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1:18 AM
Is there a reason to be deleting these questions so quickly? A couple of those have been deleted within minutes or hours of when they were posted, or of when they were closed. That seems to, potentially, not give the OP enough time to even see that their question is closed prior to deletion. Why do these need to be fast-tracked for deletion?
Even if they were to see their question was closed, does it matter? It's not like they can improve it, to get around the clear duplicates?
@FrankerZ It matters in that it results in a very negative user experience. From the POV of other users on the site, it matters because it makes it more likely that the OP just re-asks the question or asks about it on Meta, because they have no information as to what happened. Remember, it's difficult for people to find their deleted posts and many people don't figure out how to see their recent deleted posts without being explicitly told how to do so.
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But they can still view their question
Regardless of if it was deleted or not
@SotiriosDelimanolis ^ This convo is related to your deletion requests, that I personally agreed with, if you want to chime in.
@FrankerZ They can view it, if they can find the URL or a link to it. It's not listed in the normal list of their questions. They have to click through to another page in order to see it. The two links to the pages showing their list of recent deleted questions or answers isn't very obvious and many people miss it.
@FrankerZ I'd look at this question the other way around: Why does it matter that these be deleted quickly (i.e. right now)? Is there any harm in the question sticking around for a couple/few days once it was closed?
I don't want it to become a signpost, to be deleted by google. These are poor quality questions, some of which are clear duplicates, and wont be deleted by roomba. If I see content that should be removed from the site, why should I wait?
1:39 AM
@FrankerZ I don't understand what you mean by "become a signpost, to be deleted by google". I'm not trying to pick a nit, just trying to understand why you feel there's more benefit to deleting now rather than waiting a relatively short time.
1:51 AM
@Makyen @FrankerZ Most of my delete-pls come 2 days after the closure so others can vote. By then, the OP has either accepted an answer, replied that they "get it now" or haven't done anything to improve their question (in the non duplicate cases). For the 20k+ requests, I'll usually wait to have some signal that the OP has an answer, except in the abusively bad cases.
Why does it matter that these be deleted quickly I don't want to keep them bookmarked forever :\
 
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6:46 AM
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Q: Delete [cytoscape-web] tag

Stephan T.The libary called cytoscape-web has been replaced by cytoscape.js. I have seen some questions tagged with both tags, some just with the outdated one, so this would get rid of some confusion (Still many questions are also tagged with the desktop version of cytoscape)

7:21 AM
/o
8:24 AM
@dur I already had voted off-topic, but now found a possible duplicate: Allow semicolon only for some specific url in Spring Security 5 i.e. StrictHttpFirewall?
 
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9:59 AM
morn o/
Plop!
 
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11:29 AM
Hey everyone o7
12:28 PM
No shame
1:47 PM
o/
3:53 PM
@Chipster This is something that many people have asked for and that Shog has basically said is a good idea and one that we should implement. Inexplicably, we don't have such an implementation yet (much like the 3 CV implementation based on the resounding success of the respective experiment just a few months ago). Suffice to say, the powers that be are aware of the desire and the details, and the only thing holding them up is... them.
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5:07 PM
^is real err code?
look like real code to me
aha geez, that is an ugly error code haha
@tink I threw a delete vote at that as well since it wont be roomba'd
Man, Bill Gates saying he'd have to do some calculations on 'how much he'd have left over' if forced to pay $100 billion in taxes has me rolling my eyes right out of my sockets.
I'd have to work more than 100,000 years at my current salary to earn as much as what he'd have 'left over' (and that's assuming I don't have any tax withholding...)
 
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@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica - cheers :)
And good moaning everyone! /o
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6:57 PM
@TylerH hey, I worked out your salary. Not bad.
The numbers are shocking though. Nobody needs that much money.
@Dharman Not likely, considering I left it vague on purpose :-P (e.g. "over"; "more than") (my salary is not 80k -- I wish)
1 question moved as it's an invalid request - reopened by a moderator and merged w/ destination posts
8:02 PM
Need second opinion on if this is a code wall (No MVCE) stackoverflow.com/questions/58921641
Yeah not minimal
also possibly a duplicate
@tink Definitely moaning at some of the questions posted on SO today...
Wow, didn't even realize I read tink's greeting in a southern US accent lol
8:28 PM
@Das_Geek You're becoming one of us...
@TylerH Is that a bad thing?
@Das_Geek rene used to be a mere wallflower, now look at him
@Das_Geek Best left as an exercise to the reader :-)
8:34 PM
@TylerH Oof, flashbacks to my university days
@Machavity I tried looking at rene, but it hurt my eyes
@CodyGray You probably need to get a new prescription for your glasses, then
@Machavity I was about to compose a serious response about how being a wallflower isn't really a bad thing, but then I stopped and smelled the roses
@Das_Geek somebody already wrote that book
@CodyGray I think I saw the movie once? Maybe?
rene's real name is Stephen Chbosky?
8:40 PM
Can flowers even write?
The blurry ones can. They're crafty
But they have problems staying focused.
Don’t we all
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Mod doxing users! runs off to Meta
8:44 PM
gathers pointy things and flammable sticks
Wait, when did we make Nathan a mod?
Was there a ceremony I missed? With pointy things?
A few years ago...
I don't like wearing jewelry so I leave the diamond at home ;)
Diamonds are ? best friend...
You mean this one? �
8:50 PM
Black hexagon with a question mark? Looks right to me.
@CodyGray Yep
Guess it's time to start another rewatch
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Hey @CodyGray, can you please merge this into its first duplicate?
8:57 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Sure, but the first duplicate is itself a duplicate. Should that also be merged?
Nah, I wouldn't @CodyGray Names are different enough to worth the signpost
The 3rd isn't
It's turtles all the way down. lol
@SotiriosDelimanolis Do note that we do ask you to refrain from asking mods to do mod things unless it is part of a discussion you are having with the mod.
Like, discussions about TF2 or Python
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica Ahh, my bad. I would've flagged but noticed they were here. I'll refrain in future, sorry.
9:01 PM
Meh. It’s a great policy, but I don’t mind too much if I’m actively chatting here.
@Kyll Team Fortress 2?
yas
@SotiriosDelimanolis No worries. We just have it as a room policy so lurking mods don't get inundated with requests if they just want to hang out and chat.
Where do lurking mods go if we want to get inundated with requests?
9:02 PM
like "why was may flag denied, blah blah blah"
@CodyGray I wasn't sure so I just wanted to remind them.
here's my personal number : 555-1888-2020
lol
Depends. Are you looking for mod mod things to do, or love?
@Machavity I’m always looking for love… I do mod things to fill my empty heart.
9:03 PM
@CodyGray We need a 1-800-ask-amod room that you guys can hang out in when you are taking request ;)
What is this place?
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica we could call it “The Flag Queue”
@rene Imagine a chat of sight and sound, a chat, where reality does not exist. The signpost on the door ahead... you've entered The Open Zone
That explains it
9:05 PM
@Nkosi We have that place. It’s called Meta.
:)
Sometimes, mods even respond.
Well, without Meta, life would be dull
I never understand these YouTube links.
I've seen screenshots of mod inboxes...Itchy and Scratchy looks like Peppa Pig compared to those
9:11 PM
@CodyGray Context
Still don’t see what that has to do with Meta or moderators. Don’t feel bad. I don’t understand what emojis are supposed to mean, either.
:D
Meh. I'll leave it be, or else I'll have to explain UTF-8, and ain't nobody got time for that
@CodyGray Itchy and scratchy is a violent exciting show to watch in the Simpsons universe. That one episode was very dull in comparison to the others so that is why it was used as an example of something dull
@CodyGray The point being that Itchy and Scratchy is a very violent show, but that's part of the entertainment in watching it. Removing all the violence, as shown in the linked video, removes that entertainment factor and leaves little else to enjoy. The comparison was made to Meta, which is often contentious and gets out of hand frequently; without those issues, though, interacting with the site would become less enjoyable.
This comparison, of course, was made in a tongue-in-cheek manner, and can be boiled down to a jab at Meta itself.
9:21 PM
I see. I like words.
I find them familiar and comforting.
I like pictures. They are worth thousands of words
Problem is, everyone’s assignment of words to pictures is different
9:38 PM
@Das_Geek let me remind you that Zalgo is considered noisy formatting and our rule 7 in the FAQ asks users to refrain from using that kind of formatting.
@rene Thanks for the reminder; feel free to remove the message.
Wow, there are rules for everything
There are...a lot of items on the FAQ. From what I remembered I had thought the "noise" rule had mainly applied to posting inline images rather than hyperlinks
I can't check the FAQ website while at work, unfortunately. The web filter blocks access to it as a "chat site". The irony is palpable.
Yeah, there’s a confusing overlap between rules 6 and 7. I assume rule 6 is meant to exclude oneboxing of images, while rule 7 is considering posts?
yeah, I'm always lost between those rules ...
9:43 PM
Yeah I remember the oneboxing rule, as I don't believe I had seen that term before reading the FAQ
I'll see if I can make them more clear in the coming week.
Thanks @Machavity
It is a term invented here to refer to what our chat system does automatically. Kind of ironic we have to have rules forbidding the use of a feature of the system.
9:45 PM
In a "regular" chatroom they might be fine but here we ended up with Meta being copied over in one-boxes ...
the actual discussion was boxed
huh
Like, a screenshot of comments?
On every topic there are at least 6 to 8 meta posts and most of the folks here have those in their favorites, so when a topic comes up, instead of exchanging ideas, opinions, discuss issues, we were posting links to meta posts. All of us ....
That escalated quickly
hence the rule.
Gotcha, makes sense. Thanks for explaining
yw
Why was the decision made to ban oneboxes, as opposed to just banning Meta? Seems like that would address the issue at its source. :-p
9:50 PM
True
You weren't chatting back then so we missed your input :)
One does not simply burn down meta
Wouldn't links to meta be useful sometimes in arriving at consensuses?
Or were these used for non-CV-related topics?
@Das_Geek yes, if you include them with your consensus as a link.
The links are fine, it is the onebox that is an issue. You can post a link and not have it one box by adding some extra text to the message
Ah, okay. Basically, it's a rule against link-only answers.
Just like on SO :D
9:53 PM
Well, it’s a rule against cluttering the screen with a bunch of noise. A textual link is far less disruptive than a big image or excerpt from Meta.
Don’t let my attempts at humor confuse you.
@Makyen I don't suppose you know the uBO syntax for blocking a specific <script> element by ID in a page's <head>, do you?
I've tried url##^script:has-text(text here) but that targets text inside the script and also doesn't seem to work
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10:13 PM
Is it ok to ask for del-pls for a question like stackoverflow.com/questions/58861943/… which roomba will take care of it in a week or so?
@TylerH Unfortunately, I don't know that off the top of my head, but I can check for it.
@M-- It's permitted to post a del-pls for it, but I don't see why it needs to go now, rather than wait to be Roomba'd. In general, there's no need to spend delete votes on things which will Roomba soon. In addition, it's beneficial to allow the OP the opportunity to edit their question (even though most won't do so). Admittedly, in this case, they've already had 4 days, but I'm not seeing the harm in allowing it to remain until the Roomba deletes it.
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alrighty, ty
np. There could be good reasons to have it gone sooner, but I'm not seeing anything for this question. It might be that I'm just missing something.
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@Makyen nah, I think it can wait to get roomba'd. Running the "Current solution posted by OP" would freeze your computer for like ~10-30 seconds, but it's not like an infinite loop or anything. Thanks again.
10:29 PM
@Makyen no worries. If you happen upon it, I'd be happy to get some help, but I can just disable JS in the interim (though it'd be good to have a solution to lean on for any given website without having to rely on such a brute force tactic)
10:43 PM
@TylerH the html filter doesn't work on Chromium browsers, and FF<57
10:53 PM
@TylerH Heh ... I can totally relate. Sometimes I'm amazed that people with such poor literacy actually manage to find SO =D
11:20 PM
@TylerH I generally haven't found the need to block single JavaScript elements w/o blocking other scripts from the same domain. I'm surprised the site uses a <script> with an actual id attribute. That's very accommodating of them. The vast majority of <scrip> elements I've seen on sites have no identifying information, other than the src. Personally, I do add IDs, or a class, when adding such elements through userscripts, but that's mostly for debugging/convenience.
For normal browsing, I use NoScript, with JavaScript blocked by default on all sites. I then whitelist domains from which I'll accept JavaScript (easily done with a couple of clicks). Most of the time, the main functionality of a site is through scripts from different domains than the advertisements, tracking, etc. Only permitting selected sites significantly reduces the crud that's displayed on many sites.
For sites where I don't want any blocking, which is sometimes necessary, I'll just use a different profile that's set up to not have blocking enabled.

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