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12:15 AM
@Makyen I remember raising a flag to eliminate my comment since the OP provided an MCVE, sorry if I have not.
 
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4:00 AM
@EJoshuaS it will be roomba'd no?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels True... still, it's a pretty bad question.
 
 
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6:55 AM
@dgknca please use the [tag:delete-pls] notation for requests
why should that be deleted though?
 
7:14 AM
@CodyGray RO is also about pinning messages, clearing stars, setting and deceding overall room guidelines (On top of SE chat rules). As a moderator you should avoid all those actions and only enforce SE rules. While I would not care much in "my" rooms some RO's would certainly dislike if you start pinning stuff etc.
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@PetterFriberg Why not allow mods to perform these things?
Oh and over in the Sphinx's Lair we totally have moderators pinning stuff, since they have unlimited star power and they're present anyways. Even ROs only get twenty stars per day.
 
7:29 AM
it's like a bar owners vs police, it's not about not allowing, it's about respect of each other, the police may not like that bar owner goes around and arrest people and the bar owner may not like if the police change the menu or the lighting. If a police officer likes to be also bar owner then sure... as for SOCVR just pass a nomination.
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Then overall yeah I appreciate if moderator helps the RO's, but I would advice a moderator to be very careful performing certain RO tasks in some rooms. It certainly not a good idea to pin something in this room if your are not also a RO.
 
So, what would you do if a policeman did walk behind the bar and start making cocktails?
 
If you don't like the free cocktails, you will call another police officer :)
 
To drink them for me? :P
 
Morning o/
 
 
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9:42 AM
^^ also POB / codereview
 
@prd not unclear, that's a very obvious request for off-site resource
one day i'm not going to be able to stop myself adding an extremely rude comment to one of those interminable gimme-teh-codez "questions" that ALWAYS END with "please suggest"
i know we're supposed to play the question not the asker, but hot damn how lazy can people be
 
Use the votes, Luke.
 
10:20 AM
@IanKemp Please don't do that. Thanks in advanced.
 
And thanks in advantage!
 
10:56 AM
is there an existing SEDE query which sorts questions with CVs they have?
 
11:25 AM
@double-beep I don't think that would be useful; SEDE only updates weekly
Queen can help you go through pending CVs with a more useful workflow than the regular review queue
@queen [bash] 10
oh she's not here ... check e.g. in the Bash room where I can give a demo
in #!/bin/bash, 6 secs ago, by Queen
All right, dear, working on it...
 
oh, though Queen was only about duplicates
 
though or thought?
 
The Queen sits in a hive of SE bots.
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security, escort E_net4 from the premises
 
@StephenKennedy thought
 
11:34 AM
@PetterFriberg Thanks :)
 
Morning
 
\o
 
12:54 PM
:45853177 ur 2 slow
 
@Lankymart that doesn't seem like an off-site resource req at all
Stack Overflow's lack of a good dark theme ruining my nice, dark work setup today...
 
2:10 PM
@TylerH chrome:goth = true doesn't work
?
 
@NathanOliver I don't understand what that is
 
bad attempt at a joke
 
I mean other than ostensibly some command that would make it dark
ah
here, have an lmao for your efforts :-)
 
@TylerH "I can't find anything written for the same problem since 2011 and the old code below doesn't work very well in Windows 10" - If they're not asking for someone to write code for them or provide something, what are they doing?
 
2:16 PM
I went too broad because multiple languages were tagged
 
@StephenKennedy probably a better shout tbh.
 
@Lankymart trying to get the code they used to use to work
They just worded it in an unfortunate way
but yes the question is not exactly stellar even disregarding that concern
 
@TylerH it's unfortunate alright. My daily experience on the in SO.
 
naming problem: if code which helps get a program up and running can be called a "bootstrap", what would one call code which coordinates a clean shutdown? #SeriousQuestion
 
@StephenKennedy a termination function?
or just "shutdown" function
 
2:21 PM
something like ShutDownManager will work, I think. Thanks.
 
@StephenKennedy I'd call it Bootstrap Removal or EXIT
 
@TylerH yeah, it was the "I can also use Windows Script Host or PowerShell." lent me to "Request for Off-Site Resource".
 
@Lankymart IMHO they do indeed want somebody to write their code for them, but that to me is TB - and it's closed now anyway :)
 
I'd personally go for Unclear if it was open, they want to switch something in some undefined application, hitting tab used to do that but somehow now it doesn't. Far from enough information to write an answer.
 
@treyBake I hammered it. Your comment was slightly incorrect, in that you can't use an array declaration like that inside a quoted string (see this demo 3v4l.org/smhu6)
 
2:29 PM
@Machavity yeah, I saw your dupe link, after seeing it I reviewed the OP code and saw they were double-quoting stuff, I was trying to say echo $array['key'] - but I guess your linked dupe will hopefully make more sense to OP :)
 
@Lankymart I added that line after your cv-pls request was posted...
 
Wow, really?...oh well the way it read felt like asking for a tutorial.
 
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Q: burn [awk-formatting]

kvantourI'd suggest burning awk-formatting: total questions 43 no description or information 39 questions are tagged as awk Oldest question Nov 2010, newest question Nov 2018 I would just tag the 4 questions as awk and eliminated the awk-formatting as it does not bring any extra value. The questions ...

 
2:45 PM
@NathanOliver Congrats on answering a SO HNQ
 
Thanks. It's always nice seeing it in the HNQ
 
Woo, silver badge in the help and improvement queue
only took 14% of my soul and several weeks
 
I've solved the icon problem by placing a circular piece of red tape over the review icon on my screen, works well. — Teemu yesterday
 
@SterlingArcher Sounds expensive to me. Did they include three Milka chocolate bars with the badge?
 
@SterlingArcher You are a braver man than I
Archer: Help and Improvement Island "I think we're surrounded by help vampires..."
 
2:56 PM
@SterlingArcher Welcome to the H&I Silver Badge Club. I'll email you about the secret handshake later. Are you going to stop there or are you totally insane?
 
I'll go until I'm burned out :P
Thankfully it's not 40, nor a popular queue or I qould cry
 
Someone did 7000 reviews. Literally. I have no words...
 
kek, I can barely get to double digits before wanting to turn the machine off
 
Ron
o/\
Just /
 
\o Ron
 
3:02 PM
@Ron You were just holding Stephen's hand up is all
 
@Ron as a windows user it's just \
 
Ron
Haha. All true
 
if I see a user with 7 Steward badges excluding H&I I nod in approval - there's a dedicated SO person with at least some common sense
 
H&I is the only queue I don't have a gold badge in and I suspect I never will. Maybe one day if they fix but not till at least then.
 
I have 5 reviews there
 
Ron
3:07 PM
waffles
 
I'll consider getting Steward if they add a vtc option and have that count as a review
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I have tried, but I usually can't make it past 3 H&I reviews without biting giving up
 
3:25 PM
They also assumed my vote :(
 
did you downvote after that comment? xD
 
@SterlingArcher Just wait until the anonymous revenge downvotes start. They're a badge of honor
 
I still haven't voted lol
well, only to close
 
The only way to save this one is for the OP to comment "please don't upvote".
 
3:38 PM
Late answer queue is such a good source of flags today
 
4:04 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis All you need to say is "Jon Skeet said No Repro"
 
4:21 PM
@Machavity That's big keyboard energy!
 
4:41 PM
> Ya, I mentioned that in general....thank you for destroying it more. At least I would have got an answer for loosing so much reputation. Why do you exist!!
@Machavity oh no look what we did
(And I still didn't vote on it xD)
Hey if an answer isn't in english, is it NAA?
 
Yes, NAA or VLQ are both fine for non-Eng answers
 
4:58 PM
 
@SterlingArcher I got accused of being German (of all things) for close-voting a question/explaining off-topic rules the other day. Was going to flag the comment as rude but OP self-deleted before I got there
 
Thank goodness they didn't accuse you of being Dutch. I hear they like to close and flag things, rather than comment
 
@Machavity The followup comment on the German accusation was "they like to follow the rules even if they don't make sense"
Q was clearly off-topic though; it was asking "how would a hacker bot react to getting redirected to a huge file download"
 
M-M
5:36 PM
but it does not have upvoted/accepted answer
what's the procedure?
nvm!!! I can accept my answer. LOL
but let's say it wasn't my Q. then what?
 
@M-M If there's a useful answer in the target, upvote it. Has to have one positive score answer or an accepted one (any score)
 
@PetterFriberg I disagree that there is a relevant distinction there. Obviously moderators should act judiciously and exercise discretion in using these features, but that's true for all features that we have access to. It is quite rare that a moderator would need to pin something in a chat room. But, if a chat room is engaging in persistently inappropriate behavior, and I leave a message in there as a moderator, it makes darn good sense for me to pin it so that everyone will see it.
 
@M-M You should wait for the OP to accept your answer or for someone to upvote your answer, there are no other possibilities.
 
Mods and room owners should act in cooperation when needed. Otherwise, yeah, ROs have a lot of autonomy, and that's entirely by design.
 
M-M
@Machavity yeah!!! I just got confused for a sec. cause it was my question, my answer!
@eyllanesc true. when it's my answer but not my question, patience is the game.
 
5:44 PM
Undo pinned something in here not too long ago, but it was something I would have pinned if asked. Mod pins are not special in that regard. An RO can always unpin
 
As I would expect them to, when whatever problem the pinned moderator message was addressing had gone away.
As an exception handler, I don't want to have to reappear when the exception is solved. :-)
 
6:12 PM
What do you do if you see somebody reviewed something totally wrong?
For example, said "no action needed" on a non english answer
 
mod-flag one of their posts
if he has done lots of similar actions
mods will see and if appropriate will ban him from review
 
And if not done other similar actions?
 
just skip, mods may decline the flag, you may also watch the user reviews
 
Flags on completely indefensible reviews are fine...
Or at least they are to me. I can't speak for the entire mod team.
"no action needed" on non-English text is literally the canonical example.
It's possible that the reviewer handled it outside the queue, and then just picked "no action needed" because it had already been handled. That's something a mod would investigate. It's still reviewing incorrectly, but not enough to justify a review suspension.
But if they actually just picked "no action needed" and moved on, well, then, I want them to move on.
 
Well, I made a mod flag for it. I'm tempted to flag another user for making the most useless suggested edits over and over
 
6:27 PM
Two people said "no action needed".... @SterlingArcher. :-(
 
@M-M you can upvote someone else's answer :-P
 
@CodyGray 2?!
 
Yup, in two different review queues.
 
extra ban them pls
> Just answering this question to gain some reputation.
oh we'll see buddy.
 
6:31 PM
@CodyGray if a chatroom is engaging in inappropriate behavior and a mod comes in, the mod pinning something is not acting as a RO; they're acting as a moderator. This is a bad example because it only arises in exceptional cases that warrant a moderator.
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I think the comparison of a police officer and a bar owner is an apt one -- the police officer has the authority to enter and tell patrons what to do in the process of enforcing the law, as appropriate. it's always inappropriate for the officer to enter and try and set prices or put up a general operations announcement (e.g. "free beer on tuesday". It's OK sometimes, for example if the officer were to come in and post a "missing child" or "wanted" poster on a notification board above the bar
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@Machavity And a less restrictive character limit on the review ban messages. So frustrating.
@TylerH Yes, that's reasonable.
A moderator wouldn't know or care about policies like "free beer on Tuesday".
 
or even a "don't shoot your guns off in the bar" notice
 
I don't know what day it is that Zoe gives free cake, for example.
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6:34 PM
what's this? free cake?
speaking of cake, I went to Starbucks today (I know), and got a slice of their lemon cake, and holy moly are their lemon cake slices huge
easily over an inch thick
I nearly went catatonic from the sugar after one bite
 
It's how Zoe deals with lemons
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Oh, on the subject of YouTube (links), I only just found the YouTube dark mode like Wednesday.... game. changer.
 
@TylerH Ever been to Newk's? They're crazy big as well
 
Nope, they don't have Newk's in the south I don't think
at least I've never seen one
I take it back... apparently there are eleven in the Atlanta area
how have I never seen one...
 
Atlanta is a big place
And if you're like me, you suffer from fast-food restaurant blindness.
 
Wait...that map also claims they have 2 locations around Austin.
I have literally never seen this place, either.
It must be hard to run a restaurant when you operate in 24/7 stealth mode.
 
Zoe
@CodyGray What do you expect though? I'm too lazy to walk around with it. I'm a coder, not a waiter ;)
Here's your cake though: 🎂
 
Windows 7 says the cake is a lie. I get some tiny little black-and-white squiggle.
 
Windows 10 says the cake is true
 
Zoe
Windows 7? At least use the decent version (Windows 8) >.>
 
6:42 PM
looks like a chocolate cake with a candle
 
I thought the decent version was Vista?
 
Zoe
@Machavity Omfg xD
 
@Zoe #Vikings
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Didn't you get the memo? We're celebrating the uh... 1 billionth vote cast on SO? Sure, that seems like a thing
 
@CodyGray Not so much
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6:45 PM
@Zoe I got the memo, but not the lemon drizzle cake I asked for
 
@Machavity They should have tried renaming it to Mojave. That would have saved everyone.
(I'm extrapolating what the video said, because I don't have speakers at work.)
 
@Zoe That's not a lemon drizzle cake but it looks very yummy indeed :D
 
Zoe
There's a difference?
And please ignore the self-combusting lemons. ;)
 
yeah, lemon drizzle is a lemon sponge with sugar on top - doesn't look anything like as fancy as yours
 
Zoe
6:50 PM
Well, I did spend 30 seconds finding that pic an entire day baking it to get it just right!
 
Baking is more fun than digging through piles of garbage on Stack Overflow
Unfortunately, it's a lot more fattening.
 
@Zoe shakes fist aww, how sweet tyvm
 
Zoe
@CodyGray I'll rather dig through piles of SO garbage than bake :] I mean, the result is good and all, but it's not really fun.
@StephenKennedy OY! NO FIST SHAKING!! You're welcome <3
 
@Zoe Would you rather spend all day baking, in a very hot kitchen with no windows, or all day dealing with rude comments on SO using Microsoft Edge?
 
Zoe
I'd use Edge to install a decent browser to handle the comments. ;)
 
7:38 PM
I don't even like cake that much
 
🚽
 
@SterlingArcher You don't get to complain about the menu until you've paid your SOCVR membership fee buddy
 
Wow. Some guy posted the same answer 7 times
 
i mean... i wouldn't care if a mod came in pinning stuff in js chat, afterall, as an RO i can unpin it when i see fit. :shrug:
 
@Machavity I have seen the same answer 10 times. Who wins?
 
7:43 PM
@double-beep The mods do. I noticed because they're all deleted
 
The mods always win :(
 
@Machavity 6 to 8 times ...
 
and they are always blamed for that so, please make it :)
 
the mods always win :) yay!
@double-beep is that better?
 
7:45 PM
@StephenKennedy yes. The mods always win :) YAY! <!-- so we can blame them -->
!!/blame
 
@double-beep It's ekad's fault.
 
well, something like that
 
@double-beep It's Queen's fault.
 
@double-beep hehe, nah. We'll just blame this guy
 
I remember Chatbot War II. The Battle of the Flags was insane...
 
7:48 PM
@StephenKennedy no, please! Let's not do it! Remember that this user rocks and is the best person on earth.
 
@StephenKennedy I silver badged H&I that's my fee :P
 
Are mods pingable from any room even if they've not been in it recently, or are they same as regular users in that regard?
@SterlingArcher Oh yea, I forgot about that. My apologies :)
 
Same as any other user
 
@StephenKennedy seems so?
 
Only if they're in the room I believe
 
7:50 PM
@KevinB most of us would not, but I still think a mod should respect ROs hence if you are mod you are not an RO automatically for every room.
 
Can't ping, say, Brad Larson from here (been a long time on him)
 
OK then: SOBotics had another ping war not so long ago. The funny thing is, Bhargav didn't enter the room for so long that he was no longer pingable, but his bot was occasionally updated to change its pings as the war progressed :)
 
incidentally i'm not really a fan of mods taking visible action in a room they don't participate in. Kicking people, deleting/moving messages, sure, but to start making statements and claims in the chat directly, "laying down the law" essentially, i think is a bit too far. Sometimes it's necessary, but, should be accompanied by a several minute freeze rather than allowing conversation to continue.
making a statement and pinning it, i think would be one of those things you do after such a problematic event has occured
 
M-M
@TylerH only if there was one :/
 
^^ agreed
 
7:56 PM
primarily so that other RO's and regulars who weren't there at the time would know something happened
 
How long does this message stay up for? "Attention: some of your recent flags have been declined - please review them before flagging this post!"
First off, it showed up after 1 declined flag :P
 
i've had quite a few declined flags, but i don't recall ever seeing that message
 
I think it falls off after a few successful flags
 
I mean I have a ~96% flag helpful rate, so I'm surprised 1 decline brings that up for me
 
@SterlingArcher Long enough to be extremely annoying... but yeah a few helpful flags will get rid of it
 
7:58 PM
It shows up if any recent flag was declined FWIW
 
I've seen that message after 1 decline of dubious merit and have > 99%
 
I've had 5 successful (and 2 pending flags) since yesterday :P
 
comment flags too?
or just posts
 
Any flag
 
weird
 
8:00 PM
@KevinB I'm not speaking about mod activity (SE chat rulez) only about regular room activity hence regular pins which in SOCVR can be a burnation request and in jscript a new feature
 
Ah. meh, i'd just bring it up with the mod if it's problematic. if it's not... not much to do there.
 
Sure, it was mostly to discuss the difference between RO and mod...
 
i don't think there should be much of a distinction, aside from the additional tools they have that RO's don't
a mod should be able to override anything an RO can do
 
As long as it has to do with SE rules, otherwise not...
 
@SterlingArcher @Machavity @double-beep IIRC, if the user has any message in the room, you can ping them by directly replying to the message, even if they are not @pingable due to their last message being too old.
 
8:09 PM
@PetterFriberg ^
 
is it a hint for next war? :)
 
@PetterFriberg no comment.
 
Zoe
@Makyen You can, yeah. But I thought the @mention-ability was based on last time they were in the room?
 
@StephenKennedy mods can super ping any user.. so I will loose anyway
 
@Zoe If you are intending to differentiate between when they were in the room and when they posted a message wrt. when @mention is possible, I'm not sure. My impression has been that it's based on their last message, but it could be presence in the room, as a user is automatically present when they post a message.
 
Zoe
8:17 PM
yeah, but you're also mentionable when you enter a room
 
It's true that you can always reply and get a notice, but @mention only works for 2 weeks, then they fall out of the list
 
can you move a message from a room you're an RO of to another room you want to be able to ping the author of said message in
 
@KevinB Possibly. An RO can move any message to (in theory) any other room. So your ping would show for that room
 
@KevinB Yes.
 
I've never tried outside our two bin rooms TBH. Maybe if @SterlingArcher wouldn't mind a test (for science!) we could bounce a message out and back
Bleh. i gotta run. Forgot the time. Can do it later, but my bet is it would work exactly that way
 
8:26 PM
it's definitely possible
If you move a message that has a ping in it to the bin, the notification will direct you to the bin
it's how you can get mysterious invitations to join the bin
"So in so has invited you to join Trash"
 
I can try to bounce back from Trogdor if an RO here wants to bounce one to there
(if I understand the proposition correctly)
nm, I don't know how to do it and can't see any buttons for that :)
 
@KevinB The inbox notification will point to the message, wherever it is. The link is a room-agnostic link to the message in the transcript. However, if the message is moved prior to the inbox notification being created, then no inbox notification will be created.
 
i'm pretty sure it puts you on the list of @mention targets, because technically you've submitted a message there, :p
 
@StephenKennedy I'm willing to move to test it. You have to click on the room link below the tags, select move messages, click on the message(s) to move, press relocate, type in the room name
 
@NathanOliver Let's give it a try. If I can't do it there's plenty of other ROs in Trogdor.
Test 1 2 3
 
8:31 PM
1 message moved to Trogdor
 
for example, i've never been in Trogdor, so if you moved one of my messages, i'd be pingable there with @
or reply
i'd expect to get an invitation
 
1 message moved from Trogdor
 
Round trip complete \o/
 
@KevinB Testing someone who has never been in the room would be interesting. Just to double-check, you've never even opened the Trogdor room?
 
8:33 PM
not that i recall
 
^ move the above and I'll move it back?
 
Hmmm... Well, even less likely is SOCVR Testing Facility. So, if you'd like to create a test message....
 
yeah, i got an invite
 
8:35 PM
1 message moved from Trogdor
 
didn't expect to get an invite, does that mean when we move a new user's poorly formatted code sample to the trash bin, we're inviting them to the trash bin?
 
Yes. If you move a message they get invited to the room it was moved to.
 
@KevinB Did you get a ping from the testing facility?
 
surprised we don't get complaints
i did not
now i have
 
That was a direct reply.
The first was an @ping. You were not added to the @ping auto-complete list.
@KevinB Now, please enter the testing facility, but don't post.
 
8:40 PM
@Machavity FYI ^
 
no new pings yet
nvm, there are 2 pings, they just didn't show up where i expected
 
You were added to the @ping auto-complete list upon entering the room.
@StephenKennedy Have you ever been in the Testing Facility?
I'm wondering, because it would be interesting to see if someone is added to the @ping auto-complete list just by entering the room, w/o ever having posted.
 
@Makyen Can't say for sure, but quite possibly
@Makyen If you've never been to "Dawg's Waffle Haus" come over and we can try it
 
@Zoe Brief testing indicates you are correct that @ping-ability is based on when they were in the room, not when they last posted a message. All that was tested was if the person is pingable immediately and for a short period after leaving. It's uncertain if that ping-ability lasts for the two weeks, but probably does. However, you can definitely ping-by-reply when a message is moved into the room w/o the user present.
@StephenKennedy Ok. Looking for the room...
 
Zoe
oh, cool
 
8:52 PM
You can click on my avatar and see the rooms I'm in, and click through @Makyen
that appears to have worked @Makyen?
 
Yep. Got two pings, and the banner message saying I was "mentioned" in a room I'm not in, even though I am in that room :-).
 
I'm not going to post a message in that room, so we can wait a few days and try to ping me again. However, I did clear the ping notices.
 
\o
 
@StephenKennedy Please explain to the other user who pinged me that I'm not being anti-social, but that we're actually testing something which requires me not to answer.
 
9:00 PM
@Makyen Will do, and they hope to hear more from you next time :)
 
@StephenKennedy Thanks. Yep, I'm happy to talk. This time just wasn't the right time. :-) I've set a task to ask you to ping me there in several days.
afk
 
ok, cool o/
\o Halfer
 
9:29 PM
I had to pop out to collect an unexpected parcel. It's the new edition of Jon Skeet's C# In Depth \o/
 
C##?
 
I bet it already has more rep then me.
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@Machavity I got the ping, but we can try more later after I leave work if you need!
 
@SterlingArcher You're a bit too late I'm afraid. We've been bouncing messages back and forth ^
 
9:37 PM
@JackBashford It's ideal if you can give a close reason with your report, even if you think it is obvious :)
 
rude :P
 
science waits for no man, sorry :P
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels This now has code, does that help?
 
10:01 PM
@halfer The code that was posted was nothing but skeleton code that did not attempt to solve the problem at hand.
@halfer: the comments pretty much spell this out
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Sure, I have no view on it, just letting you know it was edited.
 
@halfer I appreciate your vigilance
 
(It happens so rarely in response to close votes I think it is quite exciting to note it ;-))
 
@Makyen ok. Just a flag then?
 
10:17 PM
@Steve For blatant spam, a flag and a [tag:spam] post here with the URL
I'd have reported it to Smoke Detector based on your cs-pls anyway, but by the time I saw it the post had gone :)
 
10:55 PM
@Steve A flag is good. You can also VtC, if you want, but that's usually a waste, particularly if it gets reported to SmokeDetector.
Given how rapidly moderators are handling flags, even reporting it to SD isn't necessary at the moment. It's helpful for SD/MS to have a record of it, but the important thing is to get it deleted.
 
"How would someone make a script" == "please give me the code"
 
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Q: The latest in a [series] of bad tags

EJoshuaSThe series tag has the following description: A Series object represents a data series and is stored in the SeriesCollection class. Alternatively, it may relate to a data series in Python Pandas API. This is a classic case of a tag's own usage guidance condemning it: by its own admission, t...

 
11:33 PM
I'm out of votes :(
 

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