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9:00 AM
Please stop defacing your question. If you don't want it up anymore, there's a delete button under the tags. If that doesn't work because of the answer, flag your question to ask a moderator to delete it for you. — Sotirios Delimanolis 7 hours ago
I don't think mods will delete content, will they?
 
@tripleee they can disassociate the question from the user, and redact info if warranted. Outright deletion probably won't happen, as there is a positive scoring answer on it
 
9:49 AM
@Adriaan yep, that's what I thought; thanks
@SotiriosDelimanolis ^
 
10:21 AM
Plop folks
 
10:40 AM
o/
 
o/
 
11:53 AM
@RiggsFolly ninja'd ;p
 
@treyBake Again with the Ninja'd I dont get what you mean by Ninja'd :)
 
@RiggsFolly haha I posted that q cv-pls a few up :p (just means someone gets in before you)
 
@treyBake Oh right, now I get it. Haha. Old and slow I guess :)
 
@RiggsFolly haha don't worry, I had to ask too when I first saw it, and I'd like to think I'm not old yet :p
 
12:12 PM
^is asked more like a general computing .. maybe salvageable but... not 100%
close reasons have changed (or at least at label level)
 
@double-beep thanks :)
 
Extremely interesting
 
12:19 PM
thanks @double-beep for assisting with those links.
 
BEEP BOOP I am a bot
;)
 
Brave bot ;)
 
Morning
 
@double-beep Are you feeling OK? You only had one beep there
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@rene Did I miss something about the new OT closure reasons as well?
 
@Machavity could be. Our focus might have been elsewhere for the past 6 to 8 weeks
 
"Too Broad" is now "Needs more focus" and "Unclear" is now "Needs details or clarity"
This will be fun to sort out in userscripts (cc @Makyen)
 
@Machavity Especially as it only affects 50% of users atm
 
^ that
 
Feeling like a second class netizen as I am obviously in the the OTHER half who are not seeing the new stuff :( :(
 
12:47 PM
ditto
A-B Experiments again. sigh
 
I'm glad i'm using dark mode on chrome... they look much better dark
Is the updated close reason text the same users or was that changed for everyone?
 
off-topic reasons also changed
ninja'd
 
I've seen them, I mean do they affect everyone or only the users that can see the new banners
 
sharpening pitch fork and oiling torch....
 
12:52 PM
That seems like an improvement, so what's the glaring hole in the new close reasons that I don't see?
Oh, yeah, "needs details or clarity" doesn't really cut it if the question barely qualifies as human speech
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@JohnDvorak naah, because if it's not understandable - it has no clarity :p
 
Is there an issue with the new set then?
 
there was a bug in the descriptions but that's fixed now - not sure if anything else :S
 
hello
 
Plop Andras, you tread these grounds now?
 
12:57 PM
o/
 
Yeah, brought my new pitchfork. What's up with the new close vote reasons? "It's caused by a problem that can no longer be reproduced. While similar questions may be on-topic here, this one was resolved in a way less likely to help future readers." Where's the typo??
Was there a meta about these? Couldn't find one.
 
The same post
"... is also touching other related content like the wording used in the close menu giving guidance on off-topic reasons..."
 
hmmmm
 
@Machavity Oh great. This is going to be fun.
 
@NickAthePopcornKing ugh, yeah, that's just like how the mandatory arbitration was mentioned
 
1:00 PM
The reopen and CV queues have had their flagged as/closure reasons updated too
 
Did nobody realise that rewriting the close reasons from scratch will affect moderation?
these are more than just labels
 
I already have to think about which one means unclear and which one means TB
 
Kinda feels like Needs More Focus = Needs More Detail
(just minus the clarity part)
 
OK, asked on the MSE post about close reasons
 
Damned I'm in the wrong 50%, I need an other account!
 
1:06 PM
bah
and "no MCVE" no longer links to [mcve], yay!
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah, I noted that one
 
@AndrasDeak it now links to [meta]?
 
@DragandDrop Normally people complain about not being in the 1%, not the 50% ;-)
 
@Machavity ah, that's the meta I couldn't find, thanks
 
1:16 PM
actually they want feedback on MSE...ugh
 
In this case, it's understandable. Every site has close votes. I only posted that one on MSO because they rejiggered the site-specific OT reasons
 
What is up with the protected banner now? i.stack.imgur.com/52e7v.png How much reputation do I need to answer it?
 
@Dharman 100
 
Lmao, I hope that show's "Since you have 1,140,486 ..." for Jon Skeet
 
@Dharman I'm assuming it will tell you if you don't have enough and how much you need. Can you check using an incognito window?
 
1:20 PM
@NathanOliver Unless they hid the announcement somewhere, should still be 10
 
@NickAthePopcornKing I can't wait till it overflows. Since you have -2,456,789 ...
 
And that 10 excludes the site association bonus
 
@Machavity Doh. I confused CW with protected
 
@NickAthePopcornKing The site just says "Since you are Jon Skeet, you can answer this question"
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1:34 PM
Good morning everyone! Feeling like a Monday with a drive-by downvote to start the day :-)
@Dharman you need at least 10 reputation (association bonus doesn't count) to answer protected questions.
 
@TylerH you're welcome!
 
aand I see I was ninja'd long ago by Mach and Nathan
 
2:04 PM
@treyBake you've been pinged on main as well, but this post has been edited by OP. Does it include an MCVE now?
 
If someone has RTFM in their answer, should we be editing it out? Doesn't seem to fit with being nice.
 
@TylerH wait what? who? when? most likely why?
 
@NathanOliver yes,
 
@NathanOliver relevant comment from Cody
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2:12 PM
@NathanOliver I suggest changing it to "relevant search terms" or "recommended resources" or something
 
I just took it out completely as it was not needed.
 
@treyBake you can click the arrow to the left of my comment if you are still struggling :-)
 
@TylerH game changer - ty xD
 
OK, time to start the counter on how many times I jump to a question that is closed, land on it, scroll right past the new close banner to the bottom of the question to look for the old banner, only to realize it's back up at the top now...
 
Going to take some time to retrain that muscle memory
 
2:24 PM
I'd say... that it's still closable.
 
oh yeah, and it's a good thing Closey isn't active right now... Our average review times would skyrocket
 
@TylerH It does't stand out. The blue color is easily ignored
 
Trying to make sense of all the new verbiage in the close modals
 
@Dharman I think that's intentional. They wanted to make it "more welcoming" for people who have their question closed.
 
New verbiage, same result: CLOSE ALL TEH THINGZ
 
I also don't like changing "too broad" to "needs more focus" for two reasons: 1) it is longer/more words, so that's just a regression for those of us who type it a lot (even just the acronym... TB -> NMF), and 2) the new wording much more strongly suggests that the question is ultimately a good idea for posting on SO and just needs a bit more work whereas many questions are just inherently Too Broad and no amount of editing is going to bring them within scope.
 
2:48 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis could the target question's title be improved a bit? Right now I'm not seeing how someone with the question posed in the dupe title could possibly find the target via a search
oh, nvm, I see they have an unformatted error message at the bottom of their post
 
3:26 PM
I'm really not liking the new auto comment when you hammer a Q closed.
 
@NathanOliver Who doesn't like noise generators?
 
a comment like that could (maybe, perhaps, possibly) work as a replacement for the old dupe suggestion comment, but for hammering...ugh
I'm glad we're still improving user experience without sacrificing moderation and quality
 
@NathanOliver "We recently closed one of your questions. Please take this short survey about your closure experience."
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@Machavity I think I'm going to get a bad review since it is going to be along the line of: "That a**hole hit me with a hammer. How is that welcoming!?!?!?!?"
 
3:37 PM
Time to rename dupehammer to StormCloser
 
4:09 PM
@Machavity Whee
@NathanOliver oh? Link?
 
@TylerH It's a bug that will hopefully be fixed soon: meta.stackexchange.com/a/337019/291223
 
I mean... Needs More Clarity / Needs More Focus - such a hand/mouth-ful to type that :S
 
@NathanOliver yea i know but wanted to answer fast and then edit — MichaÅ‚ Krzysztof Feiler 1 min ago
sigh
 
What's worse is, I see that all the time with high-rep users :/
 
4:25 PM
high-reps are the worst ...
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Totally agree. Down with Jon Skeet and his Rep monopoly!!!
 
are we seizing the means of (rep) production?
 
@NathanOliver oh that. I didn't realize it was also added for mjolnirs
 
@TylerH An auto comment is always added when the vote goes through. The delete script is supposed to clean it up but it's bugged right now. before the bug it would cause you to see a 1 more comment when someone hammers but when you click to review it the page refreshes and you see it was closed.
Also, you edit was fine.
 
Oh good I were worried
 
4:44 PM
 
5:03 PM
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by SmokeDetector
@treyBake: It seems this is your first time sending feedback to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.
not sure why was posted in CHQ
 
@double-beep huh, not sure :S (but ty for making me aware^)
 
user10957435
So is there a meta post explaining all the new changes? I just noticed the new color and verbiage. Did they announce it somewhere?
 
see the pinned message
 
user10957435
@AndrasDeak Oh. I just needed to look at the starred messages. Thanks.
 
5:22 PM
@double-beep Yes, those notices go to CHQ. They get posted the first time the user gives feedback per chat server. It's not clear how useful those notices are, given that they aren't posted as a reply to the feedback received, and are likely to be in the wrong room. (cc @treyBake)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre "(...) there are five weekdays each week." interesting weeks they have across the pond
 
Let me guess: We're sorry you cannot close this question as we have not made enough money off it yet. please come back in 48 hours when nobody cares anymore
 
user10957435
@NathanOliver lol.
 
@RiggsFolly I think I would like to answer that question, and I do not see how this is a typo. Could you explain please? Maybe I should not try to answer it.
 
 
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8:48 PM
Roomba Forecaster v2.2.1 (GitHub) (install): For now, just use the SE API on question pages. I expect to change back to scraping question pages once SE is done with their current changes.
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→ no messages moved to SOCVR Request Graveyard
 
Poor Rene. He's not dead yet!
 
Alright, who's the smartypants who made the Request Graveyard blurry??
 
9:18 PM
!!/blame
 
@NathanOliver-ReinstateMonica It's NathanOliver- Reinstate Monica's fault.
 
phew
^^ They did it
 
WAHHHHHHHHHHH
I'm being REPREXED!!!
 
\o
So, my current client is trying Stack Overflow for Teams. I like it.
 
It'll be interesting to see how my colleagues respond to it. Most devs (in my experience) are read-only users who don't ever contribute, so they may just stick with a half-hearted usage of Confluence (which IMO is not working for us).
 
10:11 PM
Hmm, I am finding the new close reasons a bit blurry!
 
10:39 PM
@Dharman Which is that question?
 
I see now how it is a typo
 
@Dharman And I didn't close it so there was nothing stopping you answering it anyway
 
No, I guess I looked at the question from a wrong angle, I just wanted to clarify whether it deserves to be closed as a typo, but I guess you are right. It is still not closed, and I could answer it, but is it worth my effort to provide more comprehensive answer?
 
@Dharman I guess TYPO is a bit of a stretch, but we dont have a "2 lazy to look at the manual" option :)
 
10:55 PM
@RiggsFolly I am still tempted to answer it, because there is a lot of information worth sharing on this matter. I know it is a lazy question, but the issue is interesting.
 
Go ahead
 
11:25 PM
We need a closure reason for "We are not free coding service, show us what you tried." For now I will use the blurry reason.
 
11:43 PM
FYI: I've added the ability to Smokey for rooms to turn the offensive title mask off. That's currently turned on for SOCVR, so y'all will get uncensored offensive titles. If y'all want that changed, poke me or someone else with Smokey code access (or PR it yourself, if you know what you're looking for).
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