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7:03 AM
Morning all \o
 
7:25 AM
@Zoe That Q has terrible answers too.
 
@PatrickHofman While I can understand your interest, the rules for this room explicitly prohibit pinging moderators about flaggable issues. Please see #18 in our FAQ.
 
@Makyen Okay, np. I thought raising this on Meta would be too much actually. Will leave it there, thanks.
 
8:31 AM
Odd. Is this one about programming in some way?
 
@E_net4 My first thought was SU, but they mention Gitbash so possibly OK under Shog9 directive? (programming tools)
Yvette's probably the best person to ask
There may be a comment thread that I can no longer see
 
@E_net4 looks a lot like SU indeed, but when mods are involved I tent to stay away for my own sanity
 
9:30 AM
@revo care to explain your ping re: stackoverflow.com/questions/56059930/… please?
 
clearly I did (-:
also looking at the related meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/384914/…
and stackoverflow.com/posts/56059930/timeline which shows that I originally close-voted and thus am no longer able to vote to close again ... but still I don't understand why you ping me specifically or what action you would like for me to take now
 
@tripleee a few days ago I did a cv-pls. that question was closed properly. now it is opened. you were pinged in comments but didn't act so I had to ask the reason.
 
I guess the "possible duplicate of X" comment must have been attributed to me, and that's why they pinged me to ask about it
but now it's reopened so I don't really see any reason to respond to that ping
I don't believe I was alerted to that ping though, probably because my comment was removed when the question was closed as a duplicate
 
@tripleee as I brought this in meta and that comment was posted after that meta post and we are dealing with a true duplicate why not to respond? this is not about just one question.
 
9:39 AM
the question is reopened and Wiktor's answer is accepted; hasn't this been dealt with now? Like I said, I can't and don't want to nominate as a duplicate again, though I would definitely not be upset if it was closed as a duplicate once more
 
Good morning o/
 
@tripleee I'd appreciate if you reply to that comment with two upvotes. currently it seems like all those efforts for closing that question were wasted and even those questions weren't the right dupes at all.
 
@revo so my response should be something along the lines of "yes, see the regex canonical if you have trouble with regex" ... or what?
 
9:56 AM
@tripleee they are claiming it is not reproducible while it is meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/384914/…
 
you seem to have already responded to the same OP over on the meta question
sorry if I'm being dense, I really don't see how I could contribute here
 
10:12 AM
Do we have any question like "how to debug (Python) code"? Questions like this are terrible for us and the OP could solve themselves if they know how.
 
fp feedback on autoflagged post: Linked AMP version is valid with warnings [MS]
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector
 
@user202729 I found a dupe
But I don't know if we have any general debugging questions like that, would probably be TB
 
@user202729 It is really...
 
Also: the OP won't be helped completely with the answer (either the current answers on the question, or the answers in the link) they (or somebody else) still need to find out where the value propagate from and fix that part.
 
10:20 AM
Well you could point them at this
dunno if we've got more than that though
 
(Which is the main reason why people complain about dupe and not dupe...)
@NickA If I were to debug OP's code I wouldn't do that.
 
@user202729 Nor would I, but what I would do isn't specifically for python, it could be done essentially for any language, I would definitely be surprised if we had a "How do I debug code" question
 
Why not? It's related to programming and can help people like the OP of that question.
 
Because it's too broad
That's why they normally get pointed at How to debug small programs
 
Well, the NPE question is not closed, which kinda imply that similar was are okay...
 
10:25 AM
It can't be closed
 
(Do note that fixing a program that raises error is often simpler than fixing a program that simply gives wrong answer)
@NickA that doesn't makes sense. It's not a
> This question exists because it has historical significance, but it is not considered a good, on-topic question for this site, so please do not use it as evidence that you can ask similar questions here.
, right?
 
@user202729 What doesn't make sense?
 
I mean, the question isn't bad because of the lock.
Well, having questions like that on Stack Overflow can be both good and bad. We can point users to the question, but some close voter may use that too much.
 
I didn't say it was bad, I'm sure it's helped thousands of people, but the "how do I fix it" is almost certainly too broad, and had it not been asked 11 years ago it may well have been closed
 
That can be used to at least make an MCVE if it doesn't solve the OP's question already.
We just need some meta discussion...
 
10:33 AM
Feel free to ask about it :)
may raise some interesting ideas
 
@user202729 @NickA Would certainly be an interesting discussion, given that it's the "golden" canonical dupe for Java
 
10:49 AM
@MichaelDodd I don't think it's necessarily worth it, while I think it's too broad it was asked at a different time, is well maintained and has already been locked. Having a question like that doesn't IMO warrant allowing general "How to debug" questions though
 
11:17 AM
@treyBake duplicate of closed post by same OP
 
@tripleee ah .. can't believe I missed that .. my bad! xD
 
11:54 AM
@xdtTransform too broad anyway, I would simply close for no attempt
 
@tripleee, I advocate for migration. Then I will close dupe flage there. It's TB for Us but average for SU with a few edit.
 
@xdtTransform if it should be closed eventually anyway, the migration just creates work and noise
 
But Tb make it look like one can edit it into on topics. So it's your call you have more xp on those things
 
@xdtTransform if they add some VBscript code or etc that would certainly bring it back into the fold, but I agree that it's hard to prioritize close reasons when the OP is clearly confused
 
12:13 PM
 
@Shree Marked helpful and account nuked so I'm guessing yes
 
Humm. Thanks.
 
Morning
 
I'd say NAA
more of a comment
as it doesn't really use any evidence or anything to support their guestimate
 
@NathanOliver "No" is an answer, but there's no evidence to back up the statement. NAA, should be a comment
 
That was my thinking.
I've flagged it.
 
If anything it should also be an addendum to their other answer. i.e. "works in C++17 but not C++11, as I don't think it's possible in C++11"
 
@SmokeDetector active 15 months ago?
 
12:39 PM
@Adriaan yeah that's strange, no recent activity at all
Manually reported in CHQ
 
> Post manually reported by user Glorfindel in room Charcoal HQ.
 
pesky ninjas
 
Spam on another SE, domain matches an existing answer by same user here
 
1:13 PM
Hey guys, any 10k who could spare a minute and show me a deleted answer on my latetst q?
 
Sure.
Link?
 
@NathanOliver here Answer was self-vandalised, then deleted, so I rolled back
 
@Luuklag Add a character in front of the link to prevent one-box please
 
@Adriaan good to know, done
Mehh that was supposed to go to @Machavity, mobile sucks
 
1:17 PM
IKR
 
It's not going to fit on a single screen shot. Looking for an alternative way to share.
 
Thx
 
made sure to copy and save now :)
 
1:38 PM
bah. Sniped by half a second
 
2:22 PM
Question for the moderators or anyone that knows how this works? I flagged first comment under particular answer with custom flag because all comments there are no longer relevant. Some of the comments are mine and I have left them so moderator can follow conversation. Is that OK, or I should have deleted my comments.
 
I would delete them myself, but a moderator can delete any they find irrelevant
 
Also probably best to go with the standard No longer needed comment flag than a custom mod flag
 
@Machavity Thanks. I will clean mine then.
@GBlodgett Problem with no longer needed is that you can flag one comment at the time and you cannot add additional explanation that whole conversation is obsolete.
 
Custom flag is fine when the entire conversation is obsolete. I've raised several, never had one declined.
(but if I was a party to the conversation I'd delete my own comments first and then assess whether to flag each comment individually or raise a custom flag based on how many are left and whether it would be clear to a mod they are all obsolete)
 
2:55 PM
@treyBake Please specify an actual close reason, like unclear if it is unclear what the OP is asking or lacks MCVE if it lacks an MCVE.
 
@NathanOliver o.O
@NathanOliver "Why is this code not working" is a close reason?
 
dang it. You're fine. They use that text in the lacks MCVE reason. Tricked again.
 
haha I feel like this happens far to often, think the close reasons need to be redone
 
It'll take years for them to change it :(
 
^^@RiggsFolly that be my linked one ;)
 
3:15 PM
@DalijaPrasnikar When an entire comment chain is obsolete, a custom flag on the post works best. Whether you choose to delete your own comments or not is really up to you. Mods can see deleted comments, so following the chain of conversation isn’t too difficult. I usually show them to make sure I’m maintaining the flow of discussion and deleting everything that is obsolete. On the other hand, mods clicking delete on a couple of extra comments from you isn’t a huge deal.
 
is anyone else experiencing random moments where uBlock Origin will disappear/be disabled and have to go into their addon settings to disable/re-enable it?
 
I think views among the mods differ whether they’d prefer individual NLN flags on comments, or a custom flag on the post. They’re going to be handled either way, of course. But I personally strongly prefer the latter, mainly because it comes with a clear explanation of why they’re NLN. Sometimes it’s not obvious to me. Other times, NLN flags get abused to mean “this is wrong” or “this person shouldn’t be trying to help”.
 
NLN flags on meta are the ones that confuse me, this comment (deleted now) was declined
 
Yeah, standards are a lot more lax on Meta. Chatty and even joking comments are often kept.
 
3:29 PM
@CodyGray can confirm
 
“Unfriendly or unkind” flags on Meta are sometimes annoying too. Like yeah, I know the guy is being a jerk to me, so I don’t want to decline the flags, but at the same time, it’s Meta, people should be able to air grievances, so I don’t want to delete the comments.
It’s always a delicate balance for me in Meta to avoid the illusion of censorship
@SterlingArcher Yeah, people on Meta even upvote my comments. It’s like the Wild West.
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@CodyGray This should easily be covered by a standard mod policy of 'don't handle flags on your own content'
 
We just have to downvote it twice and problem solved — Sterling Archer May 2 at 18:11
case and point
 
At least, recusal for conflict of interest is something the SE team ought to cover for mods...
@Vickel FYI, this isn't a request for an off-site resource in any way (though it is too broad IMO)
 
@TylerH OK
 
3:46 PM
 
@TylerH we have such a policy
 
4:05 PM
I just totally got a review audit with a question I closed on Friday (complete with my comment suggesting that the OP break the problem down into smaller pieces).
Is an answer guessing at the problem VLQ? Or just downvote?
 
An answer asking for clarification is not an answer. it should be a comment
 
if it is guessing at the problem and providing a solution is not NAA
just requesting clarification is NAA
 
Depends on if it’s an answer-like guess
Flags are fun!
 
I bet mods have a "I'm feeling lucky" button for the unclear ones. I mean, that's how CMs roll
 
M-M
the link in this question is broken (it's an old one, I am not asking for cv-pls). Should it be closed for NO MCVE?
 
4:42 PM
@M-M I would say so, yes
 
@Machavity Most of those aren’t even CMs. Just the old school crew
 
@CodyGray shh let me pretend... :P
 
5:00 PM
@CodyGray Thanks.
 
This comment wins the Internet today
 
5:57 PM
also lol @ "the google"
 
6:14 PM
 
Ό
(SOCVR's daily routine when @SterlingArcher comes and says F)
 
6:23 PM
It was only 4 so maybe it should have been a little F
f
 
άέύίόήώ
like that?
 
Hi Zoe :D
 
@SterlingArcher Spelling of TB (not sure it bots detect it?)
 
whoops
can't edit now
 
np
 
6:30 PM
so you're saying the bot isn't me proof?
 
@halfer bots detect the cv-pls keyword, not the close reason (since a close reason could be custom)
 
print "$random_letter" . "\n";
 
@double-beep Is that PHP?
 
Hard to tell these days
 
6:55 PM
heh
 
zang
 
zot
 
is there an easy way to fix the old duplicate lists to the editable ones?
 
@AnttiHaapala You mean the old school blockquote ones?
 
6:59 PM
yes
I've got the gold badge but ... too many clicks :P
 
Not really. The fastest way is to reopen -> edit out dupe block -> close as dupe
 
and if I do open the closure date will be off by 10 years :P
 
It's a shame SO never fixed it when they changed it.
 
I think they added some underlying records with the new system, which is why a mere edit alone doesn't work
 
well I could write to meta... but...
 
7:03 PM
You have a hammer, tho. You can do that single-handedly
 
the 10 years...
it was closed in '09 and now I'd wipe out that history:P
 
It is time to rewrite history.
Imagine what we could have achieved without PHP!
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A world where everything is written in ASP.NET?
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@Machavity not even MATLAB?
 
@Machavity yay!
 
7:12 PM
Or worse, a world where everything is written in jQuery
 
Zoe
@Machavity Plot twist: in the absence of PHP, people turn to Brainfuck instead, making the majority of the internet written in an 8 char language.
 
Entire web pages written in hexidecimal...
 
Zoe
Do edit suggestions count as new activity?
@SterlingArcher @mention be if you're trying to talk to me, otherwise I likely end up missing it xd But hi o/
 
no you have to find me
 
@Zoe better you're here than watching your national hockey team being demolished by the neighbours over at the Worlds
 
Zoe
7:17 PM
What're you talking about? I can clearly see you on the bow sniping lookout point
@Adriaan I haven't willingly watched sports in... What's it been, 11 years? xD
 
@Zoe smart choice
(unless you're a Tre Kronor fan)
 
Zoe
Never heard of 'em.
 
@Zoe Per the last meeting, yes, suggested edits make a Q fair game
 
Zoe
@Machavity I couldn't find anything on it in the FAQ - maybe the "recent activity" qualifiers should be added there? (
 
@Zoe Yeah, we're slacking on the room meeting notes
 
7:23 PM
@Machavity loads crossbow
 
Zoe
@Adriaan What're you doing with Sterling's crossbow?
@Machavity yeah, saw that too. Had to double-check and see if I missed anything :]
 
@Zoe I have no idea who Sterling is; I am living in the vicinity of Wilhem Tell's area of birth
 
@Adriaan So you're The Lone Ranger?
 
@Machavity pfft, Wilhem Tell is from 1235 :p
 
That's when the show aired: 12:35 to 1pm :P
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7:28 PM
@TylerH Ah, thanks. That makes sense.
@Machavity No reference to ACME industries though, who seem to make everything :-)
 
Stop talking about me D:
 
Zoe
Or what? :p
 
7:44 PM
Or he'll call you a fox
 
Zoe
8:17 PM
@Machavity cracks knuckles I'll fox the mess if that happens.
 
Zoe
F
 
I'm out of close votes :(
 
me too
 
@EJoshuaS Experimental rules don't report here
 
8:41 PM
Ok
Why not?
 
Because we're not an experiment?
 
Because there are some rules that produce a lot of FPs natively. That one was caught because of a suspicious DNS entry
If you want to see them all, you can do so in Charcoal
 
\o night
F
 
Zoe
@rene Unless us not getting experimental rules is an experiment?
 
Ok I understand now
 
dbc
9:51 PM
JavaFX custom dialog is hiding behind main window had some information removed from a recent edit though, was that appropriate? See stackoverflow.com/posts/31980731/revisions
 
10:59 PM
@halfer How is the virus checker supposed to check the contents of that file if we don't know the password?! :/
 
@StephenKennedy Crack the file first, get the virus, destroy your data, wipe your harddrive, recover from a backup, get your Stack Overflow account back again and comment under the question to call the question author a "silly billy".
 
@halfer Hmm. Sounds like a lot of work. Could I short circuit that and just smash my drive with a sledgehammer?
 
@StephenKennedy Sounds like fun but, while I might sound like a party pooper, do take a backup first.
 

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