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00:04
Ninja'd.
@Machavity Given that new answer is at least close to spam (see profile), 20k it?
Sure. LQPed but 20k nuke works too
@techraf Is it? The answer looks reasonably complete at first glance.
@BaummitAugen But I consider the question too broad. I might be wrong. You might disagree. That’s why 5 votes are required, isn’t it?
00:20
@techraf Sure. I wasn't commanding you to retract your vote. I just wanted to know your reasoning because, looking at the post alone, I did not come to the same conclusion as you did.
01:41
... and someone up-voted that question(?)
02:39
new user. self promo and duplicate answers. only two so far as of this message.
 
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03:51
Jon Skeet is at 999,666!
04:47
@Li357 Is that through a mirror, or not?
 
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07:48
Morning \o
07:59
@SurajRao Nah I didn't check SOCVR. I just used a userscript.
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08:48
I just wrote the following code, which made me feel shame and laugh at the same time:
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// Await success
await success;
09:09
@TinyGiant I hope you can cancel that ;)
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@rene It's a trick, because success resolves to either true on success or false of failure.
:D
 
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10:28
> You will suffer from 7 years of misfortune if you mention jQuery in any form or shape.
lol, that in footer of a Q
Well, the Skeet did it
Plop everyone
I'm amazed it didn't break.
And it says 1.0m now
Maybe they tested it Friday and had to push a build ...
So there's a rounding error... 999500+ rep rounds to 1000k instead of 1.0m
I wonder if it's worth a bug report on Meta
10:39
@PaulStenne if you fancy down votes. I'll bring my socks if you post that
I'm just waiting for a congratulating post to throw upvotes at it
@PaulStenne lets leave that to staff or mods...
@PetterFriberg Yeah I know, I want to see diamonds throwing flowers
Figuratively
People already leaving comments :D stackoverflow.com/questions/48258563/…
Oh wait it still says 1000k on answers but it says 1.0m on the profile
 
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12:01
@PetterFriberg Would be more impressive if it wasn't yet-another-duplicate. Sigh. stackoverflow.com/…
@Mogsdad You can't get that rep without answering some dupes :D
@Mogsdad hmm I checked some.. not really same since it's java-8, probably a dupe somewhere but I can't really find a good one... we would need the fish for that.
Anyway... I see somebody has been busy seeding the queue! Updated "Documentation" tag clean up.
@Mogsdad maybe I'm not sure, the core issue however seems to be the same, date conversion.
 
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14:20
So there will be a tickertape parade down the middle of chat later today for Jon Skeet, followed by a puppet show
o/
Skeet can now be used as a unit of measure.
He's only 319,2848020434227 times ahead of me rep.wise ...
@kayess only.... yeah.... :)
@JonClements : )
14:29
It's almost an anti-climax... I was secretly hoping trying to get onto SO and it just crashing with some actual overflow errors caused by Skeet... :p
Skeet Overflow. Sounds kinda meta to me
Of course - it could never Overflow - the integers will just double in size to appease "the Skeet"...
Infinity checks with Skeet first to make sure it can still be used as a reference.
@JonClements Jon Skeet solved Meltdown and Spectre by releasing a microcode update that consisted entirely of him saying "You're doing it wrong"
lol
14:42
@sam-pyt Will Roomba in 2 days
@sam-pyt Why waste del-votes? It will get automatically deleted in 2 days.
@techraf you can never be sure enough ;), The answer could be accepted..
@PetterFriberg I've never gotten that. It adds 10 days for some reason. Roomba is 9, 30 and 365
14:46
@Machavity You dare to tell that @Makyen script is wrong..
kick him :D
kick
Thanks
good news, RO's can kick other RO's
inb4 coup attempt
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15:02
@PetterFriberg You can wait two days and issue the request then.
@techraf true, but also baah wait for stuff is not efficiente, sometimes you like to get rid of stuff, I agree if they roomba you should think twice, but since user of request seems fairly new to me and Mac had already asked, I just taught I should drop you the answer to why a user could request it even if roomba
That's similar --^, it will get deleted by queue, but also since risking spam flags I agree that the vote of 20K to delete can fix the problem
@PetterFriberg Mod nuked it and apparently the user too
oki
@tripleee now it works again for sure :D --^
15:21
@kayess (because I don't want to answer in the comments) It's because you have javascript that tries to load from kaspersky labs, and it's really slow to connect. Turning off javascript for the domain makes it load fast.
@gunr2171 huh?
my answer to that question. I don't want to answer it though (because it should be closed) or put a comment because it encourages the author that they can still get an answer.
I'm "ranting"
@gunr2171 ah gotcha!
Ron
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o/
15:24
hum, code got added but I'm not sure that's enough for a full mcve
nope
It literally looks like he copy/pasted his entire website into the html section of codepen. Literally none of the links/scripts work.
@TinyGiant Needed to follow with:
$.profit()
@kayess Yep,.
Any "where do I start" question would have to be too broad.
15:33
@Mogsdad Thanks. CV'd as TB.
@kayess Questions that ask "where do I start" are typically too broad and are not a good fit for this site. People have their own method for approaching the problem and because of this there cannot be a correct answer. Give a good read over Where to Start, then address your post.
@gunr2171 yeah forgot that autocomment
but... I wrote it!
in blood?
oh wait, not that one, crud
15:34
@gunr2171 I will add -- (C) your friendly gunr
to the end of the comment! :D
I think it might have Dur from a while ago
@kayess No. Just add "If this doesn't make sense, please contact gunr2171 on Stack Overflow"
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R.I.P. my inbox
@Machavity I'm wondering if I need to write lol but I've star'd your message
15:40
j-script >10K stackoverflow.com/a/48257833/5292302, deleted review, seems like answer, but does it has sense to undelete?
> You don't send event in handleSubmit(event), preventDefault() doesn't work
That's the answer --^
@PetterFriberg Possibly. I wouldn't have voted to delete that, but I do question if it's a comment
It's not obvious how it relates to the question
Holy 12 downvotes, I think that's the most I've seen on a regular post on stackoverflow.
@Machavity To me comment is only when you ask for clarification, if that could be a solution it should be undeleted if it's unclear what the heck it is lets just leave it.
@FrankerZ to many tags.. I saw a post -100+ the other day...
-100!?
Every post I usually see ends up at like -10 gets removed by that time
We delete the one I saw, but here is another one :D stackoverflow.com/questions/3905734/…
15:51
Impressive
16:36
@E_net4 what is "Pure ML"?
@TylerH Pure Machine Learning.
I'll avoid the acronym next time.
17:04
@E_net4 ah, you should use prescribed close reasons; "pure machine-learning" is not a valid reason to close a question on Stack Overflow
Why not?
Did you mean "not a default reason"?
besides, a canned reason has been given. Secondary reasons are fully free-form.
@PetterFriberg @Machavity @gunr2171 The currently released version of Roomba Forecaster is wrong, giving too long for the 9 day Roomba's delete time. In the last year, SE changed when the 9-day Roomba runs. The time used to be > 9 days after the question was actually closed (i.e. not "on hold") (At the time, I followed multiple questions through on-hold->closed->deleted to verify). Now, it's > 9 days after the Q's put "on hold". An update, including Greasemonkey 4 compatibility is in testing (6–8).
@TylerH What @JohnDvorak said. I did include a primary reason, but in this particular case, it is also off-topic with a reason outside the main list.
Pure machine learning questions may have their place in Cross Validated or Data Science SE, where the experts in this and related fields are. OTOH not all questions merit migration.
17:25
@JohnDvorak because machine learning is about programming; if the question doesn't have programming in it then sure
but if it does, it makes no difference whether it is for machine learning or latex or even haskell
as for the above question, the best CV reason is POB
Machine learning isn't in the same category as latex or haskell. The latter two are programming languages.
but I see your point
17:45
@TylerH You lost the argument by mentioning Haskell and so invoking 'Bertha's Law'.
18:01
@TylerH But would you ask how to format your biblatex bibliography in SO?
My point is that programming is only the means to "make machines learn". Even though programming is used to describe the process, knowing how to process data and design/train networks that make sense require expertise outside of the programming domain.
19:14
@Makyen no worries 6-8 is fine just don't tell @Machavity that he is right :)
I had @kayess kicking him....
@E_net4 and if the discussion is about machine learning on a broad scale, then just use "Too Broad"
no need to add a secondary, potentially problematic close reason
@TylerH I agree with John pure ML has sense as additional info
@PetterFriberg I don't. It's Too broad, okay, Too broad is given. It's about machine learning, okay, the tag machine-learning is included in the request
@TylerH Problematic, you say?
It's like staying pure how internet works.. since extra info to me ok
19:18
there's no need to say anything else
@E_net4 Actually I said potentially problematic
In the past we have had issues with people using non-prescribed reasons that reflected poorly on the room
and so each time the subject comes up, the general consensus/order from the ROs is 'just use prescribed close reasons'
Bah let's disagree I like extra info... and agreed with E_net
Did this question even need protection? We got an abusive answer, but I feel like any question could be the target of that. I'm curious what questions deserve protecting, and what the policy is on that.
@FrankerZ Well, for starters, there's no issue with pre-emptively protecting a question
there aren't a ton of <10 rep users clamoring for more rep so that they can post their answer
@TylerH not sure I have seen these directions about adding relative extra info
and second, the post had 4 deleted answers in the span of an hour, and it looks like those answers were spammy
so I would say yes, protection was warranted
19:22
@TylerH I wouldn't imagine there being a disagreement. There is general consensus about pure machine learning questions being off-topic, but this is often weakly enforced.
I agree default close reason should be given but extra info is good as long as it is not related to user
If you think extra relative info should not be allowed we would need to make an issue on next room meeting, I often try to add it when not really clear if one does not have domain knowledge
@PetterFriberg yes relevant info is not a problem
but the extra bit was superfluous based on what E_net meant
@TylerH baah let's move on
Sorry mobile phone:)
@FrankerZ PHP always needs protection - it's a racket:)
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19:37
@Mogsdad lulz
19:48
@Makyen Thanks for confirming
Can we close-vote any assembler with AT&T syntax as 'Unclear', by definition? All those '%' give me a headache, like '$' in other 'languages'.
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@Mogsdad @Makyen: I was working on this all night last night. A glimpse of the future of the MTR2 script. (very rough, very untested).
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o/
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(and by untested, I mean I still haven't run it yet)
@TinyGiant :-)
19:56
@TinyGiant Well, it takes so long to update the test spec, design and add the new test cases and reprogram the verification suite.. We understand.
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@MartinJames I haven't even gotten to that point yet
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@Makyen tell me what you think, I've adopted a somewhat expressive paradigm that others may disagree with, but that's nothing new.
@TinyGiant I'll look at it in more detail a bit later today. I need to finish up on the archiver first.
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Sounds good
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I do think this new paradigm is going to be very useful for debugging among other things.
20:37
\o
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o\
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21:09
@honk ͢o
@TinyGiant ⌉o「
@honk $\overline{\text{o}}$
@Adriaan LOL! At first I thought that you wanted to tell me, that I stepped over the line again...
This chatroom needs LaTeX support :p
21:24
The mighty swing of the mod sword
@FrankerZ They only have swords now? They used to have pens.
@MartinJames And phones
we get upgraded to the pens when the flag queue hits 1k+
which seems imminent
Sword pens?
21:27
@Undo Is that a hint to slow down on the flags? :)
nah, more than we need to pick up the pace
Use multiple pens at once?
@Undo I like the second one with the cute cat ears.
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Efficacy: unclear
21:42
@Undo oooh pretty
@TinyGiant @Makyen I like the way it's laid out - clear. You'll note I added a request for another Delete filter, wrt popularity.
@TinyGiant WoW, haven't seen that since elementary school music class.
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@Mogsdad The way that it is headed, it will be decoupling the API and filter part from the logic part, which will expand the API capabilities greatly (allowing access to different endpoints and such) and will allow for easier addition of filters.
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I basically want the script to be able to request any information that the API can provide, and provide a UI means of filtering and reviewing the results.
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It is artificially limited to the questions endpoint and a specific set of criteria right now, but in the future that should not be a problem
21:57
We'll name it JackOverflow!
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Lol
Good night o╱
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And I'll be removing the dependence on a supplied tag, so it won't be Magic Tag Review any more. It will just be Magic Review.
@FrankerZ Oww... what would that sound like if all five chalks screeched?
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In the process I'm going to have to document this paradigm.
22:02
Anyone want to help find more plagiarism in this list? stackoverflow.com/users/508127/thomas?tab=answers
Flag clear plagiarism for moderator attention, with the source that it was copied form. I found several instances already, but have to call it quits for tonight.
@MartijnPieters slaap wel
If the mods say it's bedtime here I guess I'll just have to comply. Good night all
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22:15
@MartijnPieters Wouldn't that be targeting a specific user which is a no-no? I thought this room deals only with cv? @Makyen What are your thoughts on that?
@MartijnPieters You do realize that our policy here is that we don't moderate users, right?
Ron
Ron
@MartijnPieters what @Mogsdad said.
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Bah, who are mods to think they are above the rules of the SOCVR?
Ron
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Yeah, fight the power.
22:27
2 messages moved from SOCVR Sanitarium
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?
After discussion w/ other ROs, Moderator's request has been reinstated as an allowed exception to room rules.
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Why are there rules in the first place? What's the point of all this?
Dec 22 '16 at 16:04, by gunr2171
normally this room is against user moderating, but seeing this is a request from a moderator and it's an understandably large task, I'll say it's ok.
Dec 22 '16 at 16:06, by Brad Larson
@gunr2171 And I'd generally be extremely reluctant to bring public attention down on someone, but after all they have done, and the multiple suspensions for this they have ignored, they are not welcome here. Also, people here had been flagging their previous instances of plagiarism.
that's the important bits
so basically if a moderator asks the room for help, it's because they can't do it themselves and we trust that they're using our time and reputation correctly.
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While I appreciate the transparency I must strongly object to this kind of behavior. Mods or no mods.
22:32
I agree that this can be contraversal. This would make a good meeting topic
sorry, afk, playing video games
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at least it's not a meeting
22:48
Hi all! o/
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o/
^ Or possibly spam.
Bah, not spam. Maybe abuse.
Actually, probably abuse...
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I agree.
Eh, 20k nuke, if they do it again, abuse nuke.
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@TinyGiant Can we please graveyard this one?
23:01
@Ron per request
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@Makyen Many thanks.
^ Complete nonsense, even by SO standards.
Ron
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Seems so.
Some people have it good and need not worry about -4C and firewood...
:)
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23:13
@Nkosi Haha, I knew you would respond.
> they're even still doing their own memory management
Eww. XD
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@Machavity And apparently Windows as that is more C WinAPI interfaces than it is C++.
Microsoft doing well in the long run it seems.
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Too bad almost nobody is using it here on Earth any more.
Except me.
@Ron Just being grateful.
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23:19
@Machavity That's BS, real star wars programmers use JavaScript.
@TinyGiant In Star Wars they use Lisp. Because everything in there is parenthetical
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Well HAL 9000 was apparently coded in Cobol as he issues reports on punched cards.
Funnily enough, there is Cobol 2014 apparently.
@BaummitAugen COBOL 2014: The Language that wouldn't die
Ron
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Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
23:24
XD
From what I've hear, it's not that bad of a language actually.
@Ron or both
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Irony is that Cobol jobs are well in the 200K range.
But then, people I talk to use C and C++, so our standards might be off. XD
but the life expectancy of those guys are coming to its end. lol
@Ron Hm, I'd learn a language for less. =D
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23:26
@BaummitAugen I once tried doing an overpaid job I wasn't interested in. Didn't work for me.
I blame SO for that ;)
@Ron Given I have absolutely no idea about cobol, I don't even know whether or not it would be interesting. On the other hand, there's no such thing as a free lunch...
Welp, we're at 1700ish closed questions in
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@BaummitAugen True.
I would learn Fortran though even for not that great of a pay I suppose. Worst thing about that seems to be the compiler support, the language itself seems not that bad at first glance.
While we are speaking about languages from the past.
Looks better than C for sure.
Ron
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@BaummitAugen My advice would be to stick with the C++ and push for 65K. Before you know it you could be in the 100K neighborhood.
23:30
Yeah, C++ > Fortran easily.
As long as it's not Adobe style code base.
"I'm getting weird template errors." "Try #undef false." :/
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Haha.
True story, Sean Parent mentioned that in a talk.
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23:48
@BaummitAugen Interesting, was that from CPP Con?
@Ron CppCon or going native iirc.
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@BaummitAugen I miss those lectures where you can see snippets of code, strategies and guidelines IRL. Lectures that are not detached from reality.
@Ron Watching talks can even net you some nice repz. ;) stackoverflow.com/a/32302644/3002139
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@BaummitAugen Awesome. I was just about to ask you what other lecturers do you like to follow.

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