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00:17
How does one quote-format text in chat?
@JL2210 > It's a quote.
> It's a quote.
> My code doesn't have any bugs; it works on my computer. It crashes with a segmentation fault on my friend's computer, but that doesn't mean it has bugs.
I'm definitely not in denial, either.
Heh
user10957435
01:07
@pkamb SOCVR doesn't allow anything that could be taken as user targeting. Sorry.
^^ I'm not sure if that should be tagged SD or not, since its the question not the answer that SD reported.
user10957435
@pkamb That said, if you have a problem with a user, and you think a user is doing something like this, it is probably a good idea to flag a mod and explain the situation.
I linked to a Question above, not a user account or anything.
rephrase:
are Questions such as this that are reposts of the same questions elsewhere, asked "on behalf of" the original poster, a fit for SO?
user10957435
@pkamb Sure. The ultimate decision will be left to an RO (which I am not one, btw). I'm just saying that the ROs generally like to avoid anything that could be taken as user targeting. The language you originally used is dangerously close to that.
@robsiemb Yes, the question can/should have SD report mentioned when SD reported an answer on the question. SD is scanning the question & answers for a reason. The reasons which something can be brought to SD's attention for scanning are all normal types of activity (e.g. a new question/answer posted, a question or answer on the question edited, Community bump to homepage, etc.), except manual scanning/reporting (rare). SD reports also bring significant attention to the question and all answers.
01:27
@Makyen k, ty
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@Dharman Well, pretty soon no one will yesterday.
@Dharman I, I "The Vulcan Science Directorate"
 
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03:02
Is there a CM in here?
@RobertHarvey Don't think so, but I can pass a message on, if you'd like.
I'd like my meta SE account deleted.
Can you not flag your own account for deletion when you are suspended?
No.
Can't do anything.
I guess that kinda makes sense.
Wouldn't want a user requesting their account to be deleted, and then simply recreating it. :-)
03:22
I interpreted that one as "general computing", @KenWhite. Although apparently "notepad code" is a new name for "batch script"...
@CodyGray i thought about that, until I read the wall of text. It's pretty much asking us to write a batch script that will do a bunch of different steps for them. I left a comment about breaking it into tasks and tackling each task individually. Hopefully it will get them started. (One can always hope, right?)
03:35
@KenWhite One can hope for a while. Until she becomes jaded from experience. The good news is, as a moderator, I can reopen and close for a different reason that reflects I actually read the question. :-)
@CodyGray :-) I've been here long enough to have gone beyond jade. But every once in a while someone actually listens (and on rare occasions evens says thanks), which keeps the dream alive.
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03:49
@KenWhite What's worse than jaded? Emeralded? (Are we still doing puns?)
@CodyGray Hmmm... Good question. I hadn't thought it through that far. I'd go with Diamonded, but it would appear you've got that first. :-)
05:31
@Andreas-he-her- You forgot to remove the "Thank you!"
@CodyGray Yeah, my fluff blocker must've hidden it from my eyes. Saw you removed it.
I see that the question just got an upvote. I'd say that it should either be closed for a typo/syntax error, or as a duplicate of one of the other "C pointer" questions. Am I wrong to believe this?
I upvoted it. Irrespective of whether it needs to be closed, I felt that it was a rather well-asked question for a new user, and thus deserved an upvote. Especially since someone had already downvoted it.
@Cody I see you flagged the recent SD as TP, do you have insights to share? metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/213494
@Andreas-he-her- In general, I strongly prefer to close as a duplicate. Not only for the practical reason that it's a single-click for a gold badge holder, but also because it is more useful in directly providing the asker with their answer.
@tripleee Other than the obvious? The user name was identical to the website that was being promoted. I guess you can't see the user name anymore since I've nuked the user.
Actually, you can. Never mind.
@CodyGray I already linked to a possible duplicate question in a comment, to guide them to the answer to how pointers work.
@CodyGray I thought it was consensus to stop upvoting based on that there are downvotes, now after the reputation count for question upvotes has been raised to 10 points.
05:39
@CodyGray missed that, thanks!
@Andreas-he-her- You can upvote for any reason(s) you like, as long as there's no fraud involved. I'm in general no fan of "sympathy upvotes", but in this case, I was strongly considering upvoting the question anyway, so the fact that there was a downvote pushed my inkling over the edge into action.
@CodyGray Ok.
@Andreas-he-her- I see so many horrible-quality questions from new users that...I may have overreacted a bit. Forgive my celebratory spirit.
Looking for a good duplicate there... A bit shocked I can't find a good canonical about assigning values to the object pointed to by a pointer.
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@RobertHarvey use the contact us form. I've been wanting to check in with you.
@CodyGray I think we all get overflown by terrible questions. It's a little sad that most of my recent votes are downvotes.
@CodyGray How about the question that I linked to in a comment? Isn't it a good candidate?
user3956566
05:46
the reason many of us come to rooms like this and end up moderating is due to the post quality.
@Andreas-he-her- I'm no stranger to them. I have a 63% downvote to upvote ratio. I see you still have significantly more upvotes than downvotes. Give it time. :-)
Yeah. I decided to jump in here after an entire voting page on my user profile consisted of question downvotes. That day served little quality.
@Andreas-he-her- Potentially. Was looking for something a bit less generic, because I figured it had to exist. Now I see that they've edited the question, so I'm unsure what's going on. Did they solve the problem, and edit in the solution? Or have they just clarified the question?
@CodyGray Not good to say... They messed up the indentation again. I think that edit should be rolled back.
The question needs to be rolled back now.
Sigh. Done, commented, and upvote retracted.
Thank you for crushing my hopes. You may now go back to your regularly scheduled business. :-)
Ehm, no problem...
06:12
What would the close reason for a question like this be? Should it just be left open, and continue to attract downvotes instead?
@Andreas-he-her- Per site policy, there isn't much you can do. There is no "too basic" close reason, it's definitely not off-topic, and you can't reasonably argue that it is "too broad", as the answer/explanation is quite simple. First thing I'd do is look for a duplicate.
Questions that you believe are too basic to be useful to others can be justifiably downvoted, although do be careful that you're not biasing that decision with your own expertise (not implying that you would be doing so in this case to downvote that particular question).
@CodyGray Yeah, ok. That's what I thought. Just wanted to see if I'd misunderstood something.
It helps to think about this site as an encyclopedia. No matter how basic the question is, if it's reasonably-scoped and about programming, then it can and should be answered here. No question is too basic, because that standard simply doesn't have a brightline. Who determines what is too basic? An expert? Everything was unknown to us at one point in our careers, and (nearly) everything becomes basic at another point.
If that is too basic for you, try Visual Basic
I see myself out ...
06:30
@rene I can draw a picture, if it would help to make things Visual.
I'm in for some ASCII art ...
I was gonna go for a meme, but pick your poison
I'll go for the poison at 100, please.
08:08
I created a wiki answer (only collecting good input from comments) on a now closed question. Does that mean I cannot ask for reopen votes here?
I also commented, reasoning that closing is inappropriate, in case that is relevant.
@Yunnosch Yes, that's what it means. You have a conflict of interest, because you are involved with that question. Aside from that...the question you're talking about does not deserve to be re-opened. At a minimum, you'd need to edit it.
@CodyGray Thanks.
I understand gnerally, but in this case I do not know what edit you mean.
I mean that the question is terrible. If you think it deserves to be re-opened, then you're seeing something that I'm not. And since I'm reading the question as it's presented, you must be imagining something that you should instead be submitting as an edit.
I understand your logic, but still do not see a possible/needed edit. I do however accept your opinion. Thanks.
08:24
@CodyGray The room rule n°15 restrains us from posting requests for questions with non-wiki answers
Hmm, okay. Didn't realize that CW status was an exception to the rule. I'm...not sure why. The motivation here isn't just reputation gain.
@CodyGray I still accept that I have something of a conflict of interest.
The person didn't just mark my edit as unnecessary, but damaging to the question. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/24811751
@Andreas-he-her- What do you mean that the rejection is "actively harmful"? I'm happy to look at it, if you want an authoritative opinion. :-)
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@Andreas-he-her- link?
08:38
The person didn't just mark my edit as unnecessary, but damaging to the question. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/24811751
Sorry, but what just happened? My message got overriden even though I didn't post it as an edit?
user3956566
I wouldn't worry about that, unless it's a pattern
@Andreas-he-her- not really "damaging the question", but rather "deviates from the original intent". I think your edit was fine. The only thing I am not certain about, but that's because I don't know the involved technologies, is the removal of the tag. All your grammar and formatting issues were proper imo
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yep I'm not convinced the tag should go either
@Andreas-he-her- The rejection reason to which I thought you were referring doesn't have any significant consequences. And your edit wasn't even rejected for that reason. It was just rejected by that reviewer for deviating from the post's original intent. I imagine that the reason they did that is that you corrected a typo in the code, which you generally shouldn't do for questions, lest you mask an error that is relevant to one or more of the answers.
Otherwise, your edit is good.
Swift is a programming language that happens to run on several platforms. Which platform the question asker ran their code on, is totally irrelevant.
08:41
@Andreas-he-her- Not saying that you damaged, but you need to be extremely careful with changing code. Even if it fixes the code, or maybe especially then.
@CodyGray I also assumed that their rejection may have been because of the typo in the code, but that itself doesn't matter to the question. If there's no significant consequence, then I'm fine with this.
None of the edit rejection reasons have any special consequence, other than having your edit rejected. :-)
Even the "spam" rejection reason. It doesn't apply any spam penalties, unlike the spam flag on posts.
The suggested edits review queue is...hit or miss.
@CodyGray Assumed there'd been programmed some consequences into having edits rejected for these reasons.
I don't do any of the programming here.
I just delete everyone's questions.
Yeah, I corrected it.
08:44
@Andreas-he-her- There might be a notice on your next editing proposal, "Your last one was refused, please think." I got one of those and probably absolutely everybody, too. So, think - and you are fine.
Right? How useful is that? A message saying, "Attention: someone on the Internet disagreed with you. Please take note!"
@Andreas-he-her- just to add to what has been said, you could do a more thorough grammatical check next time. You capitalised "i", but missed removing the capitalisation of "It" as second word in the sentence, nor did you capitalise "this". I assume you know these things, as you do capitalise "i", so please take care of those things in the future as well. The edit-suggestion mantra is: try to fix everything at once, not just a single small thing
It is for the unlikely possibility that they might have a good reason. ;-)
@Andreas-he-her- Submitted an edit to that question, by the way. Fixing everything, like @Adriaan suggested.
08:50
@Adriaan I found the middle paragraph a mess, and was a little unsure of the actual meaning. I'd already read all the answers and comments, and seen the replies from the questioner, so that I knew that my editing was in no way harmful.
I just find it unusual only accepting 40% of all reviewed edits, and that rejecting based on that that the edit is allegedly damaging, is harmful to the site and users. Now that I know there's no consequence to any of the editors, I'll be ignoring this in the future.
user3956566
@Andreas-he-her- if there's a pattern of what seems to be incorrect edit reviewing you can flag it for moderator attention, but if it's a one off edit and falls into the region of understandable why the reviewer chose that option, then best to not worry
Am I the only one that's been multiple times logged out, during the last 30 minutes?
I am not especially concerned with someone who has stats suggesting they reject more edits than they accept. That's probably more likely to be someone who is reviewing correclty.
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@Andreas-he-her- again: the edit wasn't damaging or harmful, it was "deviating from the original intent", which is an entirely different close reason
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@CodyGray I would actually skip the good edits so I could focus on and reject the bad edits - when I was reviewing regularly
08:57
I don't know the quality of the suggested edits being submitted, but I'd thought that edit suggestions are unlikely to be of a low quality.
@Andreas-he-her- You would have thought wrong. We give people a textbox on the Internet. What could possibly go wrong? Let your imagination run wild.
And then, sadly, realize that whatever you've imagined is not as bad as reality, since reality is people abusing inline code formatting for all kinds of nonsense that is not actually code.
@CodyGray mhm. I assumed wrongly, then.
 
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12:47
Hey! What do you think about this answer? Is it worth flagging as NAA and VTC the question as a duplicate of the question posted in the answer?
I'd say yee :)
Done. Hope my flags won't be rejected - That's an old question
o/
in case you are running out of things to click on, I just close voted a bunch of questions which should be in a review queue near you
Accidentally clicked wrong button on a review, left open instead of close, should I forget it and move on or is there a quick way to fix my mistake? I went back and I don't see any option to change.
@MattK move on; you cannot retract reopen votes currently
@MattK You can't change a review action. Just move on
Ah, my heart will go on.
What's really ironic is I'm listening to bittersweet symphony right now.
14:45
So Nathan is really the king of the world right now
Can't one go back, visit the direct post link and add a close vote in this case?
@Machavity Now? ALWAYS
@Selaron Ya that seems like it worked. Thanks!
@Selaron You can, but that doesn't change the review action.
15:04
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica That's true. But in the very rare situation if a mod picks this review to reason a review ban, you can proof you knew it was a mistake and tried to correct it. I've had some madness with this in a differend review queue. These where my faults and I lerned from them (hopefully;)
Yeah, there is that.
IIRC we don't do cv-pls old questions here? Then what can be done with them? I think flags usually just age away.
@user202729 you can if a new answer (or does the A in NATO = activity?) is posted on that question - just side-tag it with NATO, otherwise just vote to close and wait, now that it's perma 3-votes, it might be reviewed quicker :)
Aging away may have gotten better now that 3 CVs are enough to close a question.
15:17
@user202729 Well now that it only requires 3 votes it is much more likely to be closed in the review queue.
You can also always post a meta question to get something old closed, but I wouldn't do that often. once we see how this 3 close votes does we may open up to older requests
15:43
Should this question be closed? It was asked 8,66 years ago, but has not received any response other than two upvotes. It's about the old Safari Extensions API, which was deprecated in 2016. An answer to that question is not gonna be useful to anyone, anymore.
@Andreas-he-her- Not been active since, so no need to do anything about it.
@Andreas-he-her- Why would you want to close it? If it is not useful then this is what downvotes are for.
@Dharman Cleanup? Perhaps it's best just listening to @Adriaan.
Maybe I didn't think that through.
@Andreas-he-her- meh, it has a view count of just 60 per year. It's not very visible, and not hurting anyone with it being there. Better spend votes on actually harmful stuff
^ That. If it contained any security vulnerability then I would see some benefit in getting it closed or even deleted.
15:49
Good idea.
(self-advertising)
16:07
@NicholasK don't the answers hold value? First has explanations, and dash's has lots of examples
Pretty sure there will be better questions and answers for that kind of question
16:40
@Machavity You can also mod-flag the reviewer so that mods know about them.
stackoverflow.com/questions/59250628/… -- This question contains a handful of phone numbers (those that start as +336...)
@baudsp not much we can do
I left a comment
mod flag
I doubt if that will be granted
but it is worth a try
16:54
@rene well its the only real way to deal with posted pii
@robsiemb true, if you convince the mod it is PII
 
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18:26
@DavidW Actually seems to be a quite rude term related to India/Pakistan
@Machavity Yes, I probably should have said rude/abusive. I meant spam in the sense of "spamming a hashtag", but either way it should go
@Machavity May I have SD privileges on SOCVR?
18:53
@JL2210 I've raised your request in the RO backchannel. Expect a response in 6 to 8 ...
Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Centuries? Eons? ...
Yes
@JL2210 rene never gives sharp answers, unless C is involved
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19:27
Oh - and of course a friendly "Have lovely spring morning Wednesday!" to all /o
19:58
@GertArnold OP seems to be asking if there is a required namespace for running some module, not asking for an off-site resource recommendation.
@Machavity Everything else is a blur
Should probably organize some spectacles so at least then he can C-sharp.
@GertArnold The two deleted answers consist of one being deleted incorrectly as a link-only answer, and one being self-deleted for unknown reasons.
though I do think the answer rightfully self-deleted, as OP states they can't use EF Core, and the answer requires EF Core
maybe someone else in C# (@rene?) can weigh in and give a second opinion
@TylerH Isn't that a just an off-site resource though? Asking for a "NuGet package?" or "any other MySql provider".
The off-site resource recommendation is intended to ward against questions like "what IDE or tutorial do you recommend for X", not questions like "what's the official download location of Y" or "Is there an official Z namespace for .NET Core 3?" Shog provided clarification on this a while back; I'll have to see if I can find it
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Anyway, in this case, Erik's answer appears to provide a detailed solution: "there is no official resource; you'll need to ask the vendor to create one". Once one is created, someone could come along and provide another answer stating "they've just published an official namespace for this which you can obtain here: <insert link>"
@GertArnold I gave that question an edit. I don't think it is an off-site resource request in the spirit of the site.
@TylerH there used to be an opensource provider. It might still be open source.
20:14
@TylerH OK guys thanks for the heads up. I think in this case there could indeed be a canonical resource. So RO remove?
 
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@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica That doesn’t need to be closed. It needs to be edited. It may be phrased as a recommendation question, but it is not inherently one. It is just asking, “How do I…?”
It isn’t going to solicit opinion-based answers. It just wants to know how to do something programmatically. The answer will either be an API, a hack, or “this is not possible.”
For the LinkedIn question?
That Q is reasonably constrained for me. It's like asking if there is a standard library function that does X.
Yes. The request that I replied to.
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica I am looking to build a Twitter for cats. Is there a standard library function for this? Do you know about it? Please halp! It’s urgent.
@CodyGray You want std::abort
21:38
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica I tried that, but it didn’t work :-(
Oh, it did. It did exactly what it was supposed to do ;)
Still, the fact that a link-only post actually answers the question kind of suggests that there’s something wrong with the question, and it’s too late to edit without invalidating the answer.
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica An answer naming an API is not a link-only answer (which is why I hate that term)
No reasonable edit would invalidate that answer. It isn’t a great answer, and I imagine it could either be improved or a new one posted.
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@CodyGray Asking for off site resources is off topic for Stack Overflow... ;)
@Chipster While I know full well what you meant, that is...not a good way of explaining it. It suggests the only thing you can do on Stack Overflow is ask duplicate questions so someone can identify an on-site resource.
Literally everything here is asking for help with an off-site resource. What we aren’t is a recommendation engine.
user10957435
21:52
@CodyGray That's true. I think that close reason often gets misunderstood as that. Side note: TylerH explains that very thing on the my sidebar right now.
Huh, how about that. I’m on mobile, so no sidebar. However, there’s @TylerH.
user10957435
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This 3-vote close threshold is working beyond my wildest dreams.
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22:02
@Makyen Is the Roomba forecaster working correctly? I don't think this question will be picked by roomba, but it says it will roomba in 0 days. stackoverflow.com/questions/36534512/…
@Dharman Seems like it doesn't know its closed as dupe
22:15
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@CodyGray Indeed, it's nice to finally have it. I'm interested to see how Shog presents his suggestion for consensus close votes on top of 3CVs
^^ "StackOverflow is not friendly to new user" Should this be edited out?
@CodyGray Quick question. If a user posts' is plagiarism, and before I flag they self delete, should I still mod flag or assume they learned their lesson?
22:33
@Dharman Absolutely, yes. Meta-commentary does not belong in answers. If someone has a problem they can moan in the comments (if they have to) or bring it to Meta (better).
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica probably a judgment call. I can see some mods appreciating the info and being interested in looking further at the user's activity, but I can see others saying "meh, they self-deleted, so there's no issue to address here".
@Dharman Yep
If you need editing backup on this sort of thing, I am happy to comment or co-edit if you want.
@TylerH I already checked their other posts and there is no plagiarism so I figured I'd just let it be.
@halfer I was only going to remove the noise.
I should mention we do ask in the room rules (see #22) that users do not pile-on in comments. (cc @Dharman @halfer) Just as a cautionary point of interest.
22:39
For low traffic questions such as stackoverflow.com/q/59270616/1092820, Is this chat room a good place to ask if someone is willing to cast a reopen vote?
thanks!
@Ruzihm For recently active/asked questions where you are not the asker or an answerer, yes, you may ask for a [tag:reopen-pls] w/ a link to the question (preferably using that markup in the chat message).
Users here can then visit the question and decide whether they agree it is worth reopening
@TylerH Don't we only apply the time limit to cv-pls?
@TylerH thanks!
@Dharman SE messed with the response which the SE API provides in the closed_reason and closed_details.reason. I don't know why they would change that. It's not intended as a human-readable field. So, yes, it currently won't recognize that a question is closed as a duplicate. This will be the case for at least Roomba Forecaster and the URRS. Thanks for noticing and reporting the problem.
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica I thought it was close and open votes but that's just a recollection; I could well be wrong; I only know for sure that it doesn't apply to delv-pls
(In this case it doesn't matter as the question was asked only a few hours ago)
22:44
Pretty sure it's just cv-pls it applies to. I know I have no issue reopening an old salvaged question. We don't get enough of that.
@Makyen That is good to know. It means that I will need to update my personal script too.
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica I would agree, given a few seconds of consideration. Though I will remain open-minded either way for now :-)
The time-limit was only intended to apply to cv-pls. We're happy to reopen any question which has been salvaged.
@TylerH Good shout, thanks
I am not sure I remember reading that one, I probably need to have a re-read
23:00
@halfer Do we need a rule requiring re-reading of the rules periodically? :-D
23:19
@TylerH And a jolly good tarring and feathering for non-compliant room dwellers!
@Dharman Can we have real close reasons please :=p
Ah, apologies - it is a delete request
@halfer The question was already closed. There are no standard delete reasons though.
I'll take a tarring and feathering for that too plz
23:45
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica If you commented on it and pointed out that it’s plagiarism, then it’s reasonable to interpret their self-deletion as having learned their lesson. As such, it isn’t necessary to mod-flag, as all we’ll do for the first offense is delete and warn. However, if the answer was deleted without anyone mentioning plagiarism, then I’d assume they haven’t learned not to plagiarize, and that a mod flag is warranted.
@halfer Heating up the tar now. (You’d think we’d keep this stuff ready and on hand.)
(please let me know if I did that wrong)
@CodyGray Putting on my protective goggles and wetsuit on now
@Ruzihm Looks good to me
@halfer thanks!
@halfer Wetsuit? I don’t think you understand how tarring and feathering works… That isn’t going to help.
@CodyGray Well, I am expecting the tar to be pretty warm, so I thought I would sit in a cold bath first. Hopefully the wetsuit will retain some of the cold water.
If it helps any, the feathers will probably still stick
23:56
Seems likely to ruin a perfectly good wetsuit. what did that wetsuit do to you?

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