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If a user is spamming multiple link-only answers to their GitHub projects with no disclaimer that they're the author, should I mod flag it? I've done that in the past and gotten my flag declined saying I should only mod flag things that require mod intervention. Links to a few posts: 1 2 3 4
@MihaiChelaru I would just let the queue do its work. GitHub links that attempt to answer the Q aren't really spam
@Machavity Okay, will do. Ty
00:36
@MihaiChelaru it is not spam but if the answer is totally based on the link it is not an answer, that is, if the link is deleted the answer does not make sense you must use the flag not an answer
@eyllanesc I came across those answers in the Low Quality Posts review queue, so they'd presumably already been flagged or ended up there thanks to some bot I'm not aware of. Either way I voted to delete them and left the generic link-only answer comment from the queue.
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@πάνταῥεῖ - Have you encountered this on an AIX system with IBM's XLC compiler: “std::_debug_memset” is not declared Do you know how to fix it?
01:01
@MihaiChelaru Those are all spam, under the definitions which SO uses for spam. A) They have undisclosed affiliation. B) They exist primarily to promote the content linked and are, in most cases, only tangentially related to the question that were actually asked. C) Even if disclosed, and related to each question, my opinion is that it would be considered over-promotion. Any of the above three things is, by itself, sufficient for something on SO to be considered spam.
 
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05:08
This question has 5 duplicate votes (in comments) but it is still not marked as duplicate https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53387951/what-is-presentational-component-or-container-component-in-redux
am I missing something? Why duplicate comment upvotes are not acting as close votes?
@AbdulRauf Because someone upvoted but didn't CV (could be they are <3k). While upvote on the comment is automatic when CVing as dup, the other way is not
Seems like it's getting harder to find egregiously bad questions to feed the queue with.
Anyone know how much longer that burnination will last?
@EJoshuaS It depends on when people get tired of it. So far, it's seemed to remain at a reasonably constant pace.
I'm still filtering on it in the queue - starting to get burned out with filling the queue for that tag TBH, seems like a lot of the obvious targets are gone now.
@EJoshuaS While a considerable number of the low hanging fruit have been dealt with, it still appeared that there were a significant number left.
@Makyen Any good search terms you can think of? I'm having trouble finding them with my usual queries.
06:08
@EJoshuaS We really should compile a list of good search terms for potentially off-topic questions.
@Makyen I agree. There are lots of phrases (e.g. "looking for a tool") that tend to locate lots of off-topic questions.
06:37
@EJoshuaS I'm happy to share (and have been writing code with the goal of making that easier), but my sharing search terms really doesn't help without me getting to the point of releasing a new version of MagicTag2, because for those searches where I use a text match, rather than searching on just question properties/state, I use regexes, which is a feature only available in the modified version. I hope that a release happens in the next day, or so.
@Shree The actual question is if he got hacked - which is not programming related at all. So I wouldn't do No MCVE, just blatantly off topic for it not being programming related
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs thanks.
There you go :)
sigh
See the meta question I linked above. Reverting individual code changes made by a hacker is completely futile; you need to close the exploit that allows them to get back in and do what they want. In the ideal case, you have version control and can simply wipe and reinstall, once you figure out what needs to be changed to prevent them from pwning you again. — tripleee 32 secs ago
Hmm @tripleee you think too broad then?
07:25
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs not sure what would be the best close reason in this specific case; closing the question with pointers to actually useful resources for resolving a hacking incident is what the meta question proposes
there's a pointer to a canonical which it could be closed as a duplicate of, though it's pretty far off in this particular case
08:13
I was banned due to low quality content of my questions especially this one https://stackoverflow.com/questions/52941525/how-to-do-2-looping-at-the-same-time
What can I do more to fix it (I've edited the question)
@boomimhere you seem to be asking about c# code. I don't see it in your question. Don't make potential users that can answer have to guess what your code looks like or what you're currently trying.
@boomimhere If you're banned from asking questions or answering, I suggest you read the question and answer: 'What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?'
@boomimhere If you're asking specifically about what can be done to improve that question, then what rene said is largely the issue. As written, it's hard to understand what you're actually asking how to do. Showing your code would help significantly in communicating to people what you're asking about. Once that's done, people might have other, additional questions/clarification requests.
08:43
What kind of close reason should be used when encountering license-related questions (e.g. clarification about software license/EULA)? Can anyone provide MSO post as proof?
@TetsuyaYamamoto I use, and generally see, a custom reason in these cases. I haven't looked for a MSO post, by why would you think that they might be on-topic? Licensing issues are a legal questions, not programming.
@TetsuyaYamamoto Looks like I had a MSO link in the custom close reason I usually use: I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because [licensing advice is off-topic on Stack Overflow](//meta.stackoverflow.com/a/274964). Open source licensing questions can be asked on [OpenSource.SE]. Legal questions may be asked on [Law.SE]. However, be sure to read each site's on-topic page prior to posting.
top google hit for me on licensing meta.stackoverflow.com: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/274963/…
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@Makyen - Be careful of downvoting and leaving comments like that. I got a three days suspension for it. When I asked, I was told too many of my comments were flagged. My comments were boilerplate like yours. They stated (1) the purpose of the site, (2) the question was probably off-topic, and (3) where the question might be on-topic.
@jww OK. I appreciate the information. I suspect that the issue might be in the details, so without being able to see the exact comments which people had a problem with, I can't really compare/contrast. I also suspect that the fervor of everyone jumping on the "welcoming" bandwagon has dropped a bit, so comments are somewhat less likely to be flagged and moderators more dialed-in on how they want to handle various cases.
@jww I don't think boilerplate comments as such will be grounds for suspension; I would speculate that you perhaps applied them where they were not strictly appropriate
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09:04
@triplee - Neither did I. I'm just going by what the anonymous moderators stated. The anonymous moderator stated too many flags on comments; not inappropriate comments.
oh okay
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@Makyen - Here's the list I used to copy/paste from: pastebin.com/uHAj2ZqR . I would not engage in the protracted debates in the comments. I just left the comment and disengaged.
@boomimhere This question has been deleted. That doesn't mean you can't still improve it. You should still be able to edit the question. It's suggested that you do so. You can then flag the question for moderator attention, using a custom moderator flag, explaining that you'd like it undeleted and why (they would only do so if it's been significantly improved). You could also ask in here for people to review the changes you've made.
though your recent edit, while significant, was certainly not an improvement -- we can't tell what's wrong with your code without seeing it
in fact, the question now seems completely impossible to understand
09:25
@boomimhere I was one who cast VTC because you're stated "doing 2 loop at the same time" but no example code is present. According to this reference, you should include code which describes the problem you have, along with relevant information (e.g. multi-threaded environment).
@jww Thanks for those. Unfortunately, without the detailed information that would only be available to moderators, I really can't make a call, as I expect it's largely down to the specifics of the questions, where used, and what comments from others might have already existed on each question. I share your frustration with the situation, both yours specifically and the general situation.
I will keep your advice and the problems you experienced in mind moving forward, but there's a part of me that's quite resistant to changing, at least the overall information imparted to the OP. However, I have found that I do, now, tend to fall back more to the stock reasons, even though the custom ones are significantly more accurate and, IMO, provide the OP with beneficial information.
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@Makyen - Yeah, the way Stack Overflow operates in secrecy and anonymity is frustrating. I would make all of this the information public. Let the moderators justify their decisions with actual evidence.
@SurajRao closed in a flash
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@Makyen - I suspect what happened is, a few users were running a script from puppet accounts flagging my comments. I know at least one puppet account was shutdown in the past. They got caught because they were in contention with moderators reversing their votes. The moderator would reverse the votes and tow minutes later the downvotes would reappear. (If you think you are anonymous, you would be mistaken. Users can subscribe to other user's accounts and get notified of their actions).
@jww As I understand it, moderators have a duty to maintain the privacy of all users. If the user they are interacting with wants to bring an issue to Meta to hash it out in public, I believe it's permitted for the user to disclose things. I know that I've seen such questions on Meta and that Moderators have provided additional information publicly, if requested by the affected user.
09:49
^ Not sure if this requires moderator attention or not... User has since moved his "scrapping" script from the question to an answer.
Hi guys, do you have a reference post about how to deal with questions 100% useful only for user, 0% future google potential?
Maybe a Meta post
@Bebs I'd say that majority of the questions are like that only.
@Makyen - you do realize that users' privacy is governed by the CC BY-SA 3.0 license? SE will distribute this content on it's own site and all social media.
Quick question, has anyone elses /questions just started only showing 1 question?
09:55
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs That is, in part, true and, in part, not true, as we're also talking about flags and/or other private communication with moderators, which are all considered private information.
@NickA You mean users are no longer asking overly broad questions and are now very specific?
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I mean the pagination is showing 1 question per page... there's 16,801,572 pages under "active"
@NickA Do you have ignored tags?
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Nope, I hit refresh and it just started happening
@NickA Do you have a specific url? (With all the arguments such as ?sort=newest and/or ?pageSize=50)
10:05
Manually specifying page size works
Works just fine for me. Have any userscripts enabled? Anything in the console?
and indeed has fixed it
Perhaps I clicked a link which set a page size of 1 and it remembered
10:50
@Shree sniped :)
Opps :) Remove mine. Don't se before.
11:49
or GMTC?
12:02
@MikeM. Hammered already :)
Gah!! Why didn't you did that first, Nilesh? I wasted a vote. :-(
12:27
^see OP's comment
@SurajRao that has one weird answer
FGITW they didnt seem to actually want to know what OP is actually looking for
@Adriaan I've flagged it NAA since it doesn't answer the question
it answers a question ...
an attempt to answer the wrong question
12:38
there is no flag for that ... I see myself out ...
note to self: SOCVR doesn't work like a bash terminal
use sudo
13:12
@MadhurBhaiya Weird huh? look at the 3 answers too
13:33
@Sami I'd say no. It's an attempt at an answer, but they're not sure it'll completely work.
@Sami I think that question becomes a tiny bit better if that attempt in the answer is moved to the question.
Also they have a strange order of actions: first ask, then try.
OP self deleted that answer
@SmokeDetector k - Problem is about a specific domain which is likely OP's, given the nature of the question
Interesting, getting mod-closed, I'm guessing disputed flag incoming...
13:49
yeah... I'm not sure on that one... was looking for similar urls on the site to see if it's turned up before and was checking here to see if it was blacklisted or something
@JonClements To me it "felt" spammy given they used the domain three times, and the rest of it was pretty non-coherent. Not the worst example out there but still passed my personal threshold.
@JonClements link's not even clickable, so I guess this isn't too big a problem (no idea how SEO works). I'd say to leave it to the roomba. Gives the OP time to revise (in case it's not spam) and otherwise it's gone anyway
yeah... I hear ya... I'm kinda but not quite there... maybe I'm just in a generous mood this afternoon... but can't see anything in PII that ticks the boxes of definitely a spammer...
@JonClements Fair enough, probably the best decision since it's not 100% clear cut
Ahh... I didn't get around to disputing them anyway - another mod did... so guess I'm not alone in that one :p
13:54
blames mod for disputed spam flag
and move on ...
@JonClements I'm available approx. 20:00 BST for Trine/Portal
@Adriaan ooo... could well do that :)
@JonClements brushes teeth, goes to hair dresser, puts on clean shirt
I expect a suit and tie as well :)
@JonClements I might just do that for you, don't tempt me :P
I just asked my first question over at TeX - LaTeX, now I know how a person new to MATLAB feels when I, or any other long-time user, starts badgering them with comments they barely understand.
14:08
8-) yeah, a humbling experience
@tripleee I was like: "Huh? Where's my log file? Not in my folder ... Ah! Behind an obscure button!"
two troll accounts IMO
@MichaelDodd was in the middle of clearing things up there...
14:45
oh... you know about "It looks like your post is mostly code; please add some more details."... well: i.sstatic.net/1C1yT.png
@Cœur :/
@Cœur hah, as far back as 2014, and some even got upvotes on the question
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@SotiriosDelimanolis nope sorry, there is nothing I can do anymore, even if I wanted to, look at my rep.
15:07
o/
@JarrodRoberson :( hadn't seen that
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Of those, 4 are answers
@Zoe Yep, looks like some people knowingly answering "gimme teh codez" questions.
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One of those was NAA. Kinda expected more ^^"
@EJoshuaS Nice search, perfect way to spend the rest of my votes for the afternoon :P
16:37
@MichaelDodd Yeah, one gem literally says "please give me the code urgently" - it's too old for a cv-pls, but still SO tempting to do so
@EJoshuaS Nothing to stop you seeding it into the CVQ without outside assistance from here :)
@MichaelDodd I did :)
I'm out of close votes for the day now - just as well, I probably won't have much time later today due to the U.S. Holiday today. I'm expecting family at noon and have to hit the gym before that.
@EJoshuaS Enjoy your Turkey and HandEgg
And thanks for giving us Black Friday, managed to get some Hue bulbs at nearly half price last weekend :)
@MichaelDodd Thanks :)
Fingers crossed they'll be back on sale again for Black Friday proper, they work pretty well in my living room
17:21
When someone asks why library X did not implement Y yet, what is the usual procedure?
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POB
@EJoshuaS Useful addition to that search: hasnotice:no to eliminate questions already on hold. You might also want hascode:no to pick on the really bad ones first.
18:20
Awww my leaf blower is exhausted. I have to go to the gas station :P
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@πάνταῥεῖ Have you considered using <insert subjectively better language here> instead?
I already tried with but it turned out even worse :3
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Maybe you should try instead? I heard it's really good. :p
Though it's not that popular(same for )
It's probably a problem related with "How to stab a help vampire student" :/ @zoe
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Oof xd
18:26
Seasonal concerns XD
@JonClements Why didn't you delete this immediately if already touching?
why do you think it should be deleted immediately?
@zoe I've still got close/down votes for today.
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@πάνταῥεῖ I'm out of close votes :c Usually only takes like 30 mins to an hour
@πάνταῥεῖ don't forget that closure is an opportunity for an OP to improve the post, if they don't, it gets roomba'd later anyway, and if they do want to try and improve it, they can't do so if everyone gangs on with immediate delete votes... what's the rush?
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^
18:32
@JonClements Isn't that obvious? The message sent to the OP would be quite the same as they received now. Improvement of that particular post is unlikely for my experience.
but not impossible - so why waste a delete vote on it when you've only got so many and there's plenty of absolute crap out there that definitely needs it?
don't sweat the small stuff... it's doing no harm, it doesn't warrant immediate deletion... and it'll either be improved or auto-deleted later- so don't worry 'bout it... Just 'cos you can delete vote doesn't mean you should.
@Jon I see your point. But I have a feeling that improvement is unlikely to happen with that post at all. And even if so, I have doubts it would ever go to be reopened.
that's the most likely outcome, but it's not the guaranteed outcome - just let it go
@Jon "Just 'cos you can delete vote doesn't mean you should." Well, I changed my behavior about casting Del-votes a bit recently. I am after disappearing such stuff as quickly as possible from my lawns (new tagged questions at the home page I am using).
The shoot first ask questions later approach? :)
@JonClements Not sure. But the season seems to demand staying strict.
Leafs falling allover :3
@πάνταῥεῖ I wouldn't classify it as strict but overly and needlessly zealous... it gets closed, it gets downvoted, roomba cleans it up later, in the mean time the OP has time to improve it (likely hood is that they won't, but if it's not doing harm - who cares)... you leave open the opportunity for them to improve the post...
occasionally you get a pleasant surprise :)
Although I know you didn't specifically ask for any here, but I thought there was some stuff about when was appropriate here @rene?
(fairly sure I've been in a meeting where we've discussed it... (or is my poor little puppy memory failing me!?)
@JonClements The janitor cares. He won't let leave that for the roomba, but rather fix that immediately. Regarding that I am a bourgeois, yes. :P
Well, let it go and see if we'll get surprised ;)
@JonClements it needs to deletable in the first place, and if it roomba's do a meh
@πάνταῥεῖ going with that analogy: I'd rather the janitor cleans up the vomit on the carpet rather than the slightly dripping tap in the kitchen basin that's only dripping because someone didn't quite turn it off hard enough and it's not going to cause a flood and there's some guy that comes around once and day and tightens all the taps to make sure they're closed already if the person who failed to turn the tap off hasn't done so already.
18:47
@JonClements I am just buying that for now :3
@SmokeDetector has a non-linked link. Still spam
@πάνταῥεῖ my roomba forecaster says it will roomba in 10 days. Spend delete votes on things that won't go away automatically
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@rene I may have to reconsider how to use my delete votes more efficiently. Though I'm left with a lot of these on a daily basis usually.
@πάνταῥεῖ sure, please do and maybe stop pressuring others in using their votes on stuff that you only dislike, even if they are mods ....
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!!/test 2QNYct3
18:53
> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.
@rene exactly... plus, I wouldn't want to run out of delete votes for the day :p
don't push it @JonClements don't push it ... ;)
@rene I'm not Salt'N'Pepa :p
:D
Wow... that was '86? beep me...
19:06
@JonClements that's like .. 120 dog years ago
@JonClements Yeah, that's really that old, and we ole grumpy guys remember well. Hottest stuff to get at that times :3
@JonC I just realised, BST = Brexitania Summer Time right? I meant 20:00 UTC (aka your time)
@Adriaan ugh... I'd somewhat forgotten and I might not have finished some jobs by then... sighs - also don't have steam on this PC so would have to install then download trine/portal again...
Silently moves back to the corner, puts the hat on and quietly starts crying
OTOH: That means I can get to bed early, and finish writing my thesis tomorrow :P
@Adriaan /me puppy starts crying too....
@Adriaan ahh yeah... that does sound like something you should do instead :)
19:16
@Adriaan @Jon Here's a tissue to capture your tears ;)
Ahh... hope it's a really strong tissue... you know the xenomorphs in Aliens? My tears are like their blood... :p
@JonClements Their blood is wasted all the time. And yes, here's a proposal about strong tissues
 
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20:57
@EJoshuaS @makyen I see no close vote review queue entry in the timeline for this one either (or am I missing it?). I voted to close this question Nov 14 at 14:01.
21:13
@StephenKennedy You're not missing the CV queue record, but it might be that the record just isn't displayed in the timeline yet (it's not displayed in the timeline until the question is closed or the question exits review). It's possible that the question entered the queue but hasn't yet left it. With three known expired close-votes (including mine cast on Nov 15 at 23:40Z), it could be that the CVs were spaced such that the CV progressively expired, but left the question in the CV queue.
We'll have to confirm once the question is closed or all CV expire. There are two questions I know of where the question has no record of being in the CV queue and the question is now closed (i.e. any entry into the CV queue should be displayed). I've looked at all the others in this burnination where someone has mentioned an expired CV, but only those two don't have a record of entering the CV queue. I need to write up a Meta reporting the issue/bug.
 
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