bad content is. It'd save me the trouble of finding it myself :-p
 
@CodyGray I had to check first. It takes me more than 2 minutes to compare, get the link right. Find the words..
 
I really should go to bed. I've got nothing left except post flags.
 
I also spend about 5 minutes on a post in review. I admire people that do it faster - provided they do it right!
 
You're out of comment flags? Impressive
 
@IanCampbell Those are easiest to burn through
 
11:43 PM
@IanCampbell Call it interdisciplinary research.
 
@Dharman Smokey is here to help with your lack of posts to flag
 
@RyanM I used to keep a file of all the very bad stuff.. but since I knew I was never going to flag it anyway, I sort of deleted it about 6 weeks ago.
 
Good Smokey
 
@RyanM I could easily use up the remaining 20 flags, but I am too tired.
 
If mods spent more than a couple of minutes on most flags… there’d never be any flags handled.
I guess that’s why we have to have elections, looking for people who are efficient.
 
11:46 PM
@IanCampbell If you want to flag comments there you go: stackoverflow.com/a/62941049/1839439
 
@RyanM Here's one recent one.
 
Can't even use one flag around here....
 
@Scratte I'm so confused by that post. The title has nothing to do with the content...
 
That’s a totally valid plagiarism flag...
 
@RyanM They do not know what the code is doing :) They just copied it..
 
11:50 PM
You definitely just drew a mod who didn’t know what was up or wasn’t paying attention.
 
@CodyGray And didn't care to come forward and explain.. so here we are.
But when you read the declined message, there's no mistaken it.
 
I feel like you're trying to hold moderators up to too high a standard. They are only people. They are trying to do what's best for the site (usually).
 
Not every mod reads Meta regularly
 
I know we're all just people. Maybe I'm unreasonable in thinking that the standard should be higher. But.. they nuke posts and profiles, so I'd rather a higher standard.
 
We sometimes ping them about Meta posts that are about them, but I didn’t there.
I guess that’s on me. I was busy with my own rat-killing, and didn’t have time or interest in running down others’ mistakes.
 
11:57 PM
I was told that such a thing was very unlikely to happen recently even :)
 
To be fair regarding the higher standard, it’s better to err on the side of not nuking. Consistency is not the same thing as a high standard.
@Scratte Eh. Not going to touch that
 

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