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@FélixGagnon-Grenier ;)
 
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^ actually that should be closed as a duplicate of stackoverflow.com/questions/5642521/…
already spent my vote /-:
05:31
Given a question of the form "I want to do X" and "I read the docs at [link]" -- and the clearly obvious answer is within the first 10 lines of the linked document -- does this deserve a close vote, and if so, what reason? None of the options seem to really apply.
@JimGarrison Sounds like a downvote reason, not necessarily a close-vote. It might be "too broad", depending on what they are asking to do. However, with the link telling how to do it in the first 10 lines, it doesn't sound like it's too broad.
I guess it might be "unclear", because the fact that the link the user provided says how to do it in the first 10 lines implies either A) you didn't understand/they didn't communicate what they wanted to do, or B) they didn't understand what the link was saying, or didn't actually read docs at the link.
@Makyen Thanks, that's the conclusion I came to on further reflection. In this case, based on the OP's Eastern European name, I gave the author a break and just pointed out where the information was in the documentation.
05:52
@eyllanesc Why are you asking us to flag this as NAA? Are you out of flags?
@Makyen I thought you could report here, if it is not correct I ask for the apologies, and if necessary then delete my request
@JimGarrison In what part of the question is the OP requesting Off-Site Resource? Also the question is very clear
@eyllanesc We generally don't permit flag-pls for NAA or VLQ, unless there's a reason you can't flag it yourself (e.g. you are out of flags or you previously flagged it and someone edited it out of the review queue). The reason such requests are only permitted when you can't flag it, is that having more than one NAA or VLQ flag does nothing for getting the post processed faster (the only effect is to require +1 "Looks OK" to remove it from the queue).
@eyllanesc The question says "I want to...", then states that the author has tried other viewers, and finishes with some code. There is no explanation of the code or what isn't working, which qualifies it as UNCLEAR. There seems to be an implied request for a different viewer, which would be OFFSITE-RESOURCES.
@JimGarrison QtWebEngineWidgets was based on chromium so you can potentially open a PDF as it does chrome, currently you can not workaround it, but in the next release you can
@JimGarrison IMHO you know little about Qt / PyQt so for you it may be unclear, but for me I dedicate myself to that tag it is.
If you check the new features of Qt 5.13 you will see that the PDF viewer will be enabled wiki.qt.io/New_Features_in_Qt_5.13
@Makyen I already understood, thanks for the explanation
o/
\o
06:53
In which category falls this question? I am not sure if Too Broad, Offsite Resource or Primarly Opinion Based
@Lino I went with Too Broad but really all of those I guess
07:16
Code review request falls under Too Broad category ?
@Shree or suggest migration to the correct site (though their requirements are usually too strict to favor a straight migration, so maybe point that out in the custom reason)
07:30
@Shree you might want to check out meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253975/…... suggesting they post on that site should be rare, and if you flag for migration, it's almost always likely to be declined...
08:15
Conan is indeed a C++ package thingamajig.
Now, this answer is more concerning. It's a partial verbatim copy of another answer.
@E_net4 Already modflagged it
08:40
and so it begins.. wading through the hollow streets of ..
There's one curse you can't cast on me - the job of writing PHP
09:34
What's the correct room for talking to SE staff?
@forest there's none; use the contact form
@forest meta.stackexchange.com is your best bet
For your general moderation-related questions and random fun, there's tavern
@JohnDvorak Yeah I was just banned from there. I linked an image (which was sfw) which apparently got turned into a shock image by the website's anti-hotlinking protection. I just wanted to apologize to them because I feel terrible.
Oh well, I'll use the contact form.
thx
09:42
No it was deleted within seconds, thankfully.
I heard the music
@JohnDvorak The worst part is I then created a question on the Meta.SE asking why it counted as inappropriate, without knowing the website was still redirecting it due to being hotlinked. Which looks pretty bad...
Zoe
Zoe
I know. It got caught by Natty
Judging by the downvotes, an answer ban should've kicked in by now
@Lino Ah don't worry, he won't be able to do so for much longer
09:45
1 deleted 1 to go
@Lino Cheers for the clarification on that -11 Q, have deleted my comment
@MichaelDodd Np, had the same problem once with one of my own answers. That's why I knew :)
10:20
@MichaelDodd c
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@NickA Cheeky Nando's? 👌
What year is this lol, haven't heard that in some time
Zoe
Zoe
@NickA p?
@Zoe "Can I have a P please Bob Zoe?"
(disappointed there's no decent clip of that on Youtube)
@JohnDvorak you don't want to see it. Believe me. @forest how you explain your join/leave actions? I'm pretty sure you know it's annoying by causing the animation.
Zoe
Zoe
10:31
@MichaelDodd Fresh outta P's, sorry. You can get an O though.
@ShadowWizard I joined and left 2 times to bring attention to my prof message.
@forest it was more than 2 times.... even so, that's WRONG way to get attention. It's annoying way. Like bumping a post with useless edits, just worse since it cause visible annoyance.
I saw that one person (Lilia or whatever) doing that, and it got everyone to check their profile. I figured it would be better to join/part twice than to have people convinced that I was trying to post shock images to troll.
It was only twice. If it was three then that was an accident (changing the profile message doesn't automatically cause a rejoin, does it?). I mean, it only lasted 5 seconds. It wasn't like Lilia who rejoined like... 200 times.
@ShadowWizard I'm a lot more mortified about the hotlink protection than I am about 5 seconds of animation to bring attention to an apology. But nothing I can do now.
11:00
@Makyen Not sure if this is the right place to discuss this matter?
Zoe
Zoe
@gparyani It's a moderation room, so kinda
12:00
Yeah the question looks like a Spam seed
Zoe
Zoe
!!/test smartwiki.io
> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.
all nuked
don't you just love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Yes Duke, yes you do.
lol
lol
12:18
Morning
shakes fist @Machavity
Sorry, I had it open when you came in
I was running the script and because I saw a lot of request and then it pops up with nothing. I'm like WTF, close the window, see: 55 messages moved to SOCVR Request Graveyard
:)
12:48
@Zoe Isn't that just a trivial use of webWiew?
@JohnDvorak Pretty much
Zoe
Zoe
@JohnDvorak There's many ways to rome. WebView isn't the only WebView out there
But yeah.
Basically
Or otherwise parsing the website and loading it for that matter
That wouldn't be too big for an answer, would it?
@JohnDvorak Maybe, but I'd be reluctant to as it's pretty much a GMTC question with no prior research
It's not the size of the answer that makes it too broad, it is number of possible of answers, and the fact that it is a gimme the code question that makes it too broad.
12:53
Not every GMTC is too broad. The difference here is that an answer might be useful to googlers.
Zoe
Zoe
@JohnDvorak It would in this case
@Zoe Don't you think this is more of a too braod case? Since he doesn't explicitly ask for any tutorials ?
"best way to get started" sounds like a tutorial to me
Or at the very least POB, I certainly wouldn't go TB though, I tend to use the others over that
Zoe
Zoe
12:56
And now that I got a second look at it, "open a page" doesn't necessarily have to mean a webpage. It could refer to an activity, fragment, etc. The result can be opened in a WebView. And since there's no starting point included, there's no way to know what exactly OP wants, and answers would be guessing code-dumps
@NickA POB is actually quite a nice fit, you're right
@Zoe unclear then?
Zoe
Zoe
unclear and too broad can be applied.
13:18
@gnat ahah, no wonder the numbers looked wrong... they're from 2013 :-P
I'm leaning NAA on that one
yeah
me too
Tripleee added the domain to watch list. Can keep an eye on it
NAA for me too, first instance of that domain
13:22
too fishy for me with a 1 rep unreged user.
Yeah, but we get a lot of "Help me with my website [link]" newbies too
Zoe
Zoe
^
until further evidence, naa for me
I wish we could just CV the Q, but I think it's on-topic to ask how you would do that. Avoided being OSR
@Machavity I've protected it. That should help
13:30
Good idea
I think that is my thrid protect
Shog unfeatured the reprex thing
awww
@double-beep +57/-308 Ouch
yeah...
Zoe
Zoe
13:47
Does that mean we'll get MCVE back?
We'll need a for that first probably...
@Zoe I don't know that it ever went anywhere. All they did was change the page URL and redirect the old one. Close reason is the same, as is the shortcode
I kinda liked the help page tweaks
Zoe
Zoe
yeah, [mcve] redirects to reprex. But the page and term is still just... ew
Shog was planning to unfeature it for a bit; one earlier comment mentioned "I'll unfeature it later tonight"
so it's not like he unfeatured it suddenly as a result of some negative score threshold
though one would think that'd be a clear sign it should be unfeatured and undone...
@Lino it's not. What makes you think that it might be?
@Lino Seeking improvement on existing code, not GTMC in my opinion
@TylerH Okay its more like a "Convert this code for me please", there's still no attempt on it though. And I am not sure if "I have no idea, how to do X" is a valid question
@Lino Are you sure you're looking at stackoverflow.com/questions/56170346/…? Your description doesn't seem to match it at all
OP has code and is looking for a way to remove some bloat from it, which is not at all the same thing as 'please write an entire solution for me' (he already wrote an entire solution), nor is it similar to 'I have no idea how to do X' (he's already done X and just wants to see if he can do it a little better)
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A no-effort, GMTC post would be someone posting with some requirements and no code expecting it to all be given to them. A convert request would be someone posting something substantial in, say, Java, and asking "can someone rewrite this/show me how this would be written in C#"
@TylerH Okay I may be a bit too strict with my interpretation. Then maybe it's a better fit for code-review? 1) Has working code, 2) Mcve is provided, 3) wants some tips / improvements.
14:09
Of course that last one I'd take pity on because it's getting someone away from using Java :-)
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@Lino I agree it may be a better fit for Code Review and perhaps even Too Broad/POB
Soooo... should we recommend CR or just let it be? This is a question which stays on the edge of both sites. And now there's already a proposed answer
@Lino It's up to you. I don't feel strongly enough about it to vote either way
A comment suggesting CR would not go amiss, if you wanted to do that
Yep after reading through it again. Seems not close-worthy, I should appreciate the good Qs a bit more, we already got enough head-aches with trash :)
can really an unfriendly comment have 21 upvotes? o_O
14:21
welcomes double-beep to Stack Overflow
it's more likely the older the comment, actually
14:38
!!/alive
@double-beep ... did I miss something?
yes SD, you didn't bring me that coffee I asked for
!!/tea
@Lino brews a cup of earl grey tea for @Lino
Made you some tea instead @StephenKennedy
14:39
tea? where's the kick button? :)
it's the though that counts, I guess, so thanks :)
!!/coffee Stephen
@double-beep brews a cup of Latte for @Stephen
happy with that?
I am, thanks, but Stephen Rauch won't be :/
14:49
whoops
ikr
it's even worse in SOBotics ofc, with two Robs
Should I flag this? stackoverflow.com/a/56171322
I left a comment anyway.
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman commenting is the approach I would use. It is enough of an answer that it will most likely pass review.
@NathanOliver 👍🏻
15:01
@NathanOliver IMHO it's not enough of an answer to pass review. At least, if I were reviewing it I'd recommend deletion 10 times out of 10 on that
FWIW, I flagged it as NAA before I or Praveen commented
I would too, but a lot of reviewers tend to not vote to delete that.
looks ok doesn't decline that
sounds like we need to round up these reviewers, then... grabs a pitchfork
(flags)
don't forget mods
@double-beep I use Stack Overflow on the console so I can't load mods, sorry :-(
15:05
oh :(
(hashtag pc master race)
16:30
[o]
16:58
@gparyani I think I'm missing quite a bit of context from not being around at the time the conversation happened, so I'm not all that comfortable rendering an opinion. The user appears to have gotten the message that what they did outside of posting messages wasn't appropriate.
17:16
@Machavity what did you learn? the comment was deleted
@TylerH Wordpress.SE doesn't do plugins. Which is kinda weird, but that's what that community set
yeah, that's quite weird
@TylerH You should ask her for a min-reprex
yeah, this, lacks it
@Machavity oh damn you're onboard with that reprex?
17:29
see the starboard for more details
@SotiriosDelimanolis Not so much
review queues broken again?
@double-beep Wait, they had Triage fixed at some point? Wut?
oh, wait
suggested edits queue on meta had the red thing
but actually tag edits are 5k only, right?
so, what is the point of the queue?
@double-beep Red thing works even if you can't do the reviews IIRC
17:36
I was kind-of hoping that the re-regex-prepex-reprex... whatever... post would be featured for a bit longer. It almost got to the point of being the MSO question with the lowest score. It may still get there. It's less than 30 downvotes away from the record.
I wish they hadn't deleted that MSO where the guy defended his spam activities. Sometimes a good public flogging like that is good to keep around
@Machavity oufff
17:50
also, I think this Mary person is the new Jay Hanlon?
IIRC he was the VP of Engineering
or maybe that was David Fullerton...
@Makyen Replicated by Hovercraft above :-)
No problem, we'll close it twice
@halfer I have no idea what you're talking about :)
18:05
@halfer Thanks for mentioning it.
18:37
@Machavity which?
@double-beep Can't find it now. The guy thought he was doing users a favor
@StephenKennedy I have no idea what I am talking about either :-p
@halfer I noticed ;)
Wibble wobble
Splargh ~~
Please don't get angry
18:41
:-]
@StephenKennedy I think he's always angry tho
@Machavity Man they really went to town with the special effects in the US remake then
@StephenKennedy Richard Ayonade is Irony Man
NAA? Doubt if it is, although the issue in link mentioned isn't resolved
This new burn room should now properly bear the
19:43
Let's have only one pinned message for the burn.
Works for me. I didn't have time to do up a full message
@Machavity Yeah, it can take a while. I usually get the plain message, then modify it. I have a userscript I've been working on, off-and-on, that adds a link to the plain message to the message popup, so it's a bit easier.
20:04
@Makyen I'm thinking we could possibly have it even easier. just have Rodgort post a message in here and we can pin it
cc @Rob ^
^ better idea
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Or we could stop creating tags that need removal.
@Zoe Good idea. I hereby appoint you as SOCVR special envoy to take care of that :)
@Machavity But... but... then we'd miss out on the puns. :-)
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Sure, I just need terminal access to the universe and everything so I can make a script to avoid that.
 
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21:21
@Zoe You'll have to speak to Makyen about that. He has custody of the keys to our terminal which has access to the universe.
21:35
@Zoe Deleted NATO?
Do questions without answers not have an "active" label?
@StephenKennedy Yes.
Thanks. I thought that would be the case as it's Zoe and she deals with a lot of NATOs; what concerns me is that I there's no "active" label visible to me and ofc as I have less than 10k rep I can't see the deleted answer either.
Zoe
Zoe
21:57
@StephenKennedy yeap, hammered by Bhargav
@Zoe Is there an "active" label on it visible to you?
Zoe
Zoe
Not anymore, no
Nice reminder to always explicitly mention NATO though :)
Heh
I wasn't in much doubt that in this case it would be a deleted NATO, but it does present me with some slight operational difficulties :)
22:17
@StephenKennedy Well, there's a solution for that.
@Makyen I'll have you know I earned 3 upvotes and a Nice Question badge today! That's almost a rep cap day as far as I am concerned :)
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy A virtual rep cap isn't the same as THE rep cap ;)
@Zoe I can't think of any witty response atm. Will you accept an IOU?
@StephenKennedy No, unfortunately, as you've figured out, there isn't an "active" field when there isn't an answer, or where the only answer(s) are deleted. I don't have a good solution for you, other than getting more rep.
I was going to suggest looking at the the list of questions in the question's least popular tag, but testing indicates the list is different for those that can see deleted posts vs unable to see deleted posts. For instance, this list shows me this question at the top, but my low-rep test account doesn't show that one. It shows this one as the most recently active.
22:33
Well that's a quick way to get suspended
what's the drill wrt offensive self-vandalism?
Someone had a bad hair day, I'm guessing
@Makyen Thanks for looking into it. I've no doubt other room members will point out if I miss something :) I've ordered more rep but stocks are low atm - ETA 6-8.
@StephenKennedy :-)
@StephenKennedy That is a good day.
@Makyen Judging by others' actions, offensive self-vandalism we deal with the same as non-offensive - sd v and roll back?
22:42
@StephenKennedy It's definitely TP. You can use tpu, if you want to add the user to the user blacklist, which isn't a bad idea if they are obviously vandalizing multiple posts. They'll be removed on the next FP, so it's reasonable, IMO, to have their next effort watched. It's not something that is usually R/A flagged, as there was good content there at one point. It is something that is often worth a custom mod-flag to bring to the moderator's attention, but BR was already on top of the issue here.
@StephenKennedy But, yes, v, which is an alias for tp is good. Where I have edit privileges, rolling back is good. I usually also add a comment, on sites I'm familiar with. (Charcoal's policy is that users shouldn't comment on posts brought to their attention by SD which are on sites they are not familiar with.)
22:57
@halfer If you don't mind me saying so, I think your comment here is probably superfluous stackoverflow.com/q/56156964/397817 (the OP wants spoonfeeding so far as I can tell)
@StephenKennedy No worries, I'll delete it
(I sometimes reiterate advice that has already been given in a more friendly way - some folks give robust advice and the OP may get frustrated with that kind of response. But perhaps what I think is a friendly remark is part of a pile-on that doesn't actually help!)
@halfer I'm of the opinion that no advice will help there and that it's best to just close it and move on :) ymmv
23:51
Need an OOV icon to put over your profile picture when you're out-of-votes
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