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1:15 AM
@Braiam What's not said is that Firefox 69 automatically resets toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets to false, even if the preference was set to true prior to updating to FF69.
@Makyen Or, at least it did that in one profile, but not others.
 
 
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I've been asking myself for quite some time why I continue to
participate in the thankless task of SO moderation via SOCVR. The deluge
of "do my homework" and "explain basic syntax" questions is
disheartening. I highly value SO and have been mourning its severe
dilution by worthless content for a long time. The 3-CV experiment made
it slightly more bearable. However, if my canned comment (which gets
upvoted regularly) is now considered a "wall-o-text" that is too much
for delicate newcomers, it is clearly time for me to withdraw from the
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5:45 AM
@JimGarrison I agree that we should value users that still want to educate new users by providing info again for stuff those users obviously missed earlier. If there is a lot wrong in a question a lot of guidance is needed to be re-send. Unless sanctioned otherwise on Meta I would continue with that practice. It is not something we should discourage from SOCVR, IMO. Be open for feedback on improving and tuning your canned comments but don't take that as a signal to drop them all together.
@JimGarrison if anything, in your canned comment you mention and link the tour twice. I personally don't think the tour is that good/useful. Maybe replace the second mention with a direct link to the checklist?
 
@JimGarrison While the task of moderating SO is largely thankless, it is valuable. Doing that moderation in connection with SOCVR allows it to be more effective. The time and effort that you, and everyone here, put in is definitely appreciated by the others here, and by a large percentage of the visitors to Stack Overflow, even if they don't know who to thank for the fact that there are fewer bad questions on the site.
We'd prefer, and appreciate, you continuing to moderate SO and working with us here. If you really choose to discontinue that effort, your participation will certainly be missed.
It is, unfortunately, true that a significant percentage of people, particularly a higher percentage of those posting bad questions, have very short attention spans and little interest in reading anything of significant length which might help them to improve. However, there are a few who will read through the links they are provided in comments and actually improve.
I know that I've been told from time to time that my comments could be improved. While I have sometimes been reluctant, I think that the changes which have resulted from my rethinking comments have generally been improvements.
In this instance, I expect that a significant contributor to your comment being mentioned was that there was another comment right after yours with the same link that you used, and then a third comment from yet another person along the same lines.
 
the switch back to five close votes is certainly frustrating but I'm hopeful that the analysis will conclude that it's worth going back to three permanently
 
6:02 AM
speaking of wall-of-texts, good morning @Makyen ;)
 
Morning @rene. :-) If anyone should be the one complained about for having walls of text, it's probably me. :-)
 
you sure try to beat me in that race ....
 
I probably started earlier. I'd actually gotten most of that written, then had to step out for a bit prior to finishing up. :-;
 
do we have any stats from SOCVR from the 3cv experiment? my impression is that there were fewer requests here (and of course those which surfaced here were quickly handled)
 
@JimGarrison I agree with @rene. The main thing that struck me in your comment was the two links to the tour. While I understand the desire to link it in both places, the general suggestion I've seen is to link only once. While I personally think that Wikipedia's policy of only linking something once per page is going too far, I generally try to only link the same thing again if the other link(s) are far enough away such that the user has to go searching for the link when they want it.
@rene I like the idea of using that checklist. I really should use it in more of my comments. Thanks for reminding me about it.
@tripleee I haven't compiled any actual stats. However, it was quite clear that questions were being closed much faster. There was only a limited time when there were requests which were not completed prior to scrolling off the visible portion of the chat page. The search function of the URRS was not very useful, due to the requests being handled so quickly. :-) My impression is that we ROs were moving requests out of the room much more often in order to clear out completed requests.
 
7:02 AM
Ah, so we're back up to 5 votes again.
 
8:25 AM
o/
 
\o
 
9:05 AM
^has suggested edit which doesn't fix question and barely tries to format it
 
back to 5 now? Sad times.. quite liked the 3-vote system
 
9:40 AM
@Selaron I went with NAA (link only)
 
ok thanks
 
10:00 AM
1 more reason not to use McAfee
 
yep
 
yes
 
Going to uninstall McAfee :D
 
probably some sort of reseller schtick though, spammer gets commission for driving traffic to the legit site, possibly without the involvement or even in violation of the terms of the legit site
 
I am using snakeoil instead.
 
10:03 AM
what antivirus do peeps go for on Windows? Home machine recently moved OS to Windows (Linux doesn't game too well :/), got Avast for the time being, but.. no idea if that's actually doing the job xD
 
I am using ESET Internet Security which satisfies my needs
 
I just use windows defender and don't be an idiot...
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Honda use ESET? Sold xD
and that's the thing, I'm an idiot with downloads, far too trusting and excited over mods and stuff to not want to try xD
 
avg is free and works, although it conflicts a lot fwir
 
That spammer blatandly failed because it resulted in several alternatives being mentioned here.
 
10:12 AM
Oh the joys of a new week with 5-cv. How exhilarating.
<no, not in the least>
This is why we can't have nice things
 
I don't think the spammer has any hope or chance of swaying people who wonder whether there are alternatives; as far as I can tell, McAfee's only hope is the name recognition and the spam certainly feeds that
 
^I heard AVG is very money-grabby/ad-y nowadays
 
@treyBake That's how you make stuff free
 
haha good point
 
10:53 AM
@Shree how to uninstall mcafee youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg
 
edit that not to onebox
 
:D
 
11:32 AM
@Vega a Q you closed and VTD is on Meta
 
@double-beep Thank you!
 
@Selaron done
 
If I cast a close vote on a question, does that question go into close-vote-review-queue? AFAIK, if I flag to close it instead, the flag is converted to vote. And as this is just a vote, question will not be added to queue. Am I correct?
 
Zoe
@AmitJoshi it's always added to the queue
well, always as in regardless of the vote type. If it's in the queue already, it won't be re-added. Not sure if there's other criteria blocking it, but the type isn't one of them
 
@Zoe: Thanks.
 
I posted a answer to a question. It was deleted by a moderator for not meeting stack overflow standards. I made changes to the answer. Then it was approved again. Now the answer has no down vote. But i received -2 for that answer. what to do?
 
@IftifarTaz If you mean this answer, it has one down vote and no upvote.
 
@Selaron psst, -2 rep
 
Morning
 
Afternoon o/
 
12:26 PM
Evening \o
 
@IftifarTaz The original answer wasn't terribly useful. That's likely why it got the downvote. It's also quite possible that the downvoter will never return. Your current answer is decent now, but you also never get a second chance to make a first impression
I would chalk it up as a learning experience and move on
 
1:11 PM
@double-beep nod32 is pretty good I hear. Though Windows Defender built into Win10 is actually enterprise-grade
cc @treyBake
My company (hospital system) is in the process of migrating from McAfee to Windows Defender
 
@TylerH Although WinDef can hammer your harddisk if you run a large app (like a game containing a 10GB dat file which takes like 10min to scan and grinds the game to a halt while it does it)
So you need to make sure you set up whitelists where appropriate
 
^^ is WinDef enabled by default on Win10? Because if so that may explain my Hard Disc usage % sometimes xD if not, guess I'll join 21st century and get an SSD
 
@treyBake It is on by default. If you have another AV installed it should be disabled.
I'm pretty happy with Defender and have been using it exclusively at home for a couple years now. No infection yet crosses fingers
 
@NathanOliver ah, that may be my main issue! Will have to wait to get home to test
 
@JimGarrison The biggest issue I see with the canned comment is that it's an overwhelming amount of unrelated information, that's also a bit misleading -- I read the comment and it sounds like you're saying requests for help are off-topic on SO (they're obviously not). The comment critically doesn't identify an issue with the question, so the OP doesn't know what action to take based on said comment. In these cases, I don't think we can expect OP to read through five links-worth of pages.
Especially if OP has already read through some or all of them.
@treyBake Yes I believe so
I've been using Windows Defender exclusively at home as well. Before Win10, I didn't use any AV
Just like Hoot in Black Hawk Down, my finger's my trigger safety.
 
1:19 PM
I used to run Norton since it came free with my internet subscription but it was always a little heavy handed. Defender seems to do the same job at like half the cost.
 
@NickA Hmm, I've never had any negative impact from Windows Defender. I don't recall what my specific trimmings are, though, so ours may differ in critical ways. I typically have mine set to the most permissive settings, with the exception that any executable shows the prompt screen that interrupts the OS and asks for permission to run or not
 
Ow poo, the experiment with 3 CVs ended. Bummer
 
@TylerH It only started happening on my laptop after it started getting old, think it was triggered by an update, don't use the machine now and haven't had any issues with the desktop
 
is no MVCE for sure
and the username = swear but still.. username doesn't matter, should be placeholder (unless it's specially that keyword that breaks it)
 
2:07 PM
darn, SEDE doesn't cover chat
 
2:20 PM
@NathanOliver Just used close vote for now but very suspicious of seed
User has a similar post in bitcoin.SE which increases suspicion but that's outside our remit
 
It also hasn't been answered so it makes it less likely that is a spam seed.
 
@NathanOliver I've seen seeds that have been triggered days later
 
Ron
o/
 
2:24 PM
o/
 
@MichaelDodd I flagged the BC.SE one for closure
 
@Machavity ta
 
I think I ought to tell you that I am taking a hiatus from SO moderation (and contribution)
 
@Vega Ah, sorry to hear, thanks for everything you've done and for being here. Take care, and hopefully see you around again sometime :)
 
2:37 PM
^^good luck in your travels outside of the SO-world! :D
 
@Vega You will certainly be missed. I hope the hiatus is for good (as in fun) reasons. If it's for un-fun reasons, I hope they resolve quickly and in the manner you desire.
 
@Vega You will be missed; hope things go well during the hiatus!
 
2:58 PM
@Vega take care!
 
3:09 PM
Is it just me or are and exact duplicate tags?
 
maybe addressed here^
 
@TylerH Nah I disagree. There is a lot of overlap but I would not say exact duplicate.
 
@TylerH ASP.NET Core is for web apps, .NET Core is for desktop, I thought
 
asp.net core uses .net core. The modularized nature of the new framework can cause that confusion.
 
@Nkosi hm, the wiki excerpts do not do a good job at all of discerning between the two
 
3:12 PM
asp.net-core is when you want you .net-core right now. .net-core can take 6 to 8 to arrive by comparison ;)
 
@NickA I figured with the full rewrite they would also make it universal, a la UWP or something where you can use it for web or desktop
since they already had to change everything to make it work cross-OS
@treyBake also, thanks
 
@TylerH it conforms to dot net standard so yes some of it can be used universal
 
@TylerH nope, they are not
 
@TylerH Not my area of expertise, I work pretty much exclusively with windows and winforms
 
Ron
This looks spammish, don't you think?
 
3:17 PM
@Ron Not sure, I think it's a legitimate question but of course quite off-topic
 
@Ron Can't see any link (between them and site), I'd go with just misguided
 
the site they link to is a C++ site that offers certificates. SO used to have a ton of such questions back in 08/09/10 etc; over time they've become closed as POB
 
Ron
Cool.
 
3:36 PM
^ To be honest it did say it was his extension.
Still, spammy but I give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He probably didn't know the rules that well.
 
@Dharman I didn't notice, and affiliation has to be made clear. Account is gone now
 
what's the window on NATO? :)
 
@treyBake Depends on lots, question popularity, importance, etc. I think we decided "be reasonable about it" was fine?
 
ah, I've seen a newish answer (jul 31 this year) on a POB '08 question, wasn't quite sure if it met requirements to be
but I'm guessing probably not, doesn't have a lot of attention since then
 
@treyBake It's a sliding scale somewhat. I personally post and allow such new activity on such old questions (in your example), though other ROs have more strict interpretations
For me, something two months ago on a question 11 years ago is very new
partly because such old questions tend to also be very popular (e.g. thousands of views)
 
3:48 PM
I suppose in comparison 2 months is a footstep compared to 11 years xD OK, well, maybe play it safe for now? Should be in the cv-queue now so, hopefuly will get reviewed there :)
 
@treyBake Play it safe? Tyler is an RO, he literally just gave you permission to post it :P
 
@Dharman Thanks for pointing that out; I flagged the question for mod attention and mentioned that fact, as it's spam deleted and locked right now OP can't even edit it and add my clear affiliation. It may get undeleted, or it may not.
 
Oh I see! haha /r/whoosh amiright? xD
 
Wow, I ask myself that every week a work... (well not quite)
 
if you sort by votes, the top answer is really good and helped me clear it up in my mind - if what they say is true..
 
4:02 PM
@treyBake Personally I don't see that as POB, for what it's worth; integration tests and unit tests are clearly defined as different things, and I'm not sure there's a rule that says OPs must accept an answer or they can be closed as off-topic.
Though at 4 CVs and a *pls request here, I'm sure a 5th vote will come by sooner or later
 
@TylerH I don't think the title question is POB, but I think the italicised question in the post body is
 
Could I get an opinion on this question, please? stackoverflow.com/questions/57857108/…
 
@NickA Mm, that's true; I didn't read the body before the "Edit" section
In that case I would probably vote as POB but definitely leave it undeleted for the good answers.
@Dharman what's your concern with it?
 
I am not sure it is answerable in its current form. For me a lot of details are missing.
 
@Dharman that does look more like an infrastructure problem then a programming one.
 
4:07 PM
@Dharman I agree it's certainly lacking information to provide a good answer as it is
 
The tags are really not helping.
 
and depending on the information that gets added, it may end up being an infrastructure issue as rene mentioned
 
could be their hosting partner, their proxy, their downstream cdn
 
@TylerH thanks Tyler :) yeah was the edit that mainly did it for me, had that not been there, probably wouldn't have thought twice
 
I think I will vote as no MCVE
 
4:09 PM
@Dharman at a minimum we need to know their webserver and what else they have on that endpoint
are you going to leave a comment?
 
could also be a firewall. We have github blocked at work but I'm in an AD group that allows access. However, without fail I always have to visit the site once and get a bogus error about TLS not being enabled before waiting 5 minutes and accessing the site successfully
 
@rene I wasn't going to, but I probably should :)
I'll eat first :)
 
okay, I leave it to you then
Have a good meal
 
 
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Due to the 5 votes back I am out of votes again.
 
6:43 PM
 
7:16 PM
^ I feel bad for that guy :(
 
Same here, but if they are having trouble even installing a IDE, learning to code is going to be quite difficult.
 
Yep, can't really get around that
 
Though to be fair, aren't there people out there still trying to figure out how to exit Vim?
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7:31 PM
True, and I would be one of the people looking up that question. the OP though just gave up on the message that they had no idea what it even meant. They could have looked up the words they don't understand, copy and paste the message into a search to see if others have the issue. Researching is a skill they need to learn to make life easier and if they don't do it from the start it's sets a worrying precedent.
 
Yeah, we really do have to be cognizant of the precedent we set. FWIW, the author has since deleted their question.
 
7:47 PM
Shog9, if you are listening, please return the 3 close votes.
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7:59 PM
He did say he hoped to have the analysis posted by today...
 
New CV experiment: 9 CVs until Dec 31 "It sounds like a nice, round number" - Shog
 
@Machavity I'd quit
 
8:18 PM
@Machavity in before it's actually closely linked to the zero escape series, and the first question to be successfully closed will gets closers to participate in the next nonary game.
 
@Machavity I'm sorry, did they just refer to an NVMe M.2 SSD as slow?
 
@TylerH Someone has too much money on their hands...
 
@TylerH They said slower. I'm not sure any NVMe M.2 I know of is as fast as optane.
 
I do wish my motherboard had more than one M.2 slot...
 
@TylerH Can I interest you in an adapter?
 
8:28 PM
@NathanOliver The Intel one is NVMe M.2 isn't it?
also, oooooo
supports four extra M.2 cards
 
@TylerH It is, but not all NVMe are equal. NVMe is just the transfer protocol. The speed of the drive will depend on the type of flash, the controller, the cache and the performance of the caching algorithm.
 
@NathanOliver Gotcha, I guess you meant any other NVMe M.2
I read it to mean it wasn't using NVMe
apparently the 905P is also supposed to last like 10x as many writes?
lol, yeah wow. Endurance rating: 6.93 Petabytes
 
Long lasting and very high IOPS. The 970 evo (which I have and love) does 350,000 IOPS max. Optane will do 550,000 IOPS max. 200,000 IOPS is almost another 970.
You would have to have a really good raid controller to try and get that performance with 970's
 
I have a 960 or 970 Pro which I love
 
They are great, especially for the price.
 
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