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user3956566
12:13 AM
@Olaf erm yeh ... :D
 
Ron
12:32 AM
Hello world!
Someone should close this one because it is unclear what the question is.
 
user177800
@rene the person posted a bunch of code with lots and lots of "typo's" that they claimed were "copy/paste" errors. I had a comment that said. How do you copy paste UpperCamelCase to lower_snake_case? That comment has since been removed and the code has been changed, still crappy no-effort question in my opinion.
 
@YvetteColomb Did that actually work here? Thought you could only report SO in here
 
user3956566
12:52 AM
@Machavity oh - that was a script. hmmmm should have a look at that
 
7:01 AM
@JarrodRoberson yeah, no problem. I offered similar advice on their meta post and in the end as it was re-opened I flagged to have the comments removed. Let's move on.
 
7:20 AM
Hello all
 
 
2 hours later…
9:42 AM
I have a feeling this question is too broad: stackoverflow.com/questions/46629637/…
 
9:56 AM
@user0042 There is someting 'off' about it. It's like a state-machine without an actual state stored. The comments about threads etc are not helping much, IMHO:(
 
@MartinJames As others mentioned it's in fact about co-routines. That requires using some HW interrupt or similar.
 
@user0042 There's still something wrong with it. If the OP wants a byte-by-byte state-machine to handle a stream of input bytes, it should be in the interrupt-handler/driver itself. Signaling a thread for every byte is hugely wasteful, in general.
 
@MartinJames Yeah, I thought of the same.
 
I shoud stay away from it - I dont understand it;)
 
10:25 AM
@Zoe throttle back a bit ... we don't want the whole android tag in here ;)
 
Zoe
Wouldn't surprise me if it ended up like that xD
 
:D
 
Zoe
Used probably 30 close votes so far today (lost track)
Only on the Android tag
 
yeah, some tags really could use more active close voters.
 
Zoe
Yup
 
10:29 AM
@rene I'd vote for more c++ programmers doing so :D
 
@rene If I go to Android, I too will end up with no votes by lunchtime;(
 
Zoe
^
 
^
 
Zoe
I have been reviewing for 3 hours and I have used 29 votes so far. The Android tag is one of the tags with way too many LQ questions
 
@MartinJames end up with no up votes by lunch time. Sounds reasonable ...
 
10:31 AM
@Zoe Not that much homework questions though, no?
 
Zoe
Eh, varies
 
@Zoe I sympathize, but I can get rid of all my votes with C, C++, mutithreading without resorting to Android:)
 
Zoe
Some times more, other times less
 
@rene LOL, upvotes..
 
Zoe
@MartinJames My days go to the android and android-studio tag. Close votes on the Android tag and removing the AS tag from questions that use it wrong. Most of the votes go on the Android tag, you need 3 tags to burn through them all ;)
 
10:33 AM
My upvote button looks kind of shriveled :P
 
@user0042 Oh, you mean lack of use:)
 
@MartinJames Sure ...
 
@Zoe mind not posting every question you find close-worthy in here? The last 9 requests have been from you, and @rene has already asked you not to flood here.
 
@Adriaan It's a problem, in that the questions are close-worthy. The last one quickly turned into GTC: 'i don't understand, how can i do that. Give me example pls':(
 
@Zoe Here's another one, look: stackoverflow.com/questions/46630200/… It even interferes with my fav tag.
 
Zoe
10:47 AM
Voted to close on that one
 
@user0042 I don't understand what we are supposed to do with such issues? The OP's have all the code, environment, files, compiler, linker etc etc and they want us to fix their problems using some text in a post;(
 
@MartinJames We're the gods of crystal balls, didn't you know that?
 
Zoe
@MartinJames You close it as off-topic under no MCVE
 
Ron
Sup?
 
@Ron ?
 
Ron
10:56 AM
@user0042 That's modern talk greybeard.
;)
Or so I was told.
 
@Ron I've got a number of interpretations ...
 
Ron
Short of "What is up?".
 
@Zoe I did so, but it's just so annoying that an, aparrently, skilled developer would post such a thing.
@user0042 Waassuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup?
 
@Ron Ah, even shorter than Sheldon Coopers version (that was one of my interpretation options)
 
Ron
@user0042 Urban dictionary has got you covered.
How are you all feeling on this glorious Sunday afternoon if around CEST?
 
10:59 AM
@Ron Since urban dictionary didn't cover my concerns about "Nice Shoes", I don't consult it anymore :-/
 
Zoe
@MartinJames You get used to it. The Android tag is filled with even 1k and 2k users who do the same mistakes as 1 rep users
 
@Ron Has UD got an entry for SO? 'Free homework service' or summat?
 
Ron
@MartinJames Not sure, I stopped visiting some years ago.
@MartinJames Maybe they have something on help vampirism.
 
@Ron There may be more new stuff 'cos of the new Blade movie:)
 
Ron
Haha, true.
 
11:04 AM
@MartinJames Hey, you're citing him. That's nice :)
^ I changed my mind. Some RO may be so kind to remove this request.
 
11:20 AM
@user0042 I don't understand the OP's requirement anyway. If it wants to call different member functions, it can use different subclasses and instances.
I mean, was all that 'inheritance and polymorphism' stuff just publicity? Like modules? :)
 
@MartinJames OP thought too short ...
 
Ron
@MartinJames Poly-carbonate ;)
 
@Ron I'm stuck with that now, aren't I? :(
 
Ron
@MartinJames No, no. Just my lack of Nescafe.
 
@Ron I'm ashamed that I could not quickly think of a corruptioin for 'inheritance':)
 
Ron
11:26 AM
@MartinJames "Glorified C" seems to fit the bill these days.
Or so I heard.
 
Q: Can't c++ made be simpler and idiot proof? A: No, it would loose all these useful features.
 
Ron
@MartinJames I've given up on my Embedded C Developer wanna be position.
C++ all the way.
 
@user0042 It's even more annoying where there is an actual good use for inheritance and poly.. whatever, but developers don't use them. Function pointers? WTF?
 
Ron
@user0042 True. I've only recently discovered this. <algorithm> is packed with treats.
 
@MartinJames I'm a lazy lambda programmer :) Even Delphi supports that well ...
 
Ron
11:29 AM
@MartinJames Things get even stranger with the member function pointers.
 
Lambada - the forbidden design-pattern.
 
@MartinJames Only for puritans. I can well get off with the sexiness :D
 
Ron
@MartinJames For me it is now very hard to switch to C since I started with C++. Impossible, that is.
What also strikes me is that there isn't that much elegant code with latest features in industry.
 
@Ron Yup - once you go OO, there's no way back, (or there shouldn't be - that 'function pointer' OP is trying:).
 
Ron
@MartinJames On the other hand I couldn't possibly use Java.
 
11:35 AM
@Martin To be clear: I hate those dedicated functional programming languages like Lisp, F#, Scala, etc. But using lambda expressions in typed languages is a big step forward, especially if you're going to do asynchronous stuff and closures.
 
In C interop, calling a DLL, or somethng, OK, fine, but otherwise, I've never used an exlicit function pointer in C++, (or Delphi). Method pointers, like TNotifyEvent sure.
 
@Ron You can do proper OOP coding with c. It's just slightly harder (to invent function names)
 
Ron
@user0042 Or reinvent it all over again. I can't be bothered to wire structs and reinvent wheels. C++ has all the right wheels.
I get why low level embedded realm loves C. I just wonder why they bother with it when they can use ASM instead.
 
@Ron Oh boy. You have no clue how many times we're meeting reinvented wheels in C++. They're trying square wheels, hexagon wheels and even 1D line wheels (only two points to touch ground). :P
 
Ron
@user0042 To me, C++ has just the right balance of nastiness and elegance.
Watching them collide is a spectacle.
 
11:45 AM
There's no such thing like "competitive programming". All bogus, no benefit, bad behaviors teaching machines. — user0042 24 secs ago
Hey @Baum is on and doesn't say hello here?
 
@JohnDvorak Ewwwww!! A codegolf room:(
 
@JohnDvorak Fine, code golf doesn't have any significance in software industry. I prefer to play backgammon BTW.
 
... I'm outta here
 
@JohnDvorak Make sure you use the right door, else who knows what forsaken room you might end up in;(
 
Ron
12:26 PM
*rooms sponsored by Academia Inc. All rights reserved.
Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Morgan James, such underrated artists.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:41 PM
@user0042 How? You just should not have answered, your comments are fine. Looks like another bad interface concept to me. Aka XY problem.
 
1:56 PM
@Olaf "I'll pick the very worst possible design and try to implement that"
 
@MartinJames Looks like a C beginner trying to use C techniques in C++ (whereas I'd not use what he seems to try in C either). Not understood OOP.
 
@Olaf That's what I got, yes;(
 
Zoe
2:33 PM
I'm out of votes. Cya all tomorrow
 
Ron
o/
 
/me does a double take which room he's in... - yup it's SOCVR... hey @Zoe...
 
Plop Jon
Lost again I see
 
@rene that guy came up with quite a nifty query actually... still not sure what on earth he can do with the findings that's productive...
@Paul oh hello person that says plop that isn't spearrel any more :*(
 
Again, I just need your birthday date
Or even the month =p
 
2:36 PM
Today - my birthday is always today :)
 
I'm sorry, I don't understand that
 
@JonClements yeah, I saw and wondering how that works out. Maybe it makes the Python community switch back to the hyphen site ....
 
Uh oh... think I broke the Paul bot... :p
 
3:05 PM
Homeworkers get even more lazy. There is not even a language.
 
@Olaf Great comment tho
 
@PaulStenne Well, "lazy homeworkers" would fit here, but there is always the rudeness-police.
 
Indeed.
 
@MartinJames Did you cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/46611561/… already?
 
@Olaf Oh yes. Stupid homework, if OP wants to run 'process twice' serially, just make just two calls in main().
 
3:17 PM
@MartinJames Seeing such homework, I always wonder if the profs ever wrote any actual, useful program at all, or why else they don't have real-world examples.
 
@Olaf Prolly out of some CS book, (one that needs gasoline and a match).
 
Ron
3:45 PM
@user0042 I am reluctant to install third party browser add-ons but looks like I will have to eventually.
This one can be trusted :)
 
@Ron You don't need to do so, simply type it [tag:cv-pls]
 
4:07 PM
@Ron There is a booklet I use which generates the text for copy/paste; no need for a full-size script (my browser can't use the scripts anyway).
 
One of the reasons I prefer to install the english language versions of my toolchain/IDE is that it's easier to find error messages they throw. — user0042 38 secs ago
 
@user0042 The English language and traditions have a proud history there. The Domesday Book, (1086 AD), is widely reported as a census written in colloquial Latin, but is actually a list of error messages from the first Borland Turbo-C compiler.
 
@MartinJames LOL!
 
 
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Ron
5:29 PM
@user0042 @Olaf noted, thanks.
@Olaf Eer, where can I find that booklet thingy?
 
@Ron Bookmarklet, sorry, typo. IIRC, it was in the github where the script is, too. It was pasted (or linked?) some time ago here. Maybe you check the chat info page?
 
Ron
@Makyen Many thanks.
 
@Makyen Thanks, I'm not good at remembering such things ;-)
 
@Olaf I updated the SOCVR tools page to have a link. So, I got there by clicking on the socvr.org link in the top-right of this chat page, then the tools link in the header, then scanning down to the available as a bookmarklet link.
 
5:40 PM
@Makyen Ehm, thanks. I'm pretty sure I will remember to check socvr.org and normally I'll figure it out if it is reachable through links from there in any way.
 
Ron
Just to make sure, I should both flag the post and utilize this tool to pipe it in here?
Using the tool alone doesn't somehow magically flag the post, right?
With a bookmarklet that is.
 
@Olaf The update was quite recent, so there's no reason for you to have known that it had changed.
 
@Ron No, this would require you have still flags to give away ...
 
@Ron Neither the userscript, nor the bookmarklet, will automatically flag/close-vote the question. With the userscript you have the option to check a checkbox in the close-vote-dialog to also send a cv-pls.
 
Ron
I see. Thanks.
 
5:54 PM
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Q: Should [unhandled] be handled by [exception-handling]?

Thomas WellerThe unhandled has 127 questions and 3 followers (I am one). 78 of those questions also have exception. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Yes, it describes the content of the question. Yes, it's unambiguous to me. Is the conc...

 
Ron
What's the formal way of retracting the cv-pls above if one decides so?
If any.
Do I just say scratch that or are things more involved?
 
@Ron Ping at least one RO stating that you'd like it removed (link to your request, so they can find it). You can find the list of RO's on the info page sorted with the ones who have most recently posted a message at the left-top.
 
Ron
@Makyen I see.
Thanks.
 
@Ron, If no RO has recently been in the room, then it's usually a good idea to look at each RO's graph of when they are usually in the room and pick at least one who is normally in the room at the time, or would normally be in the room in the least time. In this case, basically all active ROs are normally in the room at this time of day
 
Ron
@Makyen I see. Appreciate it.
@rene Please disregard this cv request of mine.
 
6:13 PM
 
Ron
That was quick. Kudos to you.
 
I happen to be lurking ...
 
/OT "guys" You're actively offending all of the gals hanging around here. Mind your wording please! — user0042 47 secs ago
^ Off-topic as unclear, TB BTW.
 
6:31 PM
@EJoshuaS If I knew only those four, I guess my next step woud involve a firearm, poison or a tall building.
 
Yep - the PHP bit makes it even worse.
ColdFusion was bad enough - I'm still vaguely traumatized by it 9 years later
 
@EJoshuaS Was this supposed to be a del-pls?
 
Yes
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Happily spent my last close vote for today :P
 
I'm getting there myself
 
6:41 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels I was just waiting for something worthy ....
 
Ron
Can a high rep user be Q/A banned?
Or are they exempt from that one?
 
@Ron Unlikely, but yes.
 
@Ron SO will not reveal the algo:(
 
Ron
So if over time you accumulate enough downvotes you can potentially get banned?
Nasty...
 
@Ron yes, they can certainly be banned
 
Ron
6:46 PM
I see...
 
@Ron: understand that there are different types of bans including answer bans, which I'm not likely to get, and also question bans, which I'm at risk of one day possibly getting.
I've gotten quite a few revenge DV's on my few questions
 
Ron
@HovercraftFullOfEels I see. Chilling feature.
 
@Ron I believe it's not depending so much on accumulation of existing stuff, but frequently posting bad questions or answers.
 
Ron
@user0042 That's what I was wondering. It would seem unfair to be based on accumulation only.
 
@Ron I guess it depends.. I have five questions, but half are downvoted, (some dv, for sure, due to revenge). OTOH, I have 20K+ rep. I would be annoyed if I got banned for the Q. downvotes.
 
6:49 PM
@Ron I think the algo is intelligent enough to catch frequently posting VLQ.
 
@Ron Assuming you're talking about the automatic Q or A bans. It's unlikely. It depends on if they match the unstated criteria. However, there are a number of users who have high rep for asking questions early in SO's history, but which repeatedly ask bad (downvoted/closed/deleted) questions. Unfortunately, it takes quite a bit to counteract the large positives which got them their high reputation.
 
@Makyen Well, one can be banned by simply telling the truth here (manually by mods), because the truth isn't considered being nice. :P
 
Ron
I just hope that Q/A sword is held by more than one hair of a horse's tail.
 
@user0042 There are usually many truths. The acceptability of any particular truth will often depend on how you express it.
 
@Ron I'd not rely too much upon horse tails.
@Makyen Sure.
 
Ron
6:59 PM
With that Q and A ban in place it is becoming increasingly difficult for the newcomers to find their way under the sun. Especially when it's all dupes these days.
Or so I feel.
 
@Makyen That reminds me of a question I had: is there a way to ping any RO (something like @RO or so? looks like the least invasive way to me.
 
@Ron Yes, refrain to answer c++ questions. Most of them are covered well already.
 
Ron
@user0042 Haha, I will for the next 5 minutes.
 
@Ron All they have to do is what one should do when joining a new online community: read the documentation which describes what's expected of users (and lurk a bit to get a feel for what's going on). The fact that they are too self-centered to bother trying to understand what's required prior to posting a question is something which a question ban should give them time to figure out.
 
@Olaf On the odd occasion when I've posted something here that I should not, I've just sorta posted 'Will some RO please delete my linked entry - mistake'. It gets done, sooner or later.
 
7:03 PM
@Ron AFAIK the ban is mostly to low-rep users. Once you have a certain amount, it should be hard to get a ban. Why do you ask, do you intend to ask a lot of bad questions?
 
Ron
@Makyen You raise a valid point.
@Olaf Not intentionally.
 
@MartinJames Justr by chance, I assume. Unless the ROs have some script running which filter this (if not: maybe that would be a way)
 
@Olaf Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge, there's no way to establish ping-groups. It would be quite convenient, particularly for being able to ping all RO's and have the ping dismissed by the first one to respond.
 
@Ron I'm still wondering how I managed to achieve my +4k rep within the recent quarter :P
 
@MartinJames I wonder why he uses a high-level language at all? stackoverflow.com/questions/46630214/…
@Makyen Shouldn't a script be able to handle this somehow? Not sure if the ROs all have them running (or want to have them running), though. Or maybe a bot. Just some idea.
 
7:10 PM
@Olaf LOL, rows of filament lamps, '0/1' switches and huge 'LOAD', 'STORE' spring-loaded toggles.
 
@MartinJames I had the Altair in mind. Or my first computer, although that one already had a hex hexboard plus 7 command keys and 8 7-segment LEDs for output.
 
@Olaf Heh - at my job in Scotland, they had these 19" racks with a 12-bit, (three 4-bit slices), CPU, complete with the lamps and switches on the front panel. 21 words of instruction had to be manually input to get it to boot from the DEC-style 'flying saucer' 5MB disk pack.
 
@Olaf It would certainly be possible to have a userscript or bot which watched messages and pings a list of users, or pings the user running the script when a particular @foo is posted. Communicating that such has been handled by one to dismiss it for all, would require specific posts in the room, an alternate room, or some other method of communicating between users. User scripts don't automatically grant the ability to communicate between users; there would need to be some intermediary.
 
@Makyen Yes, that's the point. How about clearing the flag if the original ping is answered? That whould not require an additional message, nor another room, etc.
So something like "@Makyen: how do you do" would set a flag (not a SO-flag flag;) for every RO (and store the message-id). Once you answer that (with that message-id), the flag is cleared.
 
Ron
I am off to movies. Take care everyone. Was a pleasure talking to you.
 
7:23 PM
@Ron Yes, see you next year!
 
Ron
I am back, the movie was called: "Gone in Sixty Seconds".
 
@SardarUsama Well, maybe his "last mile" is too long. (Or caps-lock broken).
 
Ron
@Olaf Next year?
 
@Ron A friend of mine played the Minute-Waltz in 45 seconds.
 
@Olaf If you mean the original message is replied-to, then that is one of the methods I was grouping in "specific posts", but was also intending to encompass being able to dismiss it without needing to reply (e.g. someone repeatedly pinging ROs for inappropriate reasons with the ROs able to dismiss it by moving the message to a different room, which, now that I think about it, is something you can detect separately, as each such message moved is broadcast to everyone viewing the chat room).
 
7:27 PM
@Ron If only the shouting questin above was the same.
 
@Ron You sounded like you go on a longer trip.
@Makyen Yes, that would require re-inventing IRC ;-)
 
Ron
@Olaf Haha, hopefully soon.
 
@MartinJames: IoSOCVR: "IRC over SOCVR"
 
Ron
@MartinJames During my previous SO reincarnation I took the capitalization problem to meta.
 
@Olaf I usually play things in that amount of time. When I watch videos, I almost always watch at 1.5x or 2x speed. I've gotten so used to it that I find watching things at 1x speed to be sloooow.
 
Ron
7:29 PM
It was so hard on the eyes and mind not to see a single uppercase letter in a post.
 
@Ron Well, the one above had lower case in the title. KB must have broken at just the wrong moment:(
 
Ron
Would really like to see a new Blade Runner but the darn theater only has a 3D version.
 
@Makyen Yes, the blockbuster movies of the last years can indeed be reduced to less than a minute: "Hello" - boom, " kick me" - "kick you" - boom (even larger). End.
But a good movie is worth the time.
 
Ron
@Olaf I can recommend Criterion editions. Remastered and glorious.
 
7:35 PM
@Ron Yes, that is pretty rude. Visually and from the contents.
@Ron Yeah, I prefer 4D, too. After all a still image is not really nice, nevermind if it is 3D or 2D. But the time-dimension is vital).
 
Ron
I feel slight discomfort from that quasi 3D technology.
 
@SardarUsama "General HW/SW" as long there is no actual programming context, but just library installation.
@Ron They don't make Transformers, Siderman, and whatsoever not a bit better.
@Ron (hint: read my post again and then think every movie has 3 dimensions: 1,2,4 ;-)
Hmm, must be sunday night, lazy late homeworkers incoming.
 
7:53 PM
@Makyen is there any script or something that makes that format with tags and complete question name , poster's name, date and time?
 
@SardarUsama Yep. There is the SO Close Vote Request Generator (GitHub) (install).
 
@Makyen thanks
 
@SardarUsama It's one of our userscripts.
 
8:56 PM
Anyone has experience with Toshiba x300 or n300 HDDs? I'm looking for a cheap, but reliable backup storage
 
 
1 hour later…
9:58 PM
@MartinJames a = c; etc ?? Typo.
 
@Olaf Oh, code has arrived - and the question has moved on to another level of fail:(
@Olaf I guess typo, yes. That, and not knowing how assignments work, but no close-reason for that.
 
@MartinJames "I'm sort of behind in my CS 100 class and having trouble preparing for the exam." - I love those.
 
@Olaf Yeah - it's gotta go.
 
@MartinJames It is. "typo".
 
10:58 PM
Ehm, could a RO please remove chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/39508492#39508492 , I reposted the request by accident.
 
Why do we even have that tag?
 
11:48 PM
'Why did you tag C anc C++'.... 'i am just watching some certain course videos and i wasnt sure what the language exactly'. Great. Now questions from OP's with code in languages they don't know the name of.
 

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