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@HovercraftFullOfEels FYI: The answer has been deleted by the owner. Another time, please don't mention that it's an upvoted answer that's preventing the Roomba. Doing so can be interpreted as a request for down-votes. You may have gotten the idea that we should include that piece of information, because in one release I, unfortunately, had the alpha version of the Request Generator include it in del-pls requests. I've changed the Request Generator so it's no longer mentioned in the request.
00:47
So noted
dbc
dbc
01:17
@KenWhite Should that really be off-topic? The user is getting a build error from Visual Studio error MSB8020: The build tools for v110_xp (Platform Toolset = 'v110_xp') cannot be found. To build using the v110_xp build tools, please install v110_xp build tools. Asking "how can I resolve this" seems like the sort of question that might get answered here. See e.g. Visual Studio 2012 platform toolset v110_xp.
@dbc It's asking us to find a link to an off-site location, that would then have to be maintained by future readers as MS moves stuff around or removes it. As it's already an extremely old version of VS, it's likely that may already have happened. It's not like a documentation link that may be updated by MS.
 
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02:29
(Also apologies for the ping, feel free to ignore)
03:15
@BhargavRao Yes. Could have saved you a ping. :-)
Win32 expertise is probably more important there than Delphi expertise. Which is good, because I don't know Delphi at all.
OMG, Cody in SOCVR! <3
@CodyGray thanks, I'll merge the tags. :)
I pop in and out sometimes
Also @Mach, can you bin that ping to Dalija? Thanks.
Does that undo a ping?
03:18
@CodyGray Good question. My guess is no, since it's just in another room now
It removes it from the notification box, IIRC.
We can try. I'll get out of the room. Ping me, and move it to the bin.
@BhargavRao test ping
Oops, I was in another room, so didn't get any notification. Just a ping
IIRC, I've had pings follow the post. The link, at least once it reaches the inbox, is directly to the message. It may depend on if the ping has been undismissed long enough to be in the user's inbox.
Do you want to try again?
Yes, I'll leave all rooms.
03:23
Tell us when you do. :-)
I didn't get any notification ... you need to wait atleast 1 minute before moving :p ...
I think the easiest way is to just ask Dalija if they got the ping.
That could be because I moved it to a room where you're not currently pingable. Let me try this: (no need for you to log out).
Waiting 1 minute
Nope, didn't get any notification. I think it is because I have the tab open? ... try again.
When I replied to myself, I got the indicator for a reply in this room. It was not transferred to the other room when I moved it, but that could be because it's a reply.
I still have the indicator here ... but I was talking about notifications (the inbox one on main site).
03:34
@BhargavRao Unrelated to the ping testing, but I sent that email. Heading to bed if you wanna test against someone truly offline
But yeah, didn't get any notifs... weird
Are you looking for the ping indicator, or the notification in your inbox?
The notification in the inbox.
The ping indicator won't be a trouble if you're not in the room. ;p
I don't know if moderators can reduce the wait on that, but the inbox notification takes several minutes to go into the inbox at the minimum delay settings permitted to a regular user.
i.e. Just checking "Quicker notifications" in the chat user preferences page.
On tab prefs of a chat profile, if you choose quicker notifs, you get it in one minute..
I don't think it's any different for mods, have had the setting before that as well... as well as on chat.MSE where I'm not a mod.
03:45
I thought it was longer. I know that I've definitely gotten the inbox notification while still having the tab open to a room. I've done so in order to do some UI testing by pining myself (replying to myself, rather than just an @ ping). I also routinely leave tabs open to various chat rooms overnight and have inbox notifications in the morning.
Hmm, anyway, let's try on @Machavity
Move that after an hour or so.. :)
OK.
@Machavity Just a test ping
@BhargavRao I tried pinging my test account in the testing facility. I did get the inbox notification. The inbox notification still exists after moving the message to our /dev/null room.
Beware the Ides of March! Just 3 days away...
The notification still says that it's in the testing facility, but the link goes to the message in /dev/null.
Thanks, that clears it
03:53
The ping indicator in the testing facility room also still indicates that I have a ping. When I clicked the ping notification in the testing facility, I was taken the the /dev/null transcript.
Any thoughts on whether this should be closed as a typo or not? (For those that aren't familiar with Processing, the problem is that the OP never actually calls his code and is surprised that it didn't actually run).
@EJoshuaS Is that a mistake a lot of beginners to the language/technology make? Is there already a canonical with an answer to that effect? Can this be made into such a canonical?
@CodyGray Yeah, that's what I was wondering, actually - it's actually not all that hard of a mistake to make
I mean, Processing isn't exactly new, so if a similar question has never been asked in the 10 year history of SO...it's unlikely we need a canonical.
But those are the questions i would ask myself.
Yeah, I actually read almost all of the book written by the guy who wrote the environment in the first place when I learned (which is probably why I did NOT make that kind of mistake when I started), but I guess it's not all that hard of a mistake to make.
@CodyGray Yeah, I agree, it should probably be answered rather than closed.
Thanks, glad I asked
04:19
Trivia: [processing] is the only tag fix request which has a [status-deferred] tag on meta...
(remembered that because I saw the tag :p)
04:31
The name is actually really annoying... it's hard to write good Google searches for it because the word "Processing" is so common that you usually end up getting tons of irrelevant results.
He said to the "C" programmer.
I suspect that it's being displaced by Tableau, PowerBI, and D3.JS anyway - honestly, I can't imagine why you wouldn't just use one of those instead at this point.
@CodyGray Good point... I always used C++ myself, almost never pure C, so I never had that problem.
The only time I recall using pure C is in my operating systems class in college.
C++ is better because of RAII.
That single feature is why I pick C++ over C for every project now.
The newer versions of C++ are kind of ugly, though, IMHO - I use almost entirely C# at this point (mostly for the Task Parallel Library and non-blocking I/O).
Ugly in what way?
04:38
In that way.
Managed languages are just too slow...
points to the south
They're fine for running a server when your code has been well and truly JITted.
But for anything else, they're just needlessly inefficient.
Yeah, all my code is running on servers these days
I'm starting to get to some of the performance tuning aspects my system, that should be interesting
 
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06:53
@TetsuyaYamamoto Hello,
07:14
Morning all \o
Morning!
Hey I have a question regarding this post that contains 2 answers from 1 user that are both quite bad. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55135980/how-to-query-data-base-on-whether-the-condition-exists-in-mysql#55136191

Do I need to take action against this, and how would I?
07:29
@Tomm Well, they're not great answers but they're answers nevertheless. Use your votes appropriately and move on
Users are free to submit multiple answers to a question if they wish to do so
@AbhishekB. o/
@MichaelDodd appreciated
08:12
I'm not posting any request. But I just want to know if this comment not NLN?
@Zlytherin Yes, technically it is NLN, but comments on Meta are given significantly more leeway. A little bit of humor from time to time is fine, and is actually helpful in maintaining the culture and group dynamics. A moderator would be reluctant to delete a highly up-voted comment.
@Zlytherin It's a joke comment, which is generally more permissable on meta. I'd say leave it be.
Ohh, I see
08:22
o/
o/
08:58
wait...something unexpected happening in PHP.... <gasp>
xD love me some early-morn typo action
what ever happened to reading errors and your code?
 
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Morning
o/
@RiggsFolly meeh too broad, that could maybe even be edited to an interesting question (get rows where time diff is below X)..
13:15
@NathanOliver That's hilarious :)
Zoe
Zoe
Is this spam?
I dunno, but we can nuke the Q for being off-topic
@Zoe I've gone NAA for now
Zoe
Zoe
It didn't remotely try to answer the question and there was a URL slapped on it, just wanted to check ^^" Went with NAA too then
13:22
@MichaelDodd How is your cat adjusting?
@Zoe its a copy pasta from the linked article
My cat refuses to eat supermarket own-brand food
@Vega He's settled in very well, though he does have a very wide range of meows so it's sometimes a challenge trying to figure out what he wants. Neighbourhood cat doesn't like him very much though :(
and she expects to be stroked after food is served but prior to her eating it
@Vega Also likes playing with the scrap carpet underlay that we have left over
13:27
@MichaelDodd She seems to be a very funny cat to have :)
@Vega Cheers :) He's a bit more chilled than our previous cat, but still likes to dash around the house like a lunatic in the morning
@MichaelDodd And I cross fingers that neighbourhood cat will change his mind ;)
14:04
@Zoe I guess it was spam. Spammed out and user deleted
Zoe
Zoe
I'll put up a watch
14:32
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Just a heads up, someone mentioned you in a negative light on Meta. Don't want it to look like a campaign thing so mentioned in here
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@Machavity They work at Oracle, looks like a bad attempt at self-Q&A
I was contemplating flagging as Spam, but wasn't sure and the question is now deleted anyway.
@MichaelDodd Yeah, but the Q needs deletion. Answer is not really flag-worthy (per Shog9 it's OK to ask for official download/docs locations)
@Machavity Oh I agree, just an explanation as to seemed like a bad instant self-answer on an off-topic subject
Zoe
Zoe
(specifically self-repost)
Mat
Mat
14:56
Why are such self-dupes closed and not deleted or merged ?
Well, merging is an entirely manual process requiring one to check if the answers are appropriate on the merge target
what do you guys think? should this edit be accepted or rejected as too minor? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/22442027
@ColdFire Fine imo, substantially improves readability of the code
@ColdFire Well, I like that it does indent the code. They did miss the code formatting of ItemDecorator so that is a point against but I'd still pass it.
Yeah I would have approved that... it's an answer with up votes any improvement is good improvement.
14:59
yeah its my answer lol someone suggested an edit
and were you happy with the edit?
yeah i was kinda confused , i would normally reject it as too minor probably?
YOU PUBLISHED UNDENTED CODE grabs pitchfork ;)
that is why i asked
@NathanOliver very old answer, was very new to answering lol
Rule of thumb, if it improves readability, it's okay. (many edge cases but work for most cases)
Mat
Mat
15:02
whyWouldYouDoThat() {
whyNot();
}
@ColdFire personally I always consider what they are editing, if they edit a +200 answer correcting only a misspelled word I would approve, instead if they edit a close question they really need to do a good job clarifying it.
Mat
Mat
@ErikA I meant merging only for the cases where useful info was posted on both Q's
@Machavity :)
@Machavity lol, my IDE would explode on that... it already complains after 2...
15:03
@Mat But that requires someone assessing that.
Mat
Mat
@ErikA Well when checking for example Zoe's cv-pls, would you not do that check ? It probably only takes a couple seconds more to determine if there's useful info on both (self-dupe) Q's
@PetterFriberg ok
@NathanOliver ok ,i will keep it
@Mat There are no answers on that. It can't be merged. Merges move answers and don't really do anything else. I expect people in this room will consider merges and flag for them when they see fit, but this obviously is not a merge candidate
Mat
Mat
@ErikA My point is idk why close such self dupes when they bring nothing. Though I think most of my questions end up being about trusting the community and myself to downvote bad content that hopefully will end up roomba'd
I think you're missing the fact that I mentionned deletion and only added merging as an edge case
@Mat I didn't discuss your deletion point. Why we don't quickly delete closed posts is a whole other discussion
For one, it might be closed inappropriately, and dupes can only require one vote
Mat
Mat
15:14
@ErikA Yeah I'm just focusing too much on how to lower that cv queue size.
Yeah... my er.. friend
@SurajRao Too broad works well
15:26
Meanwhile, over in the 2019 deathmatch election room
in 2019 Stack Overflow Moderator Election Chat, 3 mins ago, by SuperStew
@BaummitAugen WILL YOU DRIVE OUT THE HERETICS?
death match - we wish! You're all so nice
I hope he answers tress don't drive, they stay rooted in place.
huh it was spam?
I think he's serious
The real way to settle mod election: AoE - 8 mods enter. Only 1 emerges
15:31
Well in this case they need 2
so some kind of alliances need to be formed. :P
SOCVR tag team, obviously [not that I have any clue what AoE is]
Age of Empires - my new benchmark for RTS games
I say new ... but .. it's a tad old xD
@StephenKennedy I hit them with chairs, Makyen throws them out of the ring?
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@Machavity I'd pay to watch that
15:39
@treyBake Have you checked out stellaris? It's AoE in SPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy You don't know what AoE is?!
@Zoe Age of Empires. Duh!
@NathanOliver I haven't but that sounds pretty kewl, I'm looking for a good LOTR AoE mod at the mo, that to me is the dream
It's my new benchmark for RTS games
Zoe
Zoe
15:40
@StephenKennedy I got worried there for a second... You're supposed to know this stuff :p
I can't wait for the next one to come out uwu
the trailer for AoE 4 looks so cool
16:10
@treyBake is that the one Bill Gates said they'd make in response to some random dude on his Reddit AMA?
Clearly I'm the only MMO nub who immediately thinks area of effect for AoE instead of Age of Empires...
@TylerH o,O not sure xD
@NathanOliver I quite enjoy Stellaris
@NickA it's ok, I was a moba player, so I when peeps at work was like AoE I er dropped the ball on that acronym xD
16:12
If you said AoM it would be a whole other story!
@TylerH oh damn, I saw the announcement trailer and was look ooo
It's fun. I "lost" my first robot empire (came in second place to a fallen empire) so now I'm making it my goal to conquer the galaxy. I'm building ring worlds and Dyson spheres and have 6 100K fleets amassed. I'll show them what a real empire looks like :)
@NathanOliver I always thought of Stellaris as more like Civ than AoE, but then it is a 4X
Civ.. another great.. though VI is weird af
Not sure if I like VI. I still play V
16:14
VI was the first one I really played, and even then I haven't played it much
Zoe
Zoe
Vim is better than Vi though.
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Yee V is the one for me, VI has some cool ideas and I like the graphics update, but it feels ... underwhelming and just doesn't feel fun
@treyBake Underwhelming? They just added natural disasters, global warming and rising sea levels ;p
@NickA nahh, there are so many changes that don't feel rewarding, the new *-trees are just meh
Zoe
Zoe
@treyBake AoE 3 was also really weird though xd Kinda felt like it changed the entire point of the game too much
16:16
I'm yet to play AoE3! Linux user so AoE2 was the only one I could get working without much effort
The only RTSs that I sunk any time into were WC3 and AoM
WC3 I've only just started playing and it's so fun
I've only played undead and they're such fun
Zoe
Zoe
@treyBake Good! Don't. It turned into a weird non-fortress like game
@NathanOliver I typically always play as a xenophile materialist of some kind, but I think my next play through I will try militarist
@Zoe haha will take your word for it xD
16:18
And I've always played as a humanoid species, either humans or elves
it would be interesting to play as a gestalt consciousness
Zoe
Zoe
@treyBake Or you could look up some slightly less biased videos on youtube ^^"
nah, I'll keepAoE2 on a pedestal and pretend like nothing else exists :p
Zoe
Zoe
I did find this other strategy game I've gotten really fond of
It's called Sins of a Solar Empire. One of the few galactic-level strategy games I've found so far that actually uses stars to add a level of complexity to expansion
not sure I've seen that kickin' about - will have to look into :)
I was getting into XCOM but then CSGO became free
@treyBake Yeah, like 3 days after i bought it
16:29
@Zoe Sins looks like a great/gorgeous game and I have an old friend who is obsessed with it
I never tried it, though I came close a few times
Zoe
Zoe
it sure beats Stardrive 2 ^^" That game broke after an update that forced a DLC and a huge, unpatched, bug left the DLC on by default...
@NickA haha kek, that's unlucky
angular or react witch one is better?
16:36
@treyBake Not too fussed, online play is not available in free version (AFAIA)
@NickA .. hate to say, but it 100% is xD
@treyBake Booooo!
tho, the first week or so was bots only
@Machavity can you take a look at this stackoverflow.com/a/54775284/5292302 (OP of question tried to deface it in suggested edit stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/22455095), but maybe it's just a trolling answer (with comments)
but now it's fully open
16:36
@Mostafa No idea, sorry. Maybe ask on Reddit?
@Machavity aah I found it, it's the OP changing the question...
@Machavity ooooh, the much sought after plagiarism SD rules ;o
@NickA Sadly, no. Metasmoke report
@Machavity thanks for the heads up, I replied in the wrong chatroom, which makes it a campaign thing 😀 thx appreciate it!
jpp probably thinks that I control Hans Passant by vodoo or whatever... I don't.
@Zoe meh, not to sure, not much to review as OP is asking "is this ABC" - I'd say just a close with a flag of "It's in the docs"
@Zoe Definitely not CR
17:13
@treyBake That's not a reason to close. We may as well shut down the site if questions which are covered by the docs are not allowed.
Very much ^ that.
@StephenKennedy good point
:)
I have my moments :) I plan to make my next good point a week today.
hahaha yeah, I seem to be all out of them for the year xD
@Machavity Experimental filter again? (MS)
17:26
@StephenKennedy Nah. I think they set the threshold for SOCVR reports to like 50 or 60 (@Makyen would know). The truly experimental stuff is score 1
Ah, that I didn't know. Cheers.
@Machavity @StephenKennedy SOCVR gets everything on SO that is detected for any reason that is not "experimental". In other words, if the detections include 1 non-experimental reason and N experimental reasons it will be reported in SOCVR. If the detections are only experimental, then it's not reported here. The experimental reasons are defined here.
Smokey's most recent report still needs flags
@double-beep SD reported it in here
@double-beep @StephenKennedy I'm not going to R/A flag that. The user has 7 other posts. It's definitely NAA, but, IMO, should not be red-flagged.
17:37
@Makyen The person who answered the question has a name which AFAIK is generally used by those who identify as female, and the poster 'thanked' that person by using the "b" word. That's rude in my book.
It's at best borderline regardless of any other factors, imho
@StephenKennedy That's a very good point. I must admit I didn't even check the other users for possible indications of gender. Gender is just not something I think about in association with users, but I should have checked for that in this case, given the offensive word that was used.
@Makyen That gender is not something you normally think about is the best possible reason to have missed that, so no worries :)
@StephenKennedy Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'll be a bit more thorough in the future. Although, it saddens me to have to choose to think about what gender other users are.
17:53
@Makyen Yes, I don't like that conclusion either. I hope it will be an unusual edge case.
@StephenKennedy Hopefully so.
 
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20:40
oh no, SO is on fire
Zoe
Zoe
And the SmokeDetector isn't detecting it?!
Oh... right.. duh. wooosh... as it goes right over my head. :-)
Zoe
Zoe
20:59
@Makyen That probably wouldn't happen if we didn't need to duck under the smoke ;)
@Zoe :-)
@EJoshuaS with OP fixing the typo in the question... this has to go
21:24
We didn't start the fire......
Well... it looks like FireAlarm's been fixed. :-)
Fixing the users would be more efficient, though
22:05
@MatthieuBrucher The burn has completed at last! Herculean effort from you there.
22:18
@StephenKennedy Thx :)
@Machavity vc question for seo, but the answer is spam
22:45
@Steve Thanks. Reported to Charcoal

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