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user10976548
I don't see an offensive answer. What do I tell the bot?
user10976548
I think its because a user who is answering the question is named William Fuks.
user10976548
@Vakore that username is valid and not offensive
user10976548
01:38
@SamuelLiew Ok. Is there a way to message the bot and tell it that username is OK?
If you are not a SmokeDetector privileged user, then you can let another user handle the feedback. Alternatively you can submit an issue on the repo.
02:02
@Vakore Yes, you are correct, that is the reason it was reported. There are various methods for determining exactly why something is detected. One way is to click on the MS link. Another is to issue the command why to the bot for the report. There's also the userscript FIRE‌​, which shows a popup with the reasons.
@Vakore If you're asking how to give feedback to SmokeDetector (SD), then I suggest that you read through the SD wiki. You'll also want to look at the available commands and the Feedback Guidance, along with all the pages linked from those pages. For use in SOCVR, you should read the SD section in the SOCVR FAQ.
@Vakore If you're asking how to make SD not report the use of the name like that: While it's possible for us to do, the use of that user's name in a context that is not that person making a post (i.e. someone using that name inside a post) is a very rare occurrence. It's unlikely we would write a special case to the detection for that. If you're concerned about the name being detected as the author of a post, there are existing methods to do that, when it's an issue, or even proactively.
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@StephenKennedy was it so offensive what you wanted to ask me that it got flagged and deleted?
inb4 Stephen says the same thing again and gets flagged again
07:35
Morning all \o
07:52
o/
08:28
@SmokeDetector looks OK to me
in Java, 5 mins ago, by Suraj Rao
Dunno if this is rant or qualifies as an answer
08:52
that's a double post dear
@SurajRao It's Tuesday morning entertainment, that's what :)
^ Actually, tempted for spam on that one, second opinion?
Nilesh says yes, gonna pass onto SD
09:26
you've got a typo in the function name: showSlides vs showSlide. Also I'm not sure why you're escaping the single quotes in the onclick attribute, there's no need for this (and I don't know if what you have there will even work, although it might). Main issue as I said is the different names. — Robin Zigmond 7 mins ago
10:06
Morning o/
10:56
How come this "possible duplicate" comment is upvoted 7 times but the question is still not closed as a duplicate?
Flagging as duplicate by low rep users upvotes the comment but doesnt contribute to close votes
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@SurajRao I see, thanks.
@mkrieger1 also it's a regular comment, so one can upvote a comment without flagging/close voting
@rene yes it was very rude indeed you p... lol no, I wanted to clarify something you wrote in the answer you pointed me to yesterday, then found it was already covered in the comments. sorry abt the unnecessary pings!
11:20
@RiggsFolly I agree that that's definitely too broad, but I don't see any request for off-site resources there. Unless the OP edited it out during the grace period?
user3956566
I'm so excited to see who runs for mod from in here. :D Anyone being vocal about it yet?
11:38
@IlmariKaronen I guess the "I dont know where to start" made me think Off Site Resource
@YvetteColomb As much fun as that would be, I haven't the time, the patience or the attitude to be a mod and would be far too harsh
Zoe
Zoe
@SurajRao @mkrieger1 it's also possible to manually upvote it without flagging or voting to close
@YvetteColomb Nobody's officially put their hat into the ring here that I'm aware of - yet
user3956566
yeh we'll have to wait
Zoe
Zoe
Mod elections are always interesting :D
11:44
I started a sweepstake last night. I'm saying 2 room regulars, 3 if Tyler H is no longer "too busy"
Bhargav nominated 4 ROs so hey guys and girls at least that would open up some RO vacancies :D
user3956566
a sweep stake. hmm
that's a posh way of saying I posted a guess ;)
@StephenKennedy huh when?
Zoe
Zoe
How many mods are they electing this time?
@SurajRao just a bit of banter in chat last night chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/45462555#45462555
11:49
@StephenKennedy ah ok thanks
Zoe
Zoe
Oh, cool
@SurajRao Missing the Convention badge so I'm ineligible anyway. Not active enough on meta!
Well, I have plenty of convention badges, just not the one required for this role :)
@MichaelDodd Yep, that's the one that rules me out too
millions of ppl disappointed that Michael & I won't stand
Zoe
Zoe
I somehow have it xD I'm never on meta though
we could have been the dream ticket and made SO great again!
@Zoe Are you thinking of standing?
Zoe
Zoe
11:52
Stephen Kennedy & Michael Dodd for moderators: "Let's make SO great again:tm:!"
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@StephenKennedy iDunno
free hats for everyone
@MichaelDodd "Awarded 2108 times" - are really that few people eligible? ;o
@Zoe "Bringing Strong & Stable leadership to the SO moderation team"
@NickA Less than that mate, as it includes existing mods and probably a few people who have since passed on (RIP)
I like being part of the common folk lol, i'm happy not standing for mod, even though i am eligible
11:55
Zoe the wolf: Vote for me or I'll eat all the kittens
Anyone does Scala with SBT? I'm wondering if I should add project/ to VCS (Git). It seems auto-generated by SBT but many people add that folder to their VCS.
@StephenKennedy "eat all the kittens" flag flag flag
... :>
@E_net4 I love kittens :(
I found this Scala room and was shocked to see it's empty, so I didn't ask there
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy And your convincing argument is where? :p
11:57
Or anyone suggest if I should ask on the main site? Seems off-topic (opinion) to me.
@Zoe OK, best call in the mods, ROs, FBI and police. I've got my hands up already.
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Pff, I'll take care of it myself :p
@StephenKennedy <3
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy eh... no one actually keeps their cats under control and they end up doing stuff on your porch instead of somewhere out of the way... That actually happened once too xd
@Zoe You should come visit me, and I'll take you to a car show, air show, some concerts of my favourite "old" bands, and a cattery :P oh and then we can do some Python programming @geisterfurz007
12:07
@Dmitry Going on the side of caution with that one. They've posted the same domain on two answers, but going to leave a comment about self-promotion first and see if they respond
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy All that sounds boring xd Aside the Python, but considering how much you love it, that might not be the best idea ;p
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@MichaelDodd that's really, really borderline imho, as OP just agrees with existing answer and adds a link. But I wouldn't risk a red flag either.
@StephenKennedy If no response I'll modflag for undisclosed self promotion. Not a red flag for me though
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy A red flag seems overkill for just two, especially when it's from a registered user
@MichaelDodd, @StephenKennedy even if it's not self promotion it's plagiarism + link only answer
Zoe
Zoe
12:13
Plagiarism from where?
Quality of the answers seem dubious though, but not flagging NAA as they'd probably squeak through the review queue
accepted answer
Zoe
Zoe
@Dmitry No it's not
@Dmitry Not word-for-word though. Premise is the same but it's not plagiarism
Zoe
Zoe
^
12:14
The usual definition of plagiarism here is copy & paste
Zoe
Zoe
Same premise is far from plagiarism.
Poor answer yes but not flaggable (yet)
@StephenKennedy You had me until Python programming :D
12:18
@geisterfurz007 Happy to skip that part lol. I was just listing things Zoe doesn't like that I do :) (apart from the Python which I was under the impression she doesn't like either)
BDL
BDL
@Dmitry The other answer from that user also contains a link to that blog. Both blog posts were written on the same day the answers were posted.
@BDL That's the reason I left a comment. If no action is taken then I'll modflag later today
Zoe
Zoe
@StephenKennedy I like it more than JS, but I prefer compiled languages
@geisterfurz007 yeah yeah xd
@BDL n/m commented answer got deleted
12:21
@BDL That seems to be a trend these days. Ppl find a question on SO, blog abt it, and then post the link to their blog. It's not altruistic at all imho, it's all abt driving traffic to their blogs (in general terms, not talking abt any specific user)
@BDL I flagged the deleted answer for mod intervention and the flag was accepted maybe we need to flag this one too.
BDL
BDL
@Dmitry Flagging the second one sounds like a good idea
13:02
Needs a limerick alternative. "There was a young mod from Boston / who tracked all the spammers but lost one..." — Shog9 ♦ 8 hours ago
Did you ...
... just post a onebox?
That contains a link to a user, no less?
on meta?
Don't worry, if he did Rene will be along shortly
13:21
@JohnDvorak Not really a onebox. But, yes, it goes to Meta. I guess I need a disclaimer that Meta may cause nausea, vomiting and intestinal cramping if viewed while infected with a stomach virus. Discontinue if results persist
@eyllanesc actually purports to have an MCVE now, though at 4 close votes, perilously close to being closed
@PearlySpencer (sorry I linked to the wrong post at first)
^ and the perilously threatened post is now self-deleted /-:
@Machavity Something is wrong on the internet, and it concerns PHP stackoverflow.com/questions/54885852/…
13:37
@StephenKennedy Yeah, not enough facepalms there. Funny thing is I use it in the way he says it isn't designed to be used
@Machavity Yeah. At one time I was actually working on a service (deamon) written in PHP. FWIW I'd just found a page in the manual about CLI usage but refrained from posting as I saw you'd commented and it wouldn't be good to pile on.
oh dear, might need that CLI page after all
@StephenKennedy Funny thing is PHP-FPM is a standalone service that web servers connect to via socket. If he ever fiddles with nginx he'll learn that. Apache often runs PHP as a module
Because PHP is that unstable?
You mean the FPM thing? Nah. You get better performance with an nginx/FPM setup than Apache running mod-php
At some point I've got muck our devops out and get PHP running like that
13:49
@geisterfurz007 Hey those should be my stars! It was I who quoted it! Now something really is wrong on the internet! :P
Mine! Mine, mine! Mine, Mine! MINE!
I'll get you one of these days @geisterfurz007!
@geisterfurz007 Mine?
Morning
I got my watch last night from the SE time contest. \o/
WOAH!
That's neat :)
+1 - that is pretty cool
My manager collects watches. He has a lot of time on his hands.
14:00
That's a pretty nifty watch though :)
@NathanOliver So what time is it? It's closing time!
It's always closing time \o/
It's time to find out why the UPS on the server is beeping!
Battery dead?
14:03
Dunno, I'm a developer not a sysadmin
Well, develop some sysadmin skills ;)
^ I'll wait to see if they post a second answer self-promoting. They seem well-intentioned and do disclose, though don't think it's a helpful answer.
@NathanOliver is it a Swiss one though?
@Adriaan I don't believe so. It is a logomark watch creations
@Adriaan Just found an article on it. It's Japanese.
But even the image you posted has japan on the watch face
unless the Swiss has outsourced their watches to Japan. :P
14:16
lol Didn't even notice that. BTW, that picture was from a pixle 2 and man is that a nice camera. Even as a JPG you can zoom in pretty far.
@MichaelDodd you left out the Jim I'm a developer Jim, not a sysadmin. Let's see who gets the reference. lol
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@Nkosi I don't care if you're a devloper Bones, I need a sysadmin
what happens to old(er) closed question? ^^
ROFL
@treyBake Depends. If they were well received, nothing. IF not then the roomba might get it depending on a lot of factors: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/…
14:21
@NathanOliver Obligatory link
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@NathanOliver ahh I see, ty, just didn't seem like there was too much a point closing a >5year question if it did nothing
@treyBake It was attracting attention/answers from low rep users that were not adding any additional value. (its already been deleted)
@treyBake Well it got protected because it was getting poor answers that didn't add anything, and it was getting poor answers that didn't add anything because it was off-topic as typo :P
14:23
@Nkosi ah that ol' chestnut. Guess that makes sense
@treyBake There really isn't. We actually have a rule asking to not close older questions unless there is new activity on it. This one was so it is okay. We close them then so people can't use them as an excuse that since it was okay then it should be okay now.
Seems crazy to me that low-rep users think they'll get a million upvotes on questions like that by either repeating the accepted answer or adding something completely unnecessary xD
if there is a text box on the internet, someone is going to ise it
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14:25
XCKD on no MCVE
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You'd be surprised how many time I've received a text or email and found myself looking for the close vote or down vote button
i've found myself replying to messages like that with a no mcve, too broad, opinion based, ...etc
good thing there is a delay when i press send so i can catch some of them. most times its too late.
ah well
@Nkosi You've been out in the sun too long NKosi (understandable, given your locale) :)
And we are in the middle of dry season :P
Carnival is next week so at least that's a plus.
15:10
Waffles, wrong question
@MichaelDodd Yum, I like waffles as well.
@MichaelDodd Though I must say, the two upvotes are a bit suspicious.
@E_net4 Perhaps, but there's no pattern elsewhere, probably a one-off
15:36
I think someone is trying to ragequit SO
Who? :P
multiple cases of self-vandalism
I notice my v is being recorded as tp-
is that normal
i thought k and v are differnet
steel plate and glass marbles
k = tpu and v = tp. The "u" indicates the user should be blacklisted. We save that for red flags
15:38
oh mein gott
You want to catch these the same
(deleted less than 5 seconds after being reported)
@Machavity hmm... why don't we want to tpu vandalism-posters?
blacklisting a vandal means you get a SD report for every edit they make, valid or not
until the first fp one, n'esc-ce pas?
15:40
Yes. A subsequent FP will clear a blacklist
I do think we want tpu then
@JohnDvorak If they make toxic edits, I'd do tpu
@Makyen Can you better explain why we don't tpu vandalism to @JohnDvorak?
15:46
v for (self) vandalism. We (non Charcoal programmers) shouldn't need to worry about what happens beyond that. It's complicated enough already.
it's also unclear to me why they use 'k' when everyone else uses 'tp'
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Idk how much work you did with that mini-burn, but when I came to finish the job last night there were only 2 questions left, one of the 2 which got sent to dev/null and the locked one. I got those dealt with and the tag is now gone :) Thanks again for the help!
@StephenKennedy I think I removed all the tags except the 2 you mentionned. But it was really quick. Don't mention it.
@SurajRao better to close that as GC imo
plus it will roomba automatically if answer isn't accepted.
Roomba is more liberal on non-dupes
@NathanOliver nice!
15:55
well there is some leeway with regards to dev tools so wasnt entirely sure if GC applied
@SurajRao VMWare as a dev tool would be really pushing it imho, but I stand to be corrected :)
Moderator candidate questionnaire is up, and I don't think of any question to ask myself...
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@Jean-FrançoisFabre AHA we have a declaration :)
As long as candidating is free of charge, I'm in :)
@YvetteColomb We got a live one ^
16:02
It was fun last year, despite the fact that I got my ass kicked. And nowadays, who succeeds at their first try at anything?
(or their second)
I think Baum will be on it too.
@JohnDvorak The Feedback Guidance is that self-vandalism should be tp, for which v is an alias. It says "At a system level, we’d want to catch and block people doing this, but it’s not worth blacklisting the user because it’s usually a one-time incident. Most users, when warned, don’t do it again." So, generally, I agree that it should be tp, not tpu.
IMO, if the user is repeatedly vandalizing their posts, or vandalizing them in a way that is not trivially caught by SD, then adding them to the user-blacklist can be a legitimate thing to do. Again, that's my opinion and it's a judgement call (and implies I'll watch the SD reports closely and quickly FP if the next is not a valid detection). Adding a self-vandalizing user should not be the first response you go for.
In the past, it was a bit harder for someone to be removed from the user-blacklist, but that's been significantly improved over the last year. Thus, it used to be a bit more desirable not to add a user to the user-blacklist. Adding the user to the user-blacklist also draws significantly more attention to them, or at least their next post or edit, which may not be warranted.
user3956566
@StephenKennedy thanks for the heads up :) You have my vote @Jean-FrançoisFabre happy to hear you're in.. now do we put everyone in a dome and .. oh that's hunger games nm :D
Rob went well beyond the call of duty here! Very impressive! meta.stackoverflow.com/a/380634/397817
@YvetteColomb thanks for your support. I'd prefer a python contest than your dome thing. Or a python contest in a dome.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre wrestling a python can be dangerous too
user3956566
16:17
lol Hunger games meets Stack Overflow
@Jean-FrançoisFabre how about a fight to the death with a python in a dome?
user3956566
@Adriaan too funny
all I wanted to know was what v did, not cause a flashpoint discussion =w=
@StephenKennedy poor sod, too late ;)
Lost fight: I'll be dead python will still be running. I hope they'll bury php, though
16:18
@Adriaan you have young fingers, unfair advantage :)
the python has my vote then!
lol vote for winners!
user3956566
@Compass not your fault. Walk on by :)
@StephenKennedy about Rob, yeah. And not sure you needed mods privileges for what he did. You just need 10k+ and patience
=w= soon I will get lunch
user3956566
I think it would be quite good to have a python on the team. It would be a conversation changer
16:20
ssssssssssssss
@YvetteColomb wazzit?
user3956566
@TylerH yeh... you know, place the mod candidates in a dome...?
@yvette you're partial to animals anyway.
user3956566
anyone else watch those movies? they were great
user3956566
16:21
@Jean-FrançoisFabre exactly!
user3956566
Steve Irwin taught me to love snakes
Steve Irwin the legend. May he rest in prace
peace
Oh I couldn't stand the first one (Hunger Games) more than 5 minutes. Maybe I'm too old for this s**t
user3956566
yep, bless his soul. A good man
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre erm, I'm 51...
16:23
@YvetteColomb it's all in the head
^^not sure about age, 21 and I hate the films (not read the books).

^ apparently his son is exactly like him and has his own little show
As they always say: "the book is better"
user3956566
@treyBake huh?
I could never love snakes but nor could I ever wish to harm one. Live and let live.
And even if it's bad you don't need to read it aloud like the movie does
16:24
@YvetteColomb Steve Irwin's son has his own animal show not seen any yet, but could be cool
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre erm... that's called a narrator :p
user3956566
@treyBake ah yes ofc
I often save trapped flies, spiders, ... same here. There's no good & evil below
user3956566
anyway I need to go to bed... night all
user3956566
@Jean-FrançoisFabre agree and me too
16:25
@StephenKennedy you're missing out on some amazing animals, reptiles in general are the best!
trapped flies are excellent spider food
@YvetteColomb \o
@YvetteColomb night o/
@treyBake the best in what context? I wouldn't want to find one in my bed, for example
16:26
@JohnDvorak I let everybody their chance to live (well, except mosquitoes, but before killing them I double check to avoid to inadventently kill a gnat or such)
user10976548
I've caught tons of mice with glue traps, and my dog seems to like em and doesn't like em dying.
@YvetteColomb I'm very much for this :-D
and yes I love the Hunger Game series
Your dog is a decent human being, that's all.
If an insect isn't smart enough to not enter the space between me and my monitor, they have no place inside my home
user10976548
Yeah but my sister says otherwise.
16:27
I even evicted one spider over this
@StephenKennedy nah for the most part they're friendlier than people think :p scales needs hugs too xD
insects can't possibly comprehend the beauty of
user10976548
lovely
@Jean-FrançoisFabre If my dog is a human being, I'm pretty concerned
16:31
that was a joke of course.
Hey, stop with the cv requests, we're talking here :)
user10976548
Yeah Zote, stop it, we're talking about other bugs. :P
take your chat to "The Order of the Phoenix" room please
the level of off topic chat here is outrageous. Anyway: I like Ray Mears. He teaches about the outdoors and survival without making it overly macho.
16:34
It's the users fault: they're not generating enough bad questions ATM.
brave wilderness is pretty good, very Americanised but good nontheless
bleps over
I need protein of some sort
So I heard you were looking for carp.
user10976548
Is this close vote reviewers thing just for the main SO site, or also for the Meta Site too?
Zoe
Zoe
16:38
@E_net4 Aside misplacing the r, yes. :p
Nvm
@Vakore only for main site
@Zoe lol, yes
@Zoe I did mean "carp". My favourite euphemism.
meta doesn't really have a CV queue
@E_net4 fishpuns again.
Zoe
Zoe
16:39
@Vakore No. Rule 9
"unclear, gimme the cod"
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I sea what you did there.
user10976548
Just don't give me any of those fish eggs.
Zoe
Zoe
@Vakore Will chicken eggs be acceptable?
this could go on and on...
user10976548
16:40
@Zoe Shell yeah!
Zoe
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's how it goes when you ignore [cv-or-else]'s :p
RIP markdown xd
I'd rather have a coffee jar than caviar
you engish native speakers are way too advantaged with this fishpun stuff.
user10976548
I question Ramsay's skill when he says Caviar is his favorite delicacy.
Zoe
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, but the rest of the world has fish fingers ;)
Zoe
Zoe
@Jean-FrançoisFabre sigh This wouldn't have happened if you hadn't tried being so punny!
user10976548
Don't search all-star but fishes sing it...
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well as a Frenchman, you should know your plaice
I just starfished your message
not spam, circumvented automatic filters.
user10976548
@Jean-FrançoisFabre what should I flag it for then?
16:48
@Vakore no MCVE would be fine I think: no errors
@Vakore and for that go too broad
I hammerhead sharked it. I could have answered but that was too lame.
Please stop verbing random fish! (Or, in general, stop fishing for verbs)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre ah, you had a whale of a time
I can't, I'm hooked
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Are we supposed to cod-dle you?
16:52
baits Jean to death
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I don't get the porpoise of this discussion
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Zoe
Zoe
I think this is getting out of codtroll
Fishpuns do that to you.
I'm jelly of people who can pun on the spot
out of the blue
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Stop this now or I'll fine you all 10 squid
16:56
This sounds like a red herring...
everyone's on fire today!
salmons a fireman
specially John
@Adriaan I hake offence to that
we can add new ones to the fishpun site now.
One from John Cleese: "Yellow Manta Ray my dear Watson"
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