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@KenWhite why not stats.se?
00:45
@AaronHall It may be better for Stats. I'm not familiar with that site's guidelines, and I try not to refer people to sites I don't know well.
well I went with stats.se based on my own familiarity. Shog says not to be too precious about migrations, just don't migrate crap - and that seemed ok to me.
@AaronHall Works for me.
 
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02:09
Change the above to: requesting outside libraries
03:54
@TetsuyaYamamoto FYI: That's a duplicate request.
04:15
@Makyen Nevermind, just didn't notice someone already caught that.
@TetsuyaYamamoto Don't worry about it. I had just hoped to catch you prior to the 2 minute edit/delete window. I'll just move it to the graveyard the next time I run the Archiver. Looks like it would be part of the move anyway. No big deal.
04:36
I put a few items in the queue.
@Machavity Thanks, I actually missed the notice that it had become a Meta-sanctioned cleanup effort. It seems like things like that should be featured so that people are aware that they're happening.
 
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@SmokeDetector spammy, but the tool looks legit and free. No (clear) affiliation with the user either.
06:26
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Q: This tag needs to be made more [unobtrusive]

Andrew GrimmThe tag unobtrusive has 73 questions and no tag wiki. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? No. It's an adjective. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? Yes. Every program is trying to be as obtrusive as possible, ...

Tonight I dreamed that someone closed one of my questions as a duplicate single-handedly with ... 2 silver badges. I need a break.
(wait I could have reopened it)
Well, I guess that depends on the exchange rate of gold vs. silver. :-)
 
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Oh wow! The "my tags" view is back and it's "autorefreshing" as it was with "new-nav" back then...
RO please remove this cv-pls
08:04
np. Happy to do so anytime.
08:26
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with all the new code of conduct stuff, do we flag comments asking for answers to be upvoted and accepted as R/A or NLN?
08:45
@WhatsThePoint I go with NLN (no change from before)
@halfer just wasn't sure if it would fall into this bracket prntscr.com/kkp2nz
@WhatsThePoint Ha, no :-).
cheers, too much is changing too rapidly on here for anyone to keep up properly
@WhatsThePoint I have viewed it as impolite for a long time; and the NLN flag has a good regex to insta-delete pure "accept plz" comments. If I see a user doing it more often, I leave a comment.
I sometimes ask for a user to accept an answer, but then in general terms ("If an answer helped you, please accept, this gives both you and the answerer some rep and tells future readers you no longer need help and which solution helped you most") on the question itself, and no sooner than a week after I, or someone else, answered.
this was a comment from 2012, and another answer was accepted, so a follow up comment would just be more noise
08:55
:43650635 Once again, oddly geographicly-specific spam...
morning all btw
@MichaelDodd ah, I remember two years ago very well. Usually 10 or more spam messages a day for training/movers/brothels etc in specific cities. Spam Ram has improved a lot thankfully
Morning Michael
@Adriaan I mostly agree, but acceptance isn't actually mandatory. I insisted a bit much (where a Q author was being wilfully awkward) and got a sharp mod note ;-)
@halfer oh, I mention that as well, that it's not mandatory, along with why you'd want to do that, and never more than one single comment
user8682794
09:48
Should i have closed this question? stackoverflow.com/q/51904281
user8682794
I thought the OP provides sufficient detail to provide an answer
And an answer was provided indeed
10:24
^ No code, just "how do I do <X>?"
voted
> I'm sorry, we don't educate snakes here
@Cerbrus I didn't notice the link that made it spam
Then why else did you think Smoke Detector reported it?
@SardarUsama despite the underscore? :P
10:34
could be a link to the doc or anything
It was reported as possible spam, and the only link in the answer possibly links to documentation?
@Cerbrus plausible
@Cerbrus possible* spam. yes
My point is that, if a post is reported by SD, be very wary about urls. Just blindly editing only indentation is almost never the right thing to do.
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@Cerbrus I have seen false positives as well. So there is really no need of making this an issue
10:48
@SardarUsama all is nice and good until somebody comes and provides the wrong feedback to Smokey
11:01
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 15 mins ago, by John Dvorak
I propose new acronym LANU = Labeled As New User
@John Not necessary, they won't last for a longer time anyways.
The labels, you mean?
@SardarUsama You're not getting my point.
You said you assumed the link linked to documentation.
@Cerbrus I said i didn't assume it spam
I'm saying that you should be extremely wary of links in posts reported by SD.
11:13
I really dislike lazy edits that just put a linked image inline without fixing the million other things wrong with the post, especially when the edit is done by a 50k user :/
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@MichaelDodd I saw something like that today. A minor case/spelling edit in a sea of mobile-phone-posting, urgh
@MichaelDodd At least a 50k user's edits don't require reviews.
@Cerbrus There's that, but it's still the feeling of "they should know better by now"
Well, to be honest, if I see a post that has a broken image embed, I quickly fix the embed and submit that
Then I'll have a look later, if there's more that needs to be done.
BDL
BDL
I understand why <2k users shouldn't partially edit posts. But I don't see why that would be bad for users with edit privilege.
It's often pointless but it doesn't harm anyone else
11:26
Well, not even pointless
@BDL Possibly, but if the point of an edit is to improve the quality of a post for future readers, small edits like that are like putting a bit of duct tape on a dam that's about to burst
@JohnDvorak The new users.
BDL
BDL
@MichaelDodd Well, it improves the post. And it leaves less work for the next editor. Not doing the edit would also not improve anything.
Some communities are still too hostile and toxic for them it seems.
11:48
@πάνταῥεῖ please don't use those "hostile" and "toxic" words...
New SE policy: It's rude to call someone rude, anyone flagging rude/abusive will get auto-suspended
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@ErikvonAsmuth That's what we now now have the "unfriendly" flag for.
12:09
@toohonestforthissite We still have rude/abusive on Q&A though. Only comments have the new flags
12:23
@Cerbrus LOL! Well, I'll do ;-)
12:34
Morning
@Machavity I'm not sure if you can report offsite reports here
@NathanOliver You can. In fact, that's what I was told to do (Smokey just doesn't show those reports in here)
13:03
@Ron I see your link post on meta has turned around. That's good to see
Is this a good tag wiki edit? adds examples (but not much else)
@Adriaan meh. It could be better but I don't see it doing any harm. That said it looks like the code is copied from here
@NathanOliver Rejected as copied content
13:12
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@SardarUsama I'd go with a typo. It has a MCVE, but it's unclear what the code does and it's riddled with ypos
13:14
@Adriaan valid as well
13:32
Why is there even an "invalid" option for chat flags? Whenever you click that it says "You can only counterflag messages which have been flagged"
@Adriaan most likely the flag was handled before you clicked invalid. I get that from time to time myself but I have also successfully invalid flag chat flags before so I assume that is what happens.
Ron
Ron
@NathanOliver The drinks are on me ;)
@Ron can I get a nice single malt in for later? :p
Ron
Ron
Sure.
But since I've stopped drinking years ago, it will be a smoothie.
@JonClements you still not coming to @rene's for the drinks?
14:06
@Ron a single malt smoothie sounds interesting :)
@Adriaan oh... is that still on!?
Umm... no RO nominations as yet? ummmm
@JonClements we could always try to get the tuna and squirrel back and into the country
@JonClements I nominated you. I think you should be able to kick people from the room and stuff. Oh, wait...
I'd make a lousy RO - so much so - my name would refuse to italicise in protest :)
14:58
@JonClements we simply appoint users when no-one nominates ...
Hmm, flagged a rude username. Flag was marked helpful but username is still there
@Machavity I think they have to send that to a CM
@JonClements can mods rename a user?
I thought mods could destroy a username. I know they can change at will
@Machavity Ah I thought it was a CM function
Mods can rename users. They can delete them too but I'm not sure if there is any limitations on the deletion part.
Also, they might not change the username as users are given a lot a leeway in their names and profile pages.
15:06
A user can just change the name right back as far as I know. It might be worth reflagging with a custom mod flag. If they decline that, at least you get an explanation
@ErikvonAsmuth makes me wonder if the waiting period kicks in when a mod renames them or not
I can see an argument for either side
@TylerH yes
I wonder if they can. Username edits are locked out for 30 days, I wonder if it picks up the mod rename in that.
@NathanOliver Oh, I didn't know that. In that case reflagging probably is a bad plan
Yeah, I wouldn't reflag. If you are unhappy with the outcome I would just take it to meta.
15:08
@NathanOliver On the one hand, I can understand the argument against kicking in the waiting period, because they are always renamed to user10823942 (or similar) and sometimes a user might just pick a bad name innocently.
On the other... that's probably rare, and we would hope an earnest person wouldn't mind waiting 30 days before picking a new, more appropriate name. People who don't last 30 days aren't likely to be big contributors, anyway.
@Machavity um... just had a look at the username you flagged... that's one I'm not quite sure on either...
@TylerH It's only 30 days. I can't see it being that big of a deal
@NathanOliver mods can change any user name at any time... I'm not sure if the 30 days is since the user changed their own display name or since the very last name change
@Machavity a bit of googling... and apart from the excessive leading characters... it's a not uncommon Indian name...
@JonClements I'd be happy to test it if you want to.
uh oh... for science never ends well... :)
15:12
hehe
Just remember your safety goggles and lab coat!
Want me to see if I change your name if you can immediately change it back? (that'll only check the 15 min grace period works though?)
Um... I'll just add a space in your name then... it won't reflect in chat imediately - just on the site - so have your profile open there?
Already have it open
15:14
updated
Can confirm Jon only put a space in and did not bury his bone stash there
It let me edit the space out
okay... if I put the space in again...?
and you try again?
@TylerH heh... not that you noticed :p
Sure, go ahead
15:16
done
@JonClements One of those TIL things. Most unfortinate for him
changed back successfully.
okay... so a mod change counts as a grace period... so I'm assuming then... if I changed it - you didn't change it back for 15 mins - you're stuck with it...
What's the best way to query irregular upvoting? A modflag?
15:17
Just seen a user who's gained 102 rep in just over a minute
though at the same time, I think that would probably be picked up by the script
@MichaelDodd Do you know how they gained it?
You could easily gain 100 rep with a bounty
@Michael script only runs once a day in the wee hours of the morning... if it's all upvotes so quickly and the system knows it's all from one person - it'll get invalidated at 3am-ish
9 separate question and 2 separate answer upvotes
I'm ignoring the +2 accept bonus as that's legit
all in the space of ~1 minute
OK. I'd give it 48 hours and the reversal script should catch it if it is indeed serial up voting. If it doesn't get reversed then I would mod flag
@SmokeDetector I'd say NAA on that one
Ron
Ron
What's the minimum time one should spend with a company so that it doesn't look ugly on resume?
I was thinking a year at least.
user177800
@Ron depends on the opinion of the person reading the resume. I worked for 30+ years for 3 - 6 - 9 months tops and never went more than a couple days/weeks without a paycheck.
Ron
Ron
@feelingunwelcome That sounds comforting.
@feelingunwelcome Including corporate employment? The 9 to 5 kind?
user177800
@Ron there is no award for working some place that is not benefiting your career, actually I would really question hiring someone that worked some place they were miserable/unhealthly environment/just plain stupid 1 day longer than they had to.
Ron
Ron
I hear that.
user177800
16:13
@Ron I worked fortune 500, then 100 now 5. I have been at this position the longest in my career, 5.5 years. Because it is the right place to be for me ( and them ).
@SmokeDetector second of the same user. Someone got a polite "please don't spam" comment for him with the good self-promo link?
user177800
@Ron before that it was 32 months, before that it was 3/6/9 months. If you have a reasonable reason for your tenure it is not a problem, I worked for Nokia for 18 months before the stock went from $60 to $6 and the laid the majority of the software devs off that same morning. How can that be a neg on me?
@Adriaan All 4 of their answers link to their github
Ron
Ron
@feelingunwelcome I see.
@Adriaan I have: Just linking to your own library or tutorial is not a good answer. Linking to it, explaining why it solves the problem, providing code on how to do so and disclaiming that you wrote it makes for a better answer. See: What signifies “Good” self promotion?
16:17
@NathanOliver ta, someone else took care of it already
Ron
Ron
@feelingunwelcome Appreciate the info.
18:50
What's going on on this site? Since some weeks I notice even the most obvious OT question gets reopen votes like this: stackoverflow.com/questions/51936201/…
What's the protocol for requesting a del-vote on an answer? stackoverflow.com/a/51936688 the user should have VTC'ed as a dup. The answer as posted does not add anything new besides a link to the dup target.
@JimGarrison IIRC (I may be wrong) we don't allow del-pls on answers unless it's something that's flag-worthy (which does not include "wrong answer" answers)
indeed the answer itself is not even delete-voteable by 20k users yet as it is only at -1 score
@JimGarrison I don't think that's a valid delv-reason - unfortunately. Just get rid of the question, the answer should be deleted with it. You could flag, but I also don't think it's flag-worthy.
the correct action would be to flag for a moderator and explain the case IMO
Assuming the best intentions, it's probably just a lack of understanding of how the site works. I've commented to the user an am moving on. Thanks for the replies.
18:59
@TylerH any negative score answer is deleteable 20Kers
Hello, Any moderator here?
@NathanOliver Ah I thought it was at -2
@Royi We are not elected moderators but we do moderate the site. Can we help you with something?
@TylerH Nope. As long as it is negative it is okay. You need -3 or lower for Q's that are freshly closed.
@NathanOliver, I just need assistance with unfreezing a chat room.
We want to continue the same chat subject so it would be great to have all data at the same place (Continuation of comments to a question).
@Royi Ah, you'll need an elected moderator for that. You can use a chat flag for that and they will get to it eventually.
19:03
@Royi flag for a moderator under one of your questions or answers and provide a link to the chatroom
or a chat flag, yeah, if there's already discussion
@NathanOliver Called it. "(-90) User was removed"
@Royi I was going to point you to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/360733/… - but it seems you'd already commented there :).... anyway - for future ref as well @NathanOliver and co :)
19:19
@JonClements lol. You linked to an answer that says ping the moderator ;)
@Nathan errr... ?
@JonClements We have a don't ping mods rule in the room. I thought it was funny that you linked to a post that says: "ping a mod"
where does it say that though?
Pinging moderators for anything that could be handled with a flag is not acceptable, nor is changing the topic of conversation with a moderator to be about a flaggable issue. It is fine to continue a discussion topic introduced by a moderator, even if you beginning that discussion would otherwise not be permitted.
in the meta post?
19:29
From Taryn's answer: Keep in mind, you can always try to ping a SO mod in another chatroom if this were to happen again.
oh yeah... I (mis)read that as the asker was a mod on a site they have ways of contacting other mods by pinging 'em... not a general - go find a mod and ping 'em...
silly puppy
@NathanOliver Ping moderators only as directed. May cause irritability, rash, bans, liver spots or death. Consult with a community manager if symptoms persist after 6 to 8 weeks.
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@Machavity shouldn't there be something about including scooby snacks or something?
19:39
@JonClements shh We do that under the table
oh wait? I thought that was deleted posts for cash that'd lead to a scandal? :p
@Machavity Death, mostly.
@Madara aren't you the cheery one :)
Long day. Migraines in the morning, suspensions in the evening, fun times.
@MadaraUchiha When you're involved, yeah
19:41
well, he did try to kill everyone with the infinite tsukuyomi
@NathanOliver Oi, I tried to save everyone. And I would've gotten away with it... if it weren't for those meddling demigod kids...
(and all that's left is a little puppy rummaging around trying to find out where the scooby snacks are...)
@MadaraUchiha And half a fox demon
20:14
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Q: The tag [adf] is ambiguous and is asking to be Burninated

divibisanWhile looking through the Suggested Edits queue, I stumbled upon the tag [adf] whose tag wiki begins: DO NOT USE THIS TAG! Use [oracle-adf] instead Questions appear to be divided between describing 2 distinct technologies: Microsoft Azure Data Factory and Oracle Application Development Fram...

20:27
You know you're tired when you search the main SO site for .
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lol
That would make finding close worthy questions easier
20:41
You could try a Meta post to have someone create that tag ...
@E_net4 if only
@MadaraUchiha ahh, those lovely meteors thrown at folks' head
21:19
@rene That's definitely not how we create tags. :P
 
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