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9:00 PM
@IanCampbell Yes, I know. I don't why you decided to point it out to me.
 
Well you posted on Meta asking for clarification why sometimes the post owner can't undelete their own deleted answer. It seems clear that having a vote is what makes the difference.
 
@IanCampbell You can't do exactly that. If you are over 20k rep, then, without a userscript, you're done with the LQP queue for the day once you run out of delete-votes. With a userscript, you can give "Delete" responses in the LQP queue without consuming a delete-vote.
 
No, this is not what I asked about
 
OK, well I'm sorry that I bothered you, I guess
 
My meta post is now closed without me actually getting an answer. This is quite annoying.
I assume I was meant to extrapolate the answer from Shog's answer
 
9:07 PM
@Makyen Interesting, I look forward to experimenting, thanks for the clarification
 
Ian, I don't mind you bothering me. Did you meant that when a single DELETE vote was used in review that the post can't be undeleted by the author?
If so, then it means that my Meta post completely failed in clarifying this. It got closed without any explanation and people are still confused
 
Yes, that's what I meant. If any one single vote is "Deletion" rather than "Recommend Deletion" it takes votes.
I'll see if I can find the different events in the database
 
^ This is the reason why I asked a question and the system failed me
At least now I see a big red button telling me to delete the question. I think we are getting more welcoming every day.
Who can guess without checking the timeline how was this answer deleted? stackoverflow.com/a/22877755/1839439
 
@Dharman Hehe! Easy: It was deleted via review by 6 users.
 
@Dharman I guessed wrong
 
9:16 PM
@AdrianMole Nope, it was deleted by a mod. stackoverflow.com/posts/22877755/revisions
 
@Dharman Well... it was also deleted by a mod. :)
 
OK, so that totally invalidates my theory.
 
Via a mod who deleted it (presumably) when notified by the result of the review.
 
No, it was via the dispute flag
 
@AdrianMole When responding the the auto-flag generated when the OP undeleted it, after it was deleted from review.
 
9:18 PM
See. I said it was easy: easy to get it wrong.
 
Part of me just wants to test it. Who wants to be the guinea pig?
 
You mean you want to see if we can undelete it? Or do you want to be that user?
 
Like Dharman, I want to know if you can undelete a post that has a binding delete vote from review.
 
It is interesting. There's no mod-vote listed in the blue box, so ...
... we still don't know.
We'd need 20K+ folks to tell us if they can vote to undelete. One could try, let the vote register, then retract it, maybe?
 
@AdrianMole You can't retract delete-votes, undelete-votes, or reopen-votes.
 
9:28 PM
All we need to do is have someone post an answer, have someone vote to delete, find it's review task and recommend deletion 3 times. If the poster can undelete, our question is answered.
 
Oh. I didn't know that - never actually tried. But if you put one in, @Makyen, will it age away if no-on else supports you?
 
@AdrianMole Delete-votes and undelete-votes never age away. Reopen-votes do age away in the same manner as close-votes.
 
Hmm. Probably a dangerous experiment, then.
@IanCampbell Could we try that on Meta? Presumably, the rules there are the same.
 
@IanCampbell I don't mind.. but you need more deleters (and a moderator to handle the auto-flagging)
 
Except, of course, there's no LQP queue on Meta.
 
9:33 PM
@IanCampbell I'd note that there's a difference, at least in some ways, as to how the system handles delete-votes that are placed on the post (i.e. from voting from a question page, not review) and ones which are placed as a result of a "Delete" response in the LQP queue. The ones in the LQP queue also behave differently depending on if the question has a score < 0, or not. So, to test, we'd need to run all of the different combinations.
 
That's a whole colony of guinea-pigs.
 
@Makyen That's a fair point
 
We should find a mod to bless our experiment...
 
@AdrianMole There is, we just don't tell you about it until you have a tag score of 1000 in one of the required tags.
 
9:35 PM
@TylerH So, you didn't really just tell me about it, then.
 
@Makyen So.. how many posts in total?
 
@AdrianMole did I ju...darn it
 
@TylerH delete TylerH.head
 
@Scratte At least 3 for the minimum set (assuming that the case with both a delete-vote outside of LQP + "Delete" response in the queue is something we'd be willing to assume works at the most restrictive of those two separate cases). Although, we really don't need to test the 4 "Recommend Delete" response case, as we should be able to find an example without toooo much trouble. So, at least 2 + research.
 
@Makyen But the Answer also has to have been undeleted by author, no?
I mean that's the point of the test..
I'm assuming that 0 scored Answers are identical to <0 scored answers in that they are deleted by actions in the queue with no moderator required.
 
9:42 PM
@Scratte Yes, of which there are probably a significant number of examples for the 4x "Recommend Delete" case (e.g. the answer which was linked above as a "guess how this was deleted").
 
Ohh.. right. But I have the ultimate guessing experience on that one :D
 
@Scratte Oh, you're wanting to cover the score spread too. Sorry, I missed that you wanted to cover that also. So, you'll need at least 4.
 
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@IanCampbell Yeah, I'd recommend doing that before going ahead. Either that or asking on meta first.
 
@Makyen Fortunately I have at least 4 answers we can test. I assume one of those needs a VLQ flag to push it into the queue.
 
@AdrianMole I'd change my avatar to a blank white square but it might confuse folks :-P
 
9:45 PM
@Dharman You're right. Your question on MSE isn't a duplicate of the current dup-target. I've left a comment and voted to reopen.
 
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Btw, if you need a mod, a couple of them frequent this room (of course, at least one of them--even more I think--also frequent here as well too).
 
We'd probably need to schedule it as well.
 
Mods that frequent chatrooms are normally deprived of their "Blessing Rights."
@Scratte It would have to be between 23:00 and 00:00 UTC, or @Dharman will refuse to make a [del-pls].
 
Lol. I do not have 20k priv
 
@Dharman But we need recommend deletions too
 
9:51 PM
I was only a little bit following this conversation as I got too involved in sock-puppet hunting
 
Addition: We shall also have to wait (~ 3 months?) for @Dhaman to get 20K.
 
Ohh.. I have an answer on a closed question. Wonder if that makes a difference when un-deleting it
 
3 months? Slacker.
 
Well, it would be much less without all those down-votes.
 
No!.. I just found I have an answer on a Question that should have been closed.
 
9:56 PM
@Scratte I would recommend head-deletion, but then you'd just be an ellipsis. :)
 
@sideshowbarker It was never deleted. You have two flags available. I don't mind flagging it too, but did something happen that you can't flag it?
 
@Dharman I did flag it. That’s sufficient? Only needs to be flagged once?
 
Yeah, once is enough. There is no point in flagging it with multiple users
 
OK, thanks
 
@sideshowbarker Some of the comments in that question are borderline unfriendly.
 
10:04 PM
@AdrianMole Yeah I flagged those too
 
@AdrianMole :) I just realized I've been spelling ellipsis wrong for months :(
 
not clear that point that commenter is even trying to make
so answers can only be closed as NAA by a moderator?
 
@Dharman Our frequent-lurker diamond-geezer once suggested that multiple NAA flags can make their job easier, though.
@Scratte What, you mean you have four dots?
 
@sideshowbarker As has been mentioned, unless there's a reason you are unable to flag the post yourself (e.g. you previously flagged and it was edited out of the queue; you're out of flags), then we don't accept requests for additional NAA or VLQ flags, because having more than one such flag active on the post is nearly useless.
 
I've found 5 old (and really embarrassing) Answers to use for the experiment. 4 of them are 0-scored. One is at -1.
 
10:06 PM
oofs, it’s even in the FAQ…
@Makyen thanks
 
np. It's not a big deal.
 
I guess if the posts really need deletion there's no need for permission...
I'm just trying to figure out if there's a userscript to find the review task link for an arbitrary post.
 
A lot of delete/undelete activity could make a moderator suspicious, so it would be prudent to forewarn one what's happening.
 
@AdrianMole Heh.. no :) I mean I've been spelling it elipses.
 
@IanCampbell There's Review Finder by @rene.
 
10:11 PM
@AdrianMole We need one anyway, due to the auto-mod-flagging when I un-delete it.
 
It's getting to be about that time...
 
@Dharman That del-plz just put an image in my head of fat men in towels in a steamy room(ba).
 
@Makyen That's pretty fancy. Thanks!
 
We also need deleters of both <20K and >20K. I assume 6 under and 3 over.
But since I'm at CET, I think it would be best to do it a little earlier on the day. Around 16:00 - 22:00 UTC
 
@DavidBuck There's a very nice NAA on that post too. We can get 2 for 1 if we delete the question.
 
10:21 PM
@IanCampbell Indeed. I came across that first in FP
 
10:35 PM
LOL
https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/49687818#49687818
I have no idea what is going on in this thread, but should I mod flag or ask here to delete? stackoverflow.com/questions/51802903/…
 
@pkamb you've got an extra space after tag:
 
@Dharman I'd modflag it. Looks like all those accounts were created just to post those answers. (What are those anyway?..)
 
thanks. Couldn't figure out if the tag was unrecognized or...
 
@pkamb I think the whole question would have been solved by max/min width :/
 
@Georgy I mod flagged just now, but I am afraid it will get declined
 
10:44 PM
yeah, the chat formatting is super finicky
@Dharman It looks like attempted ad fraud. I flagged every one of them as R/A and left an explanatory comment.
 
@Georgy Probably trying to inject ads
Is there any popular software out there that doesn't do html sanitation of user content?
 
I had a similar flag (this one, I think - 10k link) recently marked helpful (let me know if that's the wrong link, I can't see it)
 
Yeah, you flagged it as R/A
 
I think the best part about stackoverflow.com/questions/51802903/… is that some poor users tried to format their code for them
 
is it the one that looks like an attempted script injection?
 
10:51 PM
It looks like gibberish
but yes this is the one
 
that edit still makes the site better XD
 
<?php rmdir("ok.php"); ?> is not really script injection targeted at SO, but it looks like some bot scanning the internet
 
@pkamb not this one (rev 3), though... stackoverflow.com/posts/55507792/revisions
 
HAHA lol
 
re: this post above, did anyone notice that the account names are the same? Is there any way to help them merge their accounts? stackoverflow.com/questions/62451500/…
 
10:54 PM
@Dharman oh right, I forgot...yeah, looks like a vuln scanner.
 
@pkamb You can post a friendly comment and hope they see it. Unless you notice that the two accounts are breaking the rules, either voting on each other's posts or abusing question ban, then you should not mod-flag
 
@pkamb can't see the link, but you could point them to stackoverflow.com/help/merging-accounts
 
@RyanM The deleted NAA saying "thanks thanks thanks" is a different user with the same display name as the OP
 
oh, ha...yeah, that link is probably the best bet
In retrospect I suppose I could've checked MS
 
Noticing the subtle difference between lavender and lilac is why they pay pkamb the big bucks.
 
11:01 PM
@RyanM Any 15K around that can protect this question? stackoverflow.com/q/51802903/792066
 
ahead of you :)
 
@Dharman BTW: That question was a good example of where you could have "protected" the question.
 
Yeah, and I am still >15k
 
Will it be auto-protected once all those spamswers are deleted?
 
@RyanM AFAIK, autoprotection got very nerfed.
I think it doesn't kick in at all.
 
11:07 PM
I've seen it happen recently
 
Nerfed? If that means the same as "skilted," then it was only very recently.
 
I still hate the "highly active question" phrasing
 
Also if anyone hasn't yet, all those SD reports are spam/abusive and should be flagged into oblivion ^
 
@Braiam Not that I'm aware of. It would have happened here, but the question was already protected by a user.
 
and then we'll see if the question is protected
oh right, I keep forgetting I can't see protection outside of the post history, because I have enough rep to post over it, but not enough to protect
 
11:09 PM
@RyanM It has already been protected.
 
> The number of deleted answers from users with <10 rep1, plus the number of answers with helpful spam flags, is at least 3. (Note that spam answers from new users are counted twice.)
@Makyen I probably was thinking about auto-cw
 
And don't forget that we've been told that we should not manually protect questions.
 
@AdrianMole Source?
 
@Braiam It was Cody. In here, about 2 or 3 days ago. Responding to a question by @Dharman, IIRC.
 
> When should I protect or unprotect a question?

Do protect questions that are attracting a lot of non-answers or very poor answers (spam, etc.) from new users.
@AdrianMole ^ from faq
 
11:16 PM
Yeah, I know that FAQ. But I think that was written before auto-protect was implemented, and just never changed.
... and, if the criteria there are met, then the question will already have been protected by the system.
 
@AdrianMole I'd argue that the guidance should be that we shouldn't frivolously protect questions and that we should definitely evaluate if a question should continue to be protected and remove the protection if not. In this case, where there is a pattern of the same question being targeted multiple times over a period of more than a year and a half, I'd say it's justified, and that it should remain for at least that period of time from the last occurrence.
 
@AdrianMole uh? It did change several times.
 
@Braiam Here.
I only ever disputed one of Cody's "rulings" once - my knees haven't worked properly since.
 
@AdrianMole That has some faulty logic, since you can't "preemptively" protect a question anymore. cc @cody
 
Well, if you want to take it up with the big man, go for it.
 
11:28 PM
@AdrianMole Do tell.. (not about the knees) :)
 
To qualify for protection, it has to at least have some deleted answers or answers posted by low rep users, you can't protect (as user) a question unilaterally.
 
@Scratte @Braiam I protected a question, once! And it only takes one user to do it.
 
I flagged this as NAA, should I have requested 20k deletion here instead? stackoverflow.com/a/62458998/1839439
 
@Dharman That looks like a combination of spam and plagiarism.
 
yep
 
11:32 PM
@Dharman I would expect that flag to be declined, there's enough content to qualify it as a (bad) answer
 
Mod flag? Or spam flag, as there's no disclosure that the first link (youtube) is their own.
 
yeah there's definitely more than zero plagiarism there... oh, no, wait, the wikipedia image is sourced from the blog post that's linked there
 
@AdrianMole Oh. I thought your knees had never been the same since from an entirely different disagreement.
 
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