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@SotiriosDelimanolis It looks like a duplicate of the gabillion "how does Java compareTo work?" questions. Was it closed as a duplicate of one of the canonical questions and then re-opened?
01:16
@HovercraftFullOfEels yeah check out the edit history, I had 4 of them on there
01:36
@SotiriosDelimanolis +How on earth did it ever get re-opened?
 
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@CodyGray You're all over right now and I love it.
 
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06:36
Bhargav Rao handling my flag in just 10 seconds!
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06:48
Could someone please explain why this question could be deleted by the asker, despite having a really detailed answer with +2 upvotes? Have the rules for question deletion been adjusted recently?
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I'm wondering, because this meta-post says that "You can't delete your own question if it has an answer with upvotes (even if that answer has a net zero or negative score)".
I'd appreciate a link to a more recent meta-question on this topic.
@AndreyTyukin The answer with upvotes was deleted by that answer's owner on 2019-02-07, which left the question with one non-upvoted answer. That made the question eligible to be deleted by the question OP.
@Makyen Oh, indeed. Ok, then I'll assume that the rules in the linked meta-post still hold. Thank you!
07:06
@AndreyTyukin np. I believe the meta you linked to be the current/comprehensive information. It took me a moment to notice that the answer was deleted by it's author. It did look like something strange went on. It's still not clear to me why the answer OP deleted their answer after putting that much work into it. The comments don't indicate there's anything significantly wrong...
07:33
@Makyen Maybe there was something utterly annoying in the (later deleted) comments. The reason why I looked at this question was this discussion about closed duplicate with the same asker. This asker is now trying to convince me that their third question from the same "programming-by-accident" series is somehow my fault...
@Makyen I don't know, maybe I'm indeed somehow too strict here? If this is the case, I'll reopen that... I just fail to see how a third almost identically looking question is not a duplicate.
07:46
@AndreyTyukin I haven't checked the duplicates (I don't know scala), but I'd VtC the question you linked as unclear/too broad/no MCVE (I'm unsure if they are asking a debugging question or a "do my homework for me" question). As to the situation: Just disengage. The question is closed. Perhaps the question should be close for one of the other reasons, but as a dup it gives them a bit more they might read and learn from.
08:01
Wheeey! That's 2500 helpful flags!
@Makyen Ok, I'll leave it closed for now. If I see another randomly mutated iteration of this "programming-by-accident"-question-series, I'll probably rather propose to close as "too broad"/"unclear"/"no mcve". Thanks again.
^spam seed possible
@SurajRao Definite, look at user profile. Not going red flag yet but keeping a close eye
08:25
@AndreyTyukin I didn't mean to imply the dup-close was wrong, just that I hadn't put out the effort to determine how near/valid the dups were (superficially, they look correct, but I just haven't looked in detail). A dup-close is usually better, if dups exist, as the dups help the user and future users more than unclear/too broad/no MCVE.
People should learn from unclear/too broad/no MCVE, but most really just don't learn without more explicit prompting. In particular it'd be nice if they learned from "too broad", as breaking a problem into it's component parts is fundamental to programming/problem solving.
@MichaelDodd that's better to delete also... kind of spammy...
@PetterFriberg Not enough to spam flag for me. Happy to put it to a del-pls when closed though
@PetterFriberg Plus that's a UK gym chain IIRC, and account history doesn't seem particularly the spammy kind
08:41
@MichaelDodd a puppy sniped it..
Though when I was in Germany I was amused to see a gym chain in Frankfurt called 7-11 Fitness. I normally associate 7Eleven with the exact opposite of fitness :P
@FireAlarm I went with unclear, but probably the dupe I have indicated is better
09:48
Morning o/
10:07
@PetterFriberg This answers the question: Only INSERT statements that use VALUES syntax can insert multiple rows.(referring to VALUES and SET)
@NickA Yeah also this dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/insert.html, but still I'm not there to answer mostly just to moderate the content :D, Currently it does not seem like a dupe. (we can't really close it as dupe towards a comment :P)
Awwww :P
I mean an answer "NO" because ... is an answer ;)
@PetterFriberg "No because you can't"
@PetterFriberg I wrote an answer, referenced that post I linked in it
Nice good work
10:24
@PetterFriberg Ah, yeah good point with the edit
you need to be careful ;)
I thought I was pretty explicit where it came from :P
sure, in fact I did not flag instead I did an edit :D
lol
thanks for not flagging... i guess?
just joking.. but yeah quoting is more clear that it's from the manual.
10:27
@PetterFriberg ik, I just hate the quote MD syntax, especially when doing multiple lines
that's true... best is to do code first and then add the quote block
10:57
@kayess looks like 4 questions in one
@Adriaan Yep, although each of those 4 would be valid. Added a pro-forma comment.
@kayess so have the OP ask all four separate I guess. I don't grasp enough of the topic to know whether it flies or how connected the questions are
11:17
@FireAlarm looks like hardware?
@Adriaan Shaders are software, though. The question is unclear anyway.
I mean, when speaking of GLSL, we think of shaders as programs.
@E_net4 If the question being asked is what I think it is then the answer is each core runs 1 copy of the shader program isn't it?
@NickA Perhaps. That would be as far as we could go, but I cannot be sure with this one.
IDK, I try to avoid the GLSL side of things, I prefer working OpenGL side
Graphics is confusing :P
Has anyone noticed that the comment resizer in both chat and comments missing from Microsoft Edge? :)
Exists in Chrome.
11:31
comment resizer as in .. ?
(Linux FF)
@double-beep Who uses edge?
^ xD
Me, but only for Stack Overflow. For my work, I use Chrome.
Lucky for some, I use chrome but have to support people using IE11 :(
11:52
@SmokeDetector n - edited from R/A within grace period
Meh, username is yes, the entire post was filled with yes. It's a garbage user. Still leaving my rude/abusive. I'll eat a decline if need be
@FrankerZ Did it get declined in the end?
@MichaelDodd Community killed it, so any rude/abusive flags would have been marked as helpful. My NAA flag took precedent, so in the end I'm not 100% sure
Woot, I got a great answer badge.
hello all
what we can do if two different user ask same question this and this both are same question
I'm not able to use duplicate hammer in that question
12:33
Either close as duplicate submitting a here or flag for mod. They can merge questions.
@NileshRathod Close the new one as a dupe of the old one. You can ask us here to help with that. Just post a cv-pls with the form [tag:cv-pls] <reason> <link>
Oh, wait. It is not the same user but different ones.
@NathanOliver that's the reason i asked here i'm not able to use duplicate hammer
In this case I would mod flag. Either the user has multiple accounts or someone is plagiarizing.
Same surname?
13:05
o/
@Makyen @ekad @PearlySpencer @Machavity what do you guys think?
@IslamElshobokshy No MCVE/Unclear? Nobody seems to understand what the problem is
@NickA pretty clear to me what he's looking to do if you're familiar with datatables
Just that he need to test stuff
@IslamElshobokshy The former then, we can't reproduce the issue because there isn't an MCVE
Yeah no MCVE is the way to go
13:15
Doesn't mean it should be re-opened to reclose with the correct reason though
I would personally say yes, but I don't know how it works in that case, we might need confirmation
I voted to reopen anyway cuz it's not a syntax error and I feel bad having voted for that
Nice find, okay
@IslamElshobokshy I've asked the same thing before :P
13:19
@PaulAnnetts please also give a reason why it should be closed. I mean, the closure reason for that question is pretty obvious but still
Too broad
@IslamElshobokshy better leave a comment on why the close reason doesn't fit and what the OP should do instead
Thanks - first time navigating chat and this room in particular
yep @Adriaan that's what @NickA did ^^
@IslamElshobokshy I tend to agree with Nick. It's still not clear what the problem is. He's got lots of code, but no actual error he can point us to
13:20
@PaulAnnetts In that case welcome, make sure to read the FAQ :)
@PaulAnnetts No worries, if it's your first time here please take a couple of moments to read the FAQ at socvr.org :)
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Hey all, in the future - rather than flagging messages for a moderator due to an obsolete/mistaken close vote request here, please ask a room owner to clean it up instead. Moderators typically only delete messages if they're abusive or contain PII
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Thanks! :)
sorry @Rob
@Rob PII = Personal Identifiable Information or something?
@PaulAnnetts The SOCVR Department of Redundancy would like to welcome you. Welcome.
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13:22
@NickA Yep
I thought that flagging it would make the room owners see the flag, and not the big bosses xD
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@IslamElshobokshy No worries, it's not big issue, just a heads up
@IslamElshobokshy Nope. Chat flags go to all 10k users on SO chat
I'll keep that in mind :)
13:23
And a sustained flag means that the message is deleted and the poster is banned for 30 mins
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Only spam/abusive flags go out to 10k users, there's also the 'flag for moderator' which gives us a shiny orange circle instead :)
@Rob Ah, i forgot about chat mod flags. I don't think I've ever used them
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Yeah, they're typically pretty rare to see
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Yeah, there's a lot left to be desired
I'm all for giving room owners better moderation abilities in chat
(and mods, while we're at it)
13:35
@RiggsFolly Wow. I really can't think of a use case for that many columns
@RiggsFolly That said, it's still answerable. "No" is an answer
@MichaelDodd But NO does not seem to be a useful answer in this case :)
@RiggsFolly How's @NathanOliver not a useful answer?
Yeah, If the question is who likes scotch then it is the correct answer
I may have started something here I cannot finish :) Me === Totally lost.
Although if the question is "Who likes Scotch" the answer is "Pour me a large one, I will give you my answer when I have tried one"
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"Some of your recent flags have been declined, be careful" - yeah, 1 modflag in the past 300+. Thanks for the warning SO
13:49
@MichaelDodd Was too far gone to dupe it. This answer covers it
@Machavity Can gold badges still chime in with a target?
@MichaelDodd It left a comment but 4 TBs drown out a hammer
I did also notice it was a dup but after I'd already flagged it
oh well
@MichaelDodd That's not too bad, I'm still being pointed at "What is flagging?"
14:03
@SurajRao did you retract your flag?
Was curious to learn when a question is closed and when put on hold.
closed and on hold are the same thing, it is just an amount of time that changes what it is considered. I believe it is 7 days that it will be on hold for then it switches to closed.
@NathanOliver isn't it as well that when a Q is on hold the first edit will put it in the queue, but when it's closed it no longer will?
Dupe target deleted.. Yeah better remove it
OP however seems to have similar posts daily.. Seems SODD.. Not exact dupes
Probably.
14:33
@SmokeDetector k - user has posted same link elsewhere in another answer
those bottom 3 answers that are link-only ...
@treyBake yikes, three NAA flags first thing in the morning
haha it's been a cruel morning for me, though, the afternoon hopefully holds more for me
Can an RO remove the request
cc @NathanOliver ^
14:46
@treyBake That's an understatement
My browser offers to translate that
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@MichaelDodd haha yeah .. tis mental
@NathanOliver can you move this request out? OP edited it including code.
14:51
Thanks.
15:15
Who has noticed what happens with tags when editing closed questions in Meta?
@double-beep can you be more specific?
@TylerH let's select a random closed question, e.g. this. If you press 'edit', you will see that the will look like tags on Stack Overflow. This, doesn't happen, strangely when you are editing this post from its edit link: meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/351315/edit. You will see the tag as expected. Can you reproduce?
Have raised a post here also.
The tag looks the same to me in both links
@TylerH lol, repro in Chrome 71, but no in Edge :).
15:38
@double-beep They look the same to me in Chrome71
Whoops! Meant the opposite :).
Also couldn't repro in edge
Windows version?
16:32
@Steve also a reject-worthy edit on that Q, too
@TylerH I rejected the edit. Bad edit.
16:44
Is "I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the answer lies directly in the relevant documentation" + link to off site resource really the correct thing to do?
@CalvT No, otherwise 99% of questions are off-topic because the answer is covered in the documentation
@CalvT Doesn't sound like it, no. If we don't allow questions on things which are documented, and we don't allow opinion polls or recommendations, well there would be nothing much left
Many answers to on-topic questions simply quote the relevant section of a language's documentation and provide a link
Thanks @TylerH @StephenKennedy
Was a comment I came across on a question and it seemed a bit off
16:50
@CalvT can you share a link to it?
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the answer lies directly in the relevant documentationdesertnaut 10 mins ago
Oh I don't speak Python unfortunately so I'm out. Thanks for the link :)
@IslamElshobokshy (cc: @NickA @Machavity) This is definitely a typo. I've moved all the code into snippets so it's trivial to confirm that the second snippet contains a syntax error. If the user wants it reopened, then they should fix the typo and explain what the new problem is. Currently, the question asks about why "all tables on the page break, loading nothing", which is trivially answered by the fact that their code contains a syntax error, causing all the code in that <script>not to run.
When the typo is fixed, the code might not do what the user wants, but that's a different question, where the user needs to provide an actual MCVE, including clear descriptions of what it is they do want and what's wrong.
So it should still stay closed regardless (I've also retracted my comment and UV'd your more covering one)
@CalvT Indeed, definitely off topic/RTFM
17:00
@CalvT Unfortunately documentation sites get restructured, so a raw link without any text may not be useful in future, and many questions stay around for years and years and help the community.
@MatthieuBrucher I must have missed that close reason. However, an RTFM is likely to be a duplicate...
@StephenKennedy Yeah, but on low traffic tags, may not have a duplicate
@StephenKennedy No, because all the potential duplicates would have been closed with RTFM. It's not even complicated to get the answer, as to get the dataset, OP would need to read the page where the explanation is.
@PaulAnnetts not sklearn, they made it so that you can link to the stable version in a relevant manner, or link to a specific version.
@MatthieuBrucher As I said RTFM is not a valid close reason
and if it was to be so, we may as well shut down the site
17:05
@NickA It's not a LMGTFY
Ik, the question I linked is about RTFM
@treyBake Read the Manual
let's not go there
@NickA haha that's my new favourite acronym xD
^^ ok will hold off jokes haha
@treyBake I would suggest you don't throw it around too much
@NickA yeah .. it's already an issue I've been warned about by the mods haha will try to refrain :)
17:10
Seems like the bar was lowered down then.
pff
@MatthieuBrucher I'm not arguing that it wasn't, it's just the case :/
And not everyone agrees, and in this case, the sklearn website is very well designed to allow for links that are valid forever (almost). It's a design decision taht was done from the start.
@MatthieuBrucher Nah, but we won't ever get everyone to agree on everything, we just have to try follow the general consensus
17:32
Why some people deliberately ask off-topic questions is beyond me. :(
@double-beep I'm not sure what you were doing with this edit (revision 2). Your edit reason is "Reject edit to closed question", but you went ahead and edited it (reject and edit?). Your edit was still an edit to the closed question, without having voted to close or flagging the question, which put it in the reopen queue. It's not a big deal, it's just your edit reason implies there's a misunderstanding somewhere.
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@Makyen oh, I didn't realise that. I have saved this description and accidently put it. Sorry. However, I can see 1 delete vote.
@E_net4 "I know this isn't what you asked for"... (pinged FA in error)
And I am at 2.2k
17:48
@Adriaan Uh...
@E_net4 if even SE employees skirt the (answering in this case) rules, why shouldn't mortals
@Adriaan Meh, to be fair, Meta is different.
@double-beep No problem. Things happen. Just for clarification: Any edit to the question body (i.e. not tag-only edits) within 5 days after closure that's from the OP or anyone who has not flagged or voted to close the question will put the question in the reopen queue. References: Which edits push closed questions to the reopen review queue?, and Lots of questions in the reopen queue.
@IslamElshobokshy I'm going to move this request out, because the issue in the question, as it's currently written, is clearly a syntax error/typo. If the OP edits the question to fix the syntax error, provide an actual MCVE, and describe what the new problem is, then feel free to re-request this.
PSA: I hereby coin "too unclear" to be equivalent to "unclear / too broad"
that is too unclear
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@JohnDvorak Can you give us a minimal, complete, and verifiable example of this?
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@JohnDvorak For help clarifying it, read How to Ask.
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@double-beep no recent activity on that?
What about it?
A question using a tag undergoing burnination is not an exception to the rule; we don't want to act as the burnination team here; VTC such questions and they should be closed organically as people go through the close queues who are participating in the burnination
if there are lots of questions in the queue in general w/ that tag then it's OK to post a reminder/request here for folks to go visit that queue and filter by that tag, but as far as specific Qs... that's best handled in the burnination chat room
19:31
@FrankerZ You might want to delete this comment. There's already a comment that says the same thing, and there's no need to pile-on. You probably added the comment prior to any indication was visible in your browser that the other comment had been posted.
@Makyen When I posted it, the post was freshly vandalized (I was the one who reverted it). When I revert something, I will always post a comment. I don't understand how iBug 2 minutes earlier commented, and no reversion was made.
@FrankerZ Yep, no problem. Comments about vandalism are common ones to end up with duplicates. I've usually ended up having to delete a couple/few of mine every week due to race conditions (i.e. someone else's comment not being visible when I post mine). As to how @iBug posted that so fast, @iBug created a bot that posts that comment. As far as I know, the bot doesn't revert the post.
Also, IME, it can be somewhat faster to post the comment than to revert. With the stock UI, the comment is 1 page load whereas for the revert you have to also load the revisions page. So, there can be a number of reasons why someone might be able to post the comment vs. revert (e.g. internet dropped out). Obviously, for @iBug it's not an issue of not having enough rep to revert.
Can't you just mark the comment as no longer needed?
We don't mods to think the comment duplication was an effort to annoy the asker
@FrankerZ Yes, but it seemed easier to mention it to you (i.e. doing so doesn't require asking a moderator to do work). I'm sorry if you considered it inappropriate, I didn't consider it anything other than a very minor issue. If it felt like I was taking you to task, I'm sorry about that. Doing so certainly wasn't my intent.
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Just wish there was a private messaging component of so. Hate cluttering chat. Regardless, I'm not upset, nor considered it inappropriate.
@FrankerZ Yeah, some type of PM would have been reasonable for that.
@double-beep SOCVR does accept cv-pls requests for questions involved in a Meta approved burnination. However, it's far more effective to post a message asking people to filter on the tag in the close-vote queue (preferably include a link like this to the filtered order queue). Such requests to filter on the tag usually get significantly more close-votes into the tag than a few cv-pls requests.
In general, try to limit any cv-pls requests for burninations to the ones which need rapid attention. For example, questions where the close-votes have started to age-away, or are near to aging away (for questions with >100 views this starts to happen 3.5 to 4.5 days after the most recent CV); questions which have been kicked out of the CV-queue due to an edit, etc.
As already mentioned, the chat room for the burn should, usually, be the first place to try, but posting in SOCVR is also acceptable (the Request Generator allows you to change the room into which you post requests). If posting in SOCVR, please include in your request reason that it's part of a burn, as people will notice that the question doesn't otherwise qualify for a cv-pls.
At the moment, there are 20 questions with close-votes (more may be in the CV-queue as a result of close-flags). Of those 20 questions, 9 have > 100 views (i.e. the CVs expire after 4 days, not 14).
'lo /o
20:05
naa
@NathanOliver I miss Katamari Damacy. That was such a unique and fun game
never played it
Basically you start with a sticky ball and you can only roll up things the size of the ball and smaller, but the ball gets bigger and bigger as you roll
Ooh, they re-released it for the Switch
Is this discussion apropos of something? :)
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@StephenKennedy I freely admit KD is a strange game, with a bizarre backstory. The second one even broke the fourth wall. But it's strictly an E (PEGI-3) game
@Machavity I know more about morse code than I do computer games tbh
I miss record shopping. Day trips to London to hunt for rarities in Soho and Camden. Also came back with a big haul when I visited NYC. No point now you can get whatever you want online.
@Machavity Are you into racing games at all?
lol. aight.
 
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What is the tag I need to use for duplicate questions?
I don't wanna read the FAQ, also because I rarely come to this chat room
I've already flagged it as a duplicate
@nbro If you're asking us to look at a question wrt. voting to close then it's [tag:cv-pls] reason URL That includes duplicates.
@nbro Thanks.

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