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9:00 PM
I should say they waste queue items rather than votes
you get a maximum of 40 completed queue items per day (in the CV Queue), 39 if you hit an audit, or in days where you hit 5 audits (which happens), 35 queue items.
if you skip it, cool, it doesn't count toward your 40, but if you act on it, it does
meaning another question could sneak by to live til another review
 
Ahh.. well. A quarter of my Steward badge was earned from audits. And if I remember correctly I Skipped about 7000 too.
 
So...you should skip all review items, but open each of them up in a new tab to handle them accordingly.
Wow. That spam lasted a while. The account had previously posted 4 other spam questions, all of which were either closed or deleted for inactivity. :-(
 
@TylerH I thought this room was to help with things not in the queue.
 
very sneaky, they edited in the spam 5 days after posting
 
Our own @TylerH voted to close instead of flagging as spam.
This is the kind of spam that's the hardest to detect: is it a clueless user trying to get help with their website, or are they a spammer?
I err on the side of the latter.
@NathanOliver Yeah, that's kind of weird. Two of their other questions had no links at all, but essentially the same content. A third had the link since the beginning.
 
9:08 PM
Yeah, those are tough. It usually only becomes obvious when they create more than one post.
 
Which, if it has been deleted (as it often has been), normal users can't even see
 
But Smokey remembers them, surely?
 
If they go through Smokey...
I don't know how to search the Smokey database to see. Perhaps Makyen does. User account was "AppZoro Technologies Inc."
 
@AdrianMole If they are detected, but it's difficult to differentiate between someone linking to their site because they are clueless, or to give an example, vs. actual spam.
 
I know I said yesterday it doesn't matter
but I my own explanation didn't satisfy me
 
9:11 PM
@CodyGray You can search here. It doesn't return any results for that user name
 
The specific post was not detected. I've added a watch for the domain. There's no record for anything containing "appzoro".
 
@CodyGray if I had access to the same information that moderators have, I might be more inclined to consider it spam, too. Without that additional information, though, erring toward spam instead of simply close-worthy (and a sure-fire Roomba) would be reckless. Especially when mods sometimes handle flags wrongly.
 
@Dharman for me it would qualify. Normally I just walk away then unless they start calling me names. That's when the flags come out.
 
@Dharman The bot certainly thought so.
 
What bot? I didn't write a bot for this yet
 
9:13 PM
But doesn't having an "xD" make any comment OK? ;)
Queen Bee, is it?
 
It's like "no offense, but you suck"
 
The auto comment delete "bot"?
 
@NathanOliver Such does not exist. The auto comment flagging bot.
 
What's the bot in SOBotics that pick up rude comments?
 
I mean the one run by SO.
 
9:14 PM
Aha
 
@AdrianMole You missed a good opportunity to end that comment with an "xD"...
 
Too cheap.
 
Looks like they're calling it "The Unfriendly Robot". Which...seems like a poor choice of a name.
 
@CodyGray It's a perfect name. The bot itself in unfriendly to friendly comments.
 
Exactly, they should call it "The toxic robot"
 
9:16 PM
I thought that's what they called me
 
The Unfriendly Robot is that that chat bot for the DMV? ;)
 
It's just called Queen
 
@AdrianMole That's indeed a bot, but it's a side project, not part of SO officially.
 
@AdrianMole I don't think it's the same robot :)
 
Aren't we all bots?
 
9:20 PM
As in: We're all unique? :D
 
"Bot" just happens to be Dutch for "bone."
 
Is this a tad too broad of a question? stackoverflow.com/q/61871510/1839439
 
@Dharman More than a tad I'd say.
 
@Dharman I find it very odd that this never entered the First Posts queue.
 
@Scratte Because of today's bug?
 
9:27 PM
Oh.. it's the second post. Never mind :) First posts should perhaps not just be the first..
No, the post is from May 18th.
 
"Hey thanks for the reply ,no it didn't work.It got rid of the error but..." [screaming internally]
 
@RyanM what I really don't like is "I have this code. It works perfectly but..." if you're posting it here it doesn't work perfectly!
 
@VLAZ except for the people who post here instead of on codereview. I see one or two of those every week or two.
 
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
 
They don't tend to preface their posts with "It works perfectly but...", the posts I'm picturing actually continue with describing a problem they have.
 
9:33 PM
what word?
 
Hi @RyanM, thanks so much for your help. It fixed my problem, but I realized there are actually 8 other problems. Please fix those too. Thanks!
 
In this case, it fixed the problem they were asking about, and now they're having a different problem, because the error message they were asking about wasn't the root cause of their pro...what Ian said
 
@CodyGray That's inconceivable.
 
@Scratte "perfect"
 
One of the worst offenders was "I have this if statement. It works perfectly for the else part but it somehow doesn't match the if part". The statement was just completely broken and it never worked.
 
9:35 PM
@VLAZ Add a bitwise NOT; problem solved.
Now it works perfectly as an if statement.
 
...and it never goes in the else part
 
I had one post, that I tried to close. It said something equivalent. But it had nice formatting and it's still out there.. I think I'll answer it :D
 
@VLAZ Didn't say that was a requirement
 
if (random() * brokenCondition)
Now it works better on average.
 
9:38 PM
@VLAZ Works perfectly, but not all the time.
 
@VLAZ Nah, now it's a lot slower. Not only do you have to generate a random number, but multiplication is a slow operation.
You need to optimize that by reducing the strength: generate a random number between 0 and 1, and then just AND it with the brokenCondition.
 
@RyanM Aaaaand unfriendly flag for foreign-language profanity declined
 
@RyanM The one from yesterday?
 
@Dharman yep, comment was removed though
 
Told you to go with NLN, it's a safer option
 
9:42 PM
@RyanM Really gunning for that Marshal badge?
 
Yeah, I was curious as an experiment. I'm nowhere near a flag-ban, so I figured I'd roll the dice and see what happened.
 
There are custom flags for comments. You shouldn't use them to request anything but deletion of the comment, but "this is a curse word in a foreign language" is an acceptable use.
A mod playing with his "decline flag but delete comment anyway" script. :-)
 
@CodyGray ah, good tip, thanks!
 
@CodyGray I thought you were all using that now?
 
@RyanM Also provides good documentation in the future. A mod could respond by themselves flagging the comment as unfriendly, which would immediately delete it. So there would now be a record of the user having left unfriendly comments, and an explanation associated with it, since it wasn't obvious why it was unfriendly in this case.
@Scratte No
I often moderate on mobile, where I don't have scripts.
I just do it manually, though.
 
9:45 PM
Also did they just change the phrasing of the unfriendly flag? I could've sworn it said "a reasonable person would find this inappropriate for respectful discourse" or something like that yesterday
 
I found a new addition to the "I'm stuck up": "Im stucking on" :)
@RyanM That's on post flags. They don't have the same wording as comment flags.
 
@RyanM That's the "rude/abusive" flag on posts.
@Scratte Both of those are wrong. :-) It should be "I'm stuck on".
 
aha! so it is.
 
@CodyGray or "I'm stack on"
@CodyGray Are you using some userscript which creates empty revisions?
 
@Dharman No, not to my knowledge... Why do you ask?
 
9:51 PM
 
Oh, that's Sam's userscript to make it easier to convert answers to comments. Looks like it always does that, even if it's not necessary.
Probably should have some validation added to not submit the edit unless it's making a change?
Actually...it does have that validation. Looks like there's something wrong with the logic there. Perhaps one of the regexes?
 
@CodyGray We had a discussion about all the wrong ways to write "I'm stuck on". @halfer explained to me the subtle difference of "stuck up" and how it's not well suited for a Question about not being able to get past an issue :)
 
It's not subtle at all.
 
@Scratte although I've seen an occasional question every now and then where both apply.......
 
@RyanM Yeah, I don't ask very many questions.
 
10:03 PM
What If I'm trying to solve a programming problem while being stuck halfway up a chimney? Wouldn't I be both stuck up and stuck on? Or is that just stuck in and stuck on?
 
Do you also wear a red coat, have a beard, and carry a big sack?
 
I think that would be just "stuck".
 
@Scratte stuck on a programming problem, on a nail, in a chimney, on a whim.
tags: [java] [chimney] [stuck]
 
But yeah, both "stuck up" and "stuck in" would work for the chimney scenario. You're stuck "up" a chimney, "in[side]" of that chimney.
 
Interesting. What if someone stuck me up there?
 
10:07 PM
You're still stuck "on" a programming problem. Or, you could rephrase to be stuck "with" a programming problem (that would kind of imply, though, that someone dumped the problem on you, such as a boss or a departing coworker).
 
@VLAZ I never actually carry the big sack inside the chimney. That's old fake news :D
 
@CodyGray Yeah, both sound acceptable to me, with a mild preference for in...actually, thinking about it, I think it depends how exactly you got stuck. "stuck up a chimney" implies to me that you got stuck on the way up (i.e., after leaving the presents under the tree)
 
@RyanM I don't think it implies that. Your mind just starts thinking that because of the word "up". But it could be either case. You are stuck "up inside of" a chimney.
 
@RyanM I think of it as being stuck down the chimney if I talk to Rudolph on the roof. But stuck up the chimney if I talk to the chipmunk in the tree in the living room.
 
Y'all are thinking of an implicit "going", as in "stuck going [up/down] the chimney".
The prepositions "up" and "down" don't, themselves, imply that.
You can't be stuck down a chimney, because chimneys always go up.
 
10:11 PM
My chimney is inanimate and doesn't go anywhere
 
@CodyGray even in Australia?
 
@VLAZ Unknown.
 
@CodyGray I was thinking of how I'm relatively up of down depending on who I talk to. Going down the chimney, I'm still stuck up the chimney while talking to someone in the living room, because I'm up compared to them.
 
So, taking the (somewhat archaic) meaning of "stack" as a chimney, if somebody stuck a stick up a stack and the stick got stuck, would it be stuck up or in the stack?
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@Scratte Oh, I see. The relativist point of view.
 
10:13 PM
@AdrianMole That's stack overflow
 
I forgot to include "stock" somehow.
 
@AdrianMole I'm disappointed. As a Scotchman, you missed a good opportunity to use the word "steck".
And, yes, also the more obvious "stock"...
 
But I'm a Welshman!
 
Close enough?
 
lol!.. I'm dying here now.. :)
 
10:17 PM
Plot twist: the One True Scotsman is a Welshman!
(Scotchman is what you are with a nice single-malt in hand.)
 
A man wedged in a chimney and demanding that the "stupid oiks" from the emergency services need to free him immediately would be both stuck and stuck up at the same time.
 
Or if you speak like Sean Connery.
New sport for the Glasgow 2060 Olympics: Chimney Wedging.
 
I thought Scotchman was a superhero who drank radioactive whiskey.
 
{giggle} I think I would tune in for Chimney Wedging
 
I'd prefer Stack Sticking
 
10:22 PM
Perhaps chimney un-wedging would be better. I mean, how does one accurate measure if someone is faking it or truly stuck?
 
@Dharman I so badly want to link to TheDailyWTF with the text "strongly related", but I'm afraid that's too snarky.
 
@CodyGray I don't think I know this one.
 
Oh, they have images of ATMs, train station displays, airport terminals, etc. with error message dialogs. Things like this, this, and this. That's what the image in that question looked like to me.
 
@Dharman The one with the Russian in it: That just repeats what the English at the top says, if my Russian is half decent.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, and also fulfils the role of a filler-text
"This also stucks"
 
10:42 PM
"plssss"
Do people actually think that sounds nice?
 
Is there a way to edit this into an answer? stackoverflow.com/a/62159897/1839439
 
It's nicer with plzzzzzzzz halp me
 
@Dharman Yes, but it would help desperately if one had some basic domain knowledge. plzzzzzzzz halp me
 
I don't think there is any .net expert in the room at the moment.
 
Do we have a "needs rene's attention" queue?
 
10:49 PM
I don't think so. There may be a "want rene's attention" queue, but everyone knows not to
It basically makes it not really a queue, but more like a set.
 
11:11 PM
Huh. I had never heard that called "zipping".
Meh, I think that last one might be useful as a search target.
 
^ Display-Name bonding?
 
Oh, heh. I don't even look at display names of posters.
 
11:43 PM
Am I missing something in this instagram question? It seem to be related to their user interface to me.
 
@Scratte I went out on a limb and migrated that to WebApps. It sounds like they're using the Instagram web user interface, so that would be on-topic there, as best I can tell.
 
@CodyGray That was nice of you :) Perhaps my comment seems out of place now though.
 
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