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12:22 AM
@EJoshuaS yes, that question just needs to go
And the answer too
 
12:45 AM
I presume OP means 'var', otherwise that would be quite a trick
 
12:58 AM
@StephenKennedy Yes, that's what the OP means. That's not the worst part of the question, though.
 
Indeed, and don't worry - I took the other appropriate actions. I just can't help editing typos out of titles.
 
 
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4:51 AM
Is this trolling?
Nevermind just got deleted :)
@HovercraftFullOfEels Seriously, was that trolling, or was the OP actually just asking a ridiculous question?
 
@EJoshuaS: 1) generally assume good intentions 2) it really doesn't matter as the question was of exceedingly low quality, trolling or not, and was bound to go quickly
 
@EJoshuaS Hard to say. Sometimes people just have these whimsical questions they want answered. It just stands out more on SO
 
@NullPoiиteя It's unclear why you've linked this question here.
 
perhaps to close this question
 
@NullPoiиteя If you're asking for opinions if it should be closed, then we can provide opinions. If you're asking us to evaluate it and vote to close, then please include the text [tag:cv-pls] with such requests. We have a general format for actual requests which is: [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?.
The reason for this is so the request doesn't get lost in the transcript. Including the tag allows scripts to identify the chat message and show it to people for review, even once it's scrolled off the main chat page. Without it, the request gets much less exposure to people who are interested in reviewing.
@karel Close, but you appear to be missing a link to a question.
 
Got it.
 
5:15 AM
Great.
 
I'm wondering if this, this, this, and this are duplicates. Can anyone familiar with Android confirm that?
 
5:38 AM
@Machavity heh."whimsical" ... lovely term for a programing question =}
 
 
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8:15 AM
@StephenKennedy reject if it is only ad-speech, roll-back if already approved or suggest a much better edit that brings the excerpt and wiki inline with the consensus ruling. /cc @ErikA
@ekad not an SME but I would say yes.
 
8:48 AM
^^
 
9:05 AM
^^ except the suggestions, it is too broad because they are asking multiple questions
 
 
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10:07 AM
@double-beep It's still hasn't been deleted??
 
@rene The tags apparently have been deleted. Not by me, but I certainly don't object to it
 
10:28 AM
ok
 
@ErikA Makyen flagged the tag wiki as plagiarism and linked to the original source. That was the right call, if nobody knows enough about it to fix the problem (i.e., write a new tag wiki). I didn't, either, so I just zapped it. No need for a tag on one question.
 
Ah, good judgment imo. Thanks Cody and Makyen!
 
11:21 AM
^^ well, maybe a mod-flag here to ask a mod to purge all answers and delete the question would be enough.
 
12:19 PM
@CodyGray @Makyen Sensible outcome, thank you for dealing with it @ErikA
 
12:32 PM
 
12:48 PM
@StephenKennedy @ErikA np. I'm glad it was ale to be handled. I should have mentioned that I'd actually flagged it, instead of just assuming that was understood as the course of action from the tag excerpt and tag wiki being plagiarized. I edited out the plagiarism from the excerpt and wiki for , but that didn't leave much, but it was something. I'm still not pleased with it, as LaunchDarkly appears to be both a company name (appears to be a "doing business as" (DBA) name),
but also the name they're using for their SW platform. Having a tag that's a company name is likely to be abused, so I added usage guidance to the tag excerpt that was explicit that questions needed to be about programming. The tag is also used on only one question, but it appeared that there might be more questions in the future. Thus, I felt it reasonable to let it be auto-deleted in 6 months, if there's still only one question with it.
 
@mickmackusa Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 5 years, 9 months ago. That's way too old for a cv-pls. While there isn't an explicitly stated limit, cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see the section of the FAQ linked by @Zoe.
 
Zoe
Timeline says no, aside the dupe comment
External references, none on SO appear to have linked to it
 
1:37 PM
@mickmackusa I'm going to move this, now. If there's activity that's not obvious, feel free to mention it and the request can be moved back, or reposted.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, no recent activity
 
Mat
2:50 PM
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55050777/opencv-cuda-stereobm-compute-7-5-hangs-freezes?noredirect=1#comment96894453_55050777
Duplicate of this off-topic
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25979764/cuda-hangs-on-cudadevicesynchronize-randomly
CV as off-topic too ?
 
 
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Zoe
3:52 PM
@double-beep review-pls though
 
SD looks to be spam, trying to promote own site
 
4:44 PM
 
a RO manually move my ?
Is this spam? Clearly promoting website and maybe NAA?
 
4:59 PM
Can we promote StackOverflow in an answer? is that spam?
 
@Machavity can you move this request? (either to graveyard or to /de/null)
 
5:28 PM
<rant>some high rep users are sooo desperate that 3 of them answer obvious dupes... stackoverflow.com/questions/55079398/proper-allignment-in-c </rant>
Don't worry, it will go away...
 
5:49 PM
@AnttiHaapala so many bad/dupe questions... with answers from high-rep users...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre At this point almost all of my delete votes go towards poor duplicates that high rep users answered. It's rather annoying
 
6:15 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre say no more, I run out of downvotes in the middle of the answers there...
 
6:43 PM
@GBlodgett same. But all bad/ultra classic dupes should be deleted. high rep users answering or not.
@AnttiHaapala don't waste downvotes. Just wait 2 days & request deletion. Don't even do that, I'll do it.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre can't understand why someone like J.G. bothers :D
 
@AnttiHaapala not logical: he VTCed, then answered (or the other way round...)
 
again, the one line comment is enough, and [mcve] would be one line two lines instead of all sorts of GFX stuff.
 
is this guy serious
straight copies my answer
 
@excitedmicrobe AFAIK you can report cases of plagiarism with a mod flag.
 
6:48 PM
@excitedmicrobe are you serious, isn't that a 1000th duplicate ;)
sorry about misping :P
 
@AnttiHaapala looks exactly like mine ??
Plus
 
@excitedmicrobe I am saying about you answering the quesiton
 
+ you risk a declined flag. It might be copied, it might be so obvious that it's independently developed
 
It's a duplicate? Yes. but once it's posted in an answer, you can't replicate it and post it again
 
@AnttiHaapala I am as serious as the seriousness of the issue.
 
6:49 PM
I took the code from w3
 
@excitedmicrobe If you feel there is plagiarism, then use a custom mod-flag. Be sure to explain in detail and provide a link to the source. Please do not ask us to also flag. A single custom mod-flag per post is sufficient.
 
Oh sorry
I'm not asking anyone
It just doesn't feel fair
 
@excitedmicrobe This question is about: Answer to: How to repeat execution in nodejs.
 
I know that feeling, have a declined flag on the same thing, except in my case the new answer added nothing
 
@Makyen I binned that because it was an actual request which A) was about something requestor was "involved with", and B) was asking us to do something (flag) which was detrimental in this situation.
 
6:56 PM
Wow really, 2 people just downvoted an actual & not stolen & correct answer. Not cool
 
@excitedmicrobe for the record, would I have written a for loop, I would have written it character by character like the other user, not like you, because I use 4-space indents and your code is 2 spaces.
 
waffles
idk why I am pinging Makyen
 
@StephenKennedy I have to invent something to get rights on using it?
 
My original message: There is no valid cause for complaint there imho. The code is not exactly the same, everyone uses i as a variable name, and AFAIK you didn't invent the for loop. On top of that, you copied the code from W3Schools!
 
@excitedmicrobe Straight up: I'd decline a plagiarism flag on that answer. The answer was posted ~3 minutes after yours. The code that you are claiming was copied is sufficiently different such that it doesn't appear to be a direct copy. It's short enough such that most implementation will look very similar.
 
6:58 PM
@Makyen it was edited
It's a copy of my idea
 
@excitedmicrobe to be fair, your answer doesn't answer the question. It asks how to repeat something with a given module they found. The other answer does answer that and offers the simple for loop as well, in case they somehow didn't stumble on that. That those simple things look the same is unfortunate but not a flagable offense imo and if that other answer gets deleted we've destroyed value. That is not cool at all, no matter how many feelings are hurt.
 
copying from w3schools is a just cause for job termination
 
lol
 
tbh writing a for loop is easy, but time is of the essence, i can't be a minute late for an answer on a simple question
 
@excitedmicrobe so you're claiming that the other user a) edited your code to indent it with 4 spaces, b) removed spaces on the first line to make it look uglier, and you're saying it was a copy-paste of your copy-pasted code....
 
7:00 PM
@excitedmicrobe if minutes matter in answering a simple question, don't answer it.
 
@AnttiHaapala a copy paste of my idea, to be precise
 
Mat
If you expect much of answering a flagrant duplicate, you might want to reflect on your approach
 
You can't copy-paste an idea
 
you have the copyright on for loops?
 
He just did lol
Well i'm going to delete my answer
 
7:01 PM
good
 
Usually i'm in the Swift thread
 
@excitedmicrobe ok, but before raising a flag about plagiarism, I'd suggest running a test with Guttenberg in SOBotics by leaving a chat message in the SOBotics room. I have made it for you now and here are the results: your post wasn't found.
 
Mat
That's the best thing to do
 
@excitedmicrobe It may be that the person got the idea from your answer, but it doesn't appear that they actually copied it. If they did get the idea from yours, it would be nice for them to credit you, but it could also be that they got it independently. After all, it's a very short piece of code that implements an extremely code common pattern.
 
any particular reason why a btn.click() won't fire the attached eventhandler? In Chrome/Javascript.
 
7:03 PM
@Makyen. that's why SO isn't for low reps
 
@rene is btn a jQuery variable? If so, why isn't it $btn?
 
@JohnDvorak no, it is not. I document.getElementById it
 
Any chance the event handler is actually run, it just checks if the click is legitimate?
 
@rene There could be various things interfering with it, but generally it should. It could also be that the event handler has additional requirements that need to be met for it to run it's main code.
 
it is weird.
 
7:07 PM
It could also be canceled by some other handler
Throw us an MVCE
 
^ and ^^ it could also be a variety of other things. On what page are you trying to do this?
 
On a QUnit test page
 
Does the button actually exist when you try to attach the handler to it?
 
@excitedmicrobe Trying to answer questions which have easy answers in popular tags is going be something fraught with the frustration of having people provide answers that are very similar to your own. There are many ways to go about answering questions. For instance, you could choose to answer more complex questions, or ones that are in less popular sub-tags.
@JohnDvorak That would have resulted in an error, not just nothing happening.
 
@JohnDvorak Yes, I have fixed that an hour ago. And it does find the correct button.
 
7:13 PM
@rene You can put a listener of your own on the element, or the element just above it, in the bubbling phase. This can be used to verify the event is actually firing on the element.
 
Okay, I'll revisit later. real life is happening
 
the above is spam; OP owns the site, but doesn't disclose it.
 
@Makyen thanks
 
@double-beep were it not for the "I followed the advice here" I would have hesitated... :D
 
7:42 PM
@AnttiHaapala thanks for the nomination comment. I think that those c high rep users are locked in their old technology and they still want to answer & get rep, whereas it's more and more difficult in the tag (and even on the tag now).
That's not the reason I'm running for moderator, but I know that I'm not going to miss the massive answering much (because busy with moderation duties) if I'm elected because there isn't much to answer unless I train & work on some other technology.
 
Mat
Is there no way to make that mass answering harder/impossible ?
 
@Mat you mean duplicating the same answer to several posts?
 
Mat
Yeah, and answers to closed Q's
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Martijn+Joncle have been quite helpful in already with their closures. If a post clearly lacks a mcve then it would be locked in no time...
 
Mat
Obviously not that simply, but just curious
 
7:46 PM
@Mat there should be something like you'd have to open all proposed duplicates before you're allowed to post your answer....
 
Isn't there some kind of check for exactly duplicated answers? An auto-modflag, or even an outright block to post?
 
Mat
I mean, say a question is posted and very clearly isn't bringing value, would it be bad to auto-delete the answers if the Q was closed ? And likewise auto-undelete those (with some specific backend flag to not undelete answers that weren't auto-deleted)
Just thinking out loud
 
@AnttiHaapala true. Also deceze does that.
 
Mat
Just trying to see what would be a way to lower even more the incentive to answer pointless Q's
 
@Mat they will be autodeleted by roomba if score low enough. The problem is that the more ridiculous and useless the question and the answers are, the more upvotes they'll attract.
 
7:51 PM
In C, you can close a lot of questions with a duplicate target, which gives the same power as a moderator. And if someone reopens without justification, you can still ask for second closure on SOCVR (or on meta but that's bad for the guy, I did it once)
 
Mat
Yes, I know, and like you say the upvotes are problematic
 
some people must think that's the "spot the error" game when someone spots a typo that a compiler warning could catch.
That said, I'll forgive new/low rep users from answering bad questions. Haven't we all when we started? maybe you don't remember, but I do.
 
like in C, the one questions that are very specific but interesting, very detailed question and hard to answer usually get score 0, then something like "why my for loop does not work" will get +3 and 7 answers in no time when the problem is a typo and produces a compiler warning if warnings enabled.
 
But guys here for 8 years? amazes me.
 
Mat
Why would you, @Jean-FrançoisFabre ?
Really just curious
 
7:53 PM
you get internet points.
 
Some people are rep junkies.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre did you get mugged btw, for >100k?
 
mugged?
you mean drunk ?
 
no, the 100k swag package?
 
ah, nope, not yet.
 
Mat
7:55 PM
I mean why forgive a new user for such an action ? If the community effort + the mods isnt enough to curate, I don't see why auto-delete answers for such Q's a bad thing
 
I didn't know it was automatic for 100k
 
Mat
Say it doesn't change your rep, you simply remove the incentive to answer clearly pointless questions
 
@Mat: I'd still delete.
 
Mat
But why don't we auto-delete ?
 
Is this too broad or POB? The last sentence looks like it can be answered by 'yes', 'No, use X instead' or a full paragraph...
 
7:56 PM
we don't because roomba says so. @Mat
 
Mat
I see
 
If duplicate has answers it doesn't get auto deleted. Period.
 
@Adriaan I think it is a valid question with only one correct answer...
 
Mat
Well if roomba wins, I suppose we don't have much other solution than curating forever and trying to curate faster than the bad content comes in
 
That said, sometimes the duplicate has completely different keywords/approach, and in that case it is useful for searches (signpost)
 
Mat
7:57 PM
Yeah, but are those a majority ?
 
most of the time the title in has no bearing to the actual problem, so retaining these would just clutter google searches.
 
@Mat sometimes you can close the old question as a duplicate of the new question.
 
Mat
But approx how much of a percentage is that case
 
the problem is really that they don't have a MCVE... but closing as a duplicate is faster...
 
Depends a lot on the title, true. A lot of c questions are "why doesn't loop work"
 
7:58 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre One of the biggest problem with signpost dupes though, in my opinion, is that questions phrased such as 'Why isn't my loop working?' dupes to the NPE target. Utterly pointless title, but then again, if you'd know that you had a NPE, you'd have found the target yourself most likely
 
@Adriaan I usually delete bad dupes. And it starts by a bad title.
 
Mat
My point is, say people worked on reopening Good duplicates instead of endlessly working on the bad ones
Wouldn't that save much time
 
reopening good duplicates?? if they're duplicates they should not be reopened.
 
Mat
Sorry I worded that wrong, let me explain
 
The real pity is when you see a good answer (or up to date) on a duplicate. One of the reasons I'm not deleting is that.
But it would be preferable to answer the original question, even if it's old (so NATO) and has 10 answers already, but which are old, so you're bringing new information.
 
8:01 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre flag it to be moved to the target I always thought, but when I did that at some point, I was told that mods couldn't do that, so I was instead suggested to answer the dupe as well, because it had zeros instead of ones...
 
@Adriaan merging is difficult, yes. Unless both questions are canonical/identical. As soon as the details change, you cannot merge, unless you merge+edit. But moderators aren't tech savvy in all domains, so generally they're not going to take the risk
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre big problem of answering questions with >10 answers which have a lot (say 20+) votes already, is that you'll be down in the dirt forever with your answer, however good it is (perhaps a watchful question-owner changing the accept or a sizeable bounty pointing to that specific answer might increase visibility, but that'd be a minority)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre how big of a difference is necessary for merger? I have seen a couple of Java blokes reopen questions because the variable was named A instead of the target's B
 
there should be a way for the op to migrate an answer to the dupe target with edits and keep the rep...
 
Mat
Say you have Q1, it is closed as duplicate of Q2.
1. auto-delete answers on Q1 if some conditions aren't met (x upvotes on the top voted answer, or number of answers, etc.)
2. Maybe a list of those auto-deletes is made so that people can go through that history and argue specific cases where Merge is needed or Q1 was actually the better one to keep
 
@AnttiHaapala yes. That would be cool.
 
Mat
8:05 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre
 
@AnttiHaapala I'd prefer that via mod flag though, not a user doing that themselves
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yes, but there were just a few answers, and short ones at that. It's not like answering a question with, as I said, 10 answers which all score >10
 
@Adriaan reopening for that is stupid, but hey, java is another bad tag with a lot of dupes
 
@Adriaan well, maybe yes, but, since it needs to be edited for the new question, changing the A to B...
 
Mat
So basically, I suppose I'm suggesting kind of like more strict roomba conditions for question dupes (?)
 
8:06 PM
each time I answered something different/better on NATOs I got a few votes.
 
@AnttiHaapala so another queue then? Edit+suggest merger to the dupe target, let the community decide?
@Jean-FrançoisFabre sure, a few would pop up, but grosso modo I'd still argue that your answer would be far down. I mean, I barely ever read further down than the third answer, unless I'm failing with the first couple of answers and/or they have comments on them stating it's a bad idea/outdated etc
 
@Mat will not going to happen, that... that's why sometimes, when there are already 3 close votes, I prefer closing as too broad (to get 4 votes) instead of hammering with a related dupe. The question is closed as too broad, means that roomba will work better.
 
Mat
But isn't that just a workaround ?
That should actually work differently ?
 
@Adriaan we'd need to merge/delete some old copycat answers too. The rep would not be lost, but that would remove noise.
 
a dupe question with a ridiculous score (-6 or so) should be roombaed IMO....
 
Mat
8:09 PM
^
 
but we cannot do that because they have 300 votes, and flagging would not work either
 
Mat
300 votes ? I'm specifically talking about fairly recent question dupes
 
@AnttiHaapala yes. But with -3 and a del request it doesn"t live long.
what the ...
 
Mat
I mean if the dupes aren't taking too much time out of the community/mods this isn't an issue, but I thought it was
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre sure, but that still needs intervention of those preciously few reviewers
 
8:11 PM
@AnttiHaapala must be some other timezone :)
 
Mat
15:11 here, you're far haha
 
Thaïland?
 
IIRC the vote mechanism has been intended at some time to delete negatively scored questions, but got hun up in the process somewhere
 
no it's the other way. US then?
 
Mat
Canada
 
8:13 PM
One problem you're missing in the whole discussion is that the 'duplicate system' favors the old users, because a major amount of the up-votes gets redirected to them. It's quite similar to the financial system called capitalism where the 'old money' gets all the dividend and the new ones have to work for peanuts. So the old rich families stay rich and all the new ones lose interest (in every sense). So SO is solely replicating a global systematic problem.
 
Mat
Well if the old answers are the better ones, this is how it should be
 
there aren't so many upvotes for old questions when closed as duplicates.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I think what @zx485 is saying that closing a question as a duplicate redirects the OP, and everyone landing on that question page afterwards, to the dupe target, thus getting the target more visibility and potentially more votes, both the target question, as well as its top answers
 
And you're talking about money, but, if you create the same exact music as Chopin wrote, you're not going to be credited. Chopin will get the internet points.
 
@zx485 in capitalism it is money, here internet points. Who should care?
 
Mat
8:15 PM
^^
 
@zx485 I'd argue this isn't about rep. It's about building a quality repository of answers. Duplicate questions make it harder to find the higher quality questions, and thus make the site worse
 
rep deflation is true on old technologies.
For each good question, there should be a few dupes (so the keywords are all represented) but not 1000
 
Mat
It inevitably is going to get harder and harder to get rep with the current system anyway
 
then invent a new programming language..
 
I started in 2016 and got 100k. I didn't answer that many dupes.
 
Mat
8:16 PM
Are you saying its not going to get harder then ?
 
yes, it's already harder than in 2016.
Let's take the example. It was hot 40 years ago, now noone gives a damn (fortunately). If you stick to fortran, you're not going to get rep...
 
of course it is going to get harder... and Martijn Pieters counted that he couldn't catch Jon Skeet in a decade even if Jon stopped answering...
 
Mat
But yeah idk what to think of your strat on dupes, voting them as Too Broad
 
Niche tags can score a lot.
@Mat: if voting gets the dupe/too broad to 4 votes, then only 1 vote is needed to close it.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: I'm active in the niche tag and I cannot score a lot :-/
 
8:19 PM
I'd argue that most problems a starting programmer faces have already been posted and answered on SO, often ad nauseam (see NPE e.g.), and in those cases the dupe targets are supposed to get the views/votes, instead of littering the site with hundreds of semi-equal posts cluttering the view. Getting rep should be done either by answering the incredibly obscure language problems, and/or by answering about a technologies new features, such as a new Android release which gets all kind of problems
 
xslt is kind of old, right?
 
Bah. A single character too much to get the final dot in.
 
xslt was bad years ago already
 
The latest version is , but most questions are about .
 
Mat
@Adriaan I disagree with that way of getting rep
I believe it would cause completely new big problems. Imagine people competing to answer the most niche questions
 
8:21 PM
Another answer of mine: stackoverflow.com/questions/40146934/… I didn't even test or whatever, I just adapted the tutorial, and it regularly gets votes. Must be useful. I wouldn't know, I never used the tech :)
 
@Mat I don't see a problem with that; that'd mean new knowledge contributed. And if it's so niche, there won't be a large number of people able to answer anyway
 
Mat
Although good questions on popular tech will be dismissed
 
is kind of niche on SO. Each time I posted (Q & A) I got votes.
 
Mat
Well maybe you're right, but it sounds very tricky
 
I work with Ada every day at work, so I know the language, and most of all the gnat production system & options, which people don't know very well.
 
8:23 PM
@Mat ah, then you misunderstood. Good questions should of course stay, but the umpteenth 'fix my loop' 'why do I get this NPE' etc shouldn't be answered, which is what is happening now. For example, I started out learning Python last month, and of course had a lot of questions and troubles. Not a single one of those I could not find a proper tutorial or SO question about.
 
Mat
That would probably reduce the amount of newer users answering popular tech questions
I can see how it would help short term, but I still have a hard time imagining the long-term consequences of your solution
 
@Adriaan you know that you cannot learn a language from scratch using SO questions or asking some.
 
@Adriaan we've also got this for Python: sopython.com/canon in case you've not seen it yet
 
I learned python in 2008, and I thought I was a super pro 2 years later, whereas I sucked compared to the real experts, but it helped me creating a big toolset. I learned the rest when I joined SO.
 
I processed your answers concerning the duplicates system. Many of you were defending the system but at the same time criticize its outcomes. Just like capitalism. I don't claim to have a solution to this, but the first step is to depict the situation.
 
8:27 PM
@Mat the long-term consequence would be that SO looses their revenue probably; because it's earning heaps of money from new users posting their questions. The more questions we accept, the more traffic, the higher the prices for the ads. Quality would go up, income would go down
@zx485 are you joining the discussion about duplicates, or are you just spreading your anti-capitalistic point of view?
 
@Adriaan SO gets money from the job ads and the teams... not from people posting questions.
 
user10976548
@AnttiHaapala Yup.
 
now, if it cost to post a question, that would be a different thing.
 
Mat
Though traffic -> view ads
 
@Adriaan: I'm not anti-capitalistic. I just denote an isomorphism.
 
Mat
8:29 PM
But I'd argue that SO revenue isn't a big enough argument anyway
 
it' s a delicate balance. If it's too elitist, traffic with plummet, if it's a dumpster, quality will plummet, traffic will follow
 
user10976548
Any of you guys use unity3d?
 
Mat
"Too elitist" hmm
 
@zx485 which just happen to involve bashing capitalism in every comment you made on the discussion so far, hence my question
 
the people who find the answer are more important than the ones that do not find it.
the job ads are for those people who can find a solution, not those that cannot google.
 
Mat
8:31 PM
I'm low rep, far from the elite, and I support enforcing auto-deletion
I wouldn't say it's Elitism
 
user10976548
I also support auto-deletion, and I'm lower rep than Mat.
 
then ask for it in meta. Good luck with that ...
 
Mat
I might give it a try if/when I shape my ideas better
 
2 possibilities: 1) your meta question is bad: you'll get downvotes, and the change won't happen. 2) your meta question is good: you'll get upvotes, and the change won't happen.
 
Mat
Care to explain 2) for me ?
 
8:36 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre hey, not so pessimistic! Just say it'll decrease the amount of content which can get on peoples nerves enough for them to post on Twitter about :P
 
user10976548
We already have auto-deletion though...
 
Mat
The term is very vague, a full question would detail the idea
 
@Mat I mean that very few feature requests are actually accepted & implemented by SO team.
some advice for those who want to get rep: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252149/…
 
Mat
Ah I see
 
it has to be a genius idea. Your idea is good, but has probably been asked already.
 
Mat
8:38 PM
Sad to hear
 
SO does not care much about ideas that are actually good for curating the information...
as odd as it seems...
 
Another duplicate I'm going to hammer, already an answer... stackoverflow.com/questions/55081707/index-slicing-with-lenlist
@EJoshuaS I auto-deleted it :)
 
I guess the last useful curation feature that got implemented was the gold badge hammer.
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since then, nothing...
 
Mat
When was that ?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre good - it’s useless
 
8:40 PM
May 2014 :D
@Jean-FrançoisFabre stackoverflow.com/questions/752308/… (edited and added)
 
Mat
Then you guys deserve a medal for still working hard even with that SO team disconnection
 
@AnttiHaapala good. And will go away too in a few days :)
 
user10976548
We actually don't do much work. We usually hang out and make coding jokes and sea puns.
 
^^ that
But Vakore you don't have enough rep to close/delete, so you have nothing to worry about :)
 
user10976548
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I can still flag them though.
 
8:46 PM
@Vakore more like "off-site resource", or too broad
 
@AnttiHaapala I cannot recommend you Makyen tools more. Specially the URRS one, that can send auto requests and even wait 2 days to pop the question up again so you can delvote & request deletion by 10k+ users. A must have.
@Vakore please continue doing that.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ok will install.
 
Mat
Just got my 80 helpful flags today, hard to imagine how people can do that for years
 
@Mat I only have 450 helpful flags. But 37000 other votes (close/delete/up/down). The flags are comment/abusive/not an answer flags.
 
Mat
Yeah well I meant one of those repetitive tasks day after day
 
8:50 PM
some have 10000+ flags and I'm also impressed. They review results that bots filter out (else it would be a madman's task)
it's not that repetitive. Sometimes there's racial slur, or plain rude F-words, and some other time, someone calls others nazis.
 
Mat
Hmm on that topic, where can people find the various user-made tools ?
Do you simply have to know where to find them ?
 
user10976548
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Don't bump into that stuff often.
 
user10976548
@Mat Let me find that tamper monkey link...
 
the tool link is starred on that page "Version 2.1.0 of the Unclosed Request Review Script (URRS) has been released"
 
@Mat I get my flags from two main sources: Smoke Detectors reports, and by simply browsing questions/answers and finding unnecessary comments, such as 'thanks'. Not really a grind in any of that, especially the comments
 
user10976548
8:53 PM
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre where is that exactly?
 
Mat
Thanks @Vakore
 
@AnttiHaapala the starred posts on this SOCVR page. On your right.
No, the other right.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre it is on the starboard side ;)
 
I wouldn't know, I'm seasick :)
 
9:04 PM
@AnttiHaapala (slight correction) The revisit feature that @Jean-FrançoisFabre mentioned is in the alpha version of the Request Generator. The URRS provides useful post status information in-chat and helps with reviewing incomplete *-pls requests.
 
ah, that I was wondering :P
I am using GM
 
@Makyen sorry, I mixed those up. Request Generator it is. Maybe you could link to this one too.
 
np.
 
I'm advertising your products, but they're a little hard to find :)
 
:-)
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, I need to work on getting the alpha version working under GM. If I could find a functional call-graph generator for JavaScript, it would go a lot faster.
 
9:06 PM
those should be permanent, since they greatly enhance the closing experience.
 
I don't really know anything about TM and GM, I just installed one once...
 
Mat
So aside from the info on the TamperMonkey page, how exactly do these tools work ?
 
else it looks like:
[cv-pls] how do I do foo
@user34532465 wrong format for tag
sorry about this editing
[cv-please] how do I do foo
<facepalm>
 
@AnttiHaapala GM3, IMO, was significantly preferable to Tampermonkey. From a developer POV it had significant advantages. From a user POV it was much better for security. Unfortunately, with the change in Firefox 57 that forced Greasemonkey to use a completely new architecture, all of those are gone, and GM4 introduced both issues (progressively resolved) and long-term compatibility issues for userscripts.
Thus, I recommend against GM4 for the foreseeable future. From a user's perspective, there will be random compatibility problems for userscripts that use the userscript specific APIs, but which have not been explicitly coded to be compatible with GM4.
By "random" I mean that there will be persistent problems in random scripts (from the user's perspective), not that the problems themselves will be random.
 
Mat
So you suggest Tampermonkey ?
From now on and for some time
 
9:15 PM
This question is a dupe of one of my self-answers but it won't let me put the dupe in: stackoverflow.com/questions/55078211/…
 
@Mat For the tools that SOCVR has, there is a tools page. Documentation tends to be sparse. However, we have some documentation on the Request Generator and Magic Editor.
 
Mat
Ok ty ! So much info to take in today
 
@Mat Yes. While I prefer open source tools, my impression is that the user experience is better with Tampermonkey than it is with Violentmonkey, which is the open source alternative.
 
Mat
Will keep that in mind
 
9:22 PM
@Makyen yes, I've seen those
 
@Joshua because there aren't accepted or upvoted answers in your original Q
you can accept your own answer, though :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: ADA bug strikes again. Thanks.
 
np. I'm not hammering with your answer, I'm not savvy enough in those process calls + I'm completely out from jetlag I should go to
sorry, I collapsed.
Maybe @AnttiHaapala can find/close as dupe?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: It's ok. There's probably more than one candidate.
 
@Joshua yours doesn't say about the 0, 0 special case :P
 
9:32 PM
@AnttiHaapala From the user's perspective, the problem is that those issues will be there for the foreseeable future. The primary developers of GM4 made a choice to significantly change the userscript APIs and not offer compatibility with the APIs which GM3 used and all other userscript managers use. The explicit plan is to never offer that compatibility. All older userscripts which use those APIs must be re-written to work with GM4.
For scripts that use the userscript API just to make cross-domain AJAX requests, that's not too difficult. For almost everything else it can be substantial. GM4 has a small installed base compared to the alternatives TM + VM. Most userscript writers will almost certainly focus on Tampermonkey and/or Violentmonkey first, due to that being what they are likely to be using and it's the dramatically larger portion of the possible users. Thus, functionality in GM4 will, usually, be an afterthought.
@M-M Do you want this one removed?
 
M-M
@Makyen yes please. Needs a reproducible example of inputs to make sure this is a duplicate. Right now, I am not sure about it. Thanks.
 
@Makyen the one script that had problems had a trivial fix which was just related to different variable scoping.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
is the latter a troll btw? looks like a markov chain
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Coming from the FAQ, I landed on "Close Vote Queue Graph", but it is empty. So...is this still actively maintained or kind of a dead link?
 
9:39 PM
@zx485 probably that was linked to Closey at some point; a bot who's been dead for the past two years
 
ah, k then.
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm glad that one was easy. :-) Some are; some aren't. :-(
 
10:28 PM
@JohnDvorak @Makyen if you're still interested in the mysterious click, here is an MCVE: jsfiddle.net/jr1d0osu
@zx485 meh, I need to revisit that and look into what is broken.
 
11:03 PM
@rene When you execute QUnit.test() it appears that everything in the HTML from <div id="qunit-fixture"> is cloned and replaced. This means that the event listener you added prior to that call is on a different <button> than now exists in the DOM. The btn.click(); works because it's firing the event on the original <button> to which you've saved a reference with the original var btn =.
If btn is defined within the QUnit.test(), then it references the new <button>, which doesn't have an event listener assigned to it. QUnit is expecting to be used mostly with jQuery, so it probably does a jQuery .clone(), which can be set to copy the jQuery based event listeners, but not the vanilla JavaScript listeners, because the underlying Node.cloneNode() doesn't have that capability.
jQuery gets around this by keeping an internal record of where all listeners are placed using it's methods.
 
Mat
Interesting. Indeed <button id="saveButton" onclick="save()">test</button> works
I suppose if you don't need to change the eventlistener that's the easiest way to go
 
11:21 PM
@rene You can confirm that the original btn is disconnected from the DOM by console.log(btn.parentNode.parentNode); within the QUnit.test(). That outputs null for the original btn, but is the <body> for the one that exists within the QUnit.test(). QUnit cloning the HTML content is a good way to go, but should be documented, as it's usually desirable for tests to be independent and there could be tests which change the HTML structure, which should be, and is, restored between tests.
 

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