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Request Generator updates: release version to 1.6.5 (GitHub) (install). The alpha version to 1.8.7.0 (GitHub) (install). Both resolve a bug with the quick substitutions affecting the CRUDE room.
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The alpha version update also includes: the existence of a bounty is only reported as a problem for cv-pls; correct for SE not accurately handling the top margin when showing notifications; enable update checks on the alpha branch.
The alpha version continues to not work with Greasemonkey 4 on Firefox, but works with Tampermonkey and Violentmonkey on all browsers they support.
 
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@StephenKennedy thanks for that, much appreciated. Beginner's mistake 😀 I've learned from previous mistakes and prepared a more polished text, since I figured out that most people only read that and candidate score to make up their minds
I've also got less enemies (I think)
 
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02:45
@StephenKennedy I don't think a mea culpa would be a good idea. People who remember last year candidates are not the majority. Besides, when you say "I've improved", it means that it was a very bad situation before (which wasn't). They'll read the meta questionnaire to make up their minds. Others will take 2 minutes to choose, given the information on the main election page. I've prepared my blurb, will post it and you tell me about it.
Also: the candidates who won had some other assets, like room owners, bot coders, and such, that I don't have. I'm not going to copy that 😀 My commenting style has not only improved, it has changed drastically. But when you start on the site (like me a few years ago), it's hard to understand when a really "WTF" question is popping up.
@StephenKennedy run awayyyy
03:01
It's closed now
It's deleted now
Right in the middle of a mod flag, grr
Yup, -10 and Martijn Pieters helped to delete it
@U9-Forward I just noticed that you also answered that question. Besides now being involved in the question (Which makes your request against the rules of this room cc. @Makyen), the question was indeed an attempt to try and troll users. The best course of action was to indeed close the question, and not feed the trolls.
Hmmm, has the SO community recently started flagging comments after rolling back vandalism?
What do you mean by that?
03:14
@FrankerZ I realized at the end i shouldn't of done that, but sorry, i woun't do that again
I can't find my automated comments about vandalism on all posts in the past 3 days.
Might be a good thing to bring up on Meta
@iBug I know I've seen some on SO. I think it was in the last 3 days.
Find out who's deleting them, and for what reason
e.g., I expect there's one here since it's vandalized and I see flagging events in my console logs.
To be exact, I'm wondering if there are people flagging comments starting with "Please don't make more work for people by vandalizing your posts"...
@Makyen I found one on Feb 28, but couldn't find another on Feb 27, guess that's strange...
03:17
Could be the OP marking it as "No longer needed". It can be conversational, and warrant deletion after a few days
@U9-Forward Please review #15 in our FAQ, which is the rule which @FrankerZ mentioned that's about not making requests for posts in which you are involved. If you haven't already, it would be a good idea to go through the rest of the FAQ too.
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Tiw
Tiw
I was thinking, is it possible to let the room detect those cv-pls, and when the link is already closed/deleted, color the message accordingly?
There is a userscript which you can use, to show you current pending requests
03:20
@Makyen Sorry, thanks for telling me
Tiw
Tiw
@FrankerZ Thanks. So it only work when I click the button?
@IBug depending on how this is formulated, this could be seen as rude. Yeah, I know. Be extra nice, cherry on top.
There should be messages on the right hand side
Tiw
Tiw
I mean if the room could add background to those cv-pls/del-pls messages automatically , that would be great.
03:22
They show things like c:(0) or deleted depending on how many close votes each has
Tiw
Tiw
Anyway, I'll try this first, thanks :)
@Tiw The script which was linked above currently has 3 options for how to style "completed" requests: no change; hide them (but not you own); and shrunk-faded (all, including your own) (this is the default).
Tiw
Tiw
I see
Is what I said possible? to change the messages' background color.
For example, closed one change to yellow or so, deleted change to dark red.
@Tiw Yes, but it gets a bit complicated, due to other colors being used by SE chat to indicate other things. Colors would need to be chosen which are distinct from the various others already in use, and how to color things that are affected by multiple criteria would need to be chosen. In addition, (at least IMO) once a request is complete, there's no need to draw attention to it, rather attention should be drawn away form it (i.e. it's done, not in need of additional attention).
@iBug As long as the comments are being flagged as "no longer needed", that's fine. They are, in fact, no longer needed once the OP gets the information. Once the OP has that and isn't vandalizing, removing them is a good thing, as there's no need to be calling out the OP for vandalism forever. OTOH, I can understand some concern over the possibility that they are being flagged as R/A or "unwelcoming".
I've been using that text, or something quite close to it, for quite some time. While I have not placed as many of those comments as you are now doing, nobody has mentioned that there's a problem to me.
Tiw
Tiw
Yeah, that's what I thought. Maybe some distinct dark colors, plus grey out. I mean if it's made to be a built-in functionality of this room, without user-added scripts, it would be a little relief to both the server and the users.
03:43
@Tiw Unfortunately, in general, updates to Chat are very unlikely. Chat is something that gets even less development time than things on the main site.
What you're basically suggesting implies allowing each room to run custom CSS and JS. I'd consider it very unlikely that SE would permit that level of customization for each chat room. If they did, and did not require that each user had to specifically opt-in for each individual page, I'd probably stop using chat, as I'd consider it a very significant security hole to permit rooms to define custom JS that was automatically run, without explicit user approval.
Tiw
Tiw
Ahh... Good point. Got it, thanks for the explanation :)
np. I know that for some things and in some ways it would be quite convenient, but there are a lot of potential issues with allowing it. At least with userscripts, each user has to opt-in and has a chance to review the userrscript code prior to loading it.
Tiw
Tiw
Yep, give it a second thought, many of us do like to have control over many things.
04:13
@Makyen I installed Madara customization and it's excellent. Dark theme, code formatting, image pasting...
 
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06:10
Triggered by that deleted answer on the former.
07:06
mmmh not so many stars at night.
@tripleee echo
@Jean-FrançoisFabre cho .. cho ... cho
:)
wouldn't it be time to automate SO => software recommendations migration?
@tripleee sure about the dupe?
@Jean-FrançoisFabre common FAQ, reasonable canonical, feel free to dig up a better one?
07:21
okay, sold.
@tripleee oooh not too far from python gold 😀 keep it up.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre thanks, really working on it!
though by current projection I think I will reach 100k before Python 1k
I'm sure it takes time to get 60 points. Not that many quality questions to answer to... And I'm also lurking 😀
python tag is becoming tougher and tougher every year. Starting with a new account it would take me forever to get gold. Same for c...
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I've found a few niches where I can contribute, subprocess with Bash being an obvious one, but the majority of questions are obviously duplicates
Morning all \o
o/
07:43
subprocess is a winner, with all the combinations of errors which make it hard to close as duplicate @tripleee
I'm on the other half: subprocess + windows. A mess :)
08:18
@Shree Code added, is that now MCVE?
@MichaelDodd yep but still debug this code for me. So I don't request for dump.
@Shree so now TB? Just trying to figure out if I should cast the final vote
yep.
@Shree done
Thanks.
08:40
SO mods are on a roll today
@Magisch oh?
@MichaelDodd custom mod flag turnover is under 10 mins atm
@Magisch nice, must be a near empty queue again
09:00
@Magisch that seems way too wrong.
We're clocking below 1 minute
@BhargavRao Are you the person who snipes my flags right as I do them :D?
Mornin' o/
There are some 5 mods actively doing that now.
@BhargavRao damn I poked the beehive
I was wondering why it was so fast. Usually I flag faster then it gets handled. But not today
The queue is at 0, so flag how many ever you want ...
Also, you started some 5 minutes after I had completed my work twitter.com/BhargavHS/status/1102477557222391810 ... so was free ;p
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Version 2.1.0 of the Unclosed Request Review Script (URRS) has been released (GitHub) (install). It includes Natty reports treated as a del-pls, the "update" button is now optional (default shown), the "completed" style can be applied in chat/search/transcript/user pages (user option; default applied in all), OR search is more robust wrt. problems with SE search, etc.
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@double-beep You were wanting ^
hey @Makyen will you run in this year's mod election?
@Magisch I'm thinking about it, but I haven't decided yet.
10:11
@BhargavRao I have a small question if you don't mind. Are mods at liberty to share aggregate stats about flagging or is that confidential? I looked in SEDE but can't find a good angle to aggregate it
Apart from what Shog shares every year, even we don't have any stats about the flags ...
I can see some very small stuff like there's 700 flags raised today, that's about it
(cya, will be back in some 5~6 hrs)
10:26
stackoverflow.com/questions/54976559/… is an odd one… seems to duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/54965682/… but is actually better written, as a question.
About stackoverflow.com/questions/54976559/…, see also comment stackoverflow.com/questions/54976559/…: Now, this looks suspicious, on-going contest? hiring contest? interview assignment? Dunno if it merits moderator attention or what…
10:55
@sideshowbarker No it does not merit moderator attention even if it is an on-going contest etc.., if you don't like it downvote, if you think it's not useful for SO find an appropriate close reason.
if you think there is something shady with users, upvotes etc then that's a different story..., but as I read the comment, it was not suggesting this
11:15
@Makyen I may have miscommunicated, due to using how the functionality is implemented in the script to describe what changed. From the user's point of view, each Natty report isn't a del-pls which user's should act on in that way. What I was abbreviating is that Natty reports will be have the "completed" style applied to them when the linked SO post is deleted. In the area of the script that's doing this, it's exactly the same, from the script's POV, as if the Natty report was a del-pls.
alter ego?
??
@Shree Makyen replied to themselves
I assume it was simply intended to clearly link the messages though
^that
:)
11:23
:-)
:--)
Pinocchio?
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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@PetterFriberg OK, thanks
11:38
@PetterFriberg Yeah
Are you sure?
@PetterFriberg This confused me so much because I only saw it after it was edited, saw a notification on chrome but no ping
:), chat fun...
Zoe
Zoe
12:23
right xd
12:37
@PearlySpencer that answer looks to have merit, why should it be deleted?
12:52
:45525349 is that link blocked by SO, that they post it in plain text every time?
user8682794
@Adriaan because the question has no merit at all. It does not add anything to the site. It is about very basic syntax that can be easily figured out from the help file.
^ On the fence for that last SD report. I don't see any immediate affiliation and the lack of a link doesn't quite meet the threshold for me
Ah right, known spammer
yeah i was on the fence too.
when in doubt ask the bot
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(new slogan) tm
lol
@SmokeDetector huh? Martijn can unilaterally delete as spam, being a mod. Is it against the mores of mods to do so without any other community member flagging?
@Adriaan Mods can do as they wish, imagine if they came across a post with heavy explicit swearing and chose not to delete as it hadn't been flagged ;)
13:00
@Adriaan we were discussing this just now in Charcoal, he has a bunch of samples from earlier
he unilatirally deleted at least some of the earlier samples but I wanted them to be reported to Metasmoke also
@MichaelDodd I don't think its such that the user is a known spammer, at least from what I've seen today there have been several posts advertising King (not from that user), earlier today in here there was one recommending it over AWS
@NickA Yeah that's what I meant by "known spammer", the service advertised, not the user
ahhh
@PearlySpencer why?, the answer is not a bit useful?
13:13
@PetterFriberg reading the comments, and the revisions, the initial question was not very good, and I guess Pearly might be disgruntled because of that and the discussion. But I agree with you, the answer seems useful
user8682794
@PetterFriberg it is a bit useful if you do not know how to write a simple for loop.
well stackoverflow.com/questions/85190/…... if you don't you kind of use SO :)
@PetterFriberg ah, the good old days, when 'how to git' or similar would get you +1000
I like to help you with stata, but I will skip that...
@Makyen thanks, the new URRS works fine.
14:11
damn out of delvotes
14:51
@rene are you aware that the "discussion" and "moderation" links on top right are AWOL ? review works.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I thought they were just meant to be decorative while highlighting what happens here...
I think they are, you're right. Someone had to click on them :)
16:36
can a RO bin my request: stackoverflow.com/q/54987030
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you mean this one?
@Jean-FrançoisFabre better ping a RO targeting at your specific message. @Makyen is the one I can see in the chat room now.
16:51
/o 'lo
17:08
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
np. Thanks for the ping and linking to the request.
@Makyen I think I have found a small in the URRS userscript. When selected a message from transcript e.g. i.sstatic.net/MTktx.png and message chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/45527784#45527784 you see where c:(n) exist. Is this ?
17:25
@double-beep Thanks for reporting it. I assume you mean that the c:(n) is somewhat inside the message. It looks like The Stack Overflow Unofficial Patch (SOUP) is fixing that general SE Chat formatting issue for me, so I don't see it on my main profile. However, it would be a good idea to fix that in the URRS too. I'll check out what SOUP is doing to fix the issue.
@Makyen of the bug using SOUP. Yes, that is what I meant.
17:50
@PearlySpencer As with the other people that have replied, it doesn't appear this question should be deleted to me. The reason you give, as applied to this question, doesn't sound like a reason to delete a question, IMO. While the question does appear to be a basic, it's not incredibly basic. Being a basic question isn't a reason for a question to be off-topic and deleted.
I'm sure we cold come up with questions that are so basic that they should be deleted, but just being something that can be "easily figured out from the help file" isn't at that level, or at least this isn't, IMO. If "could figure it out from the help file" was the criteria, then we'd have to delete a significant percentage of the questions on SO.
removes a ceiling tile and peeks in
All yalls better not be causing crazy in here.
Zoe
Zoe
Does tag merger require a meta post or just an alias request thingy on the tag?
Feel free to ask
No one will set you ablaze in meta :V
Not physically at least
18:22
its only imaginary downvotes
Zoe
Zoe
@JohnDvorak Yea, I'd rather not be on literal fire ^^"
at mos
Come on, Eisley-en
I think my hands are fixed.
No pain in the right one anymore.
Zoe
Zoe
.... except I already posted a merge request on it that never got responses xd Didn't se that coming ^^"
18:49
@Compass I'm glad to hear that. Please be careful. Such injuries are easy to aggravate. Once injured, the area is commonly less resilient than it was originally. A much lower level of use can often re-trigger issues, even after not experiencing pain for a while, even after years or decades.
19:06
@Jean-FrançoisFabre please support my FR: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/242307/…
that FR is not yet in the 6 to 8 range ...
@Makyen @whoever uses URRS, in my last request, who can see a cld d:(3)? In the post timeline there are only 2 del-votes
I can
@double-beep The question page shows 3 delete-votes.
1 del vote on the 15th, 2 del votes today, adds up to 3 votes
Yep, ^ that (well, actually, the other way around: 2 today, 1 on the 15th), but 3 all the same.
19:13
Keep in mind the @Makyen makes no bugz ....
Oh, there are, usually, plenty of bugs. (1/2) :-) and (1/2) :-(
19:32
looks like it meant to be stack but turned to tack
19:48
@Makyen maybe I missed the one on 15th.
20:00
The nomination phase of the election has begun! Is there anyone interested here for nominating themselves?
Zoe
Zoe
Here we go :*
@double-beep Are there other options except nominating yourself?
Zoe
Zoe
Don't think so
20:04
@Machavity pf, four minutes in and no nominations.
@Zoe awesome, let's keep it that way. Don't want to run the risk of getting a diamond by surprise ...
Zoe
Zoe
If you win the election by being nominated without you knowing about it, that alone is pretty damn impressive xD
If elected, I promise more cowbell for everyone!
Zoe
Zoe
What about cake?!
@Zoe that would be a lie then.
Zoe
Zoe
20:09
Isn't all politics that?
And the Meta post with the questionnaire.
> Not every question was compiled. As we received a haiku-based submission, I've arbitrarily opted to select an additional question, bringing our total number along with our pre-set questions to 11 questions.
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I see @Machavity threw his hat in the race.
careful you can damage someone with that hard hat.
:P
Zoe
Zoe
xD
@Machavity good luck!
20:15
@Nkosi Well, in all fairness, Compass did headbutt me, not the other way around :P
@Machavity "in boca al lupo" you will make a great mod!
@Machavity Contrats on being the first nomination :-). Good luck!
@PetterFriberg Maybe. If I can come up with a good haiku, that is :P
You bet :)
Zoe
Zoe
Is there a list of mod tools somewhere?
20:21
No, not even mods have such list ...
Zoe
Zoe
ouch
I spent weeks and documented half of it ... there's just too many.
I wanted to raise an issue on next room meeting, where the heck is it on github (true I had a few beers and I'm mobile but I cant find it)
Especially since they added that new set of tools where you can access the users web cam.
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Zoe
Zoe
xD
20:22
@Zoe Yes. It's in Tim Post's office on a sticky note, somewhere. He's still looking for it
next to the keys
Zoe
Zoe
@Machavity Are you sure you mean a sticky note and not a full file binder?
Good luck!
20:24
Thanks for all the well wishers
And some good fishes from me as well, @Machavity =}
@Machavity Good luck! :)
You planning on answering the questionnaire?
Zoe
Zoe
Isn't that a requirement?
@Zoe not really ...
Zoe
Zoe
Oh.
20:35
it won't help if you don't ...
good luck @Machavity
@Zoe In theory, no. In practice, probably.
@gunr2171 Wow, he left a meeting just to wish me luck!
Zoe
Zoe
So no "answer or be disqualified", but it helps
21:15
@Machavity left a comment on your nomination
that first bit is, of course, an attempt at dry humor :)
Good luck, man.
21:28
@LynnCrumbling not dry enough ... ;)
<grin>
Newly christened 10ker, btw..
Just hit it today.
...only took 6 years
Congrats
Shows that you're not a FGITWer
@BhargavRao Thanks :)
@LynnCrumbling awesome, now you can cause havoc, I mean, delete questions ...
hey, I was running through the CV queue for Atlassian being #5 on a bunch....
21:31
@LynnCrumbling Congrats!
@TylerH now on, to "protect" privilege :)
@LynnCrumbling it's quite overrated, trust me :-)
Ah, I've not been active with the atlassian burn .. :\
Had other stuff to complete...
@BhargavRao same, I even promised I'd be more active
though I have been doing a bit of cleanup here and there
21:42
There's a fox running for mod now!
Zoe
Zoe
I'm not a fox >~<
@rene Now I know why you said this
@Zoe Well, good luck to you anyways :)
Zoe
Zoe
Thanks ^^ Good luck to you too :)
21:59
holy crap, I forgot all about meagar. Haven't seen him in a while
meanwhile, unrelated to SO, any D&D fans in here may be interested to learn there's a kickstarter for an animated special for the cast of critical role that's already earned 2.1million USD in 4 hours kickstarter.com/projects/criticalrole/…
Just popping in late-night to congratulate @Zoe and @Machavity for running in the Moderator election :)
Looking forward to seeing the full list
Zoe
Zoe
Thanks ^^ It's gonna be an interesting election ^^
22:15
There are 2 seats, we have 2 candidates. Let's call it a day, hand out the diamonds and move on
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Zoe
Zoe
Fastest Gun In The Moderator Election?
@BhargavRao did you finish that writeup for the mods in time?
@Machavity We've already got a puppy and a horse with diamonds; it's about time we had a fox
On another note, I'm only 10 rep away from my arbitrary 5555 milestone. Hopefully that'll be a nice thing to wake up to tomorrow morning
night all \o
22:30
@TylerH Yup.
for the *new mods
ah
I thought it was for the existing mods to know something
was it just onboarding documentation/material?
btw, I said I was not working that hard on but apparently I have the most actions taken on it so far... that's not good, heh
Yep, onboarding stuff..
22:51
@TylerH I suspect people are burning out - no pun intended. I don't mind helping on a burn once in a while but they're a bit tedious, truth be told.
23:03
@Zoe @Machavity Glad to see you two running in the election! Best of luck to both of you!
@GBlodgett I'd have been quite happy with Rene's idea to just hand the diamonds to those 2 and just get on with things, personally :) (don't tell Jean I said that :))
nothing to close this evening then? or is everyone engrossed in election drama?
@StephenKennedy Is Jean running? I thought he was but I don't see his nomination. I suppose theres still the rest of the week for that
@GBlodgett Yeah he's running and I'm told he has his nomination written and ready to go, so idk why it's not been posted yet. He's also changed his profile pic - now he is at least vaguely smiling :)
...and apparently doubled in age overnight
@StephenKennedy New profile pic- that's a big deal. :) I'll keep a lookout for his nomination
@StephenKennedy He's French. He wants to make a dramatic entrance :P
I'm not worried that he'll enter. He's talked about it all week
23:17
@StephenKennedy for sure; it's often a thankless job, too
@Machavity Or "he's French and on a 15 hour lunch break"
@StephenKennedy rooooohhhhhh
@MatthieuBrucher Doesn't apply to you obviously, you're a Londoner now me old China
@TylerH So, my 2 from here I thought would run were JFF and 1 of Machavity or Nathan Oliver. Not a bad shout, but obv I was wrong on the number :)
@StephenKennedy Well, I still have a son in France :p
23:32
@Machavity What badge are you missing to be on 39 rather than 40 score?
@StephenKennedy He's missing Sportsmanship
upvote a competing answer at least 100 times where an answer of yours has a positive score
endorsement retracted
(that's my way of saying the metrics are a bit stoopid) I'll take any further observations to the election chat room. Catching up on the transcript now... it's rather long
I had that Sportsmanship after some 3 months on the site ;p
There are good answerers in the python tag
and some FGITWers
23:49
@BhargavRao A lot of my answers are on older posts where I feel the existing answers are lacking, and I don't do FGITW. Sportsmanship would be a hard acquisition for me :) Did you have the full 40/40 when you ran and got elected?
@StephenKennedy I had 40/40 an year before I ran :p
@BhargavRao If it says anything, I have the Unsung Hero gold badge
When I checked in the Nov 2015 elections, I already had 35+/40...
I expect it will be a long time before I get a sportsmanship badge. Not because I'm unwilling to upvote other people's answers, but because I almost entirely answer in low traffic tags. Just having a second answer is a very rare thing. I can't upvote what doesn't exist.
@BhargavRao Alright, there's no need to show off :) A "yes" would be have been adequate :P
23:53
D:
@Makyen What's your score - 39 also?

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