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12:44 AM
 
1:40 AM
cv'd
 
1:59 AM
Somewhere @NathanOliver is horrified
 
 
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3:04 AM
Well, happy July to me, now I have a gold badge
3
 
Rob
Congrats!
 
Awesome!!
 
3:24 AM
@TylerH You can now .duplicate { close: hammer} CSS
 
3:52 AM
hello
here Could I ask about this:
Why are questions no longer being accepted from my account?
 
4:14 AM
@Machavity Indeed
 
 
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5:59 AM
What is this Yam bot quoting me each time there is an edit?
 
@Cœur it pings the cv requester to check the post if it is edited in case you want to change your mind
 
Ah OK, so it's kind of for potential "reopen" scenarios. I've cast my re-open vote in the above case.
 
generally you can request the RO to remove your cv-pls request and/or make a reopen request if you want
 
Alright, I'm officially peeved a tiny bit
@YvetteColomb Are you around?
 
Rob
6:16 AM
Why's that?
 
I got some declined flag texts that make absolutely no sense whatsoever
In context
This is why I'd like a feature to ask a question about a flag handling directly from the flag UI. I can't do anything with this feedback since it directly contradicts what the user profile says
Or at least assumes I have access to information I don't
 
user3956566
@Magisch yes
 
6:34 AM
@YvetteColomb rob has agreed to take a look.
Apparently the disclaimers that the flag was semi automatic invites more declines. I got more this weekend then in 1500 flags before
 
Odd, I lost the CSS gold badge, and my score is back to 996 (what it was last time I logged on and viewed it a few days ago).
Boltclock thought it might be someone added the tag to a question and then removed it, but... I looked at all 280 of my answers and none of those questions have been edited in the last 48 hours. The last one to be edited didn't add the badge... and I have only two recently-deleted answers, both of which were 0 score...
And it's not like someone could edit a question to add a tag and then remove it under the grace period on any questions I've answered...
Ah well, it's Monday so it makes sense that something like this would happen :-)
 
@TylerH Presumably, you checked your questions too. The only scenario, other than a glitch, which fits you not gaining/loosing any reputation in the last several days is the editing the tag into/out-of one or more questions. But, you say you've checked for that. Hmmm... could be a redacted version (highly unlikely, but would probably fit).
 
@Makyen Yep, checked my questions as well. Plus I didn't receive any notifications for edits on my questions. My guess - a system recalculation gone bad
And to make matters odd - I still have the notification of earning it in my inbox
but I definitely don't have it anymore in my profile, and it showed up again in my list of "next earnable badges" on my profile
I don't think spam/abusive edits are redacted, unless there's some special circumstances. I mean, obviously it's hard to get numbers on something like that but I feel like it's still a super rare thing
But I suppose I can't really rule it out...
 
7:19 AM
@TylerH Tag-only edits are not considered substantial. You do not get notified for them. You are not notified for all edits to your posts. The edits have to be a body edit, over a threshold (exclusive of Markdown), or an edit to the title. Edits to code have a lower threshold, but not zero. Ref: No notification was received for an edit to a post. Edits to Markdown can be unlimited w/o notification (e.g. all links could be changed)
 
@Makyen Hmm, I see. Well, luckily it was easy for me to manually check all 7 of my questions :-)
Can moderators search for moderator-redactions? Maybe they're more common than I think
 
Morning \o
 
I assume that they are very rare. I only mentioned it because it could fit, but I consider it very unlikely. I have no idea if they can search for them.
 
I asked Boltclock as well. .. but now I really should head to bed
morning will come all too soon
 
Rob
@TylerH Nope. But it's also extremely unlikely that a tag was removed as part of a redaction
 
7:38 AM
@Rob I'm not even sure if tag only redactions are even possible... if you don't change any text in the body, it doesn't allow it to be submitted.
 
7:51 AM
 
Morning
 
 
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9:02 AM
morning \o
 
o/
 
9:26 AM
@Yam no improvement.. OP probably made it worse by adding "urgent"
 
9:45 AM
@Shadow I'd be careful about targeting questions that haven't had any activity for a while, AFAIK we're only supposed to highlight questions with recent activity, that question's had nothing happen for nearly a year
Other two are fine though
 
 
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10:55 AM
@MichaelDodd closing an off-topic question without involving any mods should be fine
what the mods do not want to do is to handle old, abandoned questions - but we can handle this one
 
@Shadow I'm only going off the guidelines on the SOCVR site and the fact I've been ticked off myself for doing the same previously. I can't remember the exact reasoning behind it, but I'm guessing it's so this room doesn't get absolutely flooded with old requests
 
waffle
 
Ehm... is this is a NAA with some onsite spam buried inside or ? stackoverflow.com/a/51243867/4805174
 
@kayess if they have paid for ad on jobs, it seems strange that they would spam... I would only go NAA, you could go custom mod flag.
The custom mod flag would mostly be to investigate if they are doing strange stuff with bots
 
@Pett went NAA
 
11:12 AM
They have put an exact address, but the rest of the profile is empty. Isn't it strange?
 
 
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12:27 PM
Hi guys! Could you help me to reopen this question stackoverflow.com/q/51169934/8041231, please? The closure reason is nonsense. It's a valid question with specific answer (see the comments).
 
@Victoria I did vtro. Maybe it got close-voted 'cos the 'Leaving background thread running and just forgetting about it is not an option' constraint with no explanation for it.
 
@Machavity I see whole numbers <shudders>
 
@Victoria I voted, but the OP really does need to add some details to make the question clearer. Otherwise it looks like "How I do this? Nothing work!" questions that litter the landscape
 
@MartinJames sure, actually leaving the thread is the only way if there's no connection timeout option and the driver connection function is synchronous.
 
12:43 PM
+1
 
@Machavity welcome to FireDAC tag! :) What's more, that Firebird timeout feature is quite well hidden feature of FireDAC.
 
It's open now if you like to answer it
 
@Victoria Finally, a tag that PHP users can point to and go "Thank goodness we're not FireDAC" :P
 
@Machavity What do you have against these question, they are the best ;), I'm not kidding
personally I hate the debug my code questions, filled with code and what they have tired...
 
Thanks guys!
 
12:59 PM
> Rational software is powered by Jazz technology
So... it's really irrational then?
 
It's all irrational.
 
@Olaf Yeah - I've always gone with just storing it in some variable. Seems to work for me:)
@Machavity Only if there's a Clarinet in the band.
 
@MartinJames Nah, that's too much 70/80ies. Modern devs use a BT-adapter to contact their WLAN server to store it in the cloud. I'm sure there is also a blue or RGB LED involved somewhere.
 
@MartinJames So long as it's not a green clarinet
 
@Olaf Yeah - I really must get with the times. I could use a variable as backup in case the server or network is down:)
 
1:05 PM
@MartinJames NEVER! Just use a second cloud and blame Amazon.
 
@MichaelDodd lol, I want one!
@Olaf yeah - I could sue Amazon for losing my unsigned int!
 
@MartinJames You had to prove it's your's. For that you have to sign it.
 
@Olaf maybe - I'll set up an appointment with a team of lawyers to check it out.
 
@MartinJames To speed things up(??), invite marketing and accounting, they will be required lateron anyway.
 
It's possible that Amazon have better lawyers and an indemnity shield against mind-bogglingly stupid designs.
 
1:12 PM
@MartinJames You're such an optimist
 
@techraf Nice answer about RF power etc. Shame the Q is grossly off-topic:(
 
@MartinJames Porting to electronics?
 
@Olaf Maybe. All I know is that if it's better than -110, my calls gonna work OK:)
 
1:24 PM
'Situation x = ( y = 3, ( z = ++y + 2 ) + 5 )'... why do users keep on torturing themselves with such expressions? Are they actually suicidal?
 
Ron
o/
 
@MartinJames Maybe they think they have to pay per line of code.
 
Ron
@NathanOliver lol
 
1:28 PM
@NathanOliver I don't mind, as long as I don't have to debug it, or see it posted on SO as an example for future users/visitors:(
 
Ron
2 hrs of sleep makes wonders.
In total.
 
@Ron s/wonders/hallucinations
 
@techraf Deleteable
 
'Wow! This PHP server script is magic'
 
Ron
@MartinJames Yes. I'm seeing interesting projects.
 
1:32 PM
@Rob @JonClements Thanks; I was thinking more an entire revision redaction a la the old CM revision-deletions circa 2014 before the two-mod system came into play. A revision that was entirely spam that included a tag edit that also did nothing bad add personal bank information (or something wild like that) may be a candidate for a total nuke... but like I said that seems quite far-fetched
 
@TylerH you mean you haven't had 4 upvotes to correct the balance yet? :)
 
@JonClements haha no
I did get one last night though
 
Ron
1:48 PM
@TylerH Congrats on that gold gangsta grillz.
 
@Ron thanks, currently that's pending some site weirdness last night :-)
 
Ron
Stack Overflow Things, season 01.
 
@MartinJames No, they feel they become great haxors writing unreadable code.
If I were to change C, the comma-operator certainly would be the first victim of the scalpell. The assignment operators being an expression (i.e. yielding a result) the second.
 
Ron
Have you heard Frank Sinatra's rendition of "Killing me softly"?
Amazing stuff.
 
@Ron They resurrected him?
 
Ron
2:00 PM
Anyone subscribed to Criterion channel?
So many covers of this one. I like Kim Wilde's version best.
@Olaf Ever listened to Vanilla Fudge?
 
Ron
Fun fact: the work on C++ started the year I was born.
 
Fun fact: The work on me started 9 month before I was born.
 
Ron
Haha.
True.
I forgot what being drunk was like but lack of sleep comes close.
 
2:12 PM
@NathanOliver Back when you were still being compiled?
 
nice
 
Ron
Some are interpreted.
Advancement of science and all.
@Olaf How's that job thingie?
How cool would it have been to listen to live Donna Summer performance?
 
@Ron Nothing new, yet. Seems like the californication virus has reached Southern Germany.
@Ron Is that Milli Vanilli baked? With this weather I prefer vanilla icecream.
 
@Ron hehe
 
@Ron Yeah, Kim rulez.
@Ron I wish I had seen Pink Floyd's Pulse tour live.
 
Ron
2:26 PM
@Olaf Yeah, that one too.
 
@Ron I have the DVD. Apparently it's not the same, but it gives a good impression.
 
Grab the popcorn, the British Government is starting to collapse
 
@MichaelDodd GB doing the Spanish? Why, after all they let the Scottish people vote.
 
@MichaelDodd yeah... it's all go at the moment isn't it :)
Think Boris has chosen now to start his bid for PM :)
 
Rumour is Liam Fox is about to resign too
 
Ron
2:30 PM
I read Italians had 60+ governments since WW2.
 
disclaimer: I'm a red-flag flying Corbyn supporter. This is fairly satisfying to watch.
 
@MichaelDodd ooo....so the guys just wanted their ministerial cars to get home from Chequers and now the coup begins :)
 
@JonClements Indeed, they were told they'd have to walk home if they resigned on Friday
 
@Michael sounds like I'm quite a bit more to the right then you... but even I'm loving this :)
 
@JonClements the guy is a complete loon, but we should probably not discuss politics here...
 
2:32 PM
they've also had a Conservative MP in a radio interview basically say "Theresa May and no 10 are trying to deceive the country" :)
@TylerH yeah... good point... :)
 
@JonClements Grew up in a North West industrial town, currently living in a council estate (albeit homeowner), would happily pay a bit more tax to ensure stuff is properly funded
 
Anyway... @Michael as Tyler suggests... exciting as it is... we should probably leave the room to focus on close votes and stuff rather than theatrics :)
 
Noted :)
 
Ron
I am going full pellets this winter.
Something like @SmokeDetector.
 
Plop everyone
 
plip!
 
Plep
 
3:29 PM
@Ron Lost your job and biscuits are too expensive? Get spruce pellets. easier to bite than oak.
 
3:41 PM
If you're 20,000 reputation, there is a pending Wiki Tag Edit to improve, as it's only removing only half of a link: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/20238496. And if you're wondering why the link is no longer working, it's because IBM has officially took it down in January 2018: developer.ibm.com/swift/2017/12/07/…
 
Ron
@Olaf Still clinching to it. Or it clinches to me. Depends on the view.
 
@Cœur You don't need 20k reputation to approve wiki tag edits
 
@TylerH If I approve it, there will be a dangling link reference left.
 
@Cœur why not approve and then remove the dangling reference yourself? :-)
You'd get +2 rep even now (assuming you never got 1k reputation from suggested edits before you reached 2k reputation)
 
3:45 PM
I have a short list for closure in [ibm]. It's related to this related cleanup
 
Ron
Too much on-topic for me ;)
See you tomorrow.
 
@Machavity What's the rational behind it?
 
@Cœur Heh. I think you mean rationale :P (one of those odd English lang quirks)
 
@Ron Bye Ron.
 
3:58 PM
Lord ByeRon
^- indicator of lack of coffee
 
4:13 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I thinks it's more "unclear". Can you make sense of it (even with the comments - if that's some hardware address, only one process should be able to access it at a time)?
 
@Olaf OP already clarified a bit in comments.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ That's why I mentioned the comments above. They just make it look like an XY problem, but still not clear.
 
As it's right now, there are too many solutions possible under any decent linux system => TB
 
4:30 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ From the comments I don't think this is about shared memory. Could be some hardware-peripheral stuff. Or maybe Linux on alien spaceship => unclear
:-þ
 
Anyone got a brick wall I can bash my head against, or a clue-by-4 I can wield?
 
@MichaelDodd I don't know about a brick wall but I know some people with extremist opinions, will that work?
 
For burninations, Shog will delete anything that's closed, right?
So no need to post delete requests here?
 
@EJoshuaS The moderator will then contact a community manager to delete any closed, negatively-scored questions with the doomed tag, and subsequently remove the tag from the system entirely.
 
4:43 PM
@GrumpyCrouton Beware! email marketing has found stack overflow …
 
@PaulStenne Can't post the question here as it'd be conflict of interest since I've answered, but someone's having a hard time getting their head around an IndexOutOfBoundsException in an ArrayList...
 
@EJoshuaS Normally, yes. The one's a bit special, so I'm not sure. This one may be just removing the tag. This would be a good thing to ask on the Meta post, or in the tag's burnination room.
 
My list is down to 6 now and many have 4 CVs (see first non-sticky star)
 
@MichaelDodd It's a "no mcve" anyway. Plus a link to an image if the errors
 
Yeah have already close voted, more than happy to delete the answer if it gets closed.
 
4:48 PM
@Makyen I know from my answer to the IBM burnination request that blacklisting the tag was declined, so it's unlikely that there will be an auto-delete.
 
The image error was a later addition
 
Hi @Antti
 
@Cœur Well, deleting closed questions is a normal part of the burnination process (see the text @NathanOliver quoted above). While I consider it likely that closed posts will be deleted, the burnination, is really an abbreviated burn, due to the large quantity of questions. The tag's just going to be cleaned up for a week and then the tag deleted. I'd assume that they will also delete the closed questions, as normal, but I don't know.
 
3
Q: What is the point of the [category] tag?

Silvio MayoloI discovered the category tag earlier today, which seems to have no well-defined purpose. It has roughly 2,000 questions and seems to be highly ambiguous in usage. The tag wiki is not very helpful. A category is a grouping of information or data, which can be used for grouping, sorting, index...

 
5:12 PM
Is suggesting edits to insert a link to your website okay? The link appears on topic, the information could be helpful, but....
 
@AndrewMyers Depends on the amount of suggestions, the relevance, and the nature of the affiliation. In most cases I'd say no, comments would already be spammish and suggested edits are a step beyond that. It really depends on the amount and relevance though. How many suggestions are we talking about?
 
@PaulStenne Just one, so far
 
@AndrewMyers Then it's okay, do notify the author that they should be veeeeery cautious
 
5:27 PM
plop
 
In a meeting
 
I caught fish over the weekend
 
makreel?
 
Sardines?
 
5:29 PM
@rene yes
 
those taste well!
 
@gunr2171 And here I thought you'd gone and caught a tuna key
 
Na, I didn't travel to France
Though if I did, I know what sort of fishing equipment I'd use, a Spearrel
 
With harnish!
 
Can you unstar that post I have with the mini-burn? It's all done now
 
5:36 PM
done
 
@gunr2171 Let me guess: Hand ghe spearrel on a fishing rod and let it use the spear in the water. Does spearrel scuba gear exist?
 
Or I could just throw kyll in the water. Both are amusing :)
I'm now obligated to inform @PaulStenne that we're talking about him
 
@Yam Fine, there's code now, but still no clear statement about the specific problem. Still looks like asking to be spoon-fed to me.
 
@gunr2171 Did he became serious in view of potential employers in the recent year?
:3
 
@Cœur I improved edited the dangling link out
 
6:02 PM
@Mach What should we do with that offensive comment?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Which?
 
Heh. it's gone now
 
6:31 PM
Lil' tag FR
 
7:20 PM
Important stuff happening on this Saturday.
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^Should be pinned, so that we don't forget about it!
 
What's a good link to give someone who serially upvoted me? This meta link on "What is serial voting and how does it affect me?"
 
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hah, Feeds, taking the job of Room owners
 
Trying to upstage rene, eh Feeds?
 
7:33 PM
@Makyen @JonClements @Rob Apparently even Shog is stumped on my mysterious transient gold badge :-D
I think I have completed after that...
 
7:45 PM
@rene yeah, Nathan and I will be meeting up IRL.
 
@TylerH yeah :)
 
@TylerH Yep, you're done.
 
@gunr2171 cool... You and your "meetings" :p
 
oh, wow. Uh, unintentional "meeting" reference there.
 
You should start worrying. You're not even consciously aware you're doing it :)
 
7:52 PM
hence the vacation starting on Thursday : )
 
He will have to schedule an meeting appointment with his therapist.
 
@Nathan I'd let @gunr2171 use mine... But apparently after one session with me he's being given sedatives, a tight fitting jacket and keeps screaming something about puppies while bouncing off the walls in his new bedroom...
 
all these square makes a circle, all these squares make a circle...
 
@JonClements Oh.. duvets for wallpaper?
 
Yeah.... you know the place hey? :)
I might make a note to one night sneak into that room and stare at them from the shadows in the corner of the room just so he doesn't miss me too much.
 
8:47 PM
@Yam Still Unclear / Too broad.
 
lol - funny fallout from the Tavern: Shoggy the now-mod asked a [multithreaded] Q in 2009 that I could surely have helped with but... I was suspended:)
 
9:28 PM
I have a few IBM questions left in [rational]
 
10:17 PM
What do you think of the edit on this question? stackoverflow.com/q/51055137/5468463
 
I think that sort of content should be in an answer only (and the editor seems to have answered also)
 
Usually, it's the author of the question and also a new user who does this kind of edits. Here is not the case. I am hesitating on the right action to take. I lean to leave a message to the editor and then rollback.
The question is closable as no more reproducible, but it needs to be answered first I guess?
 
Roll it back to revision 1. Create a Community Wiki answer with the information which was edited in to the question and give credit to the user who edited it in.
 
You wouldn't copy it into their current answer?
 
@Makyen Ah! That's smart, thank you!
 
10:28 PM
@AndrewMyers (@Vega) I missed that they also had an answer. I was a bit on auto-pilot. You're right, that user's existing answer is the correct target for the information.
 
@AndrewMyers @Makyen I didn't miss, I didn't see, how bad of me :(
Then, simply rolling back would be sufficient? Or should I edit the answer with the above edit part?
 
Well, since the info in the edit seems more detailed (read: there's more text), it might be good to copy it into the answer
 
I'd roll it back and edit in whatever is in the question now which isn't in the answer. I'd probably even give the answer the h1 (#) heading that it's fixed.
I don't have a problem with the user wanting to get the word out that the problem's fixed. In fact, that's a good thing. It just needs to be in SO's Q&A format.
 
@Yam Improved from the original attempt. Voted to reopen.
 
Is it okay to copy a CodePen with an MIT license into a question? (and the CodePen author is not the question asker)
I just rolled back such an edit, and I'm wondering if I was correct
 
10:45 PM
@AndrewMyers CodePen is one of the few where it's actually OK, because all of their public pens are MIT licensed. However, the user must copy the full MIT license along with the code into the question. From a legal standpoint, the code ends up dual licensed due to the CC BY-SA 3.0 license being more restrictive than the MIT license. User's can choose which license they want their use of the code to be under.
 
So I was half wrong
I didn't realize MIT licensed material was okay to copy
But I should have edited to include the license instead of rolling back
 
@AndrewMyers The MIT license is a very permissive license. People get the right to "deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software…", but the copyright notice and the license must be included in all copies.
 
@Makyen CodePen offers the license as an HTML comment. Do I need to put it at the top of the HTML snippet or is it okay to be buried at the bottom? (Or should I put it outside for better visibility?)
 
@AndrewMyers meh. It's better to error on the side of caution. It takes research to know what license each off-site repository happens to be using, and then forming a legal opinion as to which ones are compatible with CC BY-SA 3.0. Oh, and standard disclaimer: IANAL and this is is not / has not been legal advice. It's just my opinion on the situation and expressing what I'd do in a situation.
@AndrewMyers You can include it as comments in the code. OTOH, I'd be fine with something like "The above code is licensed under the MIT license. It's copyright XXXX by [enter user who created the CodePen]. The full MIT license is available in the following snippet, which you can expand if you want to read it:" and then have the full license in a snippet that's default hidden. Doing it that way doesn't take that much space in the question, as it's really secondary to the question itself.
 
11:01 PM
@Makyen I ended up leaving it as a code comment
 
That works.
 

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