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02:37
Is there a UserScript that someone has written that will do "auto close vote URL's" like the auto-comment one? That would be extremely helpful for things like "How to Compare Strings in Java?" and other mind numbing duplicates.
03:33
!!/alive
@NobodyNada You doubt me?
With low-qual "try this" code dump answer
@Fire blacklisted tags
@NobodyNada Unrecognized command blacklisted tags; did you mean blacklist ...?
oh, I thought I had a tag blacklist :/
oh, that was the keyword blacklist that I implemented
04:00
@HovercraftFullOfEels We really are horrid for not doing someone's homework. Far be it from us to expect someone in school to actually do something in order to learn a skill. We're shameful.
@HovercraftFullOfEels From the title, I'd say off-topic. That sounds more like a lawyer's question.
04:27
No roomba
 
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06:54
@FireAlarm No MCVE
@NisargShah Unrecognized command no mcve; did you mean remove ...?
hmm seems like I messed up something there...*hides behind the desk*
@Pang How about that answer?
NAA?
or Spam?
07:12
@NisargShah If the question FireAlarm mentioned should have a cv-pls posted, then it's best to post a cv-pls which is independent of the message from FireAlarm (i.e. not a reply). The reason is that the archiver script the ROs use to move completed requests to the graveyard will, when run, move any FireAlarm notice and any reply to that notice to the graveyard when the FireAlarm notice is more than 30 minutes old. This will happen even if you've done a cv-pls as a reply to FireAlarm.
@Makyen Good to know. Thanks. I won't post a cv-pls for the moment as the OP has added some code already. The question does seem salvageable.
@NisargShah Salvaging a question is always preferable. Particularly so when the OP remains engaged and willing to improve their question.
07:35
@JarrodRoberson I assume you mean for dup-targets, correct? I'm not aware of a user script for that. I've considered making one, but so far the alternate solution I use has kept the pain level low enough so I haven't been motivated to write code :-). What I currently do is: have one of the folders in my bookmark bar is "Duplicate targets" (it's actually a subfolder to my SO folder), which has folders for the tags I commonly work with. Each of those folders then contains a list of common dup-targets.
Thus, when I need a known common duplicate, I just open the bookmark toolbar folder SO➞Duplicate targets➞JavaScript and select, for example, "How do I return the response from an asynchronous call? - Stack Overflow" and copy it (context menu). I then paste the copied URL into the dup-target URL location in the close-vote-dialog. I'm beyond the point where I should separate each of the tag folders into subfolders by more fine grained topics, but I haven't gotten around to doing so, yet.
@YvetteColomb could also qualify as no mcve, given how I can do this using Plotly
@MartinJames now completed
08:05
@NisargShah When posting a cv-pls request, please also include a reason for the request/closure. At a minimum, this can be the reason you chose to vote-to-close. There's a handy user script, (instructions)which will semi-automate posting the request for you.
@Makyen My bad. I do have that userscript, but it failed on me, and I had to type in this one. That one's too broad.
@NisargShah failed? What was the problem?
@Makyen Can't remember exactly, something like "Failed to get room's fkey"
are you running the script in the same browser instance you're now chatting with us?
@rene Yep
08:10
That is strange then
@rene hmm I do know a bit of JS. Will try to debug next time it happens.
@NisargShah Hmmm... OK. That's could be a spurious networking problem. You should try again under those circumstances. But, it does point out that there should be a way in the normal script for the user to obtain the request text when there's a failure like that.
`onerror: function(resp) {
notify('Failed retrieving fkey from chat. (' + resp.status + ')');
}` --> Might be a good idea to post the error details into console, and/or keep key details in localStorage for a while. If debugging is required later on, we can give a `getLogs` button to extract those details.
I can create a pull request if you want that.
make at least an issue on github, so we can track.
08:17
thx
and a PR would be awesome of course
Okay, I'll try.
Yes, that is the best. I'm also always trying, and trying, and trying ....
@rene yes yes... we know you're very trying :p
tiring also
Room seems busier than I remember for Saturday mornings...
08:33
@NisargShah Additional people working on the scripts is great. If you're going to be making substantial changes (i.e. a large number of lines of code changed) to that script, I'd like to coordinate with you. I've been working on a substantial revision of the script for a while, and am a few days from asking people to beta test the changes. However, the changes I've made to that specific section of code haven't been that much.
@NisargShah Had you previously changed the room to which you were sending requests, or was it still on the (unchanged) default SOCVR room?
@Makyen I was rather planning to keep it to minimum. But I will ping you once I am done with the PR.
@Makyen Nope! It has been working fine since the morning, and I haven't changed anything in a while. :)
 
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13:04
@rene Thks, M
14:23
^ OP vandalized the post with "how can I delete?". Had previously deleted/undeleted. Anyone know if that prevents them from just deleting the post now?
@PaulRoub no, they should still be able to do that
 
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16:24
Oh, I totally missed that clicking question is low quality in the H&I queue actually cast a VLQ flag. I assumed it only trained the triage mechanism and/or send the Q back to triage ... :(
Only one declined flag so far ...
Yep, casts a VLQ flag and puts it back in triage to start the cycle all over again. Too bad the devs are to busy making a non universal, universal top bar instead of fixing it.
Any more surprises in the other queues I should be aware of and I might have forgotten by now?
Requires edit actually only means requires edit by the community even though the guidance in the queue says the community or OP
Delete in the LQP consumes a delete vote unless you are out of them, then you can only recommend to delete.
yeah, that was why I wanted it have it out of the H&I queue
Always check for copied content on tag wiki edits
afk
16:35
@NathanOliver that is on my radar, yes. thx
17:20
Anyone here familiar with MathJax? Is the url a formal test server or so? If yes, I rejected that wrongly, if no, we're all good.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre For some reason it's being closed as No MCVE. I think I'll pass.
@rene One, of which I only recently became aware: Editing a question from the close-vote review-queue removes the question from the queue. Editing the question from the question page does not remove it from the review-queue.
awesome ... sort of ...
17:41
@HovercraftFullOfEels we need more cleaning like this...
@rene It means someone could single-handedly clear the CV-queue by editing every question :-). If it was clearly stated that clicking "Edit" in the CV-queue would remove the question from the queue, even if it was just in the tooltip, then I wouldn't have as much much of a problem with it. It's just, there will be people that click "Edit" from the queue just to "improve this question" for relatively minor issues, when the corrections don't make the question on-topic.
I'd like to see some statistics as to what percentage of edits from the CV-queue actually make the question on-topic vs. how many just fix minor errors and inappropriately remove the Q from the queue. Unfortunately, getting such statistics would be difficult, as there's no good way to compare outcomes due to the question no longer being in the queue.
hi o/
@Makyen scary
@Makyen we might have to ask @shog9 to run one his CVQ statistics on the internal SEDE instance. Is there an MSO post already that asks for those stats? if not you might want to prepare one and post it.
18:00
I don't know PHP, but I'm curious. Is the following question clear? The 4 upvotes look strange to me: stackoverflow.com/q/46485935/2675154
@rene I haven't looked for a post asking for such statistics. While I'd be interested in seeing them, I'm concerned as to what conclusions we could draw from any data. Once the Q's out of the queue, it's much less likely to be visited by people who will VtC, and thus actually close the question. Programmatically determining an edit changed the Q from off-topic➞on-topic is...problematic. You could try secondary indicators (e.g. up-votes) indicating that the Q was both visited and good.
18:21
"not a real question" is not a real close reason
@honk Just the way it goes sometimes - no foul play evident there cc/@Hovercraft
baa vlq I guess
@JonClements How is the bot dev going? I saw you where taking on closey
Probably people could install a userscript, that way you avoid to screen scrap all the time
@PetterFriberg oh - 6 - 8? Not done much on it - just digging up the old framework I had... reading the functional requirements or whatever and trying to see if I can slot time in or at least make a decent workable base for others to pick up kind of thing
@JonClements Thanks for looking into it!
@JonClements Thank you Jon.
18:29
Well... one needs to check there isn't a rabbit hiding somewhere, right? :p
There is always a rabbit, the problem is which hat it will jump out of
jrh
jrh
Is the low level tag any good? Maybe it should be burninated? Any thoughts guys/gals?
@jrh To me it's not prio that burn that, I don't think it promotes off-topic questions, which is my main parameter to put in the effort
it's probably just useless
@PetterFriberg or in this case - which case and hopefully one has the Holy Hand Grenade ready...
and let's face it - the counting on that one is a bit awkward to remember :)
@JonClements a ninja puppy always have that ;) together with some smoke bombs to escape quickly.
18:38
@Petter main toy project I have at the moment is a fully loaded SO datadump into a hybrid of neo4j and postgres and elastic
what are you planning to do with that Jon?
got some ML classification running on posts closed as dupes and writing a mini query language
ooh, nice yeah create an api that SE can call to get possibile dupes.
with a bit of NLP
its seems that they are interested in api to call I saw this related to comments (see the user who asked) github.com/conversationai/perspectiveapi/issues/8
18:43
just more an experiment than anything practical...
sorry some problems with ctrl +c :D
won't keep it running long though - 2 x 64gb servers with 1tb SSDs aren't cheap to keep around
@JonClements if you get any nice result create an api and let SE test it (to find dupes and propose to users is hopeless, to many and to few users interested in closing), but to suggest while asking they are probably interested in
oh it's not for that... it's more general :)
more general?, tell me more!
18:46
Just want to write really nice simple queries such as "which answers have rene and petter both commented on that one of them has dupe closed the question to" or something
it this rude enough stackoverflow.com/a/46505945/5292302 to report to smokey?
oh them again... no worries
you ... know a lot of people .... :/
yeah make query find all skeletons of rene, I still remember this comment stackoverflow.com/questions/24532106/… :D
@rene I like conversations with the "good ones" :p
18:53
@PetterFriberg awesome ...
@rene I'm still wondering if it was a user that you comment to or if he was actually serious
Haven't felt like a punching bag today... so no one's doing there thing... who's up for it? :p
@PetterFriberg no, we had a previous encounter
Yeah I imagined, that question seems like a magnet for revenge votes
waffles
;)
waffles
LOL
18:58
:D
... interesting reading in the history of waffles...
leave that hanging in the air for conspiracy theory - best thing ever :p
it sure is
So... we are told that a particular action - flagging a question as VLQ - is almost never a good idea and yet there is a mechanism devised specifically to do exactly that? Wow.
I'm starting to wonder if that is intentional on the devs' part...
@JohnDvorak ?, I'm not following...
19:04
@PetterFriberg I'm referring to the top star
@JohnDvorak That is one way to analyze it and draw conclusions, yes. :)
I think the VLQ flag has transformed over time, probably once it was meant to be what it states :D
But, the cast-a-VLQ-flag option has been added after VLQ flags on questions became deprecated-but-only-for-those-who-read-meta.
And the queues use to be different
19:39
chiling out to some musicals and where my education in history I can actually recognise...
19:56
@HovercraftFullOfEels why linking the answer?
@Braiam ah, thanks.
21:02
Need to sleep. Cya! \o
21:22
hmm...is this off-topic (belongs on CompSci maybe)?
@NobodyNada It is not about programming, so I'd say it is OT. (Is it just me, or is the answer obvious? Thniking before asking seems to be a diminishing virtue)
@HovercraftFullOfEels What makes that even worse is that the OP appears to have created a new account for the purpose. I flagged for moderator intervention.
21:38
@Olaf It looks to me like he thought pretty well before asking; the question looks really well-researched to me
@NobodyNada "How to grill a steak to the point" is alos a good question. With some more information it would be well answerable. However, I don't think it would be on topic here either. For the same reason
@Olaf yeah, I agree that it's off-topic
Left a comment:
I think this question would be a better fit for Computer Science Stack Exchange as it about algorithm complexity and not directly about programming, but be sure to check their help center to make sure your question is on-topic there. — NobodyNada 11 secs ago
Anyone have a "gimme teh codez" question for me to vote to close? ;)
check the backlog ;)
21:54
Gimme teh gimme teh codez questionz ;)
Some SOCVR members get a bit frantic if they hane not run out of votes early. It's a kind of performance anxiety:)
Ron
Ron
Evening.
22:10
@MartinJames Oh, I should stll have my full daily contingent.
\o
Ron
Ron
22:25
Go future.
22:46
@Ron I wonder if anyone of them has done the maths how many rocket launches we needed per day just to keep the Earth population constant. And where they get the resources.
Ron
Ron
They say one can create liquid O2 and NH4 on Mars.
Hi @ron
Hi everyone else o/
Ron
Ron
o/
@Ron And transport back to earth to transport it back into space? Yes, sounds extremely reasonable!
Ron
Ron
Someone please approve this fine edit.
22:55
(I wonder how a spacecraft built only from O, N and H looks like)
Ron
Ron
@Olaf Don't be a party p**per. They run a multi billion dollar business and have landed 30 meter long boosters 16 times now.
Make that 70.
That itself is an amazing achievement in my opinion.
@Ron And I'm hoping as a last resort that one day those spaceships will take off with all of the morons aboard we have around here on earth ;-)
@Ron Well, I can parallel-park my car within some cm close to the pavement. So?
@Ron I'm more iritated they too so long. Interestingly, we are currently not even able to perform a Moon mission without re-inventing all what has been developed for the Apollo missions 50 years ago already. That whole stuff has been lost by the NASA.
@user0042 Even thast is impossible, unless you want to launch some 10 rockets per day with each >1k people. But hey, maybe Musk has plans for a rocket with electric engine in the drawer.
he probably has plans for most ideas one can come up with
@Olaf OKEH, at least as a very, very last resort I'd consider to flee from these morons myself.
23:04
o/
but yeah, a simpler way would be to launch the most relevant people in them rockets
@FélixGagnon-Grenier He's a great bassist, yes :)
@user0042 I think that might be manageable. But then, we would not be amonst them. Too old
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Red Hot Chili Peppers
@Olaf I don't buy that. It's like this exercise in early philosophy class. you are 8 on a boat that is sinking, but only 4 places in the safety boat, whom do you take?
theres a gay guy, an old somen, a pregnant one, and a child
23:06
@FélixGagnon-Grenier After all he is great getting money for his ideas. How … unreflected … they might be (keword: Lyperhoop)
most people answer "we take the pregnant women, the child, and leave the gay person" because repopulating you know.
but that's just wrong. I'd take a gay person to row my life out of that sinking boat over a child anytime
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Myself and someone to handle the rudder. The rest is just ballast.
all the same as I'd take older people, with actual knowledge, with me on a rocket, anytime
@Olaf ;)
@Olaf Yup - take the gay guy, the rest should be easy to throw over the side.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Reasonable. Don't forget to take some alcohol with you as well, to keep them tuned ;-)
23:09
good point ;)
@FélixGagnon-Grenier The compaasion is broken. For the boat, you expect to find other people; no problem about reproduction. For a new planet, you ned people to grow a population. But then: old men can still produce kids. In fact, it would be best to have young women and older men, who alread have kids, i.e. proven their fertility. Plus experience.
Gay or not is irrelevant. No need for actual sex to produce kids.
Ron
Ron
@Olaf Why have you rejected that edit?
@Ron Is the reason not shown? The question tself is OT already, with or without the edit.
@Olaf how relevant ;)
Ron
Ron
@Olaf The edit was fine despite the question being a low quality one.
23:13
@Ron I will not discuss this any further!
@Ron We usually don't edit turds.
You also have to think about where your next meal is coming from. Child - mass too low, dump immediate. The pregnant woman with unborn child has plenty meat so.. yeah - dump the gay guy.
lawl. such new perspectives
@MartinJames I assumed there is enough food for 4 on board already. Should be enough for 2 then. Manager 101: don't eat the worker (unless you can get new, cheaper ones).
And the pregnant… mostly fat and a lot of water. Maybe with nutrients, but I don't like too liquid soup.
23:17
Well, to colonize other planets we probably need to sent a vanguard first :)
Ron
Ron
@user0042 Was watching Space Odyssey again and noticed they still used punched cards.
No AI can beat a good punched card report.
@user0042 I already have problems rationalising with humans. Maybe we should leave that one behind. Must be interesting to see Don Jong Trump discuss with the device.
@Ron Hmm, HAL is made as a big closet containing thousands of modules :P
@Fire alive
Ron
Ron
@user0042 Yep, and cathode tube screens are forever.
23:22
@Ron I don't mind these films are visually outdated since long. After all they do tell a good story. Which almost all modern films massively lackin preference of visual bang-boom.
@Ron After all, the materials should age quite well (if not used). I don't think liquid crystals with their organic structure will do as well.
@Olaf Well, I'm not sure if that strategy would help anyone
And the electronics necessary to drive a CRT are robust enough to stand radiation much better than ICs for an LCD.
@user0042 It will wipe the traces of those who left the planet. And ensure the Trumbos don't follow.
@Olaf "Bomb shut up now! I'm your president and I'll tell you exactly what to do now."
But maybe we just should get an arch and tell the telephone cleaners eartn will be eaten by a giant space-goat.
Oh, wait that did not end well last time …
I'd like to know how the bomb would interpret the command "Shut up!" in particular :D
23:28
@user0042 Depends if I programmed it or someone else
@Olaf ^Same, same :)
Ron
Ron
My my, Python is more popular than html and C++ on SO.
I must be be missing on a good stuff.
@Ron Nah! Not if you like being slowed down by a language and have a high frustration tolerance or even feel turned on by the obstacles a languages puts in your way.
23:44
@Olaf Languages are the key to mind structures and thoughts.
Ron
Ron
@user0042 Indeed so. His introductory books are a terrible way for a beginner to start learning the C++.
@Ron Not all of the geniuses are good teachers at the same time.
Ron
Ron
@user0042 True.
'Night all.
@Ron Good trippin' on your spaceship named brain in dream mode my friend!
Hi @Hover! Are you still in?

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