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8:00 PM
@VLAZ I expected it would be, which I don't agree with in any way.
 
Does a second R/A comment flag (well, first flag on a second comment in the same post by the same user) have any special handling? Only my first one went rapidly (as did the comment, of course) but the second is still hanging around after over an hour. And a third comment (also rude, but ever so slight less so) has now appeared.
 
user12867493
@AdrianMole Nope, whenever you flag as R/A if the comment has certain keywords, it is deleted automatically by the system. Your first flag was probably handled automatically, but the second and third need manual handling (depends on the comment)
 
Obviously abusive but maybe the deliberate misspelling has the system flummoxed?
 
user12867493
Possibly the words weren't 'bad enough to trigger the filter, swear words would
 
Third comment went "poof" immediately I flagged it (word "idiot" I guess). But I thought "moron" would work in the remaining case, even if "fcking" doesn't.
 
8:08 PM
@VLAZ Why was it deleted? It was a good answer.
 
user12867493
@AdrianMole Poof as well :)
 
user12867493
Probably needed 2+ R/A flags (I just flagged it)
 
OK, thanks! Do you think a mod-flag would be good there? Or will three R/A flags get their attention automagically?
 
user12867493
A mod-flag where?
 
On that post with the three R/A comments. The poster (asker of the question) seems to be very determined.
 
user12867493
8:12 PM
Nah, it's fine. I'll follow that Q and A to notify for any more comments
 
Can I ask via a mod-flag for this answer to be undeleted?
 
Link! Link! Link!
 
Or should I ask a new question?
I am still talking about TONY THE PONY answer meta.stackoverflow.com/a/398452/1839439
 
Would mods reverse a staff (CM) deletion?
 
user12867493
@AdrianMole Probably not
 
8:16 PM
Can employees censor our posts like this?
 
user12867493
I don't know (can't even see what the post says) :)
 
It was asking for the different reactions. e.g 🐴 TONY THE PONY will initiate the Apocalypse when summoned by four users.
 
I'm I allowed to take screenshots of deleted posts and link them in chat?
 
If only there were ...I dunno, some sort of way to react to the overzealous deletion of a post. Perhaps with an appropriate emoji.
 
I will take the bullet and ask on Meta
 
8:18 PM
I would imagine that Cesar decided it was extremely sarcastic and potentially hurtful to Lisa. (Just guessing, though.)#
 
(really, though, it's probably a legitimate deletion. It's a non-serious-in-any-way response, even if it does convey a point via dripping sarcasm.)
 
Who's Lisa?
 
Lisa Park posted the "Question."
 
We don't delete answers willy-nilly like this. Why should employees be allowed to do so
 
@Dharman Demon Slayer
 
8:19 PM
How does it concern her?
 
Hmm... I read somewhere in the FAQ not to expand images. There must be some way not to do that.
 
Ok, I am moving this conversation to Meta. I will write a post and I hope for some justification why the answer was deleted.
 
@IanCampbell just put any character that isn't a whitespace.
 
@Braiam Thanks
 
8:24 PM
So.. it got a 🎀 from a community manager.. on a post trying to revolt. Kind of ironic, no?
 
@Dharman To be fair here - it was mocking the announcement. They did probably spent a fair bit of effort into this, so it can be quite rude to get this response back. On the other hand, it was super fun for us. I honestly think it's the best thing to come out of the entire feature.
 
The highest voted answer is basically saying the feature is useless and accuses SE of wasting time. I think it is ruder than this answer
 
Eh, deleting that would not be taken kindly at all. There would be rioting because it's legitimate criticism. The TONY THE PONY answer at least they can claim is "not feedback" or whatever. I don't like it but I can see the reasoning.
 
@VLAZ It was mocking it in the best possible way. It was a sending the message that there's nothing we can do about this feature while not being rude. Deleting it is amplifying that message.
 
@Scratte As I said, I don't like it. Also, I guess we don't have 🗽
 
8:33 PM
does someone have a link to that emoji question?
 
It's featured.
 
I have thoughts on the feature and how to actually solve what they're trying to solve, but I am afraid they would be lost in the sea of other thoughts. Perhaps I should post a new feature suggestion.
 
Maybe time to move this conversation to another room? Ministry of Silly Thanks Hats.
 
@RyanM It's worth a try. I see there are several posted already on MSO. I'm cathing up as we speak.
 
8:36 PM
@RyanM Use emojis when you do. They seem to be in fashion
 
user12867493
@AdrianMole Agreed
 
Because we don't moderate Meta here!
 
@AdrianMole We're not doing that. We've been discussing this feature since it came. No one is trying to post an undelete request.
 
@Scratte Borderline. The conversation has moved on to why something of a moderation nature happened on Meta.
 
8:40 PM
@Daniil :) I don't think that's generally used much, since there's a lot of that going on here.
 
@AdrianMole I understand. As the person who brought up the deletion, I apologise. I'll try not to keep to more relevant mentions of meta in the future, this was definitely 1. a fun thing 2. more controversial than relevant. I'd also urge people to join the Ministry of Silly Hats for further discussion.
 
@VLAZ I'm sure you didn't expect such an extended discussion.
 
@Dharman Can you post that in the Hats room, too, please?
 
9:12 PM
@Makyen Thanks for the context. Was unaware of what was happening on other SE sites. That information doesn't get to us moderators, and isn't readily accessible. Custom flags are appreciated in those cases.
@Lankymart Question seems clear to me. What is it missing?
 
@CodyGray np. I'm glad it helped. Yeah, other than a custom flag, I know of no good way to get that context to you. I'm often frustrated condensing everything to fit in one flag. :; I'd planned to send the flag immediately after reporting all the posts to SD, but the page cleared the custom mod-flag text when the answer was deleted, so I had to recover the text (I have a browser extension for that; merely a bit extra time). :; You were just really fast at deleting the answer. :)
 
@Makyen Oh, ugh. The custom mod flag text gets cleared when the answer is deleted? That seems like a very frustrating bug. I was not aware of that.
Yeah, the custom flag is really the only way.
Related to "I'm often frustrated condensing everything to fit in one flag", I just had the same experience when I transferred your flag's information and other context to an annotation on the user account. I ran out of space quickly, and had to end up spreading it across two different annotations. Few things are as frustrating as textboxes with character limits.
 
user12867493
9:30 PM
@CodyGray Why did you give tp feedback here? metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/248692 Surely shouldn't it be NAA?
 
@CodyGray Yeah, it is frustrating. I've had it happen a variety of times. However, I've been using the browser extension "Textarea Cache" for years. That extension stores the contents I enter into textareas, and allows easy recovery of the text in such situations. While I don't use it all that often, it saves quite a bit of time on an irregular basis.
 
@Daniil The answer, as posted, is gibberish. The fact that I was able to rescue it with human context and assessment doesn't factor into my MS feedback.
@Makyen A fountain of knowledge, you. I've never heard of this extension, but now perhaps I need to go exploring.
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Doesn't mean it's tp. tp is used when:
 
user12867493
> the post is not spam, abusive, offensive etc. (use k)
> you would flag the post as Not An Answer on the site itself
 
I think you meant to say "not used when"?
I use the simplistic metric of, "should the system have blocked submission of this outright"?
 
user12867493
9:33 PM
@CodyGray Mind disputing my spam flag here? stackoverflow.com/questions/49644234/…
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Nope, I meant is used when
 
@Daniil Hmm. I did dispute a spam flag there, when I edited that post. It seems your spam flag was raised after I made the edit, and it was declined by a different moderator. I'm not sure why I should dispute it, since the post wasn't spam at the time you flagged it.
@Daniil OK. Then, that's a "tp". I definitely would have flagged the post as "not an answer" on the site itself.
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Ah, I mean NAA is used when
 
user12867493
@CodyGray What happened was I was casting a spam flag through FIRE where the edited version doesn't show
 
user12867493
I cast it a few minutes after it was reported (didn't think it would be edited by then so I didn't check)
 
user12867493
9:37 PM
So I guess you won't dispute it? But I'll pay more attention next time
 
@Daniil Hrmm... Yeah, it does help to check first, I guess. Mods have to check after you raise the flag...
Anyway, I just looked, and it does not appear that I can dispute it.
 
user12867493
You disputed one of my previous ones though or is this case different?
 
This one was already declined
 
@CodyGray Arg. Yeah, such limits are very frustrating. I often find I spend more time getting the information down to fit the character limit than originally composing the text. :; I understand the need for limits on custom flag length (people will abuse it). But, it makes it quite difficult to transfer all the information from what is sometimes an hour(s) long look into what's going on, potentially on multiple sites, with the need to link to various posts/users, external sites, etc. sigh
 
+1, I sometimes wish I could flag a post twice (like a [real] case where a user is being very aggressive and I suspect them of a voting ring - I settled for just the former)
how much would mods hate a tl;dr and a link to more text in a custom flag?
 
9:42 PM
@Makyen I limit textboxes in my software on specific characters only. Nope that is too many "e" characters, try again. Do you want a bonus letter?.
 
@rene lol :)
 
How does one get a bonus letter?
 
@rene would you like to buy a vowel?
 
@RyanM I've been really tempted to do that, on more than one occasion. I've usually figured I'd link to a private Gist on GitHub.
 
@RyanM We've had people do this, providing a link to something like a GitHub Gist in the flag. It's not a terrible idea. If you feel it's worth going through the effort to do it, the information/context is probably useful enough that we would have no problem with getting it.
 
9:43 PM
vwls r nt ndd
 
@CodyGray you have to yell: Can you hear me on your next Skype call ...
 
@rene So, can I submit Gadsby in there?
 
certainly
 
Perfect! Now I just need to find 1. Electronic copy of Gadsby 2. Software written by you 3. The will to actually go through with this joke suggestion.
 
:D
 
9:46 PM
@VLAZ Most of the electronic copies of Gadsby use the letter "e" at least once.
 
@CodyGray .epub?
 
If you find software written by rene, do let me know. That would be fun.
 
OK, then I'll have to go with A Void.
I hope the claims for that book aren't as false as Gadsby.
 
Thankfully I'm into Gardening & Landscaping ...
 
Isn't it weird that "A Void" avoids the letter "e" instead of the letter "a"?
 
9:52 PM
Well, it's a translation.
 
Ah, so the letter "a" was translated as "e"?
 
The original title translates closer to "The Disappearance". Which is correct - if there are no e characters in the book, then all the disappeared from it.
 
hmm if a post has been deleted, it seems it’s not possible to “unfollow” it?
I guess there’s probably a meta discussion about that
/me looks
 
@sideshowbarker Not currently, no. It's a known bug, and is being reviewed.
 
@CodyGray ah ok — thanks!
 
10:00 PM
I know this, despite having never once tried to use the "follow" feature. (Although I click it accidentally almost every time I try to cast a close vote. Still.)
 
10:27 PM
Holy moly, I just noticed that there were no fools day event on most business and nothing bad happened.
 
10:59 PM
@Dharman If you have a moment, take a look at the 'request' posted in the Ministry. (Others are welcome, of course!)
 
user12867493
What’s ‘Ministry’?
 
... of Silly Hats.
Some folks have closed the Thanks announcement, but I can't (and, of course, won't) ask for reopen votes in here.
 
11:16 PM
@Dharman I didn't cast a right away, to give OP a bit time to translate the question...
if they translate I'd retract my CV, if not I'd here
what do you think, should we give OP some time to react?
 
@Vickel Yeah, I get it. With Cody in the vicinity the question would be immediately deleted. However, OP can still translate it and then we can reopen. At least when it is closed we make sure no one answers this in the state that it is in
 
@Dharman mostly there is no reaction by the OP anyway. Many seem to just write a question, go to sleep and hope to have an answer the next day
@Dharman look, translated by OP
 
Perfect, now the reopen queue and SMEs can review to see if it needs to be reopened
 
@CodyGray Just FYI: I tested using a close-vote on a question in the H&I queue. [Actually a few questions, but this is the one that got through the process and appeared to give interesting data.] I VtC: at ~ 2020-06-19 18:14UTC. The close-vote did put the question in the CV-queue, but did not kick the question out of the H&I queue (at least not by an hour later). It was kicked out of H&I only once the question was actually closed.
 
11:32 PM
@Vickel Title still looks pretty Spanish to me
 
@RyanM yeah, I'm too used to daily Spanish and Portuguese as well as English, so sometimes I read all as one big language:), left a comment for the OP to translate it
btw. that flag from many days ago, is still pending :), most liekely because they had no more relevant activity, only 1 question from one of the accounts
 
@Vickel oh goodness, I had to look that one up to remember. But also I think the custom flag queue is just seriously backed up (hence trying to elect more moderators) - I've got a flag over a month old at this point (fortunately that one is very non-urgent)
 
@Makyen Will your schedule allow you to consider running this election?
 
@Makyen I'm 95% sure we did that experiment already. It was Sam, just after his Triage purge had started, and he watched a post in the H&I queue while I voted to close it. Didn't do anything. (Chat was either in here or possibly in Sam's Bad Review Room.)
 
@NathanOliver Do you remember what happened to the custom flag you raised on this post [MS]? You mentioned in an MS comment that you were raising a flag wrt. having it normal-deleted instead of red-flag deleted. I agree that it does not appear to be spam. It was brought to my attention because the user recently posted another answer (NAA), but had a similar signature, which confused people wrt. spam/not spam.
 
11:47 PM
Why is it not spam? It looks like spam even in isolation
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, the CV only moved it into the CV-queue. I wasn't aware of other testing. Sounds like we got the same results. I guess repeatability is good. :)
 
After checking the history I was sure it is spam
 
@Dharman While there are links to their site, they do clearly disclose affiliation, and the links appear to be there specifically to provide examples, rather than intended to drive traffic to their site. Admittedly, I haven't actually gone to their site to check that they are what the OP says they are. Basically, it doesn't appear to be intended to promote.
 
The more recent post looks...spammier, but only to the extent that people signing posts with their name/website is.
Looks like correctable behavior, and they've now been warned
 
@RyanM Yeah, the signature needs to go, but a signature like that is normal for some communication. They need to be informed that it's wrong here (a comment has been left). Now, if they keep doing it...
 
11:53 PM
@Makyen How would you handle a post like that one earlier today? My inclination would be: Edit, comment, tp-, no flag
 
@Dharman What makes you feel it's spam? (and are we talking about the same post?)
 
If they haven't learned from comments, edit and spam flags in the past it means that we should stop giving them any leeway. I do not want to download their mix tape no matter if it is only a signature in NAA or if it actually relates to the post.
 
@RyanM Please link to the post you're asking about. Unfortunately, there are too many to be sure which one you're asking about.
 
I'm talking about this one (MS) - to me, it looks like it's not NAA because it includes more information than a simple thank you - it includes that a reboot -n was also needed, which could be an important part of the answer (I have no idea, because I know nothing about the subject)
 
11:57 PM
@KenWhite I could camp every day on OS tags and would consume every vote on this room :D
 
Which is why I stopped camping those tags
 
@Dharman I agree that there's a point where we give up trying to educate. However, unless there's a deleted comment I can't see, the first comment I've seen asking them not to add signatures was today. It seems reasonable to at least once explicitly say what's wrong/what needs to change.
 
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