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21:00
In Dharman's defence, HTH is in the Cambridge Dictionary
We can blame me for the extra I
more biscuits
Yes yes, colour me educated
@Scratte I saw your slightly later message about what your parents told you as a child, but didn't really connect them. I did see that they were connected, but just not how closely. I guess I was focusing too much on the technicalities, and that there's caffeine in chocolate, which I thought was the connection you were making with chocolate being bad for dogs.
Hmm.. want a new kitchen? Go with HTH. I've seen too many advertisements for that to have it ingrained in me :D
@IanCampbell I really think there should be a "Reject " reason in the edit queue for those who 'correct' spelling from British to US, or vice versa.
21:04
We use no improvement or conflicts with author's ...
@AdrianMole It's called "No improuvement improvement whatsoever"
@Makyen No worries :) I learned that there's noway I can die from having too much chocolate :)
@IanCampbell TLA?!
@Dharman Yeah, bit I like to leave a comment: those reasons don't allow an (easy) comment. Only "causes harm" has that, which is a bit harsh.
@AdrianMole As I understand it, "Causes harm" is just "I want to enter a custom reject reason"
21:05
^ I spelt that conjunction the Welsh way, BTW.
I think I've only come across it once and I used no improvement whatsoever.
@RyanM I see it as a somewhat stronger message.
@Scratte Well... you could. If you're eating high theobromine content chocolate, it takes a lot less than I expected. OTOH, you can die from too much of anything. :;
@AdrianMole Not sure I understand why you want to delete a Question that's had more than 259K views.
Well, the LD50 of H20 is only 90g/kg.
21:07
If there's something else to be done, then I will "Reject and Edit" or "Improve.." and leave my comment about how to spell "behaviour" in there.
What's the LD50 of romantic affairs?
I bet you could survive 2kg/kg. Maybe even 5kg/kg.
@john: That depends on the strength and lethality of the spouse
@Scratte Votes and Views don't mean anything. Off-topic is off-topic.
@IanCampbell If you are swimming in it
21:09
Assume randomly selected geographically compatible spouse
That makes theobromine only 90 times more lethal than water.
@Makyen It's still 1g per kg bodyweight of the pure stuff! :)
... if anything, the vote/view count is more reason to delete. But that conversation has passed.
@AdrianMole But it has some decent answers
Another reason to delete. Decent answers to off-topic questions make the site look like what it's not supposed to be.
Off-topics should not be answered.
21:12
Ok.. I don't agree with that. I agree for new Questions, but it doesn't make the world better to remove content that's proven to have helped people.
@Scratte You know about the infamous deleted Jon Skeet answer, I guess.
The one letter program is not the same thing
It's equally off-topic.
It's still not the same thing. Nobody came to that answer because they had an issue and was trying to find a solution
aaarrrghhhh why do we have a tag...
21:15
@Scratte Like I said before, I can see both sides of the argument. It's not WW3 - a valid debate.
@RyanM For programs that uses legacy-code of course, like 0s and 1s in sequence ;)
@Scratte Make it a Meta.
@Scratte No, the tag wiki clearly states it's for code without tests. Unfortunately, I don't have time to add it to 99% of the questions on the site...
... and give me a chance to offer you a Dharman-Style™ vote. ;-P
@AdrianMole I'd really rather not. It would make sense once it's deleted, but not now.. and I see a moderator have edited an answer on the post :D
21:17
@Ryan I'm looking forward to your catchy burniation request title.
@IanCampbell already dreaming one up
Let's delete the legacy of legacy-code
Let's not have [legacy-code] be our legacy
See, this is why you are better at this than me.
Let's just delete all code.
21:18
@AdrianMole That's not helping. It really does make me sad when stuff here is deleted just because the current help-center says the Question isn't ok.
@Scratte That's really not that much, of the pure stuff. OTOH, it is enough that you should definitely notice you're consuming it. If the cocao being used is at the top end of % theobromine at 10%, and you're eating 60% cocao dark chocolate, that's 1.65kg (3.6lb) of that chocolate to get to the LD50 value for a 100kg (220lb) human. While that is a lot of chocolate, it's definitely something that could be done.
For all we know all the Answers we provide today could be removed if someone just temporarily changes the rules for a while in 2022.. and then what?
@Scratte OK. I understand that different people will have different views. If you found my flippant remark offensive, I apologize.
I think I'm with Scratte here. There are clearly answers that have value and that people have found helpful. It should definitely stay closed, though.
@Scratte I'm honestly surprised more of the terrible answers I've made aren't deleted.
21:23
@Makyen I guess it is possible. I just have the experience that the more pure and dark the chocolate is, the less I need to have for me to feel like I've had enough :) There's just noway I could even get through 500g of it. I can't even get through 100g of it in an evening :)
@AdrianMole No, it's not your remark at all. It's the deleting that makes me sad.
@Scratte np. Then let's agree to differ as friends. :)
@IanCampbell Heh.. they're upvoted instead? :)
... but I'm always willing to be converted to the 'other side' - in any argument.
Can a question be closed as a duplicate if the duplicate doesn't have an answer marked?
@Makyen All the best for the elections.
21:27
@BhargavRao Thank you.
If you win it might be a comeback for Trogdor. Tried to ping you over at SOBotics, but I guess you've also moved over from there ;)
@AdrianMole Would the fact that it comes up 4th in a duckduckgo search help? :) "node js sending emails"
@Makyen @Scratte Just remember that the half life of theobromine is only 6-10 hours in humans. So you have to be stuffing your face pretty fast.
@ChristopherMoore Didn't we already have this? It can be closed as a dupe of an unanswered question if that is asked by the same user.
@IanCampbell Sounds expensive :D
21:28
@AdrianMole The question is answered, but the OP didn't accept one.
@BhargavRao Yeah, I really haven't participated much in SOBotics. I should, though.
@ChristopherMoore OK. Not sure.
... but probably.
If Mak and Mach win, it'd be really good for Trogdor project.
If Mak and Mach win, it'd be really good for Stack Overflow.
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I might perhaps consider getting back to being more active on tags front, at least.
21:30
^ Fixed that for you
"Mak 'n' Mach - the Moderator Muchachos?"
I really hope I get the third place.
They'll just call you up.
@Dharman Why not the first?
First one is reserved for Makyen
21:32
@IanCampbell Thanks. I hadn't looked up the half-life, even though I'd put it on the list of things to do a couple of times. It's really good to know.
@Dharman Yes ok, I agree with you.
@Dharman Thanks, although it's an election, so you never know. :;
@Makyen You put it on the list to see if you could keep up a concentration by continuously eating it, or just to find the information on it? :D
@BhargavRao That would be good, as long as it doesn't take you away from other things you feel are more important.
Is there such a thing as people campaigning for their favorite candidates as in real elections? If so, how does one do that? I can ask in the election channel if this is getting uncomfortable / CoI-y
21:34
@BhargavRao Sorry to butt in, but did anything happen yet with all those Chinese Spam accounts?
I can promise that if I get elected I will stop flagging sock-puppets
^ That's not a promise, its a threat!
@IanCampbell Before the election even began I had thought of renaming myself to VoteMakyen, but since I didn't know if Makyen would run, I found it too weird.
@Scratte A little of both. But mostly to be able to know if I should be concerned for some of the people I know who eat a lot of chocolate. Admittedly, of the people I know, I've probably purchased the most chocolate at a single time (excluding anyone purchasing it for commercial use).
@AdrianMole yeah, the CMs are looking at it.
21:36
Cool! It was starting to 'poison' the SOBotics chat.
Yeah, I'm getting a little tired of the notifications about 50,000 new autobiographer badges.
... making it even harder to get NAA flags in before you delete them.
(Take it as a compliment.)
Let's leave it for a couple of days. If it gets annoying, we can turn it off
21:37
@Makyen But I would expect one to feel pretty bad for a while before reaching the limit.
@AdrianMole Heh, thanks. I usually wasn't that active, but seeing Mak run gave me a bit of hope, so jumped on.
Heck, the knowledge that Mak is running has made me more active and interested than anything else the past 6 months.
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^ not trying to put any pressure on Makyen, of course :D
@BhargavRao +1 for sure. Probably +INT_MAX.
It is pressure on the community to vote.
Couldn't agree more. How do we turn our enthusiasm into sure support from the broader community?
21:40
@BhargavRao But it's also emotional pressure of not failing those with expectations, no?
There isn't a way, I usually stick around in the election chat and sway people to vote for our candidates.
@Scratte I'd expect so, but for those that like very dark chocolate, it can be a fairly low number, particularly for a smaller person.
@BhargavRao You have been very very active. I have few thousand flags handled by you.
Has there ever been a previous campaign like Scratte suggested, changing usernames for example? Do we think there would be backlash?
21:41
My local store has started selling really cool Lindt chocolate. There's a 75% cocoa, and 85% cocoa and a 90%. The 90% was a bit heavy, for me, I have to admit. But the 85% goes really well with a good Shiraz.
@Makyen I always go for >70%. But at least I'm not a cat :)
@BhargavRao If I'd known my nominating would have that effect, it would have swayed me to do so earlier.
@Scratte when you've seen a person over 3 years, you can say whether they'd meet or fail the expectations. (Mind you, I was a regular at SOCVR almost 2 years before Makyen, and have been following the room ever since ;) ...)
^ And Cody expressed "concerns" about SOCVR in his nomination, and is now our "Most Beloved" lurking blue-person.
@BhargavRao Hmm.. so you're the lurker? :D
21:44
@AdrianMole though competition is surely welcome ;-)
@Dharman I used to put a lot of work into handling flags, spend hours together. Now I'm sticking to 30 mins (the amount which SO asks mods to do). The reason that you feel that I've been active is because, I've been handling a lot of NAAs (some 200~ of them daily)
Sure. I'm not trying to suggest that any of the blue-people are in any way not Beloved.
@Makyen Everybody asked you to nominate though, so it's not like we didn't hint at it :)
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Q: Let's not have [legacy-code] be our legacy

Ryan Mlegacy-code has 427 questions, 53 watchers, and the following tag wiki: Originally legacy code meant code 'inherited' from authors or from a previous program/system version. Since Michael Feathers published his "Working Effectively with Legacy Code" book, new definition came to be, where code wi...

@Makyen Hah, thanks, but I kinda didn't want to push you. ;)
21:46
@Scratte I usually prefer more in the 60% range, although I rarely consume some. I still like some of the ones I've tried that are well above that percentage. OTOH, I haven't really liked any when they get to the >=90% range, or so.
@BhargavRao I don't think that, even as a mod, you could know, but yours was the first mod name I came across on a deleted post: almost the instant I gained 10K rep. I clicked on a post in the Natty chatroom and - Wow! - saw the pink post in real life. I shall ever hold you dear in my heart, for that.
@BhargavRao Thank you. I appreciate that.
... that was how I realized I had crossed the threshold.
@AdrianMole Remember when Cody used to hate chat? Pepperidge farm remembers.
21:47
@AdrianMole lol, thanks.
@Scratte True, but I didn't understand that it would be motivating.
@Makyen Me either. I go for 75% usually. Else it's just too intense. But I prefer to not have it much lower. Despite that I do like the flavour of milk chocolate, I'm not a fan of all the sugar.
@BhargavRao Cody has a script (I think Sam wrote it for him) that erase my memory of his remarks at 01:00 UTC every day.
I wish there was such a script, lol.
{think: how many mods can one annoy/flatter/pester in one day and not get kicked}
21:50
Anyway, I think I should be heading to bed. This WFH stuff has completely killed my sleep schedule (3:20AM here :D)
Cya \o
@Makyen Such things always are, because leaders inspire, no? If nobody liked the moderators, then there'd soon be chaos.
@Scratte Past childhood, when I really didn't know better :), I'm not really a fan of milk chocolate. I'll eat it in some things, but I always fee something is missing. I've even been known to mix in extra cacao to things that are in the milk chocolate range. :)
@BhargavRao Good night. It's been good to hear from you. Get some good sleep.
@Scratte True. Good points.
@Makyen So, you have your coffee black as well?
@Scratte I've never been a fan of coffee, but, yes, when I have it, I have it black.
21:57
@Makyen Not a fan of coffee?!? That's so foreign to me :D
What is your position on pineapple on pizza? :)
I don't drink coffee either, mostly. When I do, I prefer cold brew or espresso-based drinks.
@Makyen You just lost my vote
Joking of course :D
@Scratte Not my favorite thing on pizza, but I've eaten it, and like pineapple in general. I've definitely seen worse things on pizza.
@Makyen Like what? :)
@Scratte Peanut butter and jelly.
22:02
@Makyen That has got to be an american thing.. really doesn't sound nice. Though I could imagine a fruitpizza as a nice desert :)
@Scratte I've really only seen it once as something you could order in a pizza joint, and it was a long time ago. :;
Yeah, I could see having a fruit pizza as desert.
@Makyen I used to grill banana and apples from the left over heat. That really makes a good desert. I think I'd try fruitpizza if I had a proper oven for it.
@Makyen Is there anything Americans won't put peanut butter on? (Let's keep this family-friendly!)
@Scratte That sounds good.
@AdrianMole I'm sure there's something. You can definitely scratch off all the NSFW things, as those have almost certainly been done.
@AdrianMole I don't believe I've seen peanut-butter flavored alcohol, though I'm almost afraid to search...
22:11
Personally, I can no longer enjoy a hamburger without peanut butter.
... What?
I make my own burgers.
Peanut butter (not too much) spread on the top half of the bun. Yum!
@RyanM I'd be surprised if it didn't exist.
I can't even stand ketchup in my burger.. peanut butter sounds even worse.
You can make alcohol of anything that rots.
22:13
hehe Here's to all things rotten!
It's a cultural difference. Like some people never put ketchup on their pizza
Danes eat chips with Mayo. Good mayo though.
@Dharman Waoh, first time I've heard about that one.
I have never even imagined putting peanut butter on a burger.
@Dharman I don't think so. Everybody else I know likes ketchup in their burgers.
Cultural (and cuisine) differences are what make the world fun.
22:14
Yeah, apparently some people think ketchup does not belong on pizza. Crazy
Also, I don't eat meat, but I make a mean meat substitute.
@RyanM LGTFY...hmmm only 8.75M hits. :)
@Makyen I'm afraid you're correct
yup.
I have had the misfortunate of tasting bacon vodka
@RyanM :)
it is...one of the worst, possibly the worst, alcohols I've ever tasted
22:16
@Dharman The Thais have bottles that look like ketchup ... but all the tomatoes are replace with red chillis. Can be fun to watch first-time foreigners' experience.
@RyanM So... no more bacon for you!
@RyanM I don't believe I've tried that...and don't really want to. :)
@Braiam I like bacon, just not as a vodka flavor...
@AdrianMole That's just mean...
Bacon vodka?!?.. That just sounds as bad as Ham chocolate.
22:16
Ketchup on pizza... also not a thing I've tried.
It's competing with a beer that had gone bad, and with a 1.75L bottle of Scotch that cost less than $20. I was not the purchaser of the latter, lest my judgement be questioned :-)
@Braiam Thai humour, such as it is.
@IanCampbell I mean, you kinda do, when you make a ketchup sandwich
How can you eat pizza without ketchup?
Well, I make it every week and don't put ketchup on it and then I put it in my mouth.
22:17
The only difference with pizza is that it usually has something else that is not plain cheese
@Dharman (1) Open mouth; (2) insert pizza segment; (3) ...
3. chomp
@AdrianMole (3) Do not add ketchup
it's an important step
When you say "ketchup" do you just mean tomato sauce? Because I definitely use that.
You calling me a chomp, dawg?
22:19
No I mean ketchup like the one Heinz sells in bottle
@Dharman That's the only real ketchup.
@IanCampbell No tomato sauce or just no ketchup? Ah.. I'm with you on that. Tomato sauce is great. Ketchup is not..
I prefer Classico pizza sauce, but yes, I almost always use a tomato based sauce unless I'm making pesto pizza.
I think I've maybe dipped pizza crust in ketchup, but I'm having trouble imagining it on pizza that already has tomato sauce
This chat room belongs on Seasoned Advice!
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22:21
@IanCampbell I noticed how the link doesn't say how much sugar is in that.
Let's just say I don't eat pizza for health reasons. I eat my kale at other sittings.
@AnnZen Only today.. we alternate to cover every conceivable topic. We'll be done in 11786 days ;)
@AnnZen Hey! 15K rep require before you can make good jokes.
I wasn't joking.
What do people think of arugula (that's rocket for you Adrian) on pizza?
22:23
Hmmm...
@IanCampbell yes please
@AnnZen Heh.. :) That's the best one yet.
Dunno. I'm no rocket scientist.
but I also like arugula.
arugula
22:24
arugula is my favorite lettuce. It works well with everything. Including pizza
Each and every type of lettuce has its purpose. Iceberg for burgers, arugula for pizza, little gem just to eat like an apple ...
I watch a cooking channel by this guy from Wales on YouTube and every time he calls arugula "rocket" I can't help but giggle. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
The Welsh actually invented the rocket. Or was that something else?
The message in all the chat rooms was sent 2d ago. You guys can really spice things up there.
Can somebody please post an xxx-pls request?
22:28
@AnnZen I see what you did there
3 cheers for Smokey!
Hip hip?
That's only 2.
@IanCampbell My famous quote: I don't get it.
Real question: Can you still spam-flag after you've exhausted your daily flag quota? I've heard mutually contradicting info.
22:31
I'll need 98 more spam posts to test this
@AdrianMole I could tell you but I still have 46 flags today
@AdrianMole No. You can't flag if you have no flags.
Dharman, so disappointing.
I bet you have del votes left too.
@Makyen OK, so to re-phrase: Do spam flags count against your daily post flag quota?
What can I say I was busy with other stuff today
22:32
arugula
@AdrianMole Yes, definitely. We've had an occasion or two where SD/MS has run out of available flags from various accounts and we've not been able to autoflag.
Can SD initiate autoflag even if the account itself is out of flags? Using, for example, my flags?
I'll accept that answer: +15. I guess that's why MS is looking for folks to volunteer their services as autoflaggers.
Isn’t stackoverflow.com/questions/62845884/… basically just (implicitly) asking for recommendations?
all the answers are recommendations
if not asking for recommendations, then still too broad
surprised that question has 4 upvotes
22:37
@IanCampbell Yes. The first flag that is used for autoflagging on a site is SD, but SD not being able to flag doesn't prevent flagging by other people. The time I'm thinking of was during a spam wave, where there were a quite large number of spam posts concentrated on one site within an hour. The site was one that doesn't normally see all that many spam posts, so the people who had flagging conditions which the posts matched hadn't built up a full complement of 100 flags/day.
Even SD didn't have 100 flags/day on that site.
Makes sense
I still remember having only 10 flags a day. It didn't make sense to me that I could go and review 60 posts with just 10 flags.
@Scratte Well, you don't need to use a flag in a review. IIRC, the system does require you to still have one available. I'd also agree that if you're not selecting reviews for those for which you want to give a non-flagging response, then you're going to go through 10 flags way faster than 60 reviews.
22:54
@Scratte I only have 24 flags, and I survive :). I find that most of the time, I am done though.
@Makyen I was banned on my first day, so I was less likely to OK anything after that :D
@Scratte Along those lines: Just think, once you get to 10k, you'll have 5 delete-votes. Try getting through your reviews in the LQP queue with just 5 delete responses. [Admittedly, there's a userscript that fixes that, but you have to know about the userscript.]
@Scratte Ouch. :)
@Makyen I saw somebody earlier today use "@RoomOwner", and I couldn't see anybody pointing out that this wasn't working, so I assumed it might've had.
@Andreas Yeah, there's no "group pings" in chat, (un)fortunately
I can't imagine moderators being happy with a @moderators
@Makyen I'm good with that. That's how I ended up permanent in here :) And I burned through 60 reviews doing them all wrong!.. So I needed to be suspended :)
23:02
@Machavity You should nominate yourself for rewriting the chat codebase, instead of moderator. ;)
@Andreas I'm a glutton for punishment, not a pure sadist :P
Heh.. me getting to 10K is not likely :) I've slowed down my answering to avoid getting reputation.
Besides, you'd probably want to hit up an actual SO Dev for something like that
@Andreas Yeah, it took me a bit to respond to the other message. It's quite easy to miss. There's really no way for you to know if there are other pings, unless you're told. Seriously, it's not a big deal. We just like to actually respond to such requests, rather than have them languish unfulfilled.
23:05
Not that we haven't tried
If they'd only listened.
Ooooh. I haven't run out of votes on Meta yet.
@Makyen I'll do my best in the future. :)
Moderation is not the only problem with the chat. Needing a separate website for rules, guidance and FAQ? Not good. As a new user, I didn't notice that info box on the side. I still often forget it's there.
23:51
@Andreas Funny! Also, review bans don't ban you from reviewing on Meta.
@AdrianMole Haven't been review banned yet. ;)
I'm looking for a way to get review-banned on Meta. Tricky.
Why?
I get about 1 review per week.
.. or why do I want the ban?
And I don't think Meta reviews have audits.
@AdrianMole [head going up and down]
23:54
Just do bad review and post it in Samuel's room saying you think you need to be suspended :)
Sam doesn't have a Meta room.
Must be a badge though.
I think Samuel will ban you for any bad review, no matter the site ;)
Hmm. Ssh.

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