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6:46 AM
Wow, so it doesn't mention "manually reported" any more?
 
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Ah, k.
 
 
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8:21 AM
the "enter image description here" requests could be narrowed down even more to remove questions that will roomba. Not sure how to do it without SEDE, though
 
8:32 AM
try this request and sort by date to find the real "gems" :)
 
8:53 AM
Welcome to SOCVR Patrick. Well I never saw you here before
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I am seldon putting request in -when I do I come in an check the last page for stuff I can chime in on:)
Most of the time I am browsing python and dv/cv/hammer on my own - most post will collect enough cv on there own time so need to bother the socvr
 
ping me anytime so I can use my badge :)
 
will do :)
 
You can also install Makyen tools to flag for revisit/automatically post requests
the link is on the right (starred 8 times, not enough, if you ask me)
 
Ive got the request js stuff installed so I can 1click request stuff that does not collect CV fast enough
 
8:59 AM
I used to store links in notepad++ ... sad.
 
one uses what one knows and what works :) and notepadd++ is nice to have around nmw
cu later
 
9:39 AM
@double-beep someone found the infamous "enter image here" request 😀
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre first result: stackoverflow.com/…
 
lots of work! thanks to the lazy who left the default description
 
BhargavRao left a comment.
 
yes, but Bhargav request has "answers:0" in it, so most of the questions roomba. Well, except duplicates. I have changed to "answers:1" to track down the ones that won't roomba.
 
9:59 AM
I recommend "First posts by new users" queue on week-ends...
 
Maybe we should disable the ask question button for new users on week-ends ...
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Zoe
10:45 AM
YouTube API-related: Could anyone check if the last part of the URL in this answer contains a private key (and therefore needs to be redacted)?
 
What's really happening with this question?
 
Zoe
People who can't make up their minds on whether it's TB or not
 
 
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12:38 PM
@double-beep I wouldn't touch it. Seriously, stay away from it
 
@Machavity I raised a mod-flag for content dispute and it was declined.
 
Zoe
IIRC content disputes have a very limited use area
 
If I’m in the wrong chat room, could you please direct me to the right one? I’ve been banned from reviewing for 2 or 3 days with a reason that is complete nonsense, and I’m offended and feel like never reviewing again.
 
@OleV.V. this is the correct chatroom, but you'll need to bring this up on meta and/or the contact form. Nothing we can do about bans I'm afraid.
 
Thanks, @Adriaan. Where do I find the contact form?
 
12:53 PM
@OleV.V. in the footer on every SO page or here
 
(It’s not that I can’t post a meta question, but I feel it won’t be that interesting to others. Could be mistaken.)
 
@OleV.V. meta is the common way for this kind of dispute though; there's tons of review-ban questions there
 
Yes, I saw a few.
 
Thanks, @Adriaan, you’ve been most helpful. I think I need to calm down for a couple of days, then I’ll probably post a meta question.
 
1:05 PM
 
you're welcome. As a general point about review bans: most of them are automated, i.e. failing multiple audits in a certain time period (I'm not sure about the specifics, but it's somewhere like 5 in a month or so).
Ban texts then are generated in some manner, and might be, just like close reasons, incorrect in their description to the case at hand, although the result (review ban or closed post) is correct, albeit for a different reason. Going back to your failed audits might clear things up therefor.
 
Hey! Question closed 13:09:31Z and answered 13:09:46Z how can that be done?
(About last FireAlarm report)
 
@double-beep caching. Simply write your answer before it's closed, post it a few seconds later when closure has not cached on your PC yet
Anyone with knowledge? This question is old and even OP admitted that most answers are outdated What to do with this?
 
(I think I’ve seen an answer posted up to 5 minutes after a question was put on hold once.)
 
Zoe
@double-beep IIRC you can post for up to 5 minutes after closure if you've already started writing it before it was closed, and something went wrong when trying to send the "question closed" message. Not entirely sure about the length, but there is a meta post on the topic.
 
1:17 PM
Yeah what Zoe said - there is a grace period
 
Zoe
messed up the time though xd It's 4 hours according to meta. See meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252714/6296561 and the linked meta.stackexchange.com/a/316139/332043
 
can't blame caching this time :)
4 hours seems... generous
 
Zoe
Blame the devs
 
!!/blame zoe
 
@StephenKennedy It's Steve's fault.
 
1:19 PM
darnit don't I have the blame named person script installed? :)
 
Zoe
lol
Should've seen that coming 😉
!!/blame
 
@Zoe It's Nkosi's fault.
 
!!/blame᠎ ​᠎⁠‍⁠‍‌​⁣
 
@StephenKennedy It's Zoe's fault.
 
there we go. forgot how to use it :)
 
Zoe
1:23 PM
Pff
That's cheating tho
 
@Adriaan by the way, as I saw a delete-vote in FA's report, I remembered you had asked me some time ago how I can see the delete votes. I said that I was using the Unclosed Request Review Script. However, some time ago, I found a post on MSO that said that even person with 1 reputation can see delete votes. The privilege is to cast the delete votes, not to see them. They can be seen in its post timeline.
But I cannot find the Meta Post :(.
 
1:43 PM
@double-beep must be via the timeline in that case; in the daily vote total. Not on the post itself (much like you see edit(1) on posts with a pending edit after you have 2k rep)
 
2:06 PM
@rene are you about?
 
2:44 PM
 
at least abusive.
 
3:22 PM
Community is very strange: should be a comment on post; why upvote? (this)
 
Zoe
> The object you are referring to is actually the response from the call, and it doesn;t like it bc of the size. It's not any object, just the response object from a call. If you try destructuring the part you want, then it goes away
That's an answer as to why.
 
@double-beep OP of q active in last few minutes, I would surmise they upvoted it because they found it useful
but, anyway, unless you're doing a psychology degree I wouldn't try to second guess people. As Bob Dylan said "Times are crazy, and people are strange"
 
4:07 PM
@StephenKennedy I'm now. What's up?
 
@rene I missed you, just checking you're ok
Actually there was a C# question which I wasn't sure if should be hammered or not but I accidentally closed the tab :/
 
4:48 PM
@StephenKennedy I'm alive, at least that is what I call it
 
@rene I know the feeling
 
:D
 
@rene 'vegetative state'
Als een kasplantje
 
5:08 PM
@Adriaan hehehe
 
 
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6:23 PM
or anyone else who speaks C#
 
6:54 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm curious, would flagging this post help? I can't cast real close votes just yet...
 
@grooveplex I wouldn't know, I had 3k after 5 minutes on the site, I don't remember the period before :)
 
@grooveplex No, if a close vote has been made adding a close flag wouldn't help
 
Okay, thanks :-)
 
I would know as I have been on the site for 9 years or something and still don't have 10k rep :)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre So are you at the "I could write a book about it" expertise level?
 
@StephenKennedy Well as far as I can see the test should be inside the loop. But not expert enough on task stuff
 
6:57 PM
@StephenKennedy you mean about what? Python ?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Whatever tech it is that took you to 100k in such a short time
 
There are several techs. Mainly python but also c.
 
@Steve Thanks
 
Also, there's another thing (that's probably quite off-topic for this room) but I'm really curious (and kind of worried) about?
 
I would not consider writing a book on python, and certainly not about C!!!
 
6:59 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I was asking about could not would :)
 
I'm a casual Python trainer for my company, though. So I wrote some ... slides :)
I could write a below par book about python :)
 
I got a review ban the other day. Has that ever happened to you? What should I do?
 
Happened to me a lot of times...
 
You see, in my small pond I'm considered "the expert" yet here I'm a small fry. I read books rather than being at a level where I can write them.
 
Sometimes audit questions are so lame. Those are the ones where I don't roboreview, consider for a while, then click the wrong button...
 
7:00 PM
@grooveplex Many times, especially when new
 
Ok, so it's nothing to worry about other than "try to pick the best option"?
 
@StephenKennedy same here. In my company I'm the python expert. But on the other hand I don't know a lot of stuff that my company does.
I help in a lot of projects where they need to quick develop using python (and they usually ask questions that would deserve a -5 + closure but hey I'm paid there :))
 
Cuz I had no idea you could fail questions that aren't audits
 
yes, happened to me too 😀 and not when I was new. A few months ago.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I give instructions to a guy with a Masters degree. I graduated from the school of hard knocks :)
 
7:03 PM
A moderator declines your flag and bans you manually.
@StephenKennedy I know a guy who reconverted. He was selling electrical appliances before. Better than a lot of other subcontractors I know.
Now he's reading/writing json and calls C++ DLLs in his tester app using python
(and yes, the C++ DLL I developped and the C API I wrote for python but whatever :))
@grooveplex forget it. Take a break. That gives you more time to answer questions, and drink beer.
 
It seems like I have a person downvoting my posts continuously (already downvoted 3 without a reason). What should I do? I have already contacted moderators about someone who I suspected, but got no answer. Some of the downvotes were undoed anyway by the one who did them.
 
It's not written in your file. War wound.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I can't drink beer because of my medication, but thanks :)
 
@double-beep it's very difficult to really know who downvoted. Keep on flagging your serial downvotes, and forget about punishing the guy. They'll get tired after a while.
@grooveplex okay, Vodka then (damn gluten allergies :))
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre what to flag?
 
7:08 PM
hahaha :)
 
flag your own posts and explain the situation.
happened to me too :)
 
@grooveplex Also be on the lookout for audits. Open the post in a new tab if need be. Sometimes you will find it is deleted, or has a high score (system therefore thinks it is a good post even if it's not)
 
for mod?
 
@double-beep yea i would think so
 
Audits are easily defeatable: click on the question score and see the + and - match the current score. Of could you need a calculator for this.
yeah flag your own post for moderation. There are a lot of meta questions about that. Let me find one
 
7:10 PM
And don't do what I did recently - spot an obvious audit, and then click the wrong button anyway
 
for instance you can read that: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252270/…
@StephenKennedy or the cat jumps on LMB at the very moment when the mouse is over "Looks ok"
Or you press a little too hard on those lame laptop touchpads and that clicks.
 
BTW, about the question I sent a I raised a post in Meta for that (here) and asked them to lock the post and why they declined my flag. (cc @Machavity about your comment not to touch the post)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre At least it's just an audit and not online poker with a $20k pot shudders
 
@StephenKennedy I hope you're not into that. Because those sites are run by thieves.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre hmmm, I am afraid of declines here. Moderators can't see who voted or an IP address, right?
 
7:14 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre No, it's a fantastic game but I've not played for years.
 
Moderators can't but they can see a pattern, and escalate to SE employees, who can see the account (not IP address) from where the vote originated
It takes some time, though. Worked for me most of the time for borderline cases (like 3 downvotes, more are detected automatically)
 
I'd prefer to ping a moderator here, anyway.
 
@double-beep Not allowed in SOCVR
 
@StephenKennedy ping to discuss somewhere else; not here. I will mod-flag.
Ok, I have mod-flagged one of my posts.
 
7:53 PM
and here we go: mod-flag marked helpful; not sure what will follow next.
 
Hi there. Is this chat room suited to discuss questions about reviewer comments?
 
@DanielK. We don't moderate users here but if you're asking about a single comment, or comments by multiple users it might be ok
 
Thanks, Stephen. I edited the two top answers here: stackoverflow.com/questions/45848271/…
 
@DanielK. If your question is about moderating the comment (i.e. flagging it), sure.
 
My question is what is a valid edit and what should go into comments. Obviously the reviewers differ with my decision to edit the answer. They wrote "This edit was intended to address the author of the post and MAKES NO SENSE as an edit. It should have been written as a comment or an answer."
 
8:04 PM
@DanielK. I rejected both edits. Edits are used to fix formatting problems with the answer. Your first one added a substantial amount of code and the second on modified the code block itself
If you feel something is wrong, or the poster missed something, leave a comment
 
Ok, and I though adding substantial information or correcting mistakes is exactly what should go into an edit.
 
If you feel you could improve over an existing answer, make a new answer
So your first edit was enough to almost be an answer by itself. Your edit to this answer should have been a comment
 
Okay, you are saying that instead of correcting a mistake, I should downvote the wrong answer (the one that doesn't work is this stackoverflow.com/questions/45848271/… ) and provide my own answer.
However, I can not downvote it until the answer has been edited.
I think there is something wrong with Stack Overflow's edit policy if minor mistakes in answers cannot be corrected.
 
I made a trivial edit so you can change your vote
 
8:26 PM
Nitpicking here, but images of code is no MCVE/unclear.
 
(with high rep user answering this obvious dupe)
 
i'm not sure if this is the correct chat room to ask this (would be happy to know if there is a better chat for this kind of question...)
 
I'm not saying that I never answer duplicates, but at least not the ones that are obvious and that those answerers have to know... And in FFGITW mode !!!
@TitanEilabouni ATM we don't know, you haven't asked yet
 
8:41 PM
can i change the question a bit after getting answers? i actually wanted to ask what causes the difference between the two compilers and not how to fix it...stackoverflow.com/questions/54726834/…
 
No, that is a fundamental change to the question asked, which would invalidate the present answers.
 
@TitanEilabouni else that's called chameleoning. Subject to edit rollback / downvotes.
It depends. If it's different, just ask a follow up question (with a link to that one)
 
8:59 PM
OK thanks. So this is the correct chat room for these kind of questions? if so... shouldn't it be kind of obvious that when i asked "What could be causing this" and i mentioned two different compilers that i meant what is causing the difference? i guess not since all the answers didn't ever address that...
 
@DanielK. There's a difference between correcting a mistake and adding/removing/changing things sufficiently such that the edit should be a new answer. Where that line is, is something that you have to learn with experience on Stack Overflow. That experience is largely assumed to be reflected by reputation and the 2k full edit privilege.
For changes you make as suggested edits, remember that they are commonly reviewed by people without domain knowledge, who will generally assume that changes you make to code are wrong. For your first edit, it might have been more successful, had your text included a link to what you were quoting (it should also have been in quoted code format, not just code).
For your second suggested edit, the edit comment would have been much better with a link to the man page, not just a "Try it for yourself.", which almost nobody reviewing is going to do, but they might verify the change based on a linked manpage.
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@BhargavRao hey, my discussion yesterday is rubbing off already :-P
 
Putting together a second computer build today, just started... already cut my finger :-D
 
sounds like you building one from scratch :p
 
9:09 PM
yeap
Case - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352069
PSU - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151087
SSD - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147670
Video card - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121980
 
beware of splinters when cutting trees in the forest for the case.
 
bought the case and ssd new, reusing everything else from old iterations of my main workstation build
 
SATA?
ah that'll explain why SATA
 
you need that one
 
9:11 PM
CPU - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113408
RAM (x2) - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231606
 
6502 1MHz & 48k RAM. Forces you to optimize your code
 
It's going to start out its life as a home gaming server for some friends and me
 
@TitanEilabouni While the answers didn't go into detail about the difference between the two compilers, they did both say how to fix the problem and indicated that what happens is undefined behavior. They likely didn't go into a large amount of detail about what the differences are with undefined behavior, because that's covered in a lot of different C questions. Writing code that causes undefined behavior is a very common reason for problems in C.
While they might have explained it better, there's really not much they can say about the detail of what is going on in each compiler, because what happens is, well, undefined. The people who wrote each compiler made choices as to what will happen, or even just ignored the issue and let whatever side-effects existed happen.
 
@Makyen I thought you only knew javascript :)
 
@StephenKennedy This is the main (read: OS) SSD I have for my current main build (a Ryzen build) newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB275CS7221
 
9:19 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I was programming in C way before JavaScript. :-) Here's a short list of the highlights.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Makyen is currently 1204 years old. He invented the abacus :-P
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lol :-)
 
C is a good language to know. Once you know it, you know that you have to avoid it at all costs.
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Embedded: use C++
Not embedded: use python or any language which has a garbage collector
Some interns in my company start C projects when they could have done it in python ... and suffer
 
I would've thought there's not enough space in embedded programming scenarios for something like C++
or even C
 
@TylerH you're talking ancient history. Yes, for instance (see superb Oric computer picture above), on a 48k system, you can use a cross compiler, but it generates too much code and that doesn't fit in.
Then you rewrite it in assembly, and it still takes too much room.
Then you use the built-in basic where 1 byte = 1 token and it fits (but it crawls)
 
9:24 PM
If you're not talking butterfly programming, you're too high level for me
 
C++ generates more code than C, true. C++ is sometimes forbidden and you have to use C for instance in some avionics equipments, where you have to provide a source to asm traceability.
It's easier (and also often already done by the guys who wrote the OS) in C than in C++. But it still can be done.
Problem in embedded is that on some systems once the "real time" phase is started, you cannot use malloc anymore. So everything needs to be pre-allocated. That limits C++ usage.
 
At least in my experience, C is fairly common in embedded programming. What language to use often largely depends on the capabilities are of the hardware you are running on. There are embedded environments that are quite spacious and there are ones which require you to squeeze every last capability out of what you have. As with most things in engineering, it's a trade-off.
 
And using C++ without the standard library is also frustrating, because you have to re-develop everything (strings, vectors...)
It also depends if you're going to switch a led on and off/ open-close a tray , or compute a trajectory 😀
 
Yep.
 
with C it's almost impossible to avoid out-of-bound write errors. Unless you define your own vector "class" and force everyone to use it.
And most of the time, you "inherit" some code so that's not possible to adapt it
 
9:30 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre oh so each keyword in BASIC was mapped to 1 byte?
 
@TylerH butterfly programming: that's xkcd right?
 
@StephenKennedy on old M$ basic yes. ASCII are up to 128. After that (129-255) those codes are used to "compress" basic tokens. Smart.
Like an old bytecode machine (also slow)
 
I was thinking of the Sinclair Spectrum. Have written BASIC programs for it but never really understood how it worked.
(Bear in mind my A levels were in geography, history and economics :))
 
@StephenKennedy this is the same principle and the same generation as the Oric. Note that the spectrum could enter basic tokens with just 1 key. Spectrum used Z80 and had a similar basic, but a lot more games.
The code wasn't compiled, but parsed & interpreted while running. Slow... on a slow CPU. but small.
commercial games didn't use BASIC, or just to bootstrap the ASM code.
(some adventure games did use BASIC)
those were good times :)
Imagine stack overflow with ZX Spectrum basic questions...
 
9:50 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre be amazed at retrocomputing.stackexchange.com
 
@rene I know ! so many enthusiasts there. I tried to look for questions to answer to, and I know a lot of stuff about retro computers, but those guys, well, they know better...
 
yep. Have been reading Z80 and MSX stuff. Fun.
 
10:10 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre very informative, tyvm
 
@StephenKennedy I know a lot of other useless stuff if you want :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I don't suppose you know how to fix a head gasket on a Rover K-series? :)
 
10:55 PM
@StephenKennedy I don't do UK motors :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre OK, I'll have you look after just my Peugeot then :)
 
I had a Peugeot. I think I can change the windshield wipers for you or a tyre.
 
In all seriousness I've got a Lotus Elise with a dead Rover engine sat in the drive, and it'll be summer soon :( Must get it booked in somewhere
My Peugeot is 30 years old and I'm never selling it. In fact I might insist on being buried in it :)
 
@StephenKennedy Head gaskets, depending on make/model, can be reasonably easy up to extremely difficult. It's the sort of thing you might do once and then realize either "Hey, I like being a mechanic", or "I really should pay somebody else to do this." :-)
 
@Makyen Lol, definitely the latter in my case. For me it's a major achievement to top up the fluids :)
well really who knows, it could be the former but I wouldn't risk trying
 

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