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@user0042 Indeed. So what does a native speaker only using simple structure with bad grammar, incomplete sentences and simple statements tell us about that person?
@Olaf So do technical languages. We can talk about peer to peer from (maybe several) abstraction levels. It might not matter much if we use weird pidgin (C) or over-sophisticated stuff like C++ or ADA for implementation of these concepts ;-)
@user0042: hello?
@HovercraftFullOfEels I'm just another user from the constantly flowing stream ;-)
@user0042 Unless it was the first language (of any kind) you learned as a child, your mind structures have already been set up by the human language you learned first. That's why I explicitly used (native speakers). It might be interesting how this very first language influences the choice of programming languages. But that would require you are free to choose - most rarely true.
To weaken this a bit: It is not only the first, language, but all you learned before puberty actually.
@Olaf I'm not sure how hindi should influence that worse than any other native language. :/
00:15
@user0042 I'm not sure I understand that. Where did I mention Hindi?
@Olaf Because of some silly observations I mentioned it :P
Sorry if there are more typos than usually, I have terrible headaches.
@user0042 We might have made similar observations ;-)
@Olaf It's their teaching culture mainly I believe. Not the language per se.
@user0042 That came into mind, yes. Similar to certain "slang".
@Olaf Hindi is in fact a language that allows you to express some quite abstract things in very few words. English doesn't serve that well, especially not when translated word by word.
00:21
@user0042 Isn't that true for most languages? How would you translate "Zipfiklatscher"?
Hmm, one translation is on Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper
@Olaf "Donald J. Trump" of course. That's the best translation you can give from the currently running context ;-)
@user0042 That's already used for "Dünnbrettbohrer".
@Olaf There are always Synonyms ... (TBMME for instance)
None that fits as good as "James Clapper". Just consider he's a - well, the German opposite of "Thin".
Well, the current common motto seems to be: "Let's make morons great again!" :P
00:43
@user0042 Was there ever a time it was not?
@Olaf Good point.
@user0042 That's my major character weakness: I tend to have a point.
@Olaf Yes, that's not moronic enough to make you great. I feel with you.
@user0042 My, that was rude. You can't just tell me the truth!
@Olaf Truth isn't actually made for telling, but biting everyone into the ass.
00:50
@user0042 So why do I always have to bite my tongue or eat my fist?
@Olaf Because you are a brave guy I believe. In any other case you can backup what you say with a bazooka or even a simple slingshot.
 
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03:00
I'm not sure if this is really a valid close reason:
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because Stack Overflow c++ isn't meant as a replacement of a reference documentaitionuser0042 2 mins ago
Works for me
@user0042 Why not "too broad"? The comments are fine, though.
@Olaf Should work as well, but without the hint for the OP.
@user0042 Lacking research is not, in itself, a close reason. Lacking research is a reason you might choose to down-vote (as is explicitly mentioned in the down-vote tooltip).
@Makyen It used to be a close reason, didn't it?
03:07
@Makyen Yes and the usual follow up CV reason is TB.
@EJoshuaS I'm not sure.
"Lacks minimal understanding" or something like that.
@user0042 Being too broad is (of course) a valid close reason. If it's believed this question is too broad, then that should be the close reason used in a cv-pls.
@EJoshuaS IIRC, yes, that used to be a close reason.
@Makyen Well, at least that's nicer and more useful than to respond with RTFM.
@user0042 I'm not sure what good it would do them to read the fine manual (see stared message on the star board).
 
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04:41
Actually, the tag is just terrible - was just filtering on it in the CV queue, all sorts of terrible, off-topic questions.
Almost 57,000 questions, so it's probably too big for a burnination.
 
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08:30
hi o/
 
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Ron
Ron
10:30
@NobodyNada Sup Nada?
11:10
At least we know how to drive a F1 car ....
11:50
@rene Being able to drive extremely fast in a circle in a few places in the world is an envious ability :)
@JonClements F1 tracks are not circular, unlike that boring US rubbish.
@Martin well... not strictly circular... but still a 3 mile or so single track loop...
12:09
@SardarUsama LOL, 'MarketSize', too focused on their business plan to get an actual working product:)
12:29
happy new quarter everybody (He says with much sarcasm)
o/
\o
12:57
I have no idea how the accepted answer actually answers this question
@Machavity Ask the OP ;)
 
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14:16
@Ron o/ it's 7:15 ok Sunday here, which means I just woke up and it's time to get ready for church. How are you?
@Fire status
14:52
^ The suggested edit is also far from being complete...
15:10
Am I the only one who is seeing an animated avatar here? Has this been changed to status-completed then?
@rene I once had this when my energy-saver lamp failed and flickered. None of the avatars are animated in my browser.
@HovercraftFullOfEels Can you please review this for dupe? (See my comment for dupe link.) I voted something else while I was on my phone, and now I have a potential dupe.
15:42
@Olaf Prolly @rene using Chrome. The animation is the memory it's eaten, trying to escape.
@FireAlarm status
@SardarUsama Don't know matlab; what's with the 'ii' all over the place - it looks terribru.
15:58
@MartinJames We don't like i and j as variable names. Personally I also don't like ii and jj. I prefer to use k
@SardarUsama I thought it might be some matlab convention.
..but no. it's just the usual 'can't be bothered to use meaningful var names because it's extra typing for me and I dont care if the code is confusing for you SO drones, after all, I'm not the one doing my debugging works order'
Ron
Ron
o/
@NobodyNada Good, good. I thought it was a bit early across the pond.
@MartinJames lol, but usually people use i and j as loop variables in other languages, right? so some MATLAB users take ii and jj as their alternatives.
Just from the titles, there are some questions that shoud never be opened. Here's mine for today: 'Recursive fibonacci using message queues for interprocess communication'
Ron
Ron
@MartinJames Haha, nice one.
16:06
@SardarUsama I've nothing against devs using single-letter var names, as long as they never post their code to SO and always do their own debugging and maintenance.
Ron
Ron
runs away to correct his single-letter variables
Ron
Ron
Single-letter vars are fine for loop statements imho, namely i and j. But then again most loops in C++ can be replaced with adequate STL algorithm function.
But I agree with Martin, ii is a bit odd.
@Ron I also agree with that though :P
16:23
What is this? Doesn't look healthy to me: stackoverflow.com/q/46514344/758133
@MartinJames no mcve
@SardarUsama Ok, done - I didn't want to click on that link:(
Ron
Ron
@MartinJames Given your reaction I will refrain from clicking on it.
17:32
@SotiriosDelimanolis This question was in NATO. Looks like it might be No MCVE but can't be sure. Can you check it out?
@Machavity What's NATO?
I think the question is fine.
18:37
@Olaf I was on a laptop when I noticed. Now no-repro, still on chrome/win 10. Maybe I should stop drinking ...
^^^ fire alarm is great at finding garbage
18:55
@rene Maybe you should stop using Chrome :)
Yeah! So I can keep drinking?
@SotiriosDelimanolis 'Any library in Android' is that the shortest yet?
@rene That too:)
@MartinJames at least it is not see title
19:19
Well
One corrupted EFI partition later, I am finally back
Plop everyone!
@PaulStenne Plop!
How's Romania?
Not good for partitions ...
So far it's amazing
Timisoara is such a weird city
Beautiful buildings next to ruins
Great food and great teas
So far it's been mostly sight-seeing and exploring the city
I start school tomorrow
@PaulStenne sounds like fun!
Did you already try the 2L PET bottles of beer?
@PaulStenne Taramasalata?
19:33
Good idea to have him ruin a couple of more brain cells ....
PET beer? Rubbing alcohol?
@MartinJames wat is?
@Adriaan It should be
So far it's been quite crazy
Ron
Ron
Seriously, don't drink beer from a 2L bottle.
@Ron the La Chouffe anniversary bottle is 1.5L, and is just 1.5L of Chouffe. A 2L bottle of that wont be bad. The correct way of phrasing that is thus, in my opinion, Don't drink beer from a 2L PET-bottle.
Ron
Ron
True. PET-bottle is what I had in mind.
Stick to Heineken.
19:52
@Ron I sincerely hope that this is a joke with a lot of sarcasm
stackoverflow.com/a/46516263 is an advert, user profile shows association with the site though answer does not reflect that. I have no flags left
Ron
Ron
@Adriaan Which one? The Heineken part?
@Ron yes
Ron
Ron
@Adriaan Take it from an ex heavy drinker. Just stick with Heineken and your mind and body will not suffer that much.
Or give up drinking completely as I have.
All those years wasted with alcohol. When I could have been exploring C++ idioms and theory instead.
Blègh, Heineken. It's just weak urine, extracted from the Amsterdam canals
20:11
@Adriaan I wish I had a 1.5L bottle of Chouffe
20:29
Is this on-topic? It's surely not C, more like CS: stackoverflow.com/q/46516294/758133
@Adriaan The last Heineken I tried was just a small one in some station pub in Eindhoven. I left most of it on top of the fruit machine and went out to wait for my train on the platform, in case I threw up).
@MartinJames sounds like a reasonable reaction
@Adriaan It was worrying. The train rocked about a lot, then I had to get on a ferry across North Sea. Somehow, nothing embarrassing happened.
@MartinJames Somehow, nothing embarrassing happened. - Well, that's embarrasing...
lol, it's not one of my better stories, yes.
20:48
Ok, need to get some sleep. Bye! \o
21:00
Guys, do you know any SE community to be proper for asking such a question?
> How to handle a lovely emotion on failure?
@MartinAJ You mean you got out of a job just before it was cancelled as a total fiasco?
@MartinJames not sure what you mean, but I'm talking about having a really tough time because of experiencing a broke up
@MartinAJ Oh.. personal, not work-related, No - not going near that, sorry;(
21:41
Well, we can add to the list of lousy tags I think - along with
@MartinAJ There is an interpersonal skills/issues SE site, I don't know much about it though
@EJoshuaS Interpersonal Skills ?
You mean a SE site for questions related to interpersonal issues?
@EJoshuaS I mean is there any community to be proper for this: "I'm experiencing a broke up. It's pretty much hard for me, since I'm involved with it for 20 year. Actually I'm crazy on my cousin (which been my childhood playmate too), Recently I've heard she's dating with someone, and ..."
I don't envy a community that's set out to answer questions like these
Maybe Interpersonal Skills SE? Not sure though, I don't have any experience with them, I'm mostly active on SO, Lit.SE, and Sci Fi SE.
21:53
My guess is that IPS.SE won't like it.
There is nothing you can say to such issues, well, except "wanna beer?".
22:17
Super-Kali-fragile-istic-especially-console-dont-cious
And I'm out of close votes
@HovercraftFullOfEels Done. Wanted to dv too, but out of those.
@MartinJames: thanks. Same. Sunday night HW dump time.
22:47
@HovercraftFullOfEels Does the word "brash" describe the attidude shown in the question and comments properly? I'm stil searching for a fitting term.
22:57
[yes, of course it's linked-list]
23:17
@Olaf: "entitled" is what comes to mind for me
"Chutzpah" as well
@HovercraftFullOfEels Sorry, I can't see this fits in any way. "Chutzpe" would fit, too, but to me it has a too positive connotation.
@Olaf: the definition I always had for Chutzpah is someone who kills his parents and then at his trial asks for mercy from the judge because he's an orphan.
:39408893Not necessarily. As I learned it, it means something between "that gal must be crazy to ask for a favour after she did this to me" and "Wow, I hadn't thought he'll try this again". (If there was a single word to describe it, we wouldn't use that word)
I just could not find any meaning of "entitled" which even comes close to this meaning.

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