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user3956566
1:40 AM
@MartinJames yep he's right :D @Ron
 
user3956566
2:01 AM
@Olaf :D
 
Those comments popped up while I was writing some very nice comment.
 
user3956566
how on earth can someone - asking for help - expect people to help them if they call them idiots? Not to mention, they are accusing the people they've come to for help of being idiots.. what does that make them who knows less? It's illogical
 
@YvetteColomb Well, that's a typical case of projection.
 
user3956566
@Olaf yes indeed it is my friend, indeed it is
 
4:00 AM
@EJoshuaS Seriously? That looks more like another stupid troll attempt to me.
 
@Olaf Yeah, it's pretty bad.
 
@EJoshuaS It may be better as "too broad", as it could be a programming question.
 
4:39 AM
@SardarUsama This question isn't a debugging question. Thus, "no MCVE" is not valid as a close reason. Only debugging questions require a MCVE (homework questions require an attempt, but not a MCVE, unless also debugging). A MCVE can be quite helpful for other types of questions, but it's not necessary. It can/should be closed as "too broad", IMO.
 
4:51 AM
@SardarUsama, FYI: your cv-pls requests will get a faster response when not "no MCVE" (or "duplicate", for some tags), as those reasons tend to require more domain knowledge than other close reasons. Thus, fewer people take a look at them. However, this can be mitigated by adding additional factual information in the request (e.g. for "no MCVE" also tell us there's "no code", when there isn't any, or exactly what's missing (e.g. "no expected behavior" or "no specific problem or error")).
 
@Makyen Nonsense. Asking a vague question about how to get Windows to pretend a sound device is a movement device (or vice versa) is not a programming question. I want my stereo to tell me it's a LearJet is not a programming question.
 
@KenWhite Yep, it's pretty nonsensical - can it be flagged as trolling do you think, or just downvote and VTC?
 
@EJoshuaS Just VTC. Misguided user, maybe? No evidence of trolling (yet), although I have some suspicions related to an account that was suspended for misconduct earlier today.
 
@KenWhite I think we all agree it should be closed. To me, while quite vague, it reads as if it could be intended as a programming question, by someone that really doesn't know what they're doing. Frankly, there's no way for us to know without more information. But, I can see someone new to programming, with no device driver experience, asking a question that way. I'd just prefer to close it for the more general reason, assuming good faith, rather than "not here", which might be wrong.
 
@Makyen does it explain whats wrong with his code, why it is not working? does he provide any error message? answers to all these questions are no. No MCVE is the perfect reason for that question
 
5:05 AM
@Makyen I prefer to close it as quickly as possible, because it makes no sense. Sound and movement are clearly quite different, and the question is ridiculoua. At the best, it is nonsense. At the worst, it's trolling. In either case, it has absolutely no value here. The reason why it is closed is irrelevant, because it needs to be deleted, and that is done more quickly once it's closed. Choose whatever reason makes you feel best.
 
@Makyen Following that logic, my tendency would be to go with "unclear what you're asking" as a close vote reason.
 
@SardarUsama Hmmm... I think I linked to the wrong question, mixed up tabs, or read it wrong (I'm not sure which, as I've gone through multiple questions/tabs since then). Sorry about that. You are correct. The text for that question certainly indicates they have made an attempt and it's not working.
 
Well, I'de best be off to sleep.
 
@EJoshuaS Unclear also works. I'd lean towards TB, as it's what I'd VtC if they merely made their question clear. In other words, unclear is the first layer, which could be trivially corrected, but doing so would leave it as either too broad or general computing. So, yeah, as @KenWhite said, for this one, it probably doesn't matter that much which close reason is used. I'm just in favor of using the close reason that gives the OP as much of a pointer towards having an on-topic Q as possible.
 
user177800
5:22 AM
@Makyen not correct, ever on topic question should have some code in it.
 
@Makyen Giving a user a pointer towards having an on-topic Q as possible might work, if the question was anywhere near on-topic in the first place. Salvage this one, which is not much worse. Pointers don't help when the question isn't anywhere close to relevant or useful. The tour and help center take care of that.
 
@JarrodRoberson While it's generally true that having code in the question helps to clarify and narrow a question, it certainly isn't a requirement that a question must have code in it to be on-topic. The only type of question which must have code, a MCVE, is a debugging question (homework questions must have an attempt, which is usually code, but may not be).
 
@JarrodRoberson I think you missed to CV that. I see zero votes on it.
 
user177800
@NisargShah I clicked the wrong thing and retracted my vote, can not vote on it again. It slipped through
 
@JarrodRoberson aha...would be pretty handy if system allowed switching to a different type of CV rather that retracting it
 
user177800
5:31 AM
@Makyen as you have been told by others, "no it is not the only question that requires code", every on topic question about code requires code.
 
user177800
@Makyen it is clearly stated in stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask
 
user177800
@Makyen and almost all questions without code are off-topic in some fashion.
 
@JarrodRoberson That's not what you previously stated. Every question must be self contained (at least minimally). Thus, if it's asking about specific code then the question needs to contain that code. That is significantly different then saying "ever [sic] on topic question should have some code in it."
 
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Jon SkeetStrings are immutable. That means once you've created the String, if another process can dump memory, there's no way (aside from reflection) you can get rid of the data before garbage collection kicks in. With an array, you can explicitly wipe the data after you're done with it. You can overwrit...

 
user177800
@Makyen on the whole, yes every on topic question should have some code, because the gross majority of question without code are off-topic. I can not think of a single question right now that fits in with the "how to ask" page that would not require at least a single line of code in the question.
 
5:38 AM
@NisargShah FYI: In general, this room discourages one-boxes.
 
@Makyen ah..my bad...I was just pointing out a question that doesn't have a single line of code
 
@JarrodRoberson There is a large difference between "should" and "must". I think we both agree that having code usually (up to nearly all the time) makes a question significantly better (and can often make the difference between being closable due to being unclear/too broad and being an acceptable question). However, please see: "Is there really a universal code requirement?"
@NisargShah Thank you. I appreciate the support.
 
5:55 AM
@JarrodRoberson Just FYI: That page, How do I ask a good question?, states "Not all questions benefit from including code."
 
 
 
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Ron
9:22 AM
@KenWhite Me too. He was wreaking havoc yesterday. I flagged one post I was pretty sure it was him.
 
10:12 AM
can't delv, for some reason
 
@Jean-François I know he's not exactly been civil to you, but no need to be uncivil yourself here - thanks.
@JohnDvorak think it needs to be -3
 
even for a 20k?
 
Users with reputation ≥ 20k (more precisely, the trusted-user privilege; 4k on beta sites) are not subject to the 48-hour waiting period for deleting closed questions with a score of −3 or lower. They may also delete answers of score −1 or lower. It takes three votes to delete an answer.
 
gotcha, thanks
 
BDL
11:09 AM
The actual problem is already present in the first version of the question. The request for more code was acutally useless.
 
 
1 hour later…
12:25 PM
@adiga hmmm, we don't like to handle posts you have a stake in. Raise a mod flag instead.
 
@rene oh sorry. Can you delete the request, please.
 
1:01 PM
@JonClements I thought I was nice enough (I don't think it was addressed to me anyway). Well, I want to avoid the question being reopened, because each time such questions are reopened then someone posts a crap answer.
(and bozo is only for the ppl of this room, I'll stop using "bozo" from now on)
 
1:20 PM
@Jean-François just best to not get into the habit of doing so or it's easy to find you may do so when you don't really meant to... anyway- 4 hour delay? :p
 
1:56 PM
Should link-only answers with dead links be flagged as NAA or for mod? stackoverflow.com/a/43309406/4774918 (too old for VLQ)
 
Tried looking for living ones ? And if so just edit them ?
 
@kayess 1) I don't see what the poster wanted to say. 2) Link-only answer. WHo will guarantee to next link will stay valid? This just moves the problem to the future (like the global economy does)
 
@JonClements I like closure :)
 
Ron
Ola.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: Of course that answer is NAA. I wonder about the original answer. In some way, that NAA answer you commentd was even helpful.
@Ron f
 
Ron
2:02 PM
@Olaf ...ricking awesome?
 
@Ron Always.
 
Ron
2:20 PM
I am under the impression that the person who got suspended yesterday is trolling the C++ tag with numerous sock puppet accounts.
And doesn't seem to be slowing down.
One after the other.
 
2:34 PM
@Ron Why do you think it's the same? It is sunday and homework due tomorrow.
 
Ron
@Olaf I've taken that into account but still something suspicious about accounts springing up today and some posts carry resemblance to the suspended user's style.
@Olaf But yeah, ultimately it's all guess work.
 
@Ron Well, we had a troll phase some months ago. Idi** happen.
 
Ron
@Olaf How long did it last?
 
There's phases where there aren't trolls? I must have missed those... :p
 
2:37 PM
@Ron Don't remember. some weeks, I think.
 
Ron
Not pretty.
 
@JonClements Well, sit down at the campfire and listen to the olds, I'll tell you of a time the world internet was young and goldnuggets fine usenet posts could be easily found in Alaska online.
 
I used usenet quite a bit in the early 90s... don't think I used it much after 2004
 
I still dial-in into a bbs ...
 
Ron
I remember those BBS and singing 14400 modems days.
@rene Zing!
 
2:44 PM
My favourite BBS used to be one called "Boiled Sweets Music". I was a Remote Access admin... and remember because I was hooked on Tradewars - I sent the guy a cheque so he could get a full copy of it :p
 
@Ron No acoustic-copplers?
 
Ron
@Olaf Haha, sadly no. Only that annoying chirping-gargling sound.
External modems were pretty expensive.
 
@Ron You really must be younger than me. My times, 300b/s acoustic copplers were the only (halfway) legal & affordable way to transmit data. The only other option were rented Deutsche Bundespost modems which were installed by that state-company.
Not sure how it was back then in Eastern Europe.
 
3:00 PM
@Olaf I recall a hobby/self-build project in an electronics magazine where you could build your own modem but you still had to send it in to the Dutch Phone agency (PTT) to get your self-build device approved.
 
@rene Not sure about the Netherlands, but we also had a lot of self-made modems (those were the acousticcouplers). But getting The Post approve them was like making an Elephant fly by flapping his ears - it worked only in Disney films.
 
lol
 
I remember friends of mind drove to Holland for bying ne, fancy phones. Of course it was illegal to replace those old-style German phones, but … well.
 
I just use to growl at 'em until it worked... no need for flying elephants...
 
Saying was, some users could establish a modem connect by whistling. Maybe the original meaning of "whistleblower"?
 
3:06 PM
@Olaf not according to Wiki...
 
@JonClements Growling at the Post was a good way to make them even more suspicious than asking about data transmission already did. That all was btw. a major reason the CCC was founded.
@JonClements Bah, Wiki …
 
Ron
@Olaf I am 0x26 and counting.
 
You're an ampersand?
 
Use the right encoding???
 
& ?
 
Ron
3:14 PM
Haha. You managed guys.
@Olaf and I invite you to explore the wonderful world of native languages followed by a main course of silicon with a dash of phosphorus.
To spice things up.
Aka 046 aka 100110, take your pick.
 
@Ron In the PHP room, arsenic is the preferred dopant.
 
Ron
Haha
 
@MartinJames Rumours are alcohol is most common. But I think it is sugar.
 
Ron
Was fun while it lasted.
 
@Ron Then I go for a hundreth of a dollar...
 
3:22 PM
@Ron Which endianess? Encoding? Modulation?
 
Ron
Wth is a modulation?
Let's not get personal ;)
@Olaf Little endianess because Intel.
 
@Ron Haven't you thought about working in embedded? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation
 
Ron
@Olaf I gave up on that. C++ software development is what interests me.
 
@Ron That's not a contradiction.
 
Ron
@Olaf I think I will pursue some kind of embedded development coupled with automation as a hobby.
@Olaf Or if you need an apprentice I might reconsider that decision. ;) Say how can I stalk you on LinkedIn or similar? One always benefits from connections. Or so they say on that site.
 
3:33 PM
I'm not on that site. I prefer mouth-to ear promotion.
 
Ron
Something I am seriously considering myself.
 
@Ron Problem is, I could use a good coder, but on embedded, as you know I prefer C, on PC Python. Additionally, for my own projects, I can't pay anything as long they don't pay me.
 
4:13 PM
@Olaf yeah but rules are rules. If you can't comment,then don't. all answers should be deleted.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre @Jean-FrançoisFabre: It would be helpful if you referenced the post you reply to. Said that, where did I say otherwise? It was exactly my point, wasn't it?
 
@Olaf @Olaf yes, no arguing with you at all. the post was helpful, but was deleted. Now time to delete the accepted answer that is really crap: stackoverflow.com/questions/43279861/…
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'm way ahead of you. Maybe you check my posts here, I already asked how to handle the accepted answer, as it is too old for VLQ tag. As I did not get a helpful reply, I mod-flagged and explained. Still waiting for a mod
 
Ron
@Olaf If you ever decide to add one special operator to that language, hit me up.
 
@Ron Context??
 
Ron
4:23 PM
@Olaf This one.
 
@Ron I still don't see what you mean with "special operator". I'm currently not thinking about writing/modifying a C compiler.
 
Ron
++
@KenWhite What's latest in the Delphi realm?
 
@Olaf that makes 2 of us. 2 downvotes & 2 flags. Sounds bad for this answer
 
@Ron C already has a ++ operator. I don't see it is missing.
 
Ron
@Olaf I C...
Did some indoor exercise, hurt my knee.
Moral of the story: don't exercise.
 
 
2 hours later…
6:21 PM
sigh :/
@Olaf I've got some c questions to close there ^
 
6:32 PM
@AnttiHaapala Worked on them. Homework season :-(
 
Sun Sep 8811 21:32:29 EEST 1993
@Olaf homework season indeed: stackoverflow.com/questions/46758509/… this question got 2 upvotes?!
 
6:50 PM
@AnttiHaapala yes, that homework is due for me tomorrow, so I was glad someone asked it so I can copy-paste learn from it.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:14 PM
anyone here?
 
 
1 hour later…
9:27 PM
@LW001 Can't close as dupe. Target question has no upvoted answers.
 
@LW001 We can vote to close the one which is images of code and error (no MCVE). Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about the fact those are duplicates, other than flag for moderator attention. The questions are not by the same user and neither has an answer which is upvoted or accepted. Thus, the only thing that can be done about the fact they are duplicates is flag.
 
10:14 PM
@EJoshuaS This is a duplicate request. It was requested by you here (less than an hour ago).
 
@Makyen Well that's... embarassing. So it would seem.
@Makyen I swear that wasn't deliberate.
 
10:55 PM
Aaaaaaaaagggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I want to massacre all profs/TA.
 
@Ron Nothing new lately. No new release since Tokyo 10.2 a few months ago.
 
11:13 PM
@EJoshuaS If you really hate that question so much, I'll contribute a delete vote:)
 
@MartinJames Well, the question is pretty terrible - it'll Roomba anyway, though
 
@EJoshuaS I had some delv left over.
 
I just got vote to delete rights on Lit.SE, kinda fun to have.
 
11:29 PM
@EJoshuaS LOL, kinda like burning books:)
If there is an 'SEO for Dummies' book, can you burn that too?
 
@Makyen SCCM deployment is not really 'networking or server' topicality, just general software stuff. But that question is too broad for superuser IMO so I voted to close it as Too Broad
 
11:49 PM
@TylerH I'm fine any way you want to do it. While I'm not that familiar with SCCM, the tag wiki states very clearly that it's "a systems management software product ... for managing large groups of Windows-based computer systems" which appears to fit Server Fault's on-topic page. Server Fault has a moderately active SCCM tag, which the tag wiki here on SO explicitly directs people to use.
 

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